BS: Any Detectives Out There?

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: gnu
Date: 17 May 07 - 02:41 PM

Um, perhaps Bee was trying to be helpful. No need to empty the clip on her.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 May 07 - 02:41 PM

When I was in highschool (New Mexico) many years ago, a miscreant was trying to remove the screen on the bedroom window of a girl I knew. She got him with one shot to the head. No charges were brought (or were necessary).
An expert shot, she always kept a revolver on her bedside table.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 07 - 02:14 PM

Bee-it sure is nitpickery. Make YOU feel better?

You could not resist the urge to correct an old woman's spelling? Tells us more about you then you'll ever know!

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Bee
Date: 17 May 07 - 12:46 PM

Nitpickery: the slang is 'perp', short for 'perpetrator'.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 07 - 11:22 AM

An Update: My neighbor is still in jail-hired a lawyer this am. The bail is $50,000. There was nothing illegal found in his house. The purp was so high when he went to the hospital he was treated without pain killers. The wound in the thigh was benign enough that the purp was walking around all day yesterday.

I have only now learned that this young man is a known crackhead & I had dealings with him 15 yrs. ago. I returned home from shopping one day and as I approached my screened in porch-he suddenly came running out. I said what are you doing on my property? He let out with the usual bad language. He clearly was trying to break in to my house.   His parents have had nothing to do with him for years.

The unfairness of the situation riles me. $50,000 bail for a 60 year old Vietnam vet who has never been in trouble seems totally crazy.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 May 07 - 10:28 AM

Jim Lad, I'll make sure Wee Red isn't the first to come courtin'!**bg**

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Amos
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:17 AM

Yeah -- he was fleeing the house having stolen the hatchet from the basement. Right...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:15 AM

By the way, out here in Idaho they have laws against one neighbor fingering another unless it's consensual fingering.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:14 AM

Guy down in Kenton County, Kentucky was arrested for molested a LOT of young boys. Since he was caught in the act and had videotaped himself in previous acts (!) there wasn't much doubt of his guilt, but one day as he was being transfered from court to jail one of the affected mothers stepped out of the crowd and shot him twice in the "groin" with a .357 magnum. She immediately handed the now-empty revolver to the police guards and gave herself up. Last I heard the prosecutor was still trying to find a venue where he might have a chance of winning a hands-down, witnessed-by-cops-and-filmed-by-television, case.

Here's another one: an ex-boyfriend given to violence was shot dead by a girl's father as the ex- climbed through a window into the house. The ex- was carrying a hatchet, but he was half-in and half-out of the house when he was shot. The law says there has to be "immiment danger" and you can't shoot someone who is leaving the scene (because you're no longer in imminent danger). The prosecution said the ex- was leaving, the defense said he was breaking in (as did the father). I leave it to you folks to figure out what the jury said.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: 3refs
Date: 17 May 07 - 08:19 AM

p.s.
First, I carefully surrendered my firearm for safety reasons!

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: 3refs
Date: 17 May 07 - 08:16 AM

"So A fingers your neighbor, whom he doesn't like."

"NO COMMENT!" ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 16 May 07 - 10:23 AM

The cheek of it! The other one, I mean...

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Mickey191
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:38 AM

A Pastor with a gun. Sounds like my kinda church.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: robomatic
Date: 16 May 07 - 08:26 AM

A few years ago there were intruders breaking into homes around Big Lake, an area of dispersed homes of relatively well-off (not rich) folks. The thieves broke into a church and were rooting around in the basement when...

pastor came by. As they ran out, he shot 'em. Dead. He was arrested and it went to trial with a lot of community support behind him, and a significant amount of criticism of his actions.

It was during one of my brief sojourns out of the state, but I heard he got off.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 May 07 - 04:58 AM

SEE!!! SEEE!!! Didn't I say... perfectly respectable people ... takes all sorts!!!

Glad it's not more serious, and I hope they each get what they deserve. Keep feeding the cat, you'll be grandstanding when he comes home!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 May 07 - 03:08 AM

Joking!


I was joking!

Cheers.
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 May 07 - 03:07 AM

My daughter is three years old. I plan on shooting the first boy who asks her out. Just in the leg though. You know. The usual stuff. Miss the major arteries but bugger up his knee or ankle enough to leave him with limp. That should keep the rest at bay.
I was thinking "Self Defense" but I still have three or four years to come up with a better defense argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 07 - 01:11 AM

Is this New York City? Handguns aren't allowed there at all, are they?

In Texas you can shoot someone on your property and pretty well get away with it if you can prove you were defending yourself or your property. And guns are pretty much everywhere. Too bad.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST,Nosey
Date: 16 May 07 - 01:03 AM

More info. has come out.The shooter called the troopers himself. One of the charges-illegal handgun.

The trespasser had been annoying other home owners that night & has been in trouble for trying to break in to other homes and is on some kind of drugs. He was seen acting in an irrational manner an hour before the shooting.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 12:07 AM

"So A fingers your neighbor, whom he doesn't like."

NO COMMENT!

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Peace
Date: 16 May 07 - 12:06 AM

You havin' a bad day?

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 07 - 12:04 AM

Hear that you gun nuts? He got arrested!!!!! The lovely neighbor who was minding his own business, shot an intruder and he got arrested for it! Let that be a warning....

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 07 - 11:56 PM

He sounds like a nice person. It may be that he didn't shoot anyone.

Can the police really know the truth with 100% certainty within one day? Even if they do, should they be pronouncing judgment before your neighbor has the chance to defend himself?

For example, suppose A shoots B. B is A's brother-in-law. A has to get treatment, has to tell the cops something. He doesn't want to finger his B-i-l, because B-i-l has eight kids which A will have to help with. So A fingers your neighbor, whom he doesn't like.

Stranger things have happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 May 07 - 10:28 PM

I haven't shot anybody for a while either. Now, mind you, I HAVE been tempted. I left work yesterday before I hurt somebody besides me.

As far as I know there are no bodies buried in my garden. Only lived here 18 years tho.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 May 07 - 10:15 PM

Well, Stilly, at least the man was tidy about it. Leaving dead bodies around the yard will usually cause talk.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 May 07 - 10:08 PM

If he shot someone in self-defense, would they take all of this time to investigate all around the house? Maybe he was already in their radar and this was a chance to check him out as well as check out his story?

I was going to suggest you look for public coroner records, but since he only injured the other man, that won't be necessary (which is a good thing!)

Good luck sorting out the neighborhood after this.

We have a neighbor two doors up who seems to have a lot of small-time rackets going. The back yard is filled with junk, and people come and go for brief visits day and night. Sure looks like drugs and contraband to us, but he's still in there. His father (divorced from the first wife) is doing life for murdering his ex-girl friend's girl friend and stuffing her body in a barrel on his back porch.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 May 07 - 10:08 PM

Well, Bill, I certainly haven't shot anyone yet today! 'Course, there's still four hours to go....

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 07 - 09:50 PM

Stuff like this happens all over... everyday...somepleace. Durn good thing their neighbors are not all Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 May 07 - 07:26 PM

Perhaps is was self-defence as suggested.

Good for you for taking care of the kitty!

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 May 07 - 06:36 PM

Perhaps he shot a man whom he suspected of trying to break into his house...

Such things can and do happen, for a great variety of reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Amos
Date: 15 May 07 - 06:27 PM

Well, don't leap to conclusions. It may just be that the man he shot really needed to be shot in the leg....



A

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST,Guest Nosey
Date: 15 May 07 - 06:10 PM

Have just heard from a neighbor that the detective who interviewed her was forthcoming. I'm in shock--The gentleman neighbor shot a man. The fellow has been arrested. Clearly he was taken out before I got to my post at midnight.

He shot a man in the leg--I know not why. So the ground searches must have been for spent cartridges?

This neighbor is (was) polite, quiet, funny & thoughtful. He would, on occasion , shovel my snow & leave a plant on my steps. Even put air in my tires once. Dubbed me "The official old lady on the block."   

Thank you all for your astute & funny replies.
I have fed the cat & will continue to do so.

You never know what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Cool Beans
Date: 15 May 07 - 05:59 PM

This is definitely U.S. John Jay College is in New York City. If it's New York, maybe the guy bought a Boston Red Sox cap.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 May 07 - 05:32 PM

I should think by now that it would be obvious: he was arrested for Banjo Playing With Malice Aforethought.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: fumblefingers
Date: 15 May 07 - 05:19 PM

Call your neighbor on the phone. If he's dead, he won't answer. If he's there, complain that one of the cops stepped all over your petunias and demand to know what the hell is going on at all hours of the night.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 May 07 - 04:10 PM

The only "clue for amateur detectives" that seems to indicate anything unusual is the checking of things outside, which might indicate there was question about someone outside (or coming from outside via unusual means of access) being involved with whatever was inside.

It could be as simple as the occupant reporting a prowler (human or otherwise) for that to be a reasonable part of a police response.

The number of police responding would suggest it wasn't a stray cat(?).

Taking photos of the house and surrounds would be unusual in my area unless there was suspicion/expectation of some criminal activity.

A long duration of the stay of officers would be reasonable if a forced entry was made, by police or by an intruder, since "leaving someone there" is a simple way of securing the premises if there's someone available to remain who's not required elsewhere, even if no "crime" was involved - although few police agencies have that kind of surplus personnel. The necessity or convenience of doing so would, however, indicate that the normal occupant was not capable of securing things.

Give it a few hours and the news media most likely will report a little more than is actually known.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST,Nosey Lady Guest
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:29 PM

Investigator just interviewed me--Was not able to tell me anything-"still under investigation."

He would not even say if the home owner is alright. "Why would you ask me that?" My reply: just concern for my neighbor.

Just asked the usual questions-I could not contribute anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:20 PM

Ho hum- in my city in Alberta, the Mounties, cops (often plainclothes) would be checking out another marijuana grow-op. A big business here.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Bee
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:14 PM

I'd politely ask a trooper if it would be a good idea for a kind neighbour to take charge of the cat.

BTW, I have never heard a police officer of any sort in Nova Scotia referred to as a trooper - Mountie, police-man/woman, officer, cop, never trooper.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:07 PM

Amos, Trooper is mum. Neighbor inquired.

1:45-The "Suits" have arrived. Four of those-one other civilian with John Jay College of Criminal Justice Shirt & he had rubber gloves & various equipment. Two new troopers.
More pixs taken.   

Can I get arrested for posting this info?

If you don't hear from me - I'm "in the jail house now!"

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Amos
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:00 PM

Ask the trooper!!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 May 07 - 12:06 PM

Hope someone takes care of the cat. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: heric
Date: 15 May 07 - 11:22 AM

Not so nosy - hard to ignore. But now you can go ask one of the guarders. Have a couple of questions ready in the event of a runaround - but they should accept that as a close neighbor you should know what's happening - to some degree.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST,Tired Nosy Lady Guest
Date: 15 May 07 - 10:35 AM

I gave up the job at 5:00am. Leaving one car with 2 troopers inside. At 9:00am I awoke and same car still there. Went in to take a quick shower & darn it--the street is empty. ANYTHING could have happened-including the neighbor going out on a gurney.

The fellow's cat is wandering around as he did all night. I'm thinking he must have passed away--and there is probably a (New York) regulation that they must guard the body.

It just makes no sense if it was a normal passing to have so much manpower wasted.
What was the lone cop doing in there for hours?

You all had some very interesting & funny ideas. I'll report in again.    I'm worn out! Being nosey is hard work.   

Thanks!----Just ready to quit & one trooper car is back & sitting in.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Peace
Date: 15 May 07 - 10:09 AM

Elementary, my dear Nosy Lady Guest. They are watching movies.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 May 07 - 09:42 AM

It's always the quiet ones...probably had a ton of explosives in the basement, several hundred machine guns in the bedrooms, and thousands and thousands of rounds of ammo in the garage. A typical suburban homeowner, just like all the 'em around here...oh, wait. I live in Idaho. 8-)

Seriously, you can't tell by looking. It could be that he had child pornography on a home computer. He could have been selling dope. Could simply be embezellment.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 May 07 - 09:26 AM

If it is a crime scene, inside, they might not move a body or whatever of evidence for many, many hours as they search for clues, dust for prints, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: kendall
Date: 15 May 07 - 09:10 AM

a large wooden badger..

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 May 07 - 08:52 AM

Tom Waits-- What's He Building in There?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 May 07 - 08:48 AM

In Canada? Someone probably found an empty bottle of Coors and a defaced picture of Sergeant Preston in his trash. Or maybe he was the author of a scholarly article comparing the Parisian, Quebequois and Cajun dialects.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 May 07 - 05:43 AM

Given that she says trooper, I'm guessing this is the US or Canada.

Maybe porn... maybe a body buried under the deck (patio in the UK, a very popular place for putting bodies on Soaps, so I'm told), suicide attempt? Burglary?? You name it, could be anything.

The house opposite us was used as a marihuana farm for several months before it was busted - never noticed a thing other than an Asian chap wandering in and out at the usual sort of times, curtains never drawn... The house next door became a crack house for a while, woman tennant worked tricks from the corner up the road, out of sight of my house. We didn't notice anything untoward that couldn't be explained away to the cops (some chap tried to kick the door in late one night but the police seemed happy enough with his explaination) until one morning there were 8 officers and a sniffer dog. These are pefectly respectable houses in residential areas, occupied by what we thought were perfectly respectable people. Takes all sorts.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 15 May 07 - 04:18 AM

You don't say where. If it's Germany, perhaps he put a plastic bottle in the glass bottles bin. If it's England, I suspect he's an ex- West Indies cricketer who has been caught teaching cricket without a level 3 NVQ. In the USA, probably jaywalking.

Subject: BS: Any Detectives Out There?
From: GUEST,Nosy Lady Guest
Date: 15 May 07 - 03:36 AM

Single man about 55 yrs. old-no known vices. Has owned video stores in past-but not for 5 yrs. Stays at home. Quiet fellow.

I'm trying to figure out a mystery concerning the above described gentleman. This is enfolding as I type. Became aware at midnight that there was something going on outside-3 police cars-lights flashing- came to a stop at my neighbor's house.   Five troopers were outside checking the property with flashlights. They seemed also to be checking the ground for "something." His deck also was examined closely. After a while pictures were taken of his house -his screened porch & his car. Since there is very little excitement in my life, I thought this show would be better then Leno.   The men went in & out in all sorts of groups-some staying outside. They still kept the ground search going.

I'm assuming that most troopers travel in twos. So there evidently was one in the house before I made it to my viewing window. It is now 3:20 am. and I had to give up. Two cars & 4 troopers have gone. One trooper has been in the drivers seat for 1 1/4 hrs. One is still inside with my neighbor.

What on earth could be going on that would take this much time. He's evidently not hurt-no ambulance. OOOOPS--Now the Sheriff's car has pulled up.

What could take 3 hours & 25 minutes to investigate??

Any mystery buffs out there? Any ideas? Feel Free! If I find out--I'll let you know.

There are now 5 on the scene-if the ellow was dead-wouln't they call an ambulance or coroner's wagon by now?