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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 24 Sep 00 - 06:41 PM I just thought I would mention this; Another possibility open to all of us is to broadcast a concert using Real Audio. It does need a fast connection to do it successfully but to support 25 connections is free. I am running on a 56k modem so at best, I am only going to be able to support ONE user at a time but it may be feasible for those with cable or ADSL connections. I am currently putting out a test broadcast at test broadcast. It would be intersting to see if anyone can connect. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 20 Sep 00 - 03:28 PM Hey Y'all! If you haven't seen it yet, Jon has started the Mudcat Hearme Concerts, complete with a schedule! So, post your concert info there and it'll be put into the schedule. How's that for slick, uh? Thanks, Jon!! -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 20 Sep 00 - 03:23 PM How about a teal perma-thread to advertise?? Just an idea but sometimes you miss the thread as it gets bumped down. Would'nt want to miss ladies night... Yours, Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 20 Sep 00 - 01:45 PM ...do any other women want to have a concert? I like a Friday night. I have heard yea s from only a few women. I propose an hour long concert or sing and play around. Of course anyone could actually participate and listen. Left-handed red headed virgins are especially welcome...Any suggestions for a date? Just to showcase our wonderful women...and all levels of talent are welcome in my opinion... |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 20 Sep 00 - 10:45 AM Okay, put me down for October 12 Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: SDShad Date: 20 Sep 00 - 10:09 AM Right you are, Sandy. I was looking at the dates, not the time stamps. Chris |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: GUEST,Bigchuck at work Date: 20 Sep 00 - 10:07 AM Great idea, Aine. I think I'll do just that. And thanks to all of you who have been so helpful. This is a great community. Sandy in Vermont |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 20 Sep 00 - 09:31 AM Dear bigchuck (and all you other 'chucks'), Let me second 'Spaw's big Mudcat back splap there for coming up with the Mudcat Concert idea. Well done, indeed! And thanks to all you great Mudcatters who are working to keep the music going and growing -- you're all worth your weight in (fill in your favorite instrument here)! *BG* I do have a suggestion, bigchuck. Why don't you start a thread entitled 'New Hearme Mudcat Concerts' (or something like) and announce the new Mudcat Concert sessions and how to access them. Then, we can all mark that thread with our 'trace' function, and everyone can use it to announce the upcoming concerts. It's just an idea, y'all do whatever you think is best. Again, thanks to bigchuck, Jon and all you 'Catters who make this such a special place! -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Naemanson Date: 20 Sep 00 - 09:26 AM Well, yeah, Spaw, any act of creativity could be seen as a God(d) job. And it would be a good job too. *BG* In any event, I'm impressed. That's got to be the fastest construction of a concert hall ever accomplished. And, not only was the hall constructed but the first acts were booked and scheduled! Finest kind! Brett |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 00 - 08:35 AM Ya know BC, you ought to be real proud of yourself for the idea and for putting it out there for everyone to think about. Thanks to Aine and Jon and the suggestions of others, your great idea took root and grew in "mudcat time." Godd job!!!! Godd job ALL!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: bigchuck Date: 20 Sep 00 - 08:28 AM Actually, Shad, I think we built the hall in about 24 hours. Amazing. Since many of my questions have been answered I propose to proceed, unless someone has some objections. Woodchucks' Revenge (Midchuck, Mizchuck, and me) will hold forth in the Mudcat Concert hall on Thursday, September 28, beginning at 8:00 PM Eastern Standard Time (USA). I'll try to tape the event from here so that we can maybe archive it at some point (or convert it to MP3). We will experiment with some of our mixing equipment and hopefully, will achieve something resembling music. Mbo, would you like to go next? Maybe Thursday, Oct. 5? PM me and let me know. Dave for the next Thursday? Harpgirl, would you like to set up a woman's session soon? I think that's a great idea. If you want to do a concert, either solo or with friends. please PM me and let me know. If I'm moving too fast on this, let me know that, too. I'm not trying to take over, I'm just excited about the prospects and wanting to help things happen. Sandy in Vermont |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: katlaughing Date: 20 Sep 00 - 05:12 AM Aaarrrgghhhh! **BG** It needs a lot of cleaning up, Night Owl, lots of editing! I will think about it, but it wouldn't be anytime soon! Each tape is 90 minutes, although I think he only recorded on one side, so that we wouldn't get confused, as they were not labeled and the whole thing was so impromptu.lol...kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Night Owl Date: 20 Sep 00 - 03:16 AM and you ARE of course putting copies of the 4 tape set into the Mudcat auction, kat.......RIGHT??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: katlaughing Date: 20 Sep 00 - 01:27 AM I have recorded direct to cassette while in HearMe, both others and myself. Roger has it set up to go through a mixing board to the recording deck. We've got the whole live session from HearMe on about 4 tapes, from when Bill and Allan, Sorcha & family, and Mimosa Matt were here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: IvanB Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:38 PM Dave, the only problem with someone else doing the archiving is the possible breakup that seems to occur for us all at one time or another. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:23 PM Not being able to speak would be no problem for concert, except for the "artist" of the occasion. So somebody else would do the archiving. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: SDShad Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:21 PM Well, top that. The Mudcat built a concert hall in two days. What a place! Shad |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: bbelle Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:13 PM Concerts sound great. I would prefer a mix of people and have no desire to participate in an "only" concert of any type, although I was the only girl, in amongst seven men, last night on hearme. The odds were good (or is it the goods were odd |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:01 PM Hi Sandy, It looks like question 1 is answered but maybe I can help with 2 and 3: 2: One way is to go from the line out on your sound card to a tape recorder. I think you could try recording to computer but I am pretty sure that you would not be allowed to speak (Recording device in use error) and there may be other technical problems that I have not thought of. 3: You are pretty much at the mercy of all sorts of factors, the biggest one being net traffic. If the sound is going to break up, it will do and there is nothing that can be done about that. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:47 PM Nope, no one there anymore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:23 PM Mary, did you go to the 'Mudcat Concert' or the 'Song Circle'? -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:16 PM Where did everybody go? |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:05 PM Well, the experiment worked! Thank you's should all be directed toward our Great Mudcat Hearme Guru, Jon Freeman - our resident wizard of the airwaves!! Thank you, Jon -- you're just plain amazing! Everbody's over in the 'Mudcat Concert' session. Y'all have fun now, ya hear! -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:05 PM I tried to enter both rooms but couldn't get in. I'll keep trying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 19 Sep 00 - 07:45 PM Been in both but only me in there will try again. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 07:44 PM Alrightey Y'all -- Jon's modifications have been made to the Mudcat Hearme Page. We now have a 'Song Circle' button AND a 'Mudcat Concert' button. Now, any volunteers for an experiment? Jon assures me that this will work, but I need to be reassured. I need a couple of you to go into the 'Song Circle' hearme, and a couple of you to go into the 'Mudcat Concert' hearme -- and let's see if y'all go to two separate hearme rooms, or end up in the same place. Volunteers should report progress on this thread, OK? Ready, set, go! -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 07:43 PM Mousie me lad........The NYCFTTS is a clinic facility located in Montana and supported by the Mudcat in conjunction with the CIA. Patients are treated through the use of tiples and the CIA uses the crazed tiple bands as a means of world overthrow since their powers of assassination have been curtailed. Elizabeth Dole lost out in her chances for the presidency because her husband, known to all through his TV ads, had a problem with ED (erectile dysfunction). A crazed tiple band was sent and when Ol' Bob was getting out of the shower one morning, they played the Oscar Mayer Wiener song outside of his window, causing an immediate erection. In his exuberance, the senator ran from the house and through Rock Creek Park in his shorts screaming, "Its a WOODY!!!! I GOT WOOD!!!" This of course obliterated any chances Ms. Dole may have had. Cletus was a member of that group, having been sent to the Center for his addiction. While using the computer one evening he happened upon the infamous dancing gerbils and stared at the screen for 9 days in a row. Paw and the Reg boys (Rick Fielding's half brothers--Reg, Reg, and Reg) were overcome with grief and missed him so much that they took off to Montana to get Cletus back. Their sense of direction was a bit off and they wound up in Silver Springs, Maryland where Bill D. through them off his lawn and sent them back in the other direction. Along the way they began arguing and Paw and the Reg boys like to came to blows. This arguing peaked in Fredericksberg, Maryland where they all Reg accused Reg of not having the sense to poor piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel. Then Reg accused Reg of the same thing and Paw accused Reg.....well, you get my drift. Anyhow, they sat down on a railroad track and took off their boots to see who could do it and they were merrily whizzing away not noticing a Norfolk-Southern freight bearing down upon them. A passing news crew filmed this whole thing and luckily a State Trooper happened to pass and saw the disaster about to happen and shoved them out of the way. They were saved, but their boots were lost and I was called to retrieve them. Before I could get there they had become such celebrities that a local store had given them new boots and they were off after Cletus again. Once again though, there sense of direction failed them and they wound up at Sandy Paton's place in Connecticut where Sandy sold them the soundhole out of a Larrivee and sent them happily on their way. They did eventually get back here and Cletus was released after participating in an experiment at the NYCFTTS to cure the common cold using nose flutes. Hence the NYCFTTS is a bit of the Mudcat Icon status place. I hope this has been helpful. All of this stuff is on the threads....just enter Cletus, or Neil Young, or Paw in the Supersearch. Are you curious about Cleigh O'Possum? The ASSparagus farm? Fly-By-Nite Industries and the Amish-Australian Pitchfork Moustache Tuner? Anything you need to know, feel free to ask. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: bigchuck Date: 19 Sep 00 - 07:31 PM Whew. I stand amazed at the road this has travelled since I first posted the idea. As far as I can tell: a)everyone likes the general idea; b) most seem to feel that a special room for the occasion might be a good way to go; and c)volunteers to do the first few concerts seem to be Mbo, Doesterr, and me (or Woodchucks Revenge if I can set it up). I originally had in mind about a standard 45 minute set as a good thing to shoot for. I also had Thurs. nites somewhere in the back of my mind as being a night that would not infringe too much on regular HearMe activities. Concert time might be from 8:00 to 8:45 or so, Eastern Standard Time, again because that seems to be a not very active time on HM. Since this was my idea originally, I would be willing to solicit and schedule performers, at least for the first few tries. I do have some questions, however. 1)I have no idea at all how to go about setting up a special room. what needs to be done and how? 2)I like the idea of archiving the concerts somehow, but am not sure how this can be accomplished. Ideas? 3)What can we do to insure a fairly good sound quality? 4)Will someone volunteer to handle "publicity"? I would think that it might take a week or so to iron out the details, but I would like to just go ahead and try it. I am confident that if I have missed too much that is obvious or come to some boneheaded conclusions that folks will inform me of the error of my ways. Sandy in Vermont
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 07:27 PM ...sorry Dave. The only one I know is only sixteen months old. The Goddesses are protecting her until she is twenty two. But she will have her quiver and arrows at ten... |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: katlaughing Date: 19 Sep 00 - 07:20 PM Alex, you can find out all about it and other Mudcat stuff in this thread: CLICK HERE |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: mousethief Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:33 PM Somehow, I knew rubber tubing would figure into it.
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: SDShad Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:32 PM Great idea Jon! (Slipped that one in under me whilst I was typing silliness.) It's Aine's call, of course, but it gets my vote. Chris |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: mousethief Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:32 PM Can somebody explain this "Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed" thing to me? It's come up on several threads. Is this an inside joke, or am i just stupid (or both -- I can believe it might be both)?
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:32 PM If there is a war of the sexes I shall surrender to the first lefthanded virgin red-head ... Oh hell! I'll surrender anyway.. Harps dont shoot me OK?...Yours, Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: SDShad Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:26 PM Okay, I see how it is with you then, Harp. This is argument therapy, like on Monty Python. *Your session's over.* [No, it's not.] *'Tis so.* ['Tis not. If the session's over, why are you still here, then?] *Because this is my office.* [No, it's not.] *Yes, it is.* [See, you're still arguing. Session's not over.] *I'm doing this on my own time.* [But what if it's still therapeutic?] *Doesn't matter. Session's over.* ['Tis not.] *sigh* *BG*, Chris p.s. I've been working out the details in my basement laboratory, kleptomouse. It involves a great deal of rubber tubing, a shelf-full of out-of-date ALGOL manuals, and some very complex patent law. I'll keep ya posted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:25 PM Chris, as Aine has said, there is no way of listing the Hearme rooms. If only one special room is needed, the best solution is probably a pre-defined room on the Hearme page. It took me about 5 minutes to make the necessary changes to my old page. Perhaps it may be worthwhile Aine considering modifying her page in a similar manner. My page is at http://members.tripod.co.uk/jonbanjo/hearmeold.htm. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: katlaughing Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:18 PM I think the permanent *temp* room should be called NYCTS for the Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed. It has to be something no one else in the HearMe world will already be using. A friend of mine and I agreed to meet one time and picked a name we thought no one else would use; my friend went in before I did and found others from another country singing in a different language! Not wanting to be impolite and not knowing their language, my friend beat a hasty retreat, but it was neat to know there are musicians around the world who are using it in a similiar manner as we do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:18 PM just marveling at your typing speed Alex!!!! *wink* |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:16 PM No wonder math was the only class I didn't get an A in! |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: mousethief Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:14 PM Time to replace the batteries in your calculator, Mbo. if $100=1 hour, then $45 = 45/100ths of an hour, which is not 45 minutes, but rather 27 minutes. Harpgirl, I don't understand the "quick on the trigger" reference. Sorry.
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:11 PM Actually, if $100 = 1 hour, then $45 = 45 minutes. Right now I'm going to bang my head for some metal health. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:09 PM ...problems with being too quick on the trigger Alex?????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: mousethief Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:06 PM That was never a full half hour.
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:06 PM ...group therapy is now over. Everyone send me $45.00. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: mousethief Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:06 PM Is virginity transferrable like that? I mean I'm no expert on the subject (heaven knows!) but unless I'm very mistaken there would seem to be a bit of a technical difficulty involved in what you propose. (grin) Thank you for the kind words, Chris!
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:05 PM Dear Chris, You're going to have to remember the name of the temporary room. That's why I suggested a 'permanent temporary' name like Cat Concert. But, that doesn't mean y'all can't come up with any other names you want to -- Just think of crowd you'll get for the LHRHV(s)!!! Although personally, I'd be pretty hot to listen to a concert by balding banjo players myself...*BG*...just give me a gnome, with a bright shiny dome, one who'll stay in my garden, and never leave home... -- Áine ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:00 PM yeah! |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: SDShad Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:57 PM A question from the Hearme-technically-challenged: Is there any way for the Web Page to identify rooms that've been created to incomers, or is it just the sort of thing where you have to know the name of the room ahead of time? Mousethief, that was priceless. I'm glad you've come on board. You'll do. You'll definitely do. (belated) Welcome. And well, I'm redheaded and lefthanded, but looks like you'd have to book me and Mbo to come up with one lefty readhead virgin. Chris |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:46 PM "Hear voices?" Sounds like a helluva' program for Mario Alice. Being delusional, I think he hears voices a lot. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Alice Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:42 PM I'm going to explore CoolTalk a little more, since both PC and Mac can use that to "hear voices". |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:23 PM You can try Alice but I fear you are on a loser. I have just been to www.hearme.com and the only programs I can find linked to on their main page are their business products. On the previous occasion I visited thier site, I noticed that the system we are using had "disappeared" but they were offering a more ICQ like system for personal use. It has been my feeling for some time that Hearme have no intention of offering Mac support for our system. I suspect that they have now got enough of a name not to need to keep distributing thier free personal products. Hearme do offer a system called POP.x which has Java support which means it should run on most platforms but prices start at $37,500. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:11 PM Dear 'Spaw, You got it right in one! And Alice -- Stir up all the trouble you want to (with the HearMe folks, that is *BG*). -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Alice Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:05 PM Time for an email campaign to HearMe to let the Macintosh people in! (not trying to stir up trouble) |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 05:01 PM So great......We will be having some special functions set up and announced and they'll be given a special room and the person(s) setting it up will be responsible for the room and some whatever bits of moderation that's required., and the Main Room goes on as per usual.........Right?? Is that it? Did I miss it? Right/Wrong?? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:58 PM Yea, Bill D -- Except when you tangle with them Women of Troy (hahahaha).... -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: katlaughing Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:57 PM Oooo.....promise? *very wry grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Bill D Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:55 PM wars of the sexes don't work too good anyway...too much fraternizing with the enemy..*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: katlaughing Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:51 PM Great idea, BigChuck. I look forward to it. Thanks, Aine. One of these days I am going to post a thread to have an all poetry HearMe. I will do it using the Make-A-Room function, post the date, time, and name of the room for anyone who wants to come in and adhere to the wish that we perform poetry, only. It is an easy thing to do. Doesn't need any discussion, won't interfere with anything going on in the Main room and won't start a holy war of the sexes, hopefully. *wry grin, too* (I like that BillD!) MMario, if you are delusional, this whole thing is a mirage!**BG** katlaughing&sighing |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:21 PM I liked that comment too. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Naemanson Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:13 PM Hey everybody, we have the opportunity to start right here and now. What evenings have we found to be prime for this kind of thing? We already know that Wednesday is out because of Mudcat Radio. Aren't there some other conflicts as well. There's Rick's radio show and the regular Sunday night Hearme. What else? Let's set the night right now. That's scary! Taking the intitiative in this place could be deadly! You are all hereby blessed and recruited into the First Mudcat Concert Committee. (So sue me, I'm a bureaucrat!) Kendall hit the nail on the head with his comment about Rashomon. If you haven't seen that movie you should. Brett |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:43 PM Okay, I'm fer it. Who's going to bell the cat? That is, who is going to undertake recruitment and scheduling? What night/time? Are performers to be on the basis of volunteers, or is it to be invitational? How long a stint is a performer to prepare for? As everybody knows, I'm always hot to perform, but what might I be letting myself in for? Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Bill D Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:28 PM I've been thinking about this a bunch, and I would love to
And....though I see what MMario means by not liking 'exclusionary' sings, I do think that a special time 'featuring' women...is perfectly ok. You want I should say why?...Ok..*deep breath*(I do NOT claim this is why harpgirl wants it)...for 35 years I have been doing song circles, and I have noted a phenomenon that often occurs. ...Now in HearMe, there is the additional problem of no visual signals. Sure, some women do fine, and others ARE asked to sing....but I have been in several HearMe sessions where 3 or 4 male singers simply dominated it....if there a few seconds of silence they say, "well, I've got one about..."...or they just start singing. (Yeah, I know, we need to keep the music going...but there's more than one way..) I will admit that I notice this because I am a bit reticent myself. If I just performed 3 songs ago, and there are 9 people in the room, I don't consider it my turn again just because there is a brief silence!..Sure...there are reasons to butt in..maybe even to do 2 in a row for some reasons, but in general, it feels awkward. We have tried having a moderator on occasion, and that kind of helps...and there are other ways to deal with it, but if the women want to get together and trade songs for awhile,(whether or not it is for the reasons I have stated), I am NOT threatened...and I will come listen. I have tried to say this in a way that recognizes all the positions involved, but I realize that some will always take a position that "ANY policy or invitation that excludes anyone is wrong"...*shrug*...You know that *I* would be happier if certain things were excluded from the Mudcat alltogether...but Max may be wiser than me in the way he runs it..*wry grin* ....anyway, this is a long-winded way of saying it...and not an easy subject to bring up or defend...but some of you who have experience in 'every man for himself' (sexist connotations intentational) sings know exactly what I am talking about...... Ok..*pushing soapbox into corner and sitting on it..waiting for the overripe fruit* |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:20 PM You're right dw, it is good to be back on the track. Now we're ready to continue on and discuss the situation about..........uh, well.............about the....uh..............yeah, about the er, uh....................... What was this thread about anyway? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: dwditty Date: 19 Sep 00 - 02:33 PM Ahhh! It's so good to be back on track. dw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 02:27 PM kin I really have the padded room? huh? huh? they never let me have a padded room before, they always just tied me up and dropped me ina hole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 02:18 PM Damn dw, what are you talking about? I ain't the one that's delusional......that's Mario.(:<)) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: dwditty Date: 19 Sep 00 - 02:14 PM Aine, Sounds good to me. It's settled then (I hope). Oh wait, maybe we could set up a padded room - me first, the perhaps 'Spaw, after that... dw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: kendall Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:54 PM ROSHAMON |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:53 PM OK -- How about this as a suggested 'policy' (geez, I hate sounding like anything approaching a bureaucrat - UGH): The Main Room (Song Circle) - To be open to all Mudcatters for a song circle 24-7. Cat Concert - The 'make-a-room' name to be used for any and all 'special events'. How does that sound? Easy to remember -- and I'll let you guys fight it out, but I sure hope you won't. I really want to hear that left-handed redhead virgin!! -- Áine
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: IvanB Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:36 PM MMario, as I understand it (and how I understood it when it was raised by bigchuck in Hearme) he is proposing 'miniconcerts' of performances by Mudcatters which could consist of single performers or of multiple prearranged performers. I believe that what makes this different from a normal Hearme session is that the performer(s) would be prearranged. The normal air of informality (and long silent periods) would not be operative for that particular session. And, if the prearranged performers are all female, so be it. As I said in my earlier post, if the use of the main room infringes on the rights of Mudcatters in general to use the room as an informal gathering place, then we can always shift them to a 'special' room. I suspect, given the number of times I've found Hearme completely empty when I've gone in lately, that we could squeeze in one evening's use per week of the main room without stepping on any toes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: mousethief Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:10 PM Okay, MMario, harpgirl, back to your corners. Now when the bell rings I want you to come back out and act like gentlemen. I mean ladies. I mean -- oh shoot, BEHAVE!
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:04 PM and ps Mario. What makes you think I want to sing music about womens rights, womens issues etc? I've never sung that kind of music in my life. In case you haven't noticed,I like PEOPLE'S MUSIC. I merely wanted to encourage more women and hear more women. I like to listen to women. I could give a crap who else listens or participates for that matter. Put one of your pretty dresses on and join in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:00 PM ????? Did I miss something? |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:57 PM Mario, I hve come to the conclusion that you are DELUSIONAL. I would be happy to treat you. My going rate is $100 an hour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:54 PM LOL Bonnie........GREAT LINE!!! Thanks Jon. I'd like to see that option because I think it would really have some unique opps. Allow the main room to be more of a relaxed song circle as it often is and assure that those who "attend" whatever special events are really there for it. Then again, I could be wrong.........that seems to happen a lot, so what the hell. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:52 PM bigchucks suggestion was performers - plural. no mention of excluding anyone. In fact, the word "single" doesn't appear anywhere in his post. I asked what your idea of a woman's concert was. I said I had no problem with a woman's themed concert. I do have a problem with anything that STARTS with the concept of excluding someone. What is WRONG with having a problem with that? The main room of HearMe is a public forum. Private rooms are available. Exclusionary activities should be confined to private rooms, that is why they are "private". To exclude the public. You have just said you don't object to anyone listening, so it can't be that you think women are inhibited by men listening. So basically it boils down to you want to exclude men. period. THAT is what I object to. As I stated before, I would object to it if it were women being excluded, or banjo palyers or whatever. And if all you want is a women's themed concert, then I have no objections. none. nada. Which is how I OPENED my comments. Since you care to interpret my remarks as inflamatory, and sexually biased, we shall have to agree to disagree. My bias is against exclusion. I don't know what your bias is as you have consistantly refused to discuss this issue, other then to state (repeatedly) that it is a result of men looking for a fight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: IvanB Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:52 PM Although I was in favor of a 'special' (temporary, not the main Hearme) room being used when harpgirl first raised the issue of a women's concert, I also agree with her that, if we are to set up one-person concerts in the main room, an all-women concert is but a logical extension. I always assumed that this would be a session to which anybody was allowed to listen but only women would be performing. And, frankly, I'd like to hear more performances from our female Mudcatters (or guests who're willing to perform for that matter). It seems as if we're talking about planning these for low usage nights, so I guess, with enough lead time and publicity, use of the main room should be acceptable. I suppose if we try it and get complaints that we're interfering with the desires of others to use the room, we can always change the venue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:50 PM WHoa a separate room for a concert would be cool, especially if there's something going on in the main room! Then I can jump back and forth and sing! HA HA HA! |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Little Neophyte Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:48 PM Makes sense to use the separate rooms for concerts and such. Why I think this is a great idea and I would love to be part of the audience. Although, I am not sure if I would feel comfortable doing a concert yet. Those separate rooms are great. When I feel troubled, I go there and talk to myself. Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:47 PM Well Harp, why don't you get your son and come up here to Greenville? Then we can all sing together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:44 PM you too Jon... |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:41 PM Well spaw, it has always been my feeling that special events are better located in a separate room and there is nothing stopping this happening. This could be done by agreeing a name for a room and using the option you suggested or a slight change to the HTML could be made to create a separte "function room" that could be "booked". To clarify my previous posts, the fact that I personally do not object to the above proposals does not mean that I do not feel that a separate location would avoid any potential conflicts and may therefore be more appropriate. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:41 PM you're exempt from charges of sexism, Pat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:36 PM Harp.....I DID raise the question on the original post about separte rooms as did BigChuck, the original poster and I'd still like to know why those aren't used for stuff like concerts and the like. ANYBODY??? I asked this above again in two separate posts and I'm waiting to hear why no one seems to wany anything but the main room. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Catrin Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:30 PM Sounds great! Count me in when I get my new office! Catrin |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:29 PM Yeah, that guy who goes by "Rock Hopper" did a great job on "Splish-Splash" the other night. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:28 PM ...what about single performers only Mario? as bigchuck suggested? Why should my suggestion be treated any differently than bigchucks? I said concert. I said low use time. I did not say certain people can't listen. I did not use the term exclusionary. What the hell is your PROBLEM? Who says it has to be policed? And why not raise that issue to the original post? Christ on a stick, you men are looking for reasons to make this into a fight....I'm not going to discuss it any more. As far as I'm concerned I've made my point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:25 PM Isn't that what has been going on anyway Spaw? (I thought that you and your APS friends sounded great by the way) Yours,Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:21 PM I'm basically real stupid so I need some help here. What is the problem with using a special room for special events? I thought that's why we had the thing set up that way? Let's say we wanted a special performance doncert thing....Its announced with the room name and time on the threads. Or maybe I want a song circle of Antarctican Plumbing Specialists.....I could police it beforehand by not announcing it and inviting by PM or mail all the APS folks without saying a word. Wanna' help me out here? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:13 PM No objections from me Harps, but how you gonna police it??? If someone is in as a guest you dont know who it is, or what gender is listening. Yours, Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:06 PM Sorry, I'm right-handed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:04 PM Dear harpgirl, I have no objections at all; especially if you can find a left-handed red-head virgin! I'd pay see to that! *BG* -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:56 AM None from me Harpgirl. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:58 AM ooo-boy......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:56 AM What do you mean by a "women's concert" harpgirl? If you mean a concert with a theme about women, women's rights, women's roles, etc, then I see no problem with it. If you mean a concert where only women performer's, or only women invited to listen, then yes, I see a problem with it. AS I WOULD SEE A PROBLEM WITH A "Men Only" or "guitarists only" or "left-handed red-head virgins only" concert My opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: harpgirl Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:41 AM ...since we are on the subject I would like to have the main room used for a women's concert. At a low use time of course. Any objections? |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Big Mick Date: 19 Sep 00 - 09:47 AM Sounds great! |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 09:29 AM If you were to use a separate room, it could be posted as such in the forum prior to the event. Using the same name all the time would eliminate confusion on the temp room, ie. CONCERT or something....Catch of the Day? Seriously, I don't see why that wouldn't work. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Áine Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:36 AM Dear bigchuck, I think that is a wonderful idea! I agree with Jon, that there shouldn't be any problem with using the main room. There is always the possibility of using the 'make a room' option; however, you'd have the problem of making sure everyone had the room name, and it is a only a 'temporary' room. Whichever way you all decide to go, main room or make-a-room, I think it's a wonderful idea! If you plan far enough ahead, you could even promote your 'concerts' on the Mudcat Radio shows. Good luck to you, and I'm looking forward to listening to you very soon! -- Aine |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:34 AM Make it a regular weekly event like Mudcat radio, and I doubt anyone would mind at all. I'm all in favour of it. Yours,Aye. Dave (who enjoys listening to music) |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:33 AM sounds like a great idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Sep 00 - 08:05 AM I like the idea Big Chuck and hope that they do come off. Thanks for introducing the subject so tactfully and considering the possibility of it clashing with other "normal" uses. I am UK based and have no problems with the idea of the main room being used but it is down to everyone, particularly our generous hostess, Aine. Looking forward to listening, Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: bigchuck Date: 19 Sep 00 - 07:37 AM refresh |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Tinker Date: 18 Sep 00 - 10:15 PM I'd love to come. Praise, thank-you It might have taken me months to figure out simple etiquette like listing the song first. I'm probably not up for major performing, but I'd love to sing along. Tinker |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: wysiwyg Date: 18 Sep 00 - 08:35 PM My favorite is when songs are done from DT and titles given with enough time to bring up the song and sing along. I love concerts but I love singalongs more, even if I can't hear everyone else and they can't hear everyone, either. Also I now keep a mini recorder near the computer so I can tape the tunes to the songs as they are sung-- just a verse or two to grab onto-- often the words have little meaning till I have heard them sung. Once I hear them I want to learn to perform them too! So I like to learn new songs at HearMe. I was thinking that an old-fashioned hymn sing would be fun some time. I would love to learn what others have sung for years-- I am still new to all that. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 18 Sep 00 - 08:28 PM Great idea - count me in as the usual enthusiastic audience. As far as organizing and scheduling...not right now...I've committed to helping John in Brisbane and Snuffy with Lancashire songs for the DT. Two suggestions: Be sure to advertise the hour in the forum so we all know when to show up. I really enjoyed hearing the UK contingent last night. Would probably have missed them if Noreen hadn't put a message in the forum. Also, how about requests? There have been some memorable performances by so many people. I'd love to hear my favorites again and again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: Mbo Date: 18 Sep 00 - 08:15 PM As the Mudcatter who has the most HearMe hours logged in (I once spent 12 hours at HearMe), I'd like to be part of this, all the way! --M |
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Subject: CatConcerts on HearMe? From: bigchuck Date: 18 Sep 00 - 08:12 PM At the risk of suggesting the obvious, it has occurred to me that it might be interesting to set aside one or two generally low usage days (on HearMe) each month for a short concert by some of our own mudcat performers. I envision a 30 to 40 minute performance at a fairly early hour (maybe 7:00 or 8:00 PM Eastern US time)followed (or not)by a regular HearMe session. If this would interfere with use of HearMe by UK 'catters, perhaps we could set up a separate room for such a purpose and do it more often. The folks on HearMe last night seemed interested. What about the rest of you? Would you be interested in having a concert available? Would you like to perform? Would you like to help schedule and organise? (Watch out, that hooks got a barb in it) Aine, how would you feel about this, as our HearMe hostess? I await responses with interest and no little trepidation. Sandy |