BS: Mexican Police Allegedly Rape Canadian

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Allegedly Rape Canadian
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 08:25 PM

How safe are Mexicans abroad?

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Allegedly Rape Canadian
From: number 6
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:03 AM

some interesting stats here .....

How safe are Canadians abroad


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Raptor
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 10:32 AM

Who did you beat up?

Nobody!

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 09:42 AM

I should also add if you are drunk and disorderly here in Canada and resist arrest and/or are uncontrollable down at the local lockup you are sure to be roughed up and cuffed tigthly by the local police ... a Mr. Nobody (real name btw) was arrested at last year's G20 protest in Toronto, beaten severely by the police and his arrest ticket had a bogus badge number on it. ... howz about that for a civilized country ... google Mr. Nobody G20 protest and read about it.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 09:32 AM

Corruption is a way of life in Mexico as in many of the poorer countries of the world. It's common knowledge tourists are always targets for traffic infractions, has been for years .... the cash you gave to the police officer was probably less than the fine you would have paid in court ... one rule when visiting a foreign country is realize and understand it has different customs and LAWS .... Mexico is based on the civil law system whereas Canada's is based on the common law system, there is a big difference ... when in Mexico you must realize are not back in 'Kansas'.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Raptor
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 09:15 AM

This innocent till proven guilty is all well and good but how are you gonna get a conviction against a police force in their own country? The mexican police stopped my brother for CHANGING LANES on a road and the cop demanded cash on the spot or there would be trouble. I was in the car. The cops down there make about $45 a day and are not screened.

I believe these people were drunk and stupid but as far as I'm conserned that is still not a reason to get assulted no matter if your a cop or an NFL quarterback.

Lately Innocent till proven guilty now means innocent till caught!

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 07:52 AM

That unfortunate incident was the first case of a Canadian shot in a crossfire in Mexico ..... thank gawd he wasn't killed.

How many Canadians have been innocent victims of yobo's having a shootout here in Canada ... more than 1 that's for certain and I recall a very tragic one about 3 years ago on Boxing day where a 15 year old girl was killed in downtown Toronto. Someone here in Saint John had their house shot up with automatic weapons a few months ago ... the perpetrators have not been caught ... a few years ago an RCMP survellance vehicle was firebombed ... the perpetrators have not been tried and convicted.

well over a million Canadians visit Mexico every year ... the proportion of murders is rather small ... and most of these cases the victims have been partially or fully involved in their own demise .... very much like the murder victims in our own countries and communities.

we live in dangerous times in a very violent world. Once we step out our door wherever we go we are putting ourselves at risk.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 12:16 AM

Another Canadian tourist is caught in crossfire between drug gangs: badly wounded but survived. sigh.....

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Charmion
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 07:25 PM

Come to think of it, the Ottawa cops are under investigation even as I type ...

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Charmion
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 07:25 PM

Anyone for a stay-cation in beautiful, snowy, downtown Ottawa, centre of romance and intrigue, fortune and fame?

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 06:38 PM

This was in today's news:

A B.C. man shot in the leg in Mazatlan, Mexico, pushed his wife to the ground when automatic gunfire broke out at a market, a family member says.

Mike DiLorenzo, 69, of Penticton underwent surgery for a severe gunshot wound to a leg. He is recovering in hospital after a metal plate was inserted in his leg, which was shattered above the knee. His wife, Serafina, was not hurt in the attack this week.

Speaking from Coquitlam, B.C., daughter Kathy DiLorenzo said her parents were on their annual Mexican vacation when the violence erupted.

"My dad said he was about 50 feet away from the market, four blocks away from the hotel that they were at, when he heard the gunfire," she told CBC News.

"Instinctively, he pushed my mom to the ground. As he was jumping to the ground, he got shot in the leg.

"My dad's a hero."

A group of masked men fired as many as 50 shots from automatic weapons. Their target is believed to have been a 25-year-old Mexican man who was passing on a motorcycle. The man, who was thought to be involved in the drug trade, died from gunshot wounds.

Mexico has been plagued by gang violence, prompting the Canadian government to issue a travel warning for the country.

Some Canadian travel agents are also cautioning tourists to avoid some western areas of Mexico, including Mazatlan, or to visit another country for a sun vacation.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 10:31 PM

Hey Sandy ... regardless if she was in the hospital I think he would have contacted the consulate well before the 12th of January, even mores so if she was hospitalized after such trauma.

As per Mexico ... yes the border towns are dangerous .... and yes there have been (if I recall 8) Canadians murdered in the last 3 years .... 2 were direct drug distributors known to the RCMP here in Canada , 3 had questionable dealings down there ... regardless it is definately not murder central for Canadian tourists. There seems to be a Mexico murder phobia in the press these days ... there are a lot more dangerous countries to go visit than Mexico ... having visited Mexico a couple of times in the last 3 years ... Mexico City and Puerto Vallarta and traveled around the state of Jalisco I never felt threatened ... just use common sense and stay away from questionable areas and establishments ... wherever I travel abroad or even in Canada I follow those basic rules.

biLL

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 10:09 PM

A point well taken biLL but part of that time she was in hospital. Somewhere between she said, they said, sits the truth but it will probably remain always subjective as to what we believe it to be. And Q there have been recent murders of tourists at resorts as well as innocent bystanders caught in drug war crossfire nearer the US border.
I have no immediate plans to head for more sunny climes, but Cuba, Costa Rica and the Bahamas ( even Florida) look safer.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 09:38 PM

According to CBC they returned to Canada today ... the 18th of January ... the alleged incident happened on the evening of December 31st and they reported the incident to the Canadian Consulate on the 12th of January ... the CBC has a video clip of them walking casually through the Playa del Carmen casually .

All I can say if such a horrific incident such as that happened to my wife and I we would have contacted the consulate immediately and then got the hell out of Dodge right away .... regardless of what country we were visiting.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 08:54 PM

Playa del Carmen is not a backwater but an important tourist destination near Cancun, and a stop for several cruise lines, also a good center for those interested in Maya ruins. It has a fairly large number of North American and European residents.
Not a place where money-bringers are mis-treated.

The Quintana Roo state attorney's office is investigating the allegation, but I doubt the story told by the two.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 07:59 PM

Well this story was carried on CBC National News and included an interview with the couple. I found what they said convincing enough to believe them. If the CBC editorial board didn't find a basis for some belief the story would not have been carried. The incident is being discussed at the ambassador level between the two countries. The Mexican police are investigating themselves, the security camera in the jail somehow became damaged and someone is posting messages on the man's stolen blackberry with information that would have been known only to someone who was there. Of course there will never be a conviction of the police or even charges laid. Even in Canada police forces band together to protect their own. If there is enough corruption in the RCMP for them to lie to protect members of the force in the face of video evidence, how in Hell can we expect truth to surface from an investigation there!

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 06:25 PM

What happens in Mexico....

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:41 PM

Trouble is so easy to find in Mexico that even a total idiot can manage it with absolute ease! ;-) Kinda like that in Texas too.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:31 PM

I agree with Q's post up above regarding this.

Never have had a problem in Mexico and I am looking forward to visiting again.

with this being said ... if you look for trouble in Mexico, you'll find it. ... but then again, that's same just about anywhere.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 04:50 PM

Q... yeah, sounds like a load to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: josepp
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 04:41 PM

I visited the Middle East in the service--Pakistan, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. There was a little base where we could drink but were told do NOT go out on the town noticeably drunk. DO NOT!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 04:34 PM

I really think the title of this thread should be changed. The word "Alleged" is one that comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:59 PM

Well, if you get drunk and raise hell with either the Mexican police or the Trinidadian police...you are not in for a nice time! Matter of fact, it can be that way in Canada or the USA too...sort of depends which particular cops you run into.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:59 PM

"Tourists beware! There are many safer places to visit than Mexico"
That's a bit strong, well it's the view of only one person.

Please note, the words "she alleges she was raped"

Come back and tell us more when you have a conviction.

Oh by the way, please also note "Quintana Roo State Attorney General Francisco Alor Quezada said a rape kit test on Rutland came back negative."

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:57 PM

Looks like two drunken tourists raised hell and were roughed up a bit before they were released.
I doubt their story.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:07 PM

I love the Mexican people too. And I loved being there back in the late 60s. But I never had a good impression of the police down there. They seemed like paramilitary thugs to me. I wasn't a person who would have attracted their attention back then, being a young, studious, short-haired student, so I didn't have much to worry about.

It's the same deal in Trinidad. The people are lovely. The police are corrupt. And the crime scene is VERY BAD. I do not advise going out much in Trinidad at night and looking like you have money...

This is what happens when you have massive economic equality in a society and terrible poverty alongside conspicuous wealth (for a few) and a really corrupt political system.

I think there are probably some localities in Mexico that are quite pleasant (referring to your friends who stay down there half the year, Ebbie) and if you get to know some of the locals, that's a big help anywhere in avoiding unnecessary trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:02 PM

I have two friends who have spent much time in Mexico, and both told me that it is always well to know when, who and how much to bribe to get certain things done...or to avoid being arrested or tickted.

Lately, the news from certain areas is much worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:53 PM

I have friends who live half the year in Mexico and love it - and the people.

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:52 PM

You can hear this about the New York cops too...

Subject: RE: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:50 PM

That sort of thing has been going on forever with some Mexican police. They're like bandits in uniform. You stay clear of them if you can manage it and hope they stay clear of you. I have no plans to visit Mexico anytime soon.

Subject: BS: Mexican Police Rape Canadian
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 09:21 PM

Tourists beware! There are many safer places to visit than Mexico. The police are corrupt and you can expect little help from them but this story tells of a disgrace that goes beyond that! Lets see if Harper has the guts to stand up for his citizens. Don't hold your breath!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/01/17/mexico-alleged-rape-assault.html