BS: The purpose of government

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: pdq
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 12:48 PM

B-dubs...no contract involved, just a "freedom of speech" issue in a suit by (ostensbly) civil rights types. They regarded the owner as a "reactionary" and someone who was being "judgemental" and therefore had to be taken down a peg. The contention was that the motel, like a shopping center, was open to the public, and that not allowing access to "pay-per-veiw" porn violated the freedom of speech.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 12:36 PM

Comcast now charges 5 to 7 dollars for on demand movies even if they are Godfather 1 or some other 30 year old movie
But the 'Adult' on demand fee is $15 Dollars for a 8 minute "movie"

That fee structure is way below the belt ;> }

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:50 PM

I reserve making judgements about right or wrong until presented with a bit of factual information. I endeavored to find said information using Google and had no success. Ball's in your court.

Having said that, I would be willing state that:

1) IF the motel owner originally contracted to provide pay-per-view porn to his guests and later changed his mind, he's wrong, the court's right.

2) IF the motel owner didn't realize he was signing a contract to provide pay-per-view porn, he's an idiot, the court's right.

3) IF the motel owner originally contracted to provide pay-per-view movies but NOT porn to his guests, and the pay-per-view people tried to tack the porn on after the fact, they're slimeballs, the court's wrong.

I don't know which, if any, of the above scenarios applies to the case. Hence, as stated above, ball's in your court.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:25 PM

>The owner in question said he had a right to run his business his way<

unless it was perhaps a franchise or some such arrangement where the larger entity contracted with the porn provider.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: pdq
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:15 PM

Nobody said that motel owners had to provide porn. They were told that the "pay-per-view" supplier had to be allowed access to the motel customers. They could choose to use it (or not). Of course the motel gets a cut of the $$$ and with some motel chains that is all that keeps them from going broke. The owner in question said he had a right to run his business his way, financial consequences and all.

Still, is anyone going to say that the court's decision was wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: PoppaGator
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 05:39 PM

I find it hard to believe that a court would require pornography to be furnished by anyone to anyone, except perhaps by a business representing themselves as providers of porn, and collecting a fee for said provision.

I'm pretty sure BWL hit the nail on the head when he guessed that it must have something to do with the motel-chain's contract with a pay-per-view provider. I'm sure that a lot more payments are tendered for a lot more views of porn than of other stuff ~ in motels, anyway, for crying out loud.

Let's get back to that "15% Canadian" requirement.

For your basic one-on-one sexually-explicit scenario, it's gotta be either 100%, 50%, or zero-percent Canadian. To comply, either one or both participants would need to be Canucks, in either case far exceeding the required 15%. How could an economy-minded porn producer just get by by "barely" meeting the legal minimum?

A seven-person orgy featuring a single Canadian would come in at 14.285714...% Canadian, not quite up to snuff. One Canadian out of six would just pass muster at 16-2/3%. I suppose that'd be the way to go...

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: pdq
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 05:10 PM

One might hope so, but that is not the case. Google searches give you what you are expected to read. They are doctored. Remember, before the Olymiics, all anti-China articles (at least on certain subjects) stopped showing up on searches?

BTW, is anyone actually saying that the court decision was bad or just that it did not happen? Those are different issues.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 04:32 PM

I just did a Google search for the string "court-ordered pay-per-view porn". Pdq's post above is the ONLY thing that came up. Don'tcha think that if there really were such an animal it'd score at least a handful of Google hits?

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: pdq
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 03:48 PM

Yep, court-ordered pay-per-view porn in motel rooms, but no bible.

"Edgier chains...provide "intimacy kits" with condoms in the minibar, while New York's Mercer Hotel supplies a free condom in each bathroom. Neither has Bibles. Since its recent renovation, the Sofitel L.A. offers a tantalizing lovers' dice game: roll one die for the action to be performed (for example, "kiss," "lick") and the other for the associated body part. The hotel's "mile high" kit, sold in the revamped gift shop, includes a condom, a mini vibrator, a feather tickler and lubricant. The new Indigo hotel in Scottsdale, Ariz., a "branded boutique" launched by InterContinental, also has no Bibles, but it does offer a "One Night Stand" package for guests seeking VIP treatment at local nightclubs and late checkout for the hazy morning after."

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 03:27 PM

Does anyone have a specific case in mind? Or is this all bull?

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 03:20 PM

The reason government helps the rich get richer, is simply because the rich are the owners of the darn thing. IF it were not providing a decent ROI they'd sell it!




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Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 03:17 PM

I watched digital pornography once...It was all hand jobs. WTF.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:48 PM

You missed one out BlindDRunk etc. One of the main purposes of the UK government seems to be to help, in every way possible, the flippin' rich to get flippin' richer. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Canadian government has a similar purpose.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 03:33 PM

Okay, the perpose of the government is, like, well...it has sveral pourposes, eh?

1. To keep other peolple from gettin' WAU flippin' outta line. The givernment has cops fer that perpose.   But sometimes the cops get way flippin' outta line too, eh? That is the flippin' price of soshal porgress! You gotta bust a few eggs to make egg salad.

2. To reglate all the flippin' beer and likker stores! This is majerly important govermment work. It is too flippin' importnat fer just anyone to do and so no one else can do it, eh? The USA is in a big mess cause they do not know this!

3. To pay out pogey to us peopel that don't have a job. That is job ONE fer the govermmint and without it life as we flippin' know it would be over.

4. To raise a flippin' army, navy and air farce so that the country will not be attacked by, like.....uh.... China? Or Japan, eh?

5. To make stamps and money. And so that we have a flag.

I think that pretty well covers it, eh?

- Shane

p.s. I am outta jail now. Hooray! To all the girls in North flippin' Ontario...yer prairs have been ansered at last.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: pdq
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 03:18 PM

Nope, I don't believe it was anything but an owner who objected to porn on moral grounds and felt he had the constitutional right to operate a moral business. Can a stop owner ban smoking on his property? Ban guns? Ban drug use? Ban drinking? I think they can.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 02:47 PM

Got any more facts on that pay-per-view case, pdq? I Googled around a bit and couldn't find anything.

I suspect that the issue is more a matter of breach of contract than free speech or governmental abuse. When a hotel guest buys a pay-per-view movie, the revenue is split between the hotel and the pay-per-view provider. The exact cut is determined by a contract and is based upon volume. Generally speaking, the more volume, the higher the cut for the hotel. So, if someone signed a contract agreeing to carry all content provided by a pay-per-view provider, adult content included, they'd probably get a better deal than someone who contracted to carry only mainstream movies. If they later tried to weasel out of carrying the porn without renegotiating the contract they'd be guilty of a serious breach of contract.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Wesley S
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:43 PM

How can it be "free" speech when you have to pay for it?

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: pdq
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:06 PM

I am not sure when the case was decided, but the owner of a chain of motels refused to allow "pay for view" porn to be offered in his motels. Note: theses buildings are private property and how they are run should be for the owners to decide, as long as health and safety rules are followed. A lawsuit was filed and the court orderd the motel chain to offer porn is each and every room, under threat of penalties if they did not.

Is that really an example of "free speech" or is it governmental abuse of power?

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: pdq
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 11:59 AM

when the case was decided, but the owner of a chain of motels refused to allow "pay for view" porn to be offered in his motels. Note: theses buildings are private property and how they are run should be for the owners to decide, as long as health and safety rules are followed. A lawsuit was filed and the court orderd the motel chain to offer porn in each and every room, under threat of penalties if they did not.

Is that really an example of "free speech" or is it governmental abuse of power?

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:43 AM

Well, I for one wouldn't pay to access a "digital pornography channel" under any circumstances. Who wants to watch a bunch of digits having sex? Probably get boring even faster than regular pornography.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:20 AM

ROFL!

memo to self - don't read this stuff whilst drinking at keyboard!

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: bankley
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:11 AM

too many separatists... which can pose other problems... along with a lot of talk about 'pulling out'

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 08:38 AM

Which 15% of the Canadians are going to show? Faces? Hands? Won't frostbite be a concern in the Winter? Will brass monkeys (manufactured in Canada) be used as stand-ins during certain weather conditions, and will they be able to function? And most importantly, why can't they get entire Canadians to participate?

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:42 AM

LOL

Carol, you are a gem. Have a good evening and say hello to the old boy for me.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:40 AM

Only when viewed in relation to the post before it. Don't do that.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:38 AM

That was an unfortunate choice of phrasing.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:37 AM

Carol, I don't think Jack's gonna be too happy about this turn of affairs.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:35 AM

I'm at least 15 percent Canadian myself. Actually, more like 25 percent.

Subject: RE: BS: The purpose of government
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:24 AM

That will be difficult. From my first responder days, the rule of thumb for burns was that the penis and testes or vaginal area were 1% of the body.

Subject: BS: Government
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:03 AM

Canadian federal regulators granted Alberta-based Real Productions approval to launch a new digital pornography channel, conditioned upon RP's promise to show at least 15 percent Canadians.