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Subject: "Shatner sings Dylan"
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 12:12 PM

Duckboots and I were talking about this the other day, and a mention of poor old Bill Shatner's interpretations of Dylan in another thread drove me to action.
Often one interest is connected with other related ones - most of the other leather carvers I've met also play folk music. So it occurred to us that since most folkies try to have a positive outlook on how the music can be useful in making our world a better place..as do a lot of the folks deeply involved in science-fiction (do you folks still call it that?) there might be a lot of Trekkie-Folkies.

And Puhleeze! If "Trekkie" is an insulting term these days - I mean no offence! Educate me.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Legal Eagle
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 12:37 PM

I think in Kent you will at least find most folkies have fond-ish memories of the original Star Trek series


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Llanfair
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 12:41 PM

Trekkies do tend to be the ones who go to conventions dressed as Borg, or are learning Klingon opera, and I wouldn't go that far. I have loved Science Fiction since I was a teenager, and had access to "Amazing" magazine, and others. I read Anne McCaffrey, Asimov, well, anything, really. I don't like the fantasy stuff where everyone has unmemorable names, but I'm crazy about new ideas and notions. Funnily enough, I've never been able to get into "Lord of the Rings" Nowadays, calling it sci-fi is considered naff. Hwyl, Bron. (Oh, and "Live long and Prosper!!!)


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: teller
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 01:46 PM

May the farce be with you!!! ( misprint is NOT a misprint - merely a print of questionable gender, as is the 'joke', questionable I mean, not of quest....oh forget it!)


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Margo
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 03:06 PM

I have enjoyed star trek for years. Used to get home from work just in time to grab a bite and turn on Star Trek. We'd comment on how Spock would view a real life situation, with objectivity. Love the line spoken by an alien to a human, "You ugly bag of mostly water!". That is what I feel like some days...........

Margarita


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 03:36 PM

I got through a lot of fillings without lidocaine because of Mr Spock. I must have had 30-some fillings put in without it and never got a shot until I was 38. ('There is no pain. I am a Vulcan. Ow! Shit! There is no pain.') (Yes, I was quite aware I wasn't a Vulcan - it just seemed to be a necessary part of the littany.)

I know it's weird, but I actually learned how to control pain to some extent, because of a television show.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Matthew B.
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 08:06 PM

I am and it pisses me off that they're thinking of cutting Voyager to six seasons.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 08:20 PM

Star Wars has always ruled my galaxy (and my 13-yr old Jedi-wannabe's!)more than Star Trek. But Next Generation kept my attention for a few seasons. I dunno- I'm an avid fantasy reader but science fiction has to be pretty corny for me to enjoy it, I guess!
Allison


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: alison
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 08:31 PM

I like the original..... Captain kirk was a hunk (note please that I said "was"... and I was young at the time)

However I live with a trekkie who gets very annoyed when they take Bab 5 etc off to replace it with cricket.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Colin The Whistler
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 08:33 PM

I give in,,,what's the connection !!!!!

Beam me up Seager

Colin The Whistler Ballygally


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 08:34 PM

Rick, you know about filk, right? Your message prompted me to go off on a filk file reading toot, and I almost posted "Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Hackers," but it didn't have anything to do with Star Trek, or "The New Generation Tango," which does have something to do with Star Trek, but is really long. I think I'll stop and breathe now.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: McKnees
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 10:44 PM

I prefer the term Trekker but that would be spliting hairs. I have noticed that up to now no one has referred to the woeful Bilbo Baggins performed by Leonard Nimoy or Data's, Brent Spiner, Old yellow eyes, which was only marginally better. I have read everything written by Anne McCaffrey and eagerly await the arrival of the Dragon series on TV later this year. Bab 5 and now Crusader I am enjoying but nothing will better Next Gen and the joy of seeing Trek back on the screens after such a long time. The Greed of Paramount is only surpassed by it's stupidity as I and my friends watched the passing of NG and DS9. I wore a dress uniform for the first time at the ceildh at our scottish convention this year = oh well maybe I am a trekkie after all.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 11:02 PM

I admit to a real love of good sci-fi. Star Trek has some wonderful episodes--and I've taped many of 'em. Harlan Ellison penned the episode "THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER"---and that's an all-timw favorite from the original series. Also "Balance Of Terror"---sort of a space version of the film "RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP".

The Next Generation shows were often great. One like "The Inner Light" was real art. And the episode called "The Family" hit me and my brother right where we live.

And I used to read the __Lord Of The Rings__ once a year in the 70s; sure ought to get back to it. For those who never got into it, or just didn't like it, try to see it as being about a war that was worth fighting ---like World War 2 was worth fighting. I know that's hard to believe for many raised in the Viet Nam era or with the sensibilities of "peace & love" as absolutes to live your lives by. Sometimes things can be a bit more obviously "right vs. wrong" than at other historical moments on the time line when shades of gray are all over the landscape. I always felt gray was just fine and quite beautiful---especially for film noir. But I needed a fantasy like __Forest Gump__ to show me some real (and humorous) aspects of the 60s & 70s I'd not realized before.

Sci-fi, fantasy, surrealist, all of it. Unreality is a great way to shed light on today's problems without ruffling feathers with too real and overly graphic depictions that turn off an audience before one's points are made.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 11:11 PM

Well stroked Art.

Spaw
..........Off subject PS: Monday at 10:15 if you get HBO, trhere's a Lenny Bruce documentary......don't know anything about it, except it's on....catspaw


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 08 Aug 99 - 11:29 PM

I sent this once and lost it. Hope this one gets through.

I am not so much a Trekker as I am a Sci Fi, fantasy fan. I prefered Next Generation to the original. Better stories with a few exceptions, and better character development. More complete anyway. DS9 didn't blow my skirt but I liked Voyager a lot. Never caught the Bab 5 bug but rerun Dr Who and I'm glued.

Charles Vess and Greenman press have a roo short but wonderful series of comic books based on the Child ballads. "Sagas and Ballads" may be found in back issues at better comic shops. Great sequential art in black and white covers "Tam Lin", "Twa Corbies" most notably.

I like Robert Heinlein for pure Sci Fi but Zelazny's "Amber" stories have a ballad quality that appeals to me. The "Fahfrd and Grey Mouser" stories read like Townes Van Zandt's "Silver Ships of Andilar" and "Our Mother The Mountain".

Maybe a new thread here. ( sorry if this is a repeat)

Don


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 07:55 AM

Speaking of early Shatner, anyone remember the "Thriller" tv series (c.1961) hosted by Boris Karloff? Bill Shatner was the "star" of the episode "The Grim Reaper" -- probably the first time I ever saw him on tv. (I have a videotape of it -- anyone know where I can get a copy of the episode "La Strega"?)

I didn't become enamored of the original Star Trek series until it was in syndication in the early '70s. And then I stopped watching tv in 1983. My favorite episodes were David Gerrold's "The Trouble with Tribbles" and Harlan Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever."

Linn the Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 08:11 AM

Hi, Don! The thing I don't like that much about DS9 is, while the original Star Trek, and TNG had many plots about sociological issues, and had twists where things were far different from what they seemed, DS9 is pretty much about bad guys vs. good guys, battles, suspicion and nastiness - no one ever seemed to turn out better than what you thought they were like. Voyager is more like the original ST and TNG, but has slipped into the routine bad-aliens-try-to-take-over-the-ship plot line quite a few times.

B5 - loved it, but I have to catch the last season on re-runs.

For those who like intelligent urban fantasy incorporating folk mythology and music, read Charles DeLindt. His book 'The Little Country' has a Northumbrian smallpiper as the hero, and includes some of his fiddle tunes at the end. (He's a fiddler.) Everything I've read by him has been masterfully written.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Lesley N.
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 09:04 AM

I am a trekkie (trekker being a later politically correct term I have never liked!) from the time of the original series. How come no one has mentioned The Devil in the Dark? - "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor - not a bricklayer!"

I never watched the other series with much regularity. But I absolutely loved "Inner Light" (I read on a Compuserve forum that the music was a variant of Skye Boat Song") And there was an episode that ended with Patrick Stewart singing Minstrel Boy... There's the folk connection!

Been a sci-fi reader even longer. Started with Edgar Rice Burroughs (not when he originally published, thank you) Van Vogt, Simak, Zelazny. I don't read much now in the genre (C. S. Friedman and Feist being the exceptions) - I think it's deteriorated. Of course a lot of people disagree - if sci-fi readers were morris dancers that line might start a fight in a bar!


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 09:33 AM

Ok, now I know. "Trekkie" is the old term - "Trecker" is the new one. Perhaps I should start calling myself a "folker" (which reminds me of a WW2 joke). Hmmmm, lemme see if I get this? Yuppies are now yuppers? I guess poppies would be poppers? Ladies would become laders (hence laderhosen). Just kidding.

Actually I'm not someone who has ever been bothered by so-called "political correctness". Just never figured it was that difficult to change a few words around if it made a lot of people feel better.

Anyway, the reason I started this, was I wanted to know if any music (folk or otherwise) has ever been used in "Star Trek" and it's spin-offs. I've seen very few of them, but know that the alien cultures are often a part of the stories. Just wondered what Vulcans or Borgs (Bjorn and Victor) listen to. I'm sure it's not William Shatner.
By the way, he was in the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. Think it was called "Terror at 20,000 feet" or something. An old Twilight zone.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: teller
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 09:37 AM

If sci-fi readers were Morris Dancers they'd be wearing starter motor's round their ankles, instead of bells, and the 'obby 'oss would bear a passing likeness to Gul Ducot! The music would sound uncannily like Klingon opera, the beer would taste like nothing on earth ( replicated rubbish.......but that's about right anyway!) and there would be too many fingers and and not enough ears to stick 'em in!! Kepp folk tradition earth bound, Jim! Teller.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 10:23 AM

I'm thinkin' Borgs probably like pop music - "YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE." Then again they seem to have no personalities. They probably have elevator music piped into their regeneration chambers.

Vulcans seem to like classical music. I also remember one original star trek episode where the Enterprise hosted a bunch of intersteller hippies and Spock played a harp thingie.

One episode or TNG -'The Inner Light- had an alien probe zapping Picard and causing him to live an entire lifetime in an extinct culture. There was a great deal of music, mostly involving a 'Ressikan flute,' which bore more than a passing resemblance to a Copeland pennywhistle.

More about the episode and some photos here

A midi of the beautiful (but too short, and it's sequenced in 'A' instead of nice whistle-friendly 'D' too, durn it!) tune is here


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 10:44 AM

I do believe it was Colm Meaney who sang "Minstrel Boy" in the episode you're thinking of...

My favorite Sci-fi novel of all time, by far, has got to be __EARTH ABIDES__ by George R. Stewart.

Also: __THE POWER__ by Frank M. Robinson Lippencott-1956). It's set in Chicago in those days and has some spectacular scenes around the city I grew up in like the old Riverview Amusement Park. A film version with Michael Rennie should've been a ton better than it was, and why they transposed it to California I'll never know. I have a signed copy of the book inscribed to me by Frank "No Exit---1971". Frank and Halan Ellison used to frequent the spot back then...

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 10:47 AM

Frank Robinson was also the "Playboy Advisor" for about 10 years.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Robin
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 03:28 PM

Wow- lots of interesting posts, but not many filkers reading this list! Filk (mentioned in an earlier post by Jeri) is the SF folk music genre- lots of Trek stuff and much much more. Try searching on "filk" or reading rec.music.filk (they just posted a FAQ), check out The Virtual Filksing: http://www.prometheus-music.com/eli/virtual.html. A fairly well known filker named Roberta Rogow has an album in production titled "Still Trekking After All These Years". If you are an SF fan and music-lover and have not checked out filk, it is a lot of fun- R.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: bbc
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 04:16 PM

We watch the tv shows & see the movies, but really *love* reading fantasy scifi (David & I). Have all the Anne McCaffrey Pern books, but really like Mercedes Lackey's Heralds of Valdemar better. Have tried to get into Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover books w/ the help of Susan of DT. They're good, but are a bit old & moldering, physically. No reflection on Susan--just the age of the books. Jack Chalker's Wellworld books are pretty interesting--particularly for those of us who read fast. There's several of them! We have to have a book going all the time here.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: annamill
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 05:34 PM

Now I know for sure that I've reached a place I can relax for a while.

I fell in love and would have left my now ex-husband for Harlan Ellison when I read Shatterday. I'm a trekkie from way back. I think the only time I ever wrote to the networks was when they pre-empted Star Trek. The first time they took it off the air I freaked.

I have read and love everything Asimov ever wrote. Even "Over the Edge". Even his non-fiction. Did you know when he was alive his phone was listed in the Boston phone book? I never could get up the nerve to call though. What would I say? I love you?

Wild story.. after reading Azimov for ever, I read anything with his name on it. One time I was in a library and found an old book called "The Oceans of Venus" by our hero. Of course, I took it home and started reading. About one quarter the way through, I knew what was going happen before it happened. Then it slowly dawned on me that I had read this before. When I was very young..it is possible that this book was the reason for my love for SF. I think it was, but I had forgotten it. I only remembered scenes from it.

"Amazing" magazine and "Azimov" magazine were regular favorites of mine. My first Anne McCaffrey, "The Crystal Singer" was amazing, but her Dragon stories were my favorites for a very long time. I didn't know she had a show coming to the set. Now I'll watch for it. I don't get to TV very often. Only on Wednesday at 9PM.

I'm in great company.

Love, annap


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Lesley N.
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 05:40 PM

Teller - You've just created the best idea yet for the NEXT Star Trek spinoff! Morris in Deep Space (though most people will think it's the cat...)

Art - I do believe Meaney also sang Minstrel Boy somewhere. I wish I could remember the episode.. At the very end Picard is sitting at his desk with space in background and the credits begin shortly after he starts to sing. Here I am, an original trekkie and I remember the music more than anything else about the episode... I shall have to stop calling myself a trekkie/er - but then I have heard you really aren't considered one until you've been to a convention (and probably dressed up as well). I'll have to check out Earth Abides - the comments at Amazon were extremely interesting.

Jeri - [possible Wellworld spoiler alert!] I loved the first few volumes of Jack Chalker's Wellworld series. But the man falls in love with woman - then man becomes woman sort of freaked me out... I prefer Nathan Brazil to Nathan Brazier... Call me conservative... (and I'm not usually). BTW, the Star Trek album has a beautiful rendition of the Orchestral Suite from The Inner Light.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 05:42 PM

Reisling, the minstrel of the spacelanes-----I think a story or a book about this guy & his guitar---a bluecollar workin' stiff on the spaceliners----died saving others---with his song on his lips. HEINLEIN I think. And it was made into a pretty good radio episode of "X Minus One"

Art


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Llanfair
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 05:55 PM

Don't forget "The Ship Who Sang". That is one hell of a story, I cried buckets!!!! I think that the surrealism of SF helps us to develop open minds, and that is necessary for the kinds of music we like. Having said that, I'm listening to Jeff Wayne's war of the Worlds as I type. Early SF set to music......Great!! Hwyl, Bron.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 06:04 PM

Leslie, that was bbc who wrote about Wellworld.

The episode of Star Trek with Colm Meaney singing 'The Minstrel Boy' might have been 'Hero Worship' from season 5? The captain of another starship is running around blasting Cardassians. Picard has to stop him. O'Brien knows the guy from a long time back and swears he can't possibly be doing anything wrong. The song is significant to the plot in that the renegade captain thinks loyalty is what it's about (no matter how ethically wrong what he's doing is.)
"Tho' all the world betrays thee,
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
One faithful harp shall praise thee!"


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Bev Lawton
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 09:03 PM

I'm with you Rick - been a Trekkie and Folkie all my life. I have a folkie mate who is a complete Trekkie nut - he has every and I do mean every episode on tape - interesting wallpaper when you se a 20 x 8 foot wall COMPLETELY covered by shelves and video tapes. Live long and prosper. Bev Lawton


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Matthew B.
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 09:15 PM

Why am I not surprised to see that so mny 'catters loved the Inner Light episode? That episode blew me away with its depth and heart.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Craig
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 10:28 PM

Art, I believe your thinking of The Green Hills of Earth by Heinlein. My favorite story of his is The Door Into Summer. I think I started reading him in the early 60's.
The best writer (I believe) right now is David Brin. His stories are fresh and interesting with a lot of thought going into them.
Like most of you I am also a Star Trek fan. I still enjoy watching the original shows and The Next Gen. although I have given up on DS9, but Voyager still catches my every once in a while.
I got hooked on The Lord of the Rings on a road trip in '68 and have reread several more times. Can't get enough.

Craig


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 11:36 PM

Art is indeed thinking of "The Green Hills of Earth" by Robert Heinlein. I have seen recordings of the song atributed to his character Rhysling or Reisling, never sure how its spelled unless its right in front of me. Art must remember the X Minus One episode better than the short story. Rhysling played an accordion and was blinded due to a reactor accident. The rest is pretty close. There are also recordings of music from Mark Schultz's "Xenozoic Tales" available at comic shows and through Bud Plants catalog.

For the Filkers there is a Rock and Blues band of comic book professionals called "Seduction of the Innocent". Pretty good from most accounts.

Don


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 12:44 AM

Haven't kept up with 'Trek since my TV died; I was sorry Voyager evolved offthe Pixie but kept the troll -- green and orange aren't my colors. I will catch up someday.

Anybody else gobble down the "Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter" books? (Laurell Hamilton) Vampires have civil rights, and you can't kill them without a court order; anita is the official executioner, except this king of the vampires has the hots for her .. o well, you just have to read them, if that grabs you.

Can't wait to try other recommendations off the list.

MA


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 08:20 AM

Joe Bethancourt had recorded an album of songs from the series of short stories written by Manly Wade Wellman, entitled "Who Fears The Devil" (re-released as "Silver John The Balladeer" Baen Books, ISBN 0-671-65418-7) Some songs are traditional, and some were written by Wellman and married to trad tunes by Joe.

Joe's web page on the album

I would love to get my hands on the book!


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: black walnut
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 09:03 AM

rick, rick, rick,

i never knew you had an interest in star trek! my boychild could answer ANY of your questions, but he's in germany this month. perhaps in the fall....

when my boychild was a baby, we used to stick him in the high chair at supper while we attended to star trek reruns. he didn't have a chance. you should see his klingon mask with the long flowing hair, and the big helium enterprise hanging from his bedroom ceiling. his goal after high school is to attend klingon college, and then work in computers. he can already speak klingon quite fluently. for relaxation, he plays star trek songs on the piano. we know all the trek shows. my favourite character is data. favourite epidisode? one of the best is certainly 'inner inner light'. i can lend you the music, rick. it's gorgeous.

well, i can lend it to you if my son lets me. maybe you could play the 'inner light' song on your show for him. you don't know you know me, but you do. song circle, the woods, dulcimer, harp....sound familiar? ttyl.

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 11:32 AM

Walnut! Dulcimer, harp? Oh please say you're not Tam Kearney! Unfortunately failing brain cells usually ensure that I'm not be able to put two and two together, but I got an idea that Jeff M. may have thrown a chord or two your way!
How's it goin? By the way, Larkin's got a new album, and it's great.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From:
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 11:33 AM

Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor, not a folksinger!


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: black walnut
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 12:45 PM

who wrote that last one??? i sure wish i'd said it.

tam? geesh!!! you were right the second time.

doing great here! just got back from the goderich festival...it was amazing, despite wind and rain. and the woods is a mere 8 days away. tick. tick. tick. sorry, fellow mudcatters. should rick and i be talking on another line?!

well, back to the thread...perchance i can borrow your larkin for you borrowing my boychild's star trek?

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Bert
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 01:53 PM

If it's not sci-fi what is it called nowadays.

Not that it matters, I love it all from 'The Quatermass Experiment to Dr Who, Star Treck, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Red Dwarf (my personal favorite, I didn't think ANYTHING could surpass Dr Who, But Smeggin 'ell, it does)

And what happened to that one called, what was it? 'Space Rangers' or something. That looked real down to earth and realistic.

Bert
P.S. when are they going to make a series from 'Enemy Mine'?


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Dave
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 02:28 PM

Don't remember the episode, but Patrick Stewart sang "Heart Of Oak"..... Got one or two of my son's friends into listening to sea chantys, old drinking songs etc....


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 06:03 PM

Yes there is an overlap between SF and folk music-- best example of that is one Michael F. Flynn wrote some years ago in Analog where some people show up and watch the contest of John Henry vs. the steam drill. I don't know if it's been collected in a short story collection but it should have been. (Probably not the BEST example, but I loved it) and of course Heinlein DID create Noisy Rhysling in Green Hills; he makes a cameo appearance in Time Enough for Love too. . . and the Manly Wade Wellman stories about Soiver John and Eliz. Scarborough's Phantom Banjo series. . . the list goes ever on. Did you know that Donald Swann (of Flanders and) set a whole bunch of songs from the Ring cycle to music and called it The Road Goes Ever On. He did. PETE


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 09:55 PM

Hi there Black Walnut. You can talk to me anytime you want. Fraid I've never been a "trek" fan though. Just never watched enough of them to work up much interest. When I was a kid I read almost no Sci-fi - mostly British history (and myth) and baseball books. Later I graduated to the "Fabulous Furry Freak Bros. and R. Crumb".
Regarding your "who said that" query: if the anonymous poster is traddy and informative it's Bruce O. If they're confusing and cryptic, it's gargoyle, and sometimes the damn name thing just doesn't work! Welcome to Mudcat.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 10:17 PM

Rick,

You can't mean Tam Kearney from The Friend of Fiddler's Green.

Don


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Max
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 10:24 PM

When I first got into the folk scene, I was amazed at how many folks were also into computers. I researched and learned that the active parts of the mind when learning and playing music were the same when doing mathematics. In college, there was no doubt that those best at math were also very fine musicians. I use MATH as trigger simply because I associate it with nerd which I also associate with Star Trek. It does not surprise me of the connection between nerds and folkies any longer.

Yes, I am a trekkie (though a real trekkie would call me an amateur), a nerd (blue blood) and a folkie (wanna be).


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 12:48 AM

Jeri: I've mentioned Charles de Lint, before, too. I love his books. And, bbc, get some non-mouldy copies of MZB's Darkover series, they are fantastic, and incredible world she created. You know Mercedes Lackey got her start through MZB? She was also related to her, if I remember right, through marriage or something.

True story, the one and only rejection letter I was willing to fram came from MZB, herself, with a personally written note and comment! (The story was too romantic for her Sword & Soceress anthologies.)

I really love Mercedes Lackey's Heralds of the Queen and her other books, which she has authored solely alone.

My son was in heaven when I met Rog, as he was so much a Trekkie, he had a hardcover, oversized book on all things original Star Trek. Later on, after we'd married & he adopted the kids, he gave that book to Colin. he still cherishes it. Rog also had a TRS80, which the kids were really proud..only ones in their school to have a computer back then. We received two television stations,one of which was PBs, so the kids grew up on Star Trek, TRS80 games, and Dr. Who.

There was a Dr. Who which had a monster like character called the boomawngee(sp). It scared my girls. When we went to the carwash and the big, long strips of canvas began to swish and sway their way towards our car, with us in it, soap and water splashing and running down teh windows, my son called out, "It's the boomawngee!" Scared teh girls half to death, but when we go to the carwash, we all remember & laugh about the boomawngee getting us.

I really got into TNG, liked DS9, couldn't stand the first season of it though, and have never taken to Voyager. DS9 and the whole interrealtionship of the Borg and Jean Luc was intense and mind-opening.

Well, Rick, you sure got us all to talking!

kat


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 03:20 AM

I don't think I've watched a complete Star Trek since NBC killed the original series; I used to watch it most weeks if I didn't have anything better to do (I usually didn't). Dr. Who is a taste I could never understand: it kind of reminded me of "Plan 9 from Outer Space." Art, "Earth Abides," if not the best SciFi ever, certainly blows all the rest of the post-apocalypse stories away. Ish and his hammer, right? Stewart also wrote "Fire" and "Storm"--I read "Earth Abides" because I liked "Fire" so much. We used to have "Storm" around the house, too, but it disappeared before I had a chance to read it (Kratz, that's what libraries are for!).

But my real favorites growing up were Thorn(e?) Smith novels. Fantasy, not SF, but with what seemed to me at the time to be a revolutionary attitude toward sex--it's fun! --seed


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: black walnut
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 08:45 AM

yes, don. tam k. of 'the friends' is who we mean. tam is a regular at our song circle and other local folk events. do you know him too?

re: sci-fi. as a teenager, the sci-fi section of the library was a magnet to me. how many countless times did i read bradbury's 'martian chronicles'? my dad and i used to watch all the original star treks together, and then the movies as they came out one by one. my dad played bagpipes too...so, maybe folk and sci-fi do connect. my head has lots of space (worth exploring?), that's for sure.

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 09:04 AM

I heard on the news, yesterday, that William Shatner's wife died of an accidental drowning. Apparently he came home, found her in the swimming pool and it was too late. Really sad. Too bad holodecks aren't real.

kat


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:22 AM

Poor Bill. What a sad event. The guy's put up with a lot of kidding from us all over the years. He does have a sense of humour about it though, as anyone who saw the hilarious bit on "Larry Sanders" can attest.

Our sympathies. It'll be a very rough time.
Rick


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: annamill
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:24 AM

MAX SAID:

I use MATH as trigger simply because I associate it with nerd which I also associate with Star Trek. It does not surprise me of the connection between nerds and folkies any longer.

Max, I really don't think Math can be associated with loving SF and/or loving Star Trek. It would, however, explain my total lack of talent with musical instruments. I'm terrible at Math, but have a strong love for anything SF.

Maybe it's from another angle. Maybe some people love SF for the explicit and creative detail many writers express in their stories. This may appeal to the people who have good math skills and consider themselves nerds. Maybe others, like myself, love it for the totally abstract creation of other worlds. It would appeal to the sense of adventure. Creative details, abstract creativity. Interesting thought.

As for nerdizm, well, I don't think I'm a nerd in the true sense of the word. (I have a strong fondness and respect for nerds) While true, I'm a programmer/analyst, it bores me and I only do it for money. I'd much rather be bartending. This also may be explained by my lack of Mathmatical skills.

Maybe it's the same with Folk music. Maybe some love and remember all the facts, details, words, actual music (chords, picking, etc) and the beauty of the stories they tell.

Maybe some of us, like me, cannot remember all the facts, words, technical music, but love the stories and the creativity of the music, and the appreciation of what the former group can do.

Two different types of appreciation? Heck, maybe there's ever more that two types.

Hey, I'm on vacation. I don't have to think!

Love, annap (actually loves thinking)


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:41 AM

Don. I've known Tam now for so long, it's hard to believe he's not a native Torontonian. He is flat out the finest traditional singer in Toronto. AND one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's been through a lot over the last 3 or 4 years, but seems to have weathered it. Mudcatter Michael Miland even ordered a custom Laskin guitar with Tam's "Face" inlayed in pearl on it!! Now that's immortality! If mike stops by this thread perhaps he'll explain it.

rick

Max. English songwriter (and much recorded guy) Harvey Andrews on his last visit to Toronto, seriously took me to task, for decribing myself as a nerd. "That's sooo negative Rick, you should have more confidence in yourself, lad!" I tried to explain that some of us have this weird take on life where we see "the norm" as being somewhat restrictive, and often use self-depricating terms in a kind of hip-positive way - the way two black guys would call each other "nigger", or gay folk would use the word "queer", in a positive way. Kind of taking the ammunition away from those from those who would pump epithets at us.
Poor Harvey, he just couldn't see it! I told him that I'd always loved "unpopular music", and found "weirdos" to be the most interesting friends to have, and he practically had an apoplectic fit! He has no idea why a lot of us use a bit of "code" in our speech-patterns. But it's fun, ain't it?

Rick


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:44 AM

I've been with things folk for my whole life (so far).
I've always loved good Sci-Fi.
But math and this old folkie/trekkie has always been anathema. I mean, I always had to open my fly to count to 22. (see what I mean?)

Art


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Bert
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:49 AM

Not 23?


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 12:00 PM

Jeez Art I'm really sorry about that. Did it happen in the war?


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: annamill
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 01:09 PM

Art, you completely disprove the idea that lack of math skills could have anything to do with musical talent. Ok, I'll have to look elsewhere for an excuse for my lack thereof.

Love, annap


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Annecat
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 09:36 PM

Allright, I don't really have the right to call myself either Trekkie OR Folkie, but I have an aspiring love of both, so I think I'll be so bold as to throw in my two (or three, or four) cents here. I'm not a Voyager fan - find it predictable and I just don't love the characters - but I watch the original series for laughs and the occasional good, good, surprisingly good episode, and I'm really into Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. I think I like them best because there's so much humanity, emotion, real conflict and tough choices...meanwhile it's all set in this background of creative, mind-opening worlds. Makes me appreciate the fruitful minds behind it. I love the episode many of you referred to earlier, where Miles O'Brien (Colm Meaney) sings Minstrel Boy. In fact, that is what single-handedly got me started on the whole folk music thing. No kidding, I just had to learn that song, and then more, and more, and more... Still don't have any clue about most of the songs you guys mention, though I hope to in time. Thanks for listening to me ramble. Oh, and Jeri: Thanks so much for mentioning the Manly Wade Wellman books. I couldn't remember author or title, only that I'd read one of the short stories and have been hoping to someday find the rest by chance. Thanks!!! As far as Sci-fi in general goes, I enjoy it bunches. My BIG interest, though, is really in fantasy: Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, Enchanted Forest Chronicles, Anne McCaffrey, Jane Yolen, etc. But it's great to find so many others hopelessly addicted to Trek and other creative works. ~Annecat.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: GUEST,el matto
Date: 26 May 00 - 04:40 PM

The episode was "The Wounded", it was Captain Benjamin Maxwell. Just thought you might want to know the exact details. I am 100% sure this is the episode.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Mbo
Date: 26 May 00 - 04:43 PM

It is, El Matto. It also reappears in the final episode of Star Trek:Deep Space Nine "What You Leave Behind" in a heart-breaking moment. It almost made me cry.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: SDShad
Date: 26 May 00 - 05:21 PM

Well, I come down on the "Babylon 5" side of the Great Fandom Divide, and daily curse Warner's and TNT for all their meddling in B5 and Crusade, but I am and always have been a Star Trek fan as well.

Plus: Tolkien, Orson Scott Card, Dr. Who, Red Dwarf (a bit), Quantum Leap, Sliders, Stargate:SG1, Earth:Final Conflict, Highlander (The Series), Harlan Ellison, Neal Stephenson, Douglas Adams, Guy Gavriel Kay, to name a few.

And while it's been about 10 years since I've done any, I am also a leather carver, Rick, and still have all my tools.

Yep, that's me, Swivel-Knife Shad.

Chris


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 02:31 PM

This has got to be the perfect time to refresh this enlightenging thread, thoughtfully launched by Rick Fielding over 2 years ago...

It's original title: "Shatner Sings Dylan"

Somehow the title got changed after that.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 04:14 PM

How about some rousing Klingon songs to refresh this thread!


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 04:26 PM

Great idea! Got lyrics?

- LH


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 05:22 PM

puHmeyghom:
bom mu' ghItlhpu' eugene pottIer
QoQ qonpu' pIerre Degeyter
mughwI' challoD

yIbom wa'logh wa'Dich:
Qongvo' pevem vumwI'
peQam Dochmeyrajqama'pu'
Daw'meq maQoyqu' 'ej
lojbej rIntaH ngebwI'poH
Sov muj yIwoD
toy'wI''a'pu' yIQam
DaH lurDech ngo' wIchoH rIntaH 'ej
chuvwi' wIwoDmeH tev wISuq

yIbomqa': maghommoH vajjuppu'
may' Qav wIqaDmoH
tlhInganSegh ghomqu' puHmeyghom

That is The Internationale in Klingon, from thi site where you can also get it in all sorts of other languages, some with audio. Sadly there isn't an audio version of the Klingon rendering.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 08:47 PM

I dunno. Would having attended a few conventions, and having watched some of the series make me a "Trekkie"?

I don't think so, but if so, I am both a "Folkie" and a "Trekkie".

Currently, I get no TV at all, so I couldn't watch even if I thought about doing so (which I don't).

Happily living sans television.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM

I'm what I call a "Space Folkie"

*Singing*
"Some people call me a space folkie (fweeet fweeeew)
"Some call me the gangster of love..."

;-)

I'm into all kinds of SPECULATIVE FICTION...


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 11:41 PM

A lot of references on this old thread to
"Amazing" magazine.
Also some to "Analog". I've just been introduced to those things,
which were decades ago, so I missed them the first time around.

Are you all aware that Steven Spielberg, in one of his many ventures
away from the big feature films,
went for "Amazing Stories"?
He has stated in at least one interview,
that when he was very young,
his father would read to him from "Amazing Stories."

So Spielberg attempted a re-iteration, I think for the small screen.
There are people in television-land attempting to continue,
although Spielberg has moved on since.

And the reason this got my attention in the first place:
I have been watching, on and off,
the ABC network fantasy show "Once Upon A Time" -- lasted seven seasons, just ended.
The "Once Upon A Time" showrunners were Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis,
who were alumnae of the network show "Lost", of its writers that is.

Although Horowitz and Kitsis have said that they need a little break
to catch their breath and be around their families
after seven straight years of weekly television episode writing,
there is now a "TV-Line" report

that "Amazing Stories," whatever TV people have it now,
have approached Kitsis and Horowitz to work there.
This is not a main network though -- something online instead?


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 06:44 PM

I was positive I replied to this a couple days ago but I don't see it herenow. I remember the Spielberg "Amazing Stories" show as a good one although none of the episodes stick in my mind. What does stick is the intro, where some hale examples of 'early man' around a campfire listen in rapture to a skinny oldster obviously spinning a yarn with gesticulations. Then the photo computer graphics of the 80s take the images into various story configurations including into the future.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 07:48 PM

You're correct, robomatic.
That is a newer thread in the BS section
which was the first thread you responded to.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 07:55 PM

Folklore: Sources of Fairy Tales

Darmok

Works for me.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 09:50 AM

Totz. When I was on my (cough, cough) Star Trek cruise, there were people with portable instruments everywhere.


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Subject: RE: Any 'Trekkies' also Folkie fans?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 01:52 PM

BBC radio
Star Trek - The Undiscovered Future

"How far have we voyaged towards Star Trek's vision of the future and what of it is likely to be fulfilled or remain undiscovered in the next 50 years?

Kevin Fong presents archive material of the likes of Leonard Nimoy (Spock) and Nichelle Nichols (Lieutenant Uhura) talking about the inception and filming of the original Star Trek series, and their thoughts about Roddenberry's vision of the future and its impact in the United States at the time."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07rh18q


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3yvdp3zQJWLtl204z9nxgRt/download-the-iplayer-radio-app 
(then click the '+' on the programme's web page
then on the app click
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