BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:28 PM

Hey Bobert:

What is the difference between black people and white people?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:17 PM

...and without ever diverting his eyes away from the teleprompter, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 07:21 AM

I like the "icky-whack", Amos... It's better than my "itchy"...

Now as for my tin-foil-hat suspicions??? Well, it's still alot of work just finding the right, ahhhhh, correct rightie-blog stuff that is somewhat appropriate... I mean, if the thread title is "Obama is an alien from Mars" and they put up a "3-screener" on how Obama really didn't make those two three point basketball shot during the campaign then they gonna look silly, right, I mean, correct...

(The righties lookin' "silly", Boberdz???)

Nevermind... This is going in circles...

BTW, ya'll did ya know that Obama can't be an American citizen becasue he was actaully born on Mars of Martian parentage???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 02:55 AM

Looking at ichMael's previous posts on other threads, I'd say that he never met a conspiracy theory that he didn't love--and embrace wholeheartedly.

Or so it would appear. Actually, though, I think he's just a wind-up artist.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 01:30 AM

Obama, by nature of his post, balances the interests of corporate AMerica with a lot of other things, Icky-whack. He so much further away from Fascism than W was that your trotting out this sort of bullpucky makes you look ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: DougR
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 01:19 AM

Bobert, you been dipping into the koolaid again? I can't believe that you actually believe the "corporate" types gives a hoot about opinions on the Mudcat. Why would they? We are just plain old common folks aren't we? You think the fact we like folk music sets them off or something?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 12:11 AM

So many topics to address, but I've finally found the one.

Obama's a Fascist

This is provable in SO many different ways. Lots of cool pics of him with his corporate mafioso associates, too. This one will leave Obamanoids sitting dazed at their keyboards. Even his wife's family is involved, with union busting. So many ways to go with this, but need to keep it simple.

Lots of work, but as the Brits say, Well begun is half done. Or something like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Amos
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 11:30 PM

Aw, now, Bobert, don't go digging out the tinfoil hat on us!! LOL!!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 11:04 PM

Bobert,

I think somewhere on the internet there is a big pile of this stuff that they just steal.

They are just a bunch of cut and pasters.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 09:36 PM

Well, I wouldn't mind the trolls if I didn't have the suspision that they are on corporate payrolls and I'm wondering why our little music community is so important to these folks???

I mean, lets look at the current batch... Thay have goobs and goobs of time to put together these long winded posts with all kinds of links to all kinds of obscure websites... And they go on and on and with these links... Heck, if they had the time to find and read these websites then why don't they just do what the real muscians do here in the real musican's joint and say whatever it is that they have come up with thru "critical thinking" and make their arguments??? But no!!! It's another 10,000 word term paper with another 15 blue clickies!!! Like how many people have that kinda time on their hands??? I surely don't... I work for a living and I suspect that many others do here, as well... Then there are gigs to reherse for and play and, and, and.... But...

...turn yer back to go to work and these same people have added yet another dozen college length term papers with another dozen blue clickies????

Yeah, my fellow Mudders... Me thinks we are being invaded by professional Republican bloggers who have been assigned to our little corner of Paradise jst to, ahhhhh, fuck with folk singers!!!

I mean, how else would they have all this time and all these obscure rightie-sites all lined up with more propaganda than anyone with a real job can really get thru, let alone respond...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 08:41 PM

>>>Relax, Jack. My desire to tone down the personal insults flying between people on this forum whenever politics, global warming or religion are being discussed is no threat to anyone's existence here.<<

Your desire is not at issue.

Its your tendency to encourage the trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 08:06 PM

Hey, I don't mind the antagonism, folks. Since I signed up here I've been lambasted quite a bit. And that's led to what I think of as my 3 "mudcat pages."

WTC Towers did NOT fall because of fire

A Tale of Two Conspiracies

Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques

You see, the internet has taken the place of the printing press. What the Sons of Liberty and patriots did with handbills and pamphlets in the 1760's and early 1770's, we can now do with a computer, a few basic webpage design skills, and the internet.

So, as David Manning would say, "go ahead onnn with your baaad selves." I don't mind. The name-calling just stirs me to action. You may not agree with the action, but that's not really my concern.

Did any of you read about how Obama and Rahm Emanuel are destroying the Congressional Black Caucus? Don't you think that's odd? If Republicans took in after Rangel and Conyers you'd be screaming "racist." I mean, it's obvious to me that you're being manipulated, somehow, and the hypnotic possibility is very real. Too much that Obama does when he's speaking fits in with the Ericksonian methods. He's busted. Now it's on to something else.

I need to spend some time trying to get my state rep and senator to NULLIFY the Aetna insurance takeover of the federal govt (at least nullify the takeover in my state), and then I could either do a page about the Congressional Black Caucus and Obama, or I could do a page about Obama being set up for assassination. Remember when his wife wore that black dress with the red hourglass shape on the front?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/05/michelle_obama_4.jpg

That was the night Obama won the election, and she was dressed in a way that suggested a black widow spider. "Widow" was implanted in the minds of those watching. And all through the runup to the election Obama did the anchoring hand gestures when he was talking about JFK and Lincoln (two assassinated presidents). He would talk about them in a speech, and then later in the speech he would make the hand gestures and point them at himself, thus using a signal to transfer all the warm and fuzzy feelings he'd just stirred up about Kennedy and Lincoln to himself.

Anyway, he did as the script required, and in his mind the end result was to get elected. But not in the minds of the speechwriters. By seeing him connect himself to Kennedy and Lincoln over and over and over, we've been trained to classify him with assassinated presidents. And then there are the millions of photos connecting him with the two men. So, we're being prepped for his killing, Michelle as the widow and so on. Or so it seems. I may look into that. Or the Black Caucus thing. Not sure which. Maybe I should ask which idea you hate more...good indicator that I'm on the right track.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 07:04 PM

I once had a totally fruitless discussion with a fellow who stated something completely ridiculous. When I questioned what he was saying, he countered by saying that I was the victim of a "meme."

A meme is a collection of social attitudes, political beliefs, or behaviors that are said (by the advocates of the idea of memes) to spread through a culture like a virus and infect people's minds. This idea doesn't have all that much credence with philosophers, psychologists, sociologists, et al, but it made a lot of money for Richard Dawkins (whose latest target is religion—which I believe he considers to be nothing but a meme), who put forth the idea of memes in the first place.

The concept is very useful in argument and debate, because it allows the advocate of memes to "negate" any logical objection or refutation of his argument by saying, "you believe the way you do because of the meme you have accepted!"

Any further objection from you, or to the idea of memes, is met with a smug smile and a remark like, "See? That just shows how strongly the meme has a hold on you."

Thereby, logic is set dispensed with.

Don't buy it!

Our friend ichMael is merely using a variation on this idea.

He'll never yield to logical debate. Best to just ignore him.

Don Firth

P. S. Now, note how he answers this (if at all). One can predict it quite easily.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: mousethief
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 06:24 PM

ichMael said

"That's why this thread is so interesting, in my opinion. It began with my assertions, and they were met with name-calling and villification. The mob trying to shout down an unpopular opinion."

No, a stupid opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 06:00 PM

McLuhan had Obama down better than all this stuff. Obama:

1) Looks beautiful on television. His color and speaking style (which was softened up for the American people by Bill Cosby) are perfect for television.

2) TV works best at both ends of the temperature spectrum. Obama is "cool" and comes across as someone who is completely at ease with himself.

3) When he gives a really good speech, he "hypnotizes" not by any fancy rhetoric, but by the compelling logical structure of his arguments. He is the first person in a very, very long time who can actually make a substantive argument that goes on for more than one sentence. Once you are locked into it -- and if you watch the beginnings of his speeches, he is very careful to move down the runway -- he is just interesting to listen to: he moves through arguments. He infuses his arguments with emotion, and vice versa.   He almost never rises to emotional heights, but he has what one can call emotional lengths. Even if you disagree with him. Some of this is his professorial and legalistic background. Anyone who has ever watched a Perry Mason show can get a feel for how mesmerizing a speech to the jurors can be.

4) His trouble is that when he isn't giving a really good speech -- when he stops being emotionally attached to his arguments, there is a tendency in the listener to back off slightly. What is amazing is how seldom he is boring.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:39 PM

Relax, Jack. My desire to tone down the personal insults flying between people on this forum whenever politics, global warming or religion are being discussed is no threat to anyone's existence here. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:34 PM

You want the truth!?? You can't handle the ttuth!!!

But here it is anyway! Obama was sired by a hyena and his mother was a jackal bitch. He was born in Kenya, on the veldt under an acacia tree. Deserted by his mother, he was suckled by a female wildebeest who raised him as a Muslim (although how she suckled him while wearing that burka is unclear).

As a teenager, he wandered through the Himalayas and met a holy man in a mountaintop community, the one that James Hilton used as the model for Shangri-La in his novel, Lost Horizon. The holy man taught him how to gesture hypnotically like Mandrake the Magician and bend people to his will.

This explains how he was able, with a very few words, to persuade all those republican elected officials to walk in like zombies and, without argument, vote for his health care bill, and why we now have a single-payer health care system modeled after the best health care systems in Europe.

Beware!! He may gesture hypnotically again and bring about World Peace and Universal Prosperity!

God help American Capitalism if THAT happens!!

How do I know this? There is a satellite dish on the roof of the apartment building in which I live, put there by one of the tenants to receive television signals, and although my TV isn't hooked up to the system, through this antenna, I receive signals on my fillings. The signals come from Arcturus 12, where they are monitoring our civilization, and they keep my informed of what's really going on here on earth.

I thought you'd all like to know.

Don Firth

P. S. But seriously, folks, is there no end to the really asinine lengths that right-wingers will go in their efforts to slam Obama? Not that I've noticed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:28 PM

Well put, JtS.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:11 PM

Little Hawk

Whatever..

Why don't you start a thread for that stuff if you find it interesting. Take away the politics and some other people who are interested might want to discuss it with you.

This thread is about a troll trying to convince people like me and Carol and Mick and Spaw that Obama has hypnotized us and we should wake up and agree with him. We can forgive you for being smug and condescending. We know you. We don't know anything about ichmael other than the insults he has heaped upon us.

I think that if you think you are in some way helping Ichmael's cause by siding with him you ought to reconsider. We all know that you do such things as a matter of course. And encouraging him just gets him to post more shit and then for us to tell him that he is posting shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:10 PM

What Jeri said... Plus, after 30 years of failed conservative policies that have done nuthing but inflict war after war on our planet, redestrivbute wealth to the upper 5% and pollute our planet I get more that a little pissed off at their arrogance that they have the better ideas... We have seen their ideas play out for 3 long miserable decades... This ain't about Dems and Repubs... It's about sane policies that are both pro-human and pro-Earth...

Period!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:00 PM

Whatever.

Anyway, there are some genuinely interesting issues that people could discuss on this thread, such as the nature of hypnotism and how most people respond to it, for one.

The manipulative nature of ALL poltical campaigns, for another, and how people respond to that.

The common use of hyperbole and exaggerated rhetoric by most politicians, for another.

The common use of misleading poll results (which are usually created through carefully worded questions), for another.

Whether or not polls should determine national policy in any case, for another.

What a politician's duty really is? To lead? Or to follow? (by simply doing what the majority of people apparently want him to do at any particular moment)

How much people's partisan loyalties affect their ability to be objective in assessing any political situation...

All these are worthier subjects than discussing how much of a wingnut ichMael is or how deluded the various "liberals" here are, wouldn't you say? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:31 PM

I think that if you start from the beginning and read through, you will see that ich started out getting a lot more respect than he was giving.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:23 PM

"...one of the reasons I frequently break ranks with my natural political allies here"--If I knew it was that easy to control LH's opinions ;-)...

I think the reactions to stupid shit like this are because it's stupid shit. Somebody comes in and says, in effect, "This person is manipulating you people because you're too stupid to realize what he's doing. It takes someone as enlightened as me to recognize the truth. Let me explain to you poor naive people."

People tend to resent that sort of approach. Personally, I think that I'm already a bit ahead of people who believe it's likely a lot of other folks can fall for that shit. They DO fall for other types of manipulative shit, and this thread is a perfect example. Of course, if you KNOW someone's trolling and you still want to play with them, it's the suckers who try to stop it who really are the manipulated. Maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:21 PM

You're right that ichMael does add fuel to the fire with his "you poor deluded fools" approach, Spaw. No doubt about that, and it deserves mention.

I guess the main thing is when I see one person on one side doing that....and 15 or 20 on the other side behaving just as badly back to him...I tend often to sympathize to some extent with the guy that's outnumbered.

I also feel embarrassed when people on my own general side of a political issue fall into lazy, chauvinistic thinking and knee jerk ridicule of opponents. It embarasses me more when my political allies do that....perhaps because I expect better behaviour than that from them in the first place. ;-) (if you get what I mean)

See...if Sarah Palin acts like an intemperate jerk, it doesn't bother me much, I expect she might anyway, but it would bother me a lot if Dennis Kucinich did, because I expect a far better standard from him.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:19 PM

""And that's where Democratic true believers are making a fundamental mistake. They think the whole "debate" in American politics right now is about race, but it's not.   The concern of moderates and conservatives is how the country's being destroyed financially by BOTH parties. Obama = Bush.""

First off, it's not the Democrats that are making this a race issue, it's the gun toting redneck repubs who turn up at public meetings with Ole Betsy strapped to their waists (those that have waists), to let the "Uppity N****r" know what to expect.

You know the guys I'm talking about, the kind you call "Friend". The "Good Ole Boys" who burn crosses, and shoot holes in windows. The kind from whom cattle need the protection of a large white "COW" painted on their flanks.

As for Obama = Bush, well nobody with more than one brain cell would subscribe to that, and if you believed it, you've spent the whole thread slagging off one without a single adverse comment about the other. Your position is clear from the title of the thread, and any attempted volte face now simply screams hypocrite.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:09 PM

>>>It has always interested me that when liberals (of which there are a few here on the Mudcat)cannot find good arguments to counter statements made by those whose opinions are different than theirs, they attack the poster.<<<

You're problem DougR is that there are just as many non-liberals who do that. But you just fault the liberals. What is up with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 02:56 PM

I dunno'.......WHen you have repeatedly tries good arguments and logic and it becomes obvious nothing you say is even willing to be discussed, you can either drop out of the non-conversation or have a good time with some jackass. I tried many years ago with Conrad for instance, but now I just enjoy the abuse and so does he!

I don't think I have ever been abusive to Doug........While I think him often wrong, I respect that he has a reasonable thought process and sometimes starts from a point far different than mine. That's life and good discussion.......plus Doug never gets abusive or "know it all" himself.

Ichy's history here is very much one of "You poor deluded fools." You start a conversation that way and/or with some "out where the buses don't run" blather, than it is unlikely anyone will come out well.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 02:21 PM

Yes, they do, Doug, and it's shameful. It's one of the reasons I frequently break ranks with my natural political allies here.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: DougR
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 02:07 PM

It has always interested me that when liberals (of which there are a few here on the Mudcat)cannot find good arguments to counter statements made by those whose opinions are different than theirs, they attack the poster.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM

Did you notice, GfS, that David Manning's blatherings were singularly free of actual charges? No, he prefers to rail and rant and predict stuff he knows little of.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:24 PM

Oh, I'm not saying I'm any smarter than anyone else. Probably about average. But I have more focus when it comes to some things. And I don't like mob thuggery.

That's why this thread is so interesting, in my opinion. It began with my assertions, and they were met with name-calling and villification. The mob trying to shout down an unpopular opinion. Rather than give in to that, I decided to give the name-callers even MORE of what had upset them. That's how you deal with thugs and mobs--when they push, you push back twice as hard.

So this should be a good object lesson in that, and also in what David Manning says at one of my earlier links. He says "white people gonna riot," but it's not just whites. And that's where Democratic true believers are making a fundamental mistake. They think the whole "debate" in American politics right now is about race, but it's not.   The concern of moderates and conservatives is how the country's being destroyed financially by BOTH parties. Obama = Bush.

They tell us we have the ballot box or the bullet box, but they always fail to mention the free exchange of information. I'm simply trying to avoid bloodshed by pointing out some things.

Look at the Philadelphia Flash Mob story. You can throw together a mob in minutes now. And most of these mob members will be younger, probably Obama supporters. Mussolini would have LOVED it if he could have thrown together this type of spontaneous mob. Hitler too. And now, in America, Democrats are being told they're being shot at. Being told the Republicans are out to kill the president. All kinds of nonsense. So, sure as sunrise, the feds are going to start moulding all this into mob action. A false report of a shooting and death, a mob, ten people ACTUALLY die...

You folks need to wake up. You're being conditioned to do a job.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Lox
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:47 PM

Spaw,

Its worth checking out more Derren Brown.

I haven't looked at the link here, but there are plenty of great examples of him doing some great tricks.

Like collecting winnings on a losing dog at the races, or telling strangers their names by reading their eye's and their reflexive reactions to very subtle stimuli - getting a whole shopping centre full of peopl to raisetheir hands simultaneously yet not knowing why ... then there's his theatre stuff ...

Have fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 11:23 AM

""Good lord, man. Whatever has given you the idea that you- of all people and with your history - are smarter than the people here?""

Or, for that matter, smarter than the average vegetable?

Time to resurface the tinfoil cap.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 11:16 AM

ichMael

You are not the first conservative crusader to march in here like Napoleon hoping to conquer us with your logic. You won't be the first to slink away with your tail between your legs, like Bush, at Obama's inauguration.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 08:06 AM

Unfortunatley, the Dems have learned a valuable lesson from former Repub campaign successes and that is "KISS", "Keep It Simple Stupid"... That is a sad commentary on the electorate but an accurate one... We have reduced way too many people who vote to people who only have time to take in bumber sticker political positions...

"Yes, we can" is no different than "When guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns" or "Choose life, You mother did"... None of these really deal with complex issues but with a dumbed down population that is increasingly being striped of critical thinking skills it is purdy much the way it is these days...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Acorn4
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 07:46 AM

I thought Obama's speeches were written by Bob the Builder!

"Can we fix it? Yes, we can!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 02:32 AM

Good lord, man. Whatever has given you the idea that you- of all people and with your history - are smarter than the people here? It is laughable. And sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:22 AM

The Black Caucus thing is interesting. If I wanted to press on that nerve here, the Obamanoids would go into hysterical denial, as they did at the beginning of this thread when a crack began to develop in their programming. They could SEE, perhaps for the first time, exactly HOW they've been lied to, and the reaction was to revert to infantile thumbsucking and name-calling.

The Black Caucus thing would elicit the same response, if I hammered on it. Obama's brutalizing black men. The men who are most responsible for getting him where he is. And he's killing their careers. Why? I could do a beautiful hatchet job on him for that, and keep you folks posted as I did, and you would whimper and wet yourselves through the whole process. Say it ain't so, say it ain't so. You'd become feral in your name-calling and... You know the drill. Really not worth it. Just go to Rense.com and read all about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:14 AM

Maybe my next focus should be on self-hypnosis, or more properly, self delusion. Now if I could only find an example who claims to be a number # 1 salesperson, and a former world-class teacher, space cadet and so on.

Actually I think next I'll work up a piece on the role of television on hypnotism. I mean, PBS has you people convinced it's not government funded. That's some powerful juju.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:34 AM

"Now....this whole episode demonstrated something quite interesting. Only 3 out of about 100 people were so susceptible to hypnosis that they went into a deep trance and forgot about normal reality and became very malleable to the will of the hypnotist. That's significant. I do not think most people can easily be hypnotized."

Keep in mind those people were self selected from a group of people who self selected by choosing to go to the show.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:22 AM

It is quite true that most people are not all that susceptible to hypnotism in a controlling sense, specially in the sense that they can't be hypnotized into doing something they don't want to. I have sat in audiences and seen professional hypnotism acts, and I've seen how repetitive phrases, music, and a certain form of speaking are used to induce a hypnotic trance in members of the public. I was among about 100 people out of an audience of thousands who volunteered and went up on stage as subjects for a very well known hypnotist...Reveen.

Well, it was fun. We all got up on the stage and he proceeded to suggest that we do various stuff...all applaud...all jog in position...and turn around...all laugh...and so on. And we did.

It was quite interesting how he went about doing it, but I never lost awareness that he was making the suggestions, and I was choosing to follow them, because:

1. it was fun to do it
2. I saw no reason to object to doing it

Eventually, however, he asked us to do something that I didn't particularly want to do, so I just stood there. Within moments I found an assistant tugging on my arm and I was directed back to my seat in the audience. And the same thing happened with most of the other 100 people in the next few minutes...they eventually decided they didn't want to follow some command, and were directed back to their seats.

Finally Reveen had narrowed it down to just 3 people, and it was quite evident that those 3 people had gone completely into a deep trance and had no idea any longer that they were standing on a stage being directed by a hypnotist. Reveen was then able to command those three people to do all kinds of weird and funny stuff...and to experience all kinds of imaginary realities which only they were aware of...and they clearly thought those realities were totally real. They had forgotten entirely that they were in an arena and they were unconscious of anything except what he told them to think about.

He did not ask them to do anything harmful or particularly embarrassing...as he could certainly be open to legal repercussions if he were to do that.

It was quite amazing how disconnected those people were until he ended their trances at prearranged signals which he had instructed them to respond to to end the trance. It was also quite clear afterward that they didn't remember any of it.

I spoke to one of those people, a young woman, after the show as she was leaving with her family. She clearly had not the slightest idea what I was talking about, and did not remember being hypnotized.

Now....this whole episode demonstrated something quite interesting. Only 3 out of about 100 people were so susceptible to hypnosis that they went into a deep trance and forgot about normal reality and became very malleable to the will of the hypnotist. That's significant. I do not think most people can easily be hypnotized.

What is easy to do, though, is to influence most people...to persuade them....providing they like you in the first place, providing you are a really good speaker, providing they like the way you look, providing you have charisma, providing you are famous, etc...

And all politicians do their utmost to influence and persuade people. That's their job. I don't call it hypnosis, but in some cases it can approach hypnosis. What a politician who is really good at it does is this: he taps into people's basic motivations. He either taps into negative stuff like fear, anger, resentment, hatred, "getting even", etc...

Or...he taps into positive stuff like pride, patriotic fervor, hope, faith in someone or something, treasured dreams, etc...

Again, I don't call that hypnosis, I call it influencing and persuading people. I'd much rather see people persuaded through positive motivations than through negative ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:06 AM

As a former #1 Sales Rep and mgr. for a Fortune 500 and also a sales trainer for that company, the Derron Brown thing is laughable. It uses elements of sales techniques but does a very poor job overall, Its a very bad variant on the "Magic Card" technique of controlling through questioning (which Brown does very poorly).

Now HERE'S something that needs no selling at all. Most folks around here can readily see that old icky is an ignofuckinramus!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 11:40 PM

Darren Brown NLP video

Interesting video about the BMX bike. Brown convinces a man he wants a bike as a gift, when the man actually wanted something else.

Larry Sinclair on Obama

Forgot this Sinclair thing was on the internet.

I don't know what to make of Manning. Powerful clip. White people gonna riot. Long-legged Mack Daddy. Manning is either a govt shill trying to divide and instill fear, or he's sincere. He's addressing a black audience with that clip, and he's trying to warn blacks that Obama needs to be dealt with. Seems he's genuinely distraught about what's going on. Sinclair seems sincere too. He HAD to go public. If he'd kept quiet, he would have been killed. Now there's no need to kill him--his story is out in the open.

And meanwhile, Obama is currently destroying the Congressional Black Caucus. Liberal blacks are a threat to his fascism, so they have to go. Do an internet search for the Rense.com article. It gives precise details about what's going on. Obama and Emanuel are stripping the most influential blacks in congress of their powers.

But there is hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 08:03 PM

So, itchy... Answer me this... How many times have you been in Reverand Wright's church??? I mean, I recall back in the 60's having my families church split down the middle over Vietnam and the minister fired for saying things that were purdy couaheous for those times... Had those been played on the air then alot of folks would have lined up to lynch the man... But many of us had known him for years and knew what kind of man he was and what was in his heart... That is what matters... Not a sound clip from one sermon outta hundreds, perhaps thousands, that he had given in that church... There is a lot more to minstry than sermons and Sunday... Those are part of the church community... There are the Wednesday night pot-luck suppers, the summer picnics, the fund raisers for communities in Thrd World countries, the prayer groups, Bible study, visitations of the infirmed, funerals, weddings, etc., etc... The church is a communtiy that cannot be judged by someone who has never stepped foot in that church...

You should be ashamed, itchy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 07:04 PM

Comes from preaching, an art practiced in the Black culture. It's a known style of communicating.


On thing, the GOP operates in fear and hate. "The party of hell no!"
Obama is the embodiment of optimism. "Yes we can".

I don't agree with everything Obama does but his tone is more refreshing than the
Cheney/Bush fear-mongering and disregard for the English language.

Obama can at least put a sentence together unlike Palin who sounds like
a Valley Girl (gag me with a spoon).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 07:00 PM

First Ashlee Simpson.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Lox
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 06:35 PM

And as if hypnosis wasn't enough ...

   ... Lip Syncing? ...



God Bless the Onion News Network!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 02:54 PM

Fox "News" Network is for those who do not want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: DougR
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 02:25 PM

Bill D's contribution: "There are none so deaf as those who will not hear." I suppose that's the reason you will not tune in to Fox News Network, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 01:45 PM

As a professional hypnotist for 15 years and with over 10,000 clients, I found the 'argument' to persuade the reader to believe that Obama uses hypnotic techniques was more hypnotic than any speech Barak has ever made.

Effective communication, including music, will by the nature of the human mind will be hypnotic in once sense or another.

Using visualizations in communication will enhance meaning and comprehension. To suggest that is a bad or scary thing is (to borrow a phrase from one of the best communicator's on mudcat)
"a pile of bull shit 10 feet high".