Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 04:46 PM

if you are pardoned you have been found guilty but pardoned.JERI   L according towikipedia
Criminal conviction and pardon by President Carter
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In 1970 Yarrow was convicted of, and served three months in prison for taking "improper liberties" with a 14-year-old girl who went with her 17-year-old sister to Yarrow's hotel room seeking an autograph.[33][34][35][36][37] He has since apologized for the incident: "It was an era of real indiscretion and mistakes by categorically male performers. I was one of them. I got nailed. I was wrong. I'm sorry for it.
Jeri you should learn to check your facts before you make the following comment
Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Jeri - PM
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:48 AM

I Googled. He was convicted of answering the door naked in 1970. I have friends who've done that, but there were't 14 and 17 year old girls on the other side. I don't know about other circumstances.

But seriously, answering the door naked 40-some years ago. And they just figured it out after booking him!? Stupid people...

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Megan L
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 02:35 PM

some of the posts smack of the unco guid there is no one on earth so good or so wise that they can safely talk down of their neighbour.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:58 PM

I put it in BS. It doesn't belong in music.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:57 PM

Joe, because it's BS and not music?

The episode ended 50 years ago and he appears to have learned his lesson. He's allowed to vote, he's probably not on a registered sex offenders list, etc.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:32 PM

Right, Joe. Again, my mistake re Stookey.
Happy 4th everyone.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:27 PM

And just to be clear, there was no question about Noel Paul Stookey. He's always been quite the family man.
Not sure how this got in the BS section. I've been posting on my phone and may have done it by accident.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:23 PM

You're the one characterizing it as "flashing somebody", by most accounts I'm aware of it involved something more than that and I didn't connect his shortened sentence to the later pardon.
As for the forestry analogy above, in this case the tree's initial defect was not hidden and it was found guilty of a felony.

I have no sympathy for child molesters as, like many of us, I know a couple of women near and dear to me who lives have been negatively altered from abuse in their early years. Now, I'm off to observe the holiday.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:23 PM

I would have thought that, as far as Me Too is concerned, this has far more to do with firing a shot across the bows of an industry notorious for the abuse of power and privilege where gullible youngsters are concerned
The same approach has worked to some extent with clerical abuse, though it is infuriating to recognise that, despite the massive concession by the Government in shouldering a major part of the burden of reparation, the church is still reneging on its part of the deal
The plea of "too long ago" seems to be a popular one where priests and pop-stars are concerned.
Wonder why!
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:20 PM

From this side of the Atlantic, in this supposedly more enlightened era,
it does seem a bit confusing
that some USA states may still permit 14 girls to get married...???????

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:09 PM

He was sentenced to 3 months in jail. His pardon came about a decade later. And "sex offender"!? You think rape is the same as flashing somebody?

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 12:45 PM

There are a lot of talented artists out there who aren't convicted sex offenders, give them a shot. Yarrow blew his when he went after a 14 year old girl and it can't be argued that he paid his debt to society considering his sharply abbreviated prison term.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 12:37 PM

In forestry that is called "cruising for hidden defect" - looking at a tree and assuming, or guessing something is wrong and downgrading it. In law, I think the equivalent would be innocent until proven guilty, and no other charges seem to have emerged in this volatile time.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 12:23 PM

And we don't know that he hasn't. If I were a concert promoter I'd pass on him.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 12:16 PM

It's fifty years ago and he doesn't seem to have repeated the offense. Things really were different then. Give him a break.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 12:13 PM

I may have gone off half-cocked regarding Stookey. I guess I've been confusing him with Yarrow all theses decades.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 12:07 PM

It seems he did more than just answer the door in the buff-"Yarrow answered the door naked and made sexual advances that stopped short of intercourse".
The Awareness Center, Inc

I seem to recall that Stookey had problems of a similar nature.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 12:04 PM

The current news stories downplay the incident, but I get the impression it was no accident. It may have led to the breakup of PP&M in the 1970s.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:48 AM

They would have known about the offence before they booked him. Looks to me like the whole thing was set up so that they could get press coverage from their virtue signalling.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:48 AM

I Googled. He was convicted of answering the door naked in 1970. I have friends who've done that, but there were't 14 and 17 year old girls on the other side. I don't know about other circumstances.

But seriously, answering the door naked 40-some years ago. And they just figured it out after booking him!? Stupid people...

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:43 AM

Back in the 1960s, Peter Yarrow was convicted for taking liberties with a teenage girl. It was a serious offense, and Yarrow spent time in jail for it. Jimmy Carter pardoned him.
Yarrow was booked for a concert recently, but the booking was cancelled because of the negative social media comments.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:36 AM

He's still a self-confessed and convicted sex offender, the pardon didn't change that.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:35 AM

Whatever it is...
a pardon means you did it, but the powers that be have forgiven you.
Legally not guilty is not legally innocent.

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:33 AM

What the heck are you talking about?

Subject: RE: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:32 AM

Legally innocent, perhaps - but factually guilty. Still, one wonders whether an 80-year-old man should still be paying for the sins of his youth.

Subject: Peter Yarrow me-too'ed out of concert?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:18 AM

I thought if you were pardoned you were legally innocent?