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Subject: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 05:54 PM

To quote my 12-yr-old son:

This guy has nothing on shatner

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/2310413.html

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 06:17 PM

Well the notes say the kid hashad a promising career ahead; but I guess if he's gonna do the Shat he'll need to get fat 'n dumpy and that'll probably spoil him for romantic roles - or macho ones.

Too bad.

Tsk.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:01 PM

Tragic. Just tragic. They have totally lost their way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:24 PM

Good. We need new blood. I always liked Picard better anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 08:05 PM

Oh! That hurts! How can you be so unkind to poor Bill? I mean, yes, Picard is undeniably great, and Patrick Stewart is a hell of a good actor and he's loaded with charisma of a particularly subtle and effective sort....but can he match the timeless Shatner tactics of the flying drop kick and the insoucient smirk? Not to mention the casual quips in times of maximum stress and the slick flirtation ploys he comes up with when encountering those slinky Romulan female commanders...


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 09:12 PM

Poor old Bill, poor old Bill,
He never had it and he never will....


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 09:15 PM

Tell old Bill if he comes home this mornin'
Tell old Bill if he comes home this evenin', so soon,
Tell old Bill if he comes home
To leave them Romulan women alone
This mornin', this evenin', so soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: astro
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 09:24 PM

I don't think those Romulan women had it over the Klingon women...clever versus powerful....what a dilemma...how to choose? No wonder, Bill overacted...he was overheated...


(Just a side note, I use to park in his spot, marked by a small sign which said TekWar, while waiting for my ex...she worked for L. Tomlin. He was always nice about it if I was there when he drove in, but his wife was not so nice...more Klingon than Romulan, I believe).

Astro of Tucson and LA...

may you all live long and whatever....


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 09:45 PM

Klingon women were a force to be reckoned with, all right. They either smouldered or they outright breathed fire! WHOOF!!! Yep, Bill had a lot to contend with out there in the far reaches of the galaxy, but he never failed to rise to the occasion...or so I'm told.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 10:10 PM

What is known to very few (and only lately revealed) is that Amanda, Spock's "human" mother, actually carried Vulcan genes through her great-great grandmother. Amanda had a fling (while married to Sarek, Spock's putative father) with a young man from Starfleet Academy. Her Vulcan genes prevailed in the offspring, who Sarek thought his own.

Yes, James T. Kirk was actually Mr. Spock's father!


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 10:28 PM

Sounds entirely plausible, and it could account for the deep rapport and the lasting friendship between them. Anyway, Kirk fathered so many children all through the quadrant that they could have populated an entire small planet within a generation or two.

Just think: Shatneria? Shatner World? Or just plain "Shat". What a great name for a small planet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 01:27 AM

Quite profligate wasn't he? Do ya know what they'd say if a woman captain behaved so licentiously?!

No one matches Picard's voice...it melts, it impassions, it arouses, send shivers up and down one's spine and nether regions...Oh J-e-a-n L-u-c...


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 02:14 AM

They'd say some rather rude things, I imagine. ;-)

Yeah, Picard's got a voice that could launch a thousand ships...no problem at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: John O'L
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 02:30 AM

This Pine kiddie doesn't look as if he's old enough to be in command of a tricycle, let alone a starship. I reckon Q will have him for breakfast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 08:39 AM

Well, I reckon he's better looking than Shatner. The question is - can he ACT better than Shatner?


















Not that difficult really..............


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Ernest
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 02:22 PM

If he`d act better than Shatner....













...the movie wouldn`t be fun.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 03:50 PM

I hate to drop a cigar butt in the punch bowl, but as I recall, it wasn't Kirk the the female Romulan commander had the hots for, it was Spock. The episode is called, "The Enterprise Incident."

As hard-core Trekkies know, it was Jeffrey Hunter that Gene Roddenberry wanted in command of the Enterprise—as Captain Christopher Pike. But Hunter's wife had a hissy-fit over the idea of her husband starring in some trashy sci-fi series (dumb broad!), and when they finally sold the series and went into production, Hunter was unavailable.

The network execs also had a cow at the idea of a woman on the bridge at all, much less as second in command of a starship, and they especially didn't like Number One (played by Majel Barrett, who was later cast as Nurse Chappell), because she was brainy, competent, and highly logical, hence, "unfeminine." She was intended to be the "Spock character," and Spock was originally going to be a minor character. But because of his supposed "resemblance to the Devil," the network nutballs thought he might offend some of the religious viewers and didn't like him either.

Roddenberry had used Shatner before in a series (half-hour episodes) called "The Lieutenant," and he was available. Hunter would have been very good, I think, but Shatner, despite his slicing the ham very thickly, was—okay.

I'm with Patrick Stewart. Very commanding presence, he and I have the same hairline, and like most English actors with a background in Shakespeare, he can really act!

I think it's a mistake to cast someone other that Shatner as Captain Kirk, but before we phaser him into a puddle of slime, let's give the new kid a chance.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM

I hear that Shatner has a walk on part as Jaba the Hud in the new adventure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 04:36 PM

(Inspired by something I read on another thread.)

If Shatner finally learned how to act, would that make him a "cured ham?"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 04:39 PM

Mary - it's Jabba the Hutt, but you're right - just the part for old Billy.

Don - I agree with you on Patrick Stewart, he lent the right amount of gravitas to the part.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 06:23 PM

No, it's Pizza the Hut, isn't it?

Patrick Stewart is a very, very classy actor. He has few rivals. Shatner, however, is not the mere talentless bozo that some people write him off as. He has done some pretty cool acting here and there. He has also been in some perfectly dreadful movies...such as "The White Comanche"...astoundingly bad! But, hey...the man needed the work, and he has never been afraid to lampoon himself. That's a likeable characteristic, I think. Shatner can act well, and he has done so, on occasion. He can also ham it up dreadfully, and usually does so quite deliberately and consciously, I think.

It would be amusing to see Patrick Stewart do a Shatner impression. And vice versa. A bit of a challenge in both cases, I should think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 07:45 PM

Check out "THe Brothers Karamazov" (someone will correct the spelling). One of his early over-acted emoters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 08:01 PM

To give credit where credit is definitely due, back in the 1970s, I saw a television production of Saul Levitt's play, The Andersonville Trial, in which William Shatner played a lead role as a JAG prosecutor. It was one helluva cast, including Martin Sheen, Cameron Mitchell, Richard Baseheart, Jack Cassidy, Buddy Ebsen, and Alan Hale, and it was directed by George C. Scott. It hauled off and won three 1971 Emmy Awards.

Shatner did one darn fine bit of acting in that.

What happened!??

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: astro
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 08:47 PM

I have liked him in his new role as the lawyer losing his mind...again the over the top acting which now is expected of him...Denny Crane...


Besides space opera needs over the top moments....

Astro....


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Art Thieme
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 09:12 PM

One of my fav episodes was "The City On The Edge Of Forever"----Shat did a good job but he was opposite Joan Collins and a grand script.

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 09:27 PM

Well, clearly Mr Shatner benefited in his early careers from movies that offered a good, serious script and a good, serious director. I figure it's as simple as that. He could act well if the situation merited it. He then got typecast as time went by into roles of a somewhat different sort.

He is now expected to act over-the-top whenever he appears, so he does. He's giving the public what it wants. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 09:56 PM

We-e-e-ell . . . maybe what the director wants.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 10:01 AM

Yeah, Don, that could be it. After all, if the director didn't want Mr Shatner to act the way he does in some scene, they'd just shoot it again, wouldn't they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 01:05 PM

"Shoot him again. . . ."   Jeez! Isn't that kinda drastic!??

I mean, bad acting can be pretty painful to watch sometimes, but it's hardly a capital offense.    :-/

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 01:43 PM

Ha! Oh, that is just mean. ;-) Bad acting, if it's done with real panache, can be great fun to watch. Remember those movies by the director who did "Plan Nine From Outer Space"? Now Shatner has NEVER been quite that bad, but he does bring panache to his bad acting.

Then too, consider the acting on "Three's Company". Now THERE was bad acting! Added to it was a perfectly wretched initial premise, godawful scripts, terrible running jokes repeated ad nauseum, really obnoxious characters....HOOO-WEEE! That show had it all. They should use reruns of it to elicit confessions from unrepentant serial murderers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Neil D
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 02:19 AM

That was Ed Wood who directed "Plan 9 From Outer Space". Johnny Depp played him in the movie "Ed Wood" opposite Martin Landau who won the Supporting Actor Oscar for his portrayal of Bela Lugosi. I agree that Three's Company was one of the worst shows of all time. I could never understand how it was so successful for so long. I guess its a prime example of the classic TV strategy of apealing to the lowest common denominator.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: The Badger
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 08:47 PM

He'll have to be dowsed in creosote and baked in a kiln if he is to match the acting charima of Shatner!


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 08:55 PM

Perhaps not even then. It's not easy to attain to such grandeur. Many have tried, most have fallen short.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 10:02 AM

Actually Shatner can act or could he was in the movie Judgment at Nuremburg with Spencer Tracy and Marlene Dietrich. Perhaps it is just that Shatner is giving the people and directors what they want. He doen't impress me I always preferred Jean Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) and Captain Janeway (Kate Mulgrew)I always thought Jeffrey Hunter would have been a far better choice but paramount not only wanted Shatner but basically wanted a b-grade western disguised as science-fiction. I would have liked to seen what Shatner could have done with Star trek the way Roddenberry envisioned it Neil


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Subject: RE: BS: Shatner-less Captn. Kirk Star Trek movie
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 10:13 AM

Yes, Paramount was the real problem. If they had followed Roddenberry's vision faithfully, they would have had a far higher quality show. The big networks don't want quality. They want cheap, predictable drama, because they are convinced that that is what sells.


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