BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:34 AM

I wonder if Bozzer is going to pay for the 40 imaginary hospitals with the £350 million pounds a week he promised to save? I guess we will never know as he has not got the guts to stand up to the kind of questioning that the BBC reserve for Labour politicians. Why anyone would vote for a man with no integrity, no courage and no redeeming features is beyond me. I suppose he is the pinnacle of their aspirations.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:16 AM

Oh Dear! Back to the Ad hominem attacks again.

Andrew Marr asked the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell: “You were here a little over a month ago and you were saying your manifesto, unlike many of the others, would be fully-costed. Sadly, that is not true. Is it?

“You announced that you were going to give £58billion to WASPI women. Where is that money coming from?”

More of labour in the dreamtime....... with the result of putting the economy in a nightmare.
There is a weary sense of déjà vu here. One thing Labour can always be relied on for is the destruction of the economy.
A bit of a sorry legacy! I assume anyone that votes labour has undergone a frontal lobotomy, or have totally lost the power of reason.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:48 AM

Nothing new there, Jim. The right wing press have been dressing up Tory propaganda as news for years!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:39 AM

"The catastrophe that is Labour?:
Source of information
ALAN MABUTT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:05 AM

Are bullies anything like Bullingdon boys Bonzo? You know, the ones who burn tenners in front of homeless people or stick their dicks in pigs mouths? Or are they more like the ones who force disabled people to work at inappropriate jobs or starve to death? Or maybe the uncaring, unfeeling government that turns a blind eye to food banks and rampant poverty?

I'll take my chance with the "lefties" who care more about poor people than the rich and powerful anyday. If taking money off the best paid to give to the poorest is being a "lefty bully", then count me in!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:43 AM

Absolutely Iains, these lefty bullies don't have a clue!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:34 AM

The catastrophe that is Labour?:


https://www.costofcorbyn.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgtGEx-ul5gIVx7HtCh2fWwBVEAAYASAAEgIfq_D_BwE

Marriage tax
Stealth tax on drivers
Higher INheritance tax
STEALTH TAX ON HEATING
Small Business tax
Pension Tax

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:13 AM

The failure to challenge his incessant lies by BBC interviewers and chairs of debates is utterly shameful. Every lie should be challenged every time before he's allowed to move on. If this is not happening it's setting a terrible precedent for out future political discourse.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:08 AM

I was recently discussing one of the many Johnson promises, and the failings of the media to challenge him. There is a lot of amusement in the press that this 50,000 more nurses includes 18,000 who are already employed. That is a fair point. But no-one raises the fact that currently there are 43,000 unfilled nursing positions. So his grand plan, if it completely fulfils its objectives, aims to leave us still some 11,000 nurses short.

And that is without building a single new hospital, which will presumably require some nurses.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 04:15 AM

No probs, John. Always worth reminding people that the appellation was created by his own peers rather than his enemies as well. I suppose it could be deemed a term of endearment if it wasn't applied to someone who really does think he can get away with lying through his teeth every time he opens his mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 03:59 AM

Sorry Dave, shoulda known that one! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 03:49 AM

When they have nothing left but insults and intimidation you know they fear their cause is lost!
If the polls are correct within a week we will have a brave new world and the lefties can all crawl back under their stones.

But if I call Compo a racist and anti-semite I can provide reams of evidence.
The final report from the Equality and Human Rights Commission should provide a stunning indictment of magic grandad and his party.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/07/powerful-case-jeremy-corbyn-could-anti-semitic-says-former-senior/
It has come to a pretty pass when a senior judge comes out with the above before there is even a hint of a trial.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 02:24 AM

Greased Albino Piglet. Do keep up :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 09:11 PM

That would be an ecumenical matter....

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 09:02 PM

If you approve of that shambolic, unprepared, disreputable lying charlatan, I (a) feel sorry for you, (b) suggest that you stop reading the Daily Mail.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 06:04 PM

GAP = Greatly Approved Prime Minister.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:30 PM

GAP??

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:18 PM

Of course we can trust every word that comes from the GAP and his rabble of wreckers

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 04:03 PM

Security concerns is now the serial liar's doublespeak for shit scared.
Conservative parliamentary candidate for Bolton West & Atherton Chris Green said: "Some activists working for Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party are trying to hammer down the door to the market, this is absolutely repugnant behaviour."

That is lefties for you. Nowt but a rabble!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 03:49 PM

Bozzer's now bottled it in Bolton. Security concerns is now the serial liar's doublespeak for shit scared.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:54 PM

i can't see much glee pfr - seems to me like someone plugging away at their grim , pedantic work of seeing the worst of anything positive and devoid of any hope, wit or joy.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:10 PM

Evidence Iains.. evidence...

My opinions and suspicions may be absolutely correct,
but without facts I have no case to make to any official bodies..

Hopefully though, others with the same suspicions do have vital evidence and can make an official complaint...

However, lack of evidence never stops tories making up false allegations in the media
about Corbyn and Labour intentions...!!!

But of course, you already know this and gleefully exploit the lies you are tasked to propagate..

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:06 PM

who will be in the dance off this week?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:05 PM

already happening in our constituency with ex-bnp, ex-ukip now tory candidate mark jenkinson under investigation

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 01:44 PM

I also suspect a tory voting fiddle,
where OAP care home managers take reponsibility for the postal votes
of all their residents...???

So have you reported your suspicions to the electoral commission, or are you simply making pathetic excuses for a likely labour drubbing?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 12:59 PM

Royal mail lost my mum's postal vote application form,
and the replacement didn't arrive until the day after the deadline date...

Applying instead for a proxy vote was too impractical
for our family health and mobility circumstances..

Oh well, one Labour vote will never stop the tories getting back in power,
in our South West constituencies...

But you can bet the tories will drag their unwell elderly relatives out of their death beds to vote...

I also suspect a tory voting fiddle,
where OAP care home managers take reponsibility for the postal votes
of all their residents...???

Ther are a lot of these care homes in Scrumpyshire...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 11:27 AM

Democracy is in decline if we're not vigilant.
Quite right. The lefties have never been able to accept that leave won the referendum. They have been getting up to all sorts of mischief to thwart the majority. How many thousands of squeals have we been subjected to on this forum alone?

But - Chin up!hopefully the polls are correct and Boris can continue the Magnum Opus with a spiffing majority. Having the numbers is far better than relying simply on the dark arts and alchemy. Just look how magic grandad is getting on with his dodgy Russian dossiers

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 10:13 AM

Johnathan Pie rant, as requested.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 10:04 AM

there's a thoroughly splendid rant on facebook by jonathan pie on boris johnson and his total complicity on the tory -shit show- if anyone has the ability to put it on here....? while it is a fair distillation of my feelings for the tories over the last 45 years, i am thinking it is time i tried to adopt a more laid-back attitude . it's better for my health to just laugh at the vermin - or ignore them as much as possible

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Mossback
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 10:04 AM

Alexandra Hall Hall, the British diplomat in charge of explaining Brexit to the US government, Congress and public, has resigned, saying she was no longer prepared to “peddle half-truths on behalf of a government I do not trust”.

Nile Gardiner, director for the Margaret Thatcher Centre for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, said: “It is very, very disappointing to see a British diplomat not implementing the official policy of their government.”

Dear God - the "Margaret Thatcher Centre For Freedom" ?????

You couldn't make this shit up..........

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 06:26 AM

Yes fingers crossed!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:46 AM

IpsosMORI: Con: 44% (-) LAB: 32% (+4) LDEM: 13% (-3) BREX: 3% (-)

PaddyPower Majority Odds (Previous in Brackets):
       Labour: 25/1 (20/1)


Looking good for Boris. Fingers crossed!

Is compo in the twilight zone?

https://capx.co/life-after-corbyn-what-next-for-labour/

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:34 AM

Can't be easy living with a hard-left pooch...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:31 AM

I know, sad isn't it!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:21 AM

I have it on good authority that your dog rogered the postman as he was emptying the box, snatched your postal votes and ate them. Tsk. Better luck next time!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:07 AM

Our ultra conservative votes posted!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 03:59 AM

Leaving the wild interpretations aside, the YouGov polpls show that the results are within the margin of error. So the only honest response is that the poll is too close to call.

As with all polls, the figures are weighted to represent as best they can the wider population, rather than the people interviewed. It is not clear whether the weighting is based on the whole population or their prediction of how many will vote. However, looking at the age ranges most were barely weighted at all, but the youth vote was significantly weighted against. It is by no means clear this is a good representation.

People need to look at such things before leaping in with "what the polls show."

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:22 AM

polling suggests tovarisch Compo had a royal rogering during the debate.
His party has also slipped 2 percentage points in the polls.
Does magic grandad have any more rabbits to pull out of the hat? His last two of the bliar and grey man are driving people wholesale to the tories.
3 cheers for Boris the nemesis of lefties!
Will I be supping champagne or hemlock after the election?
There's many a slip twixt cup and lip!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:21 AM

Anyone would think that the sun shines out of corbyn's arse and his shit doesn't stink!! I dislike johnson only slightly less but a less than tory government is unthinkable.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 01:15 AM

One site that will give everyone a good idea of how much BoJo and his band can be trusted. I have put it up before but it is well worth repeating

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 08:48 PM

That was not a kiss!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 08:30 PM

The best hope is that he'll be denied an overall majority, or, at worst, gain a wafer-thin majority. We mustn't give up hope...x

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 07:48 PM

Forget about Brexit. The thought of the Tories winning another five years in power is frightening. That's what the election should really be about.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 04:51 PM

Well the telly "debate" was a bloody travesty. Nick Robinson (arch-Tory, former chairman of the Young Conservatives), allowed Johnson to get away with lie after blustering bullying lie, completely uninterrupted. An honest-to-goodness chair would have pulled him up every time he told an established lie, but he didn't do it even once. Corbyn made his case well but without the passion and spin that seems crucial in these populist times. The BBC, which I've always supported unstintingly, has behaved shambolically during this campaign. A bloody disgrace. As if we need a failure of neutrality when all the press big guns are as far right as they've ever been. Democracy in decline if we're not vigilant.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 03:26 PM

Perhaps the gnome should give the complete story concerning Boris:
"Boris Johnson forced to cancel election speech on police advice as protestors mass"
To quote the gnome:"Donuel, as I am sure you are aware, there are lies, truth and many things in between. These include only telling part of the story," A typical lefty, so as I say, not as I do
TSK Tsk!

Bliar blair guilty of agism
Tony Blair takes outrageous swipe at older Brexiteers 'The young have the beating pulse'

This is the same labour pm who initiated privatisation of part of the NHB. A fact magic grandad has conveniently forgotten.
heguardian.com › society › feb › health.politics
(Feb 15, 2006 - Tony Blair today welcomed 11 private healthcare providers into the NHS... companies delivering the first wave of independent sector treatment centres (ISTCs). ... union fears that ISTCs would lead to the privatisation of the NHS)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 03:18 PM

I can barely understand the motives and undercurrents of our own politics. All I can say about UK politics are broad brush remarks and possibilities. Still the remarks here taught me the little I know about you guys over there.

For years all I knew is that we broke up by a Dear George letter;
In the course of human events there comes a time...Its not you...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 01:43 PM

I see the GAP has now cancelled a public appearance for fear of a handful of protesters. Good to see he has courage as well as integrity.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 12:42 PM

See what I mean, Donuel? I think you could well be right it your assessment

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 12:38 PM

"..... not being goaded into pointless arguments with those who simply want to destroy civilised debate."

and his idea of civilised debate is:It's a wonder that any caption generator can get the greased albino piglets incoherent babble right.

IpsosMORI: Con: 44% (-) LAB: 32% (+4) LDEM: 13% (-3) BREX: 3% (-)

Looks like magic grandad is taking a bit of a stumble as we enter the final circuit.
In theatrical circles they may say "break a leg"
I will restrict myself to the meaning of the term on the turf!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 12:03 PM

Donuel, as I am sure you are aware, there are lies, truth and many things in between. These include only telling part of the story, wrapping opinion up as fact and reporting conclusions from just one side of the debate. I have long since decided that anyone involved in such dishonesty is far better ignored. Far be it from me to tell you how to conduct a discussion but I can say that my Mudcat experience has been greatly enhanced by not being goaded into pointless arguments with those who simply want to destroy civilised debate.