Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Kaleea Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:19 PM Vulcan "mysticism" (TOS), the beliefs of Chakotay in the teachings of his ancestors (VGER), The Rules of Acquisition so that one could get into the Feringi version of Heaven (DS9), Klingons even believed in an afterlife! Kirk referred to the one who created us all. There are many "religions" perhaps more appropriately thought of as philosophies or belief systems in the Star Trek universe-but also the pervading belief that it was not right to impose one's beliefs upon others. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:13 PM No... they had Shatner filling that role :-P Heh |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:09 PM Star Trek was the first big TV show to include people of different races and NOT make them look like second-class idiots or bumbling fools. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:57 PM Yes, that's right. No organized religion anyway. Another good point of Star Trek. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:53 PM " proposed a society NOT based on money!" It also has no religion... |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:32 PM That was what was great about Star Trek. It was a show that took on social issues in depth and proposed a society NOT based on money! That was totally revolutionary, not to mention subversive, in our society. Such ideas need to be examined, and Rodenberry was willing to examine them. Clinton, your God Emperor Of Geeks status is awe-inspiring! Thank you for those factoids from the archives. Azizi, you say that "a cluttered mind is better than an empty mind"???????????? WHOA! That's funny, because the whole point of most Eastern spiritual disciplines states the exact opposite. To empty the cluttered mind and bring it to a condition of stillness is indispensible if one is to achieve enlightenment (or anything close to it). A human being's greatest enemy is their busy, cluttered, debating, chattering mind. It keeps them lost in confusion and illusion, bouncing around between pleasure and pain, caught up in fleeting desires. That's the premise of Vedanta (Hinduism) and Buddhism, among others. But I gather that by "empty" mind you meant an ignorant one? (which is not the objective of stilling the mind) |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Don Firth Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:36 PM All manifestations of Star Trek had their good shows and their stinkers. Unfortunately, I can't remember much in the way of good shows in the "Enterprise" prequel. The cast was good. Scott Bakula is a very versatile actor, but the scripts were mediocre. He didn't have much to work with. Good potential unrealized. One episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation was one of the finest pieces of genuine science fiction to ever hit the small screen (or large screen, for that matter). The episode's title was "The Measure of a Man" and it dealt with a computer scientist from Star Fleet arriving on the Enterprise to requisition Data. He planned to dismantle him, dump his memory core, and try to find out (literally) what makes him tick. His object was to use Data as a prototype in order to construct a whole army of Datas. There were several real issues tackled here. Data declined. He was especially concerned about the memory dump. Assured that his memories of past experiences would be reloaded, he feared that, although he would still have the factual memories, he would lose their "ineffable quality." He was then told that he had no choice in the matter. He was only a machine—the property of Star Fleet. This raised several fairly juicy questions. Was Data a life form, or just a machine? Does a sentient machine have civil rights? Is Data conscious, or does he (it) just appear to be? If he is, how can you be sure? If he isn't how can you really be sure of that? How do we know that anyone else is conscious? What is the nature of consciousness? Another question was the desirability of building a race of "disposable people" who would do the dirty, dangerous jobs that "biological" humans didn't want to do. Picard to Guinan, when she used the term "disposable people": "You're talking about slavery!" Guinan, looking meaningfully innocent: "Am I?" This show was a doozey! What makes this an especially good piece of science fiction? Considering the advances currently being made in robotics and artificial intelligence, these are very real questions that may—will—confront us sometime in the not too far distant future. It wouldn't hurt to give some thought to them before we actually encounter them. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:22 PM There are those that call me "The God Emperor Of Geeks" and I wear it like a scar of honour :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi Date: 05 Mar 06 - 12:55 PM Thanks, ClintonHammond. I appreciate that info. Not that I really needed to know this, since its just some more trivia stuff cluttering up my mind. But IMO, a cluttered mind is better than an empty mind. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Mar 06 - 12:46 PM Spock was a "lieutenant commander" when Kirk promoted him to 1st Officer, and Science Officer... soon after that he was promoted to Commander.. after the V'Ger crisis he was promoted to Captain "mating thing every seven years" Pon farr... |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Mar 06 - 12:06 PM I think his first rank was first lieutenant...or it may have been science officer. Yes, he had one or two romantic situations, but I don't recall with exactly who. Vulcans go through some sort of weird mating thing every seven years or something like that. He would prefer a serious woman to a Britney Spears type... |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Mar 06 - 12:06 PM Doesn't Spock actually get married in one episode? I seem to remember Captain Kirk had to fight him for the girl. LTS |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi Date: 05 Mar 06 - 09:21 AM Kendall, what you just said. **** Here's some Memorable Quotes from Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079945/quotes Captain James T. Kirk: Evaluation, Mr. Spock. Commander Spock: Fascinating. -- Commander Spock: It's life, Captain, but not life as we know it. -- [Kirk apologizes for assuming command over Captain Decker] Captain James T. Kirk: I'm sorry, Will. Commander Willard Decker: No, Admiral. I don't think you're sorry. Not one damned bit. I remember when you recommended me for this command. You told me how envious you were and how much you hoped you'd find a way to get a starship command again. Well, sir, it looks like you found a way. -- [a transporter accident has just occurred] Transporter chief: Enterprise, what we got back didn't live long... fortunately. -snip- I like Spock over Captain Kirk, but I admit that I don't really know Spock's title/rank. What was it originally? and didn't he eventually get a much needed promotion? And while I'm at it, did anyone ever write about Spock having a romantic relationship? If so, what type of woman would he prefer? |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: jacqui.c Date: 05 Mar 06 - 09:16 AM Liz - time to get back on the meds....... |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Mar 06 - 09:11 AM Oh but Kendall... it's worth it for that bottom of his...... Mind you, I can see how you wouldn't find that alluring. Just lie back and think of Uhururururu. LTS |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: kendall Date: 05 Mar 06 - 08:38 AM I've never taken to the latter day Star Trek programs. A Klingon in a star ship? No way! |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Mar 06 - 08:09 AM William Shatner trivia time.... For 'Jason' in the 'Halloween' movies, they used a William Shatner 'Captain Kirk' mask with slightly bigger eyeholes cut. Shatner never looked better. LTS |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Date: 04 Mar 06 - 08:18 PM " Next Generation series with Patrick Stewart in the 80's" Of which there might be 1 or MAAYBEE 2 full season worth of original, well written scripts, that mostly realized their potential.... Which still leaves about 5 years of crap.... |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Mar 06 - 06:57 PM Yes, once Gene Rodedenberry was gone you could forget about good Star Trek writing. The best by far was the lengthy Next Generation series with Patrick Stewart in the 80's. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Date: 04 Mar 06 - 06:18 PM "The latest series, Enterprise," ... was post Roddenberry crap! |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace Date: 04 Mar 06 - 06:14 PM Time to close this thread or someone will be complaining about it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Georgiansilver Date: 04 Mar 06 - 06:13 PM Thanks folks, that about satisfies my idle curiosity of Star Trek history. Best wishes, Mike. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin Date: 04 Mar 06 - 05:05 PM The latest series, Enterprise, had a Captain Archer who was captain on a starship Enterprise over a century or so before Kirk's time. More than you ever wanted to know about the Star Trek universe. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Purple Foxx Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:48 PM Captain Christopher Pike played by Jeffrey Hunter in the unbroadcast pilot episode. |
Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:47 PM History here, GS. |
Subject: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Georgiansilver Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:42 PM I have this memory of someone playing the Captain of the Enterprise before Shatner played Kirk. Is it my imagination or can someone enlighten me please. Best wishes, Mike. |