BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: gnu
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:35 PM

In light of the varied discussions herein, I have a question... in the "Bible' ir in the "Torah", are there any "directives" to kill people of other faiths simply based on their faith?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:30 PM

When the compound was stormed, bin Laden was found in an upstairs room. The troops who found him said that he was using a woman as a shield. They said he was given an opportunity to surrender and come quietly, but instead he reached for a weapon. The troops fired, carefully avoiding hitting the woman, hitting bin Laden twice in the head.

Muslim funeral rituals require that a person who has just died must be buried within twenty-four hours. bin Laden's body was ceremonially washed as is required by Muslim law, and the funeral ceremony was properly conducted by an Imam before he was buried at sea.

Wesley has the right of it. The decision to bury him at sea was in order to avoid his grave, wherever it might have been, from becoming "the shrine of a martyr."

The "birthers," now the "deathers" ("I don't believe it! Where's the body!?"), and all the conspiracy theory squirrel bait out there (and, of course, right here on Mudcat) are going to have a field day. But then, what's new?

A day for celebration? I think not! I felt that all that cheering and flag-waving is quite inappropriate. A feeling of grim satisfaction, yes. But celebrating? Kind of tacky.

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For the person who, whenever Barack Obama appears on television, never fails to say something about his using a teleprompter, as if Obama where incapable of stringing together a cohesive sentence (like Sarah Palin, who, when she starts a sentence in Ohio, it winds up on Mars and contains neither subject nor predicate). Actually, Obama, a very bright man, has, on many occasions, proven himself to be an excellent extemporaneous speaker. The remark, of course, is to try make him out to be some sort of mushy-brained doofus, which he obviously is not.

Profession broadcasters who work before television cameras all the time use teleprompters, and it only makes sense, if one is delivering a formal address on nationwide television, to have one's notes, or for that matter, the entire speech, written out and available on a teleprompter. Before television cameras and telepromters, speakers (FDR, Eisenhower, whoever) during the days of radio, often read their speeches from typed text, or most certainly from outlined notes.

Many popular entertainers use a teleprompter. And before it was invented, entertainers (Andy Williams, other singers, various comedians) had The Words written out in large letters on large cards held by someone standing next to the camera, who carefully changed cards as the song or routine progressed.

So—give it a rest, already!! It just makes YOU look petty and mean-spirited.

That's a friendly tip, by the way.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:29 PM

old dude, agreed. That's why today I am keeping in mind the victims of 911 and their families. I think this brings some closure to them, as it does to the country.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:19 PM

Kendall, I think your point was a good one. I think the problem was in the way you put it.

As I recall it, what Bin Laden said was that he was fighting at that time was the presence of infidels in Saudi Arabia. Though there was a lot of aerial bombardment at the time and Allied troops did cross Iraqi borders while chasing the invasion force out of Kuwait, Iraq was not per se invaded at that time. And I have never heard anything form Bin Laden indicating that he cared at all about Iraq until the GW Bush invasion.

That said, I don't think we could have allowed Saddam to keep Kuwait and to threaten Saudi Arabia just because Bin Laden did not like it. I think that G H W Bush did what he had to. So did Clinton. The major mistakes on this matter were made by W.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: olddude
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:19 PM

Ej
I can completely understand that logic my dear friend, I do ... I will shed no tear for that creep ... I just won't celebrate it ... but I can certainly understand those who do for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: frogprince
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:17 PM

"They hide their cowardice behind bullshit platitudes"

Josepp, you have all the right in the world to disagree with the stance of the people you're speaking of. But you have no justification whatever for linking their position to cowardice, and you are responding to an individual whom you have no justification whatever for marking as cowardly.

                      Dean

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:14 PM

It's called justice, old dude, and I think that's what he got. I am not saying that we don't need to understand his motivations, or deal with the conditions that created him, or examine our own transgressions in the middle east.
Clyde Barrow was raised in an era of great poverty, repression, and injustice in the 30s. So was my Grandfather. The difference is my Grandfather treated people well, worked hard, and scrapped for a living. Clyde Barrow robbed banks and killed people. There is no doubt that a depression is a bad thing and needs to be prevented or eradicated. To do so, we must understand the facts about a depression. But morality, justice, and ethics are primary codes of human behavior, and someone like Clyde barrow, or Bin Laden, should never be excused for his actions, especially when performed on the scale of mass murder.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: olddude
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:38 PM

Look I am a person with military ties in my family back through the ages. I have a deep love and respect for those in uniform. I trained people in uniform.   However, my heart and conscience says revenge is never a good path to take. I have no desire to mourn for that guy, he was pure evil ... my comment was, in order to stop terrorism you have to address the root cause you can't stop it with bullets ... I think that is a logical assumption. Likewise, even in battle, I take no delight in the killing of another. At times it has to be done to protect others, but it is nothing to cheer about I think anyway. My only concern is we did not lose any of our people during the mission.   Bin Laden was evil, but finding out what made him that way and taking steps to stop the creation of another Bin Laden is the proper path ... If it is our policies, or our attitudes or our whatever then we need to address that. There will also be people who just do evil things for no reason .. I know that also .. but celebrating a death no matter who it is , I think is not the right path in life.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:37 PM

Had Ted Bundy been prevented from further serial killing and become only a "cheerleader" for serial killing, or for that matter for the abolition of capital punishment, it wouldn't have made him any more benign or any less deserving of his fate.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:31 PM

Well, he would say that. Can you imagine him saying "It doesn't really make much difference"?

Bin Laden was probably more of a cheerleader than anything. If anything being killed will make him a more effective cheerleader. It's hard to see any way in which it makes it any more likely that the people who share his ideology will give up or be defeated any more quickly because he is dead.

And what on earth are you adopting this Americanised jargon about "libs" for, Keith? Barack Obama is a "lib", in that sense, and so are you.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:30 PM

josepp, better get out the bifocals and look again. The first invasion of Iraq happened in 1991.
Osama also said they hate us for the reasons I already stated.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:28 PM

It may have made things more dangerous id the very short run. In the long run, he is not much of a martyr caught cowering in his million dollar bunker. As for being safer, there is this. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/02/cia-analyze-electronic-evidence-seized-bin-laden-compound/

Fox is reporting a large quantity of valuable information found in the compound. Fox is no friend of the Administration. So there is probably some truth to the report.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: saulgoldie
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:24 PM

This from Andy Borowitz:

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – In what historians are calling an unprecedented development in American politics, both major parties decided today to cancel the 2012 election.

The decision to scrap the 2012 contest came on the heels of a new poll showing President Barack Obama with an approval rating of one hundred percent, believed to be a record high for an American president.

Mr. Obama even polled well among Republicans, with a majority of GOP voters agreeing with the statement, "I no longer care that he wasn't born here."

The new bipartisan spirit sweeping the nation was captured well by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), who tearfully told reporters, "This is a great day for America… oh, leave me alone, goddamn it."

Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump made no official announcement, but sources said he was considering running for Prime Minister of Canada.

The cancellation of the election comes in the aftermath of the death of Osama bin Laden, whose last words reportedly were, "I knew I shouldn't have signed up for Foursquare."

Of all the major news networks, Fox News did not report news of bin Laden's death, saying that it would air cartoons "until further notice."

In Libya, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi issued the following official statement: "Uh-oh."

In North Korea, President Kim Jong-Il said this: "I have lost my last friend on Facebook."

And in Wasilla, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin said this: "We must find and kill Osama bin Laden."

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:01 PM

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Monday hailed Osama bin Laden's death as a key turning point in the world's struggle against terrorism.

"The death of Osama bin Laden, announced by President (Barack) Obama last night, is a watershed moment in our common global fight against terrorism," Ban told reporters.

Maybe he and Obama know something Mudcat libs don't?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:44 PM

All biting satire aside...


After spending nearly 4 trillion dollars off budget in military expenditures since 2002 followed by a Wall St. inside job of stealing another 4 trillion dollars by fraudulently wagering up to 90 trillion...
what ever ideas Usama bin laden had by attacking our financial center and hoping for a bankrupting war similar to the Russians in Afghanistan that led to the loss of their empire, I daresay his prayers were answered many times over.

Given these facts, the same issues I warned about 10 years ago, I am sad to say bin Laden was partly victorious in the financial destruction of America.

Didn't anyone in the Bush Administartion read the Art of War?
















Similar to Bill D's psychic notion that an annourcment of our getting bin Laden was forthcoming, I said 8 years ago that if we want to have any chance of getting this guy we will need to follow his video tape courior.





regarding cable news.

There is a difference of course between the FOX converage of this event compared to NBC.

FOX says that Usama was told told to surrender before he was shot.
NBC says that capture was not the mission. It was only to kill.

FOX said his body was burned and then buried at sea.
NBC describes cleansing, wrapping, prayers in Arabic and burial at sea.

FOX mentioned Obama by name less than 6 times all day unless it was a quote by Dick Cheney who mentioned Obama by name. Otherwise FOX only says "The President". George W Bush is mentioned by name more than Obama. Obama is critisized for his handling of this mission.

NBC is roughly the opposite of the above.

FOX is saying that this mission is hard proof for an increased use of rendition and special interrogation techniques.

Both NBC and FOX have only seldom mentioned the killing of his adult son and the wounding of his wife.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:34 PM

"And it wasn't payback for Iraq. Apparently these idiots don't realize that Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq happened AFTER 9-11."

That's correct. I think the prior poster was confusing Bin Laden's statement about his reasons for the 9/11 attack. In fact he claimed that it was retribution for the American-Israeli alliance, the Israeli occupation of Palastine and invasion of Lebanon:

    "Allah knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed – when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women."

    – Osama bin Laden, 2004[98]

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:26 PM

You know, Richard, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to find out that a video showing Osama was being cobbled together to inform the Arab World that he's still alive. You have to wonder if he was smart enough to have pre-filmed something that would dispute claims that he was killed, which could be photoshopped with, for example, a 5/3 edition newspaper.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:19 PM

"Why didn't Pakistan help us find bin Laden, after all we have given them 18 billion dollars since 2001 to help us find him?"


isn't it great when they answer their own question with the question itself?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:07 PM

I am certainly concerned that the absence of a dead body will fail to seem convincing to the Arab world.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:05 PM

I have video of two well known generals conversing and gleefully gesticulating prior to the Obama announcment at Noon today. You can clearly see one general excitedly describing the wounds of "the evil one" by pointing to the left eye and temporal region as well as the right occipital region. He did this by pointing to places on the other general's head and then pointing to his own left eye.

I thought of kids in a candy store.

These kind of dark scenarios is what I refer to as the new American Gothic.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:57 PM

More on the Navy Seal team that got him, also photos and schemata of his compound: http://nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/the-secret-team-that-killed-bin-laden-20110502

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:56 PM

We have seen what has become of the Birthers.

Ir you really want to contest the death of he who I will no longer mention, you will be reffered to as the crazy Deather.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:55 PM

And a Holy Hole it is.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:53 PM

We have retained his nose and are storing it in liquid nitrogen.
Perhaps one day it will be stolen and they will try to clone fearless leader back to life from his nose...or has that already been done?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:50 PM

There is a picture of the hole in the water where he was dumped, if that makes you feel better.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:45 PM

The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?

What, do we think he was stuffed and mounted on somebody's wall?

Bin Laden releases a video every two or three months. Don't you think he'd already have one on Al Jazeera if he was alive?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: olddude
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:43 PM

No Seal Team 6 is not black ops. They are counter Terrorism specialists and the most highly trained unit in the Seals. They are currently on loan to the CIA but they are not black ops ... that is entirely different and usually involves Delta or the CIA's own special tactical group

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:42 PM

Ding Dong! bin Laden's dead. Which old bitch? The Wicked bitch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked bitch is dead.
Wake up - you sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked bitch is dead.
He's gone where goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked bitch is dead!

(Obama)
As commander and chief, In the County of the Land of Ooz, I inform you most regally.
(Petraus)
But we've got to verify it legally, to see
(Panetta)
To see?
(O'Reilly)
If he
(Panetta)
Is burned and buried at sea
(O"Reilly))
Is morally, ethicly, certainly, interestingly
(Father No.1)
Spiritually, physically
Father No. 2
Positively, absolutely
(Talking Heads)
Undeniably and reliably Dead

(DNA expert)
As Coroner I must concur, I thoroughly examined his mitochondrial DNA cross referencing it with his sister...
And he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.
(Obama)
Then this is a day of Independence For all good Americans and their descendants
(Petraus)
If any.
(Panetta)
Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old bitch at last is dead!


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as for my fellow Americans telling other fellow Americans to get out of the country, that is of course the most Un American thing you can say, intend and spew. Get a grip or get some help.

Remember your hero,
"FInding bin Laden is not important"
George W Bush

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:36 PM

////Josepp, if you don't like this forum, why don't you get the fuck out?////

I wouldn't give you the satisfaction.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:34 PM

Anybody who lives outside the US who are criticizing the US action to kill Bin Laden need to shut up. 9-11 didn't happen in their country.

And it wasn't payback for Iraq. Apparently these idiots don't realize that Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq happened AFTER 9-11. And for the record-- I despise George Bush and everything he stands for and I loathe with every fiber of my being anyone who supports him. After Abu Ghraib, I consider such scum scarcely human.

But the people who participated in torture at Abu Ghraib were disgraced, some sent to prison. The US doesn't always do the right thing. I was ashamed of the invasion of Iraq. But Bin Laden declared war on the US and drew innocent blood without a hint of an apology for it. He got what he deserved.

I'm sick of these "every person who is killed takes away from us" bullshit. It's letting certain people live who don't deserve it which disrespects that person's victims and their families that takes away from us. They hide their cowardice behind bullshit platitudes and use it to act holier than thou and I am goddamn sick of it.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: michaelr
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:27 PM

Josepp, if you don't like this forum, why don't you get the fuck out?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:19 PM

Well, josepp, it might be pointed out that many of the posters to this thread are not residents of this country. In addition, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that's what America is supposed to be about, right?
Having said that, I completely get why you are pissed off.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:16 PM

Which country?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:10 PM

The bleeding hearts on here are really starting to piss me off. If you don't like this country GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:05 PM

Osama Bin Laden was responsible for the deaths of thousands, not only in the US but all in other countries. His orders killed Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and those of other faiths or no faith at all.

I wish he could have been brought to trial (the order, according to Obama, was to "capture or kill"). Now, according to his faith, he has to answer to a Higher Judge -- I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:57 AM

I don't see a reason to parade in the street waving a flag either. I would suggest it is highly appropriate, whatever your feeling about this, to take a moment and pause, and think about where these people might be today if Bin Laden had never existed.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Beer
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:50 AM

My exactly Amos. I look at the celebrations over hear and think the only thing missing is guns shooting in the air. Is it really the end of a great war? I don't think so. A quiet vigil would show a lot more class and respect.
ade.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Taconicus
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:40 AM

A number of people around here are so steeped in the anti-(American) military tradition that they could never bring themselves to find cause for celebration in any American military victory.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:38 AM

No matter who the man is, no matter how evil the deeds. I will never celebrate the death of another. With each act of violence, we lose part of ourselves, no matter the country, no matter the race, creed or religion.

Same here, olddude.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Amos
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:33 AM

I am glad to hear it, although I see no grounds for celebration.

My prediction: the several branches of Al Qeda will begin sputtering and dying out by attrition.


A

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:32 AM

Some of these comments remind me of an old joke.

A boxer goes into the ring and the bell sounds for the first round. He is first tapped a couple of times by his opponent, and responds by covering up and retreating. His opponent then comes after him in a flurry of punches which rock him, but he recovers and continues covering up. At the end of the round, his trainer holds a wet cloth to his battered face and says "why in hell don't you hit him back?"
The fighter looks at the trainer through swollen eyes and says "I don't want to make him mad."

Bin Laden intentionally murdered 3000 innocent people and was the sworn enemy of my country. I don't care if it happened yesterday or ten years ago. He got less than what he deserved in my opinion. They should have turned him over to the thousands who lost family members to his twisted blood lust. I thank and congratulate the brave men who were dropped into his compound and flushed him out of his nest.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Taconicus
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:28 AM

It's a nice change that we finally did everything right: don't inform the false Pakistani allies in advance so he's not warned; shoot to kill, not capture, so we don't have a show trial or hostages taken to secure his release; dump (er, bury) the body at sea so we don't have a grave to serve as a shrine for his followers, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:27 AM

The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?

Thinking logically: There's nothing the USA could win by lying in this case. OBL would love to send a tape in which he speaks about an event after yesterday and Obama would have egg on his face.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: pdq
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:24 AM

"...questions are already being asked about how much the Pakistan authorities knew about his location."

Actually, the Pakistani government is working against the US in every way possible. They are two-faced SOBs who want the US to lose in Afghanistan and they allow the Taliban to have safe refuge in the western part of their counrty. They are Muslim and we are not. It's that simple.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: bobad
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:20 AM

These are the folks who did the heavy lifting:

"The members of Team 6 are all "black" operatives. They exist outside military protocol, engage in operations that are at the highest level of classification and often outside the boundaries of international law. To maintain plausible deniability in case they are caught, records of black operations are rarely, if ever, kept."

"When a former Navy SEAL was called for a comment about this article all he could say was: "You know I'd love to help you man, but I can't say a word about Team 6. There is no Team 6."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/02/meet-the-navy-seals-who-killed-osama-bin-laden/

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Bill D
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:19 AM

They announced "big news coming" at 10:15PM, at 10:20, I told my wife,"I'll bet they got bin Laden" at 10:40, news people who had 'sources' could no longer restrain themselves and began leaking what they knew.

As to what it means, and what will happen? That IS speculation. One man whose opinion I respect is Richard Engle, who speaks Arabic and spent much time in Afghanistan. He believes this will 'generally' reduce al Quaida's influence and help end this chapter.
Will there be some individual acts of attempted 'revenge'? Probably...but so what? If we had gotten bin Laden at Tora Bora 9 years ago, there would STILL have been reactions from those who viewed him as a hero!
All we have done is said: "We won't take attacks on us without responding."

What else did they expect?

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: josepp
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:07 AM

While there is a long history of Western aggression against Islam that may justify some of their actions, let's face it: Islam is a religion in need of enemies.

Look what happens when there's no Jews or Americans around to hate--they turn on each other. Remember when the Sunnis and Shiites were roaming the streets of Baghdad killing each other openly and the US occupational forces could do nothing to stop it but wall themselves inside their little Green Zone compound?

They're great at directing tremendous hate at the West but when there are no Westerners around to hate, they direct it just as virulently at one another.

You know why Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other? They disagree over whether a certain lieutenant of Mohammad was the first or the fourth caliph. That's at the root of their murderous hatred towards one another.

These are people who need someone to hate. It really doesn't matter who. So all this "killing Osama will just make another thousand Osamas want to take his place" is typical bleeding heart crap that ignores the reality of Islam--that there were a thousand Osamas ready to take his place long before he was dead. And if he isn't dead--one of them will surely kill him now so he can take his place.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:06 AM

////The "burial at sea" thing bothers me, nobody sees no body, I don't always believe my government, how about everybody else?////

The burial at sea also makes sure that there isn't a shrine made out of his body and his funeral can't be turned into an event.

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: kendall
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:01 AM

He wasn't "Blown to bits", he was shot in the head.

Old Dude, right on. We should cease disrespecting them and remove the reasons they hate us. ie invading Muslim countries, stationing our "Infidel troops" on their holy ground, and coveting their oil!
We started this punch up when we invaded Iraq 20 years ago. They hit us BACK!

Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:56 AM

I prefer to live in a 'morally decadent' country that allows me, as a female, the right to education, to decent medical attention and to being able to choose for myself who and whether to marry. I prefer to be able to dress as I please, even at the risk of offending others,to drive a car, go out unaccompanied, take up whatever work I am capable of and to make the myriad decisions about my own life that are denied to many Muslim women, including being able to divorce an abusive husband and retain custody of my children.