Pain in tha arse

Subject: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 09:52 AM

I read with some interset Clinton Hammond's thread. I'll never post another etc. etc.

I was relating it to my own life. I look after a Uni. students residence. Funny thing happened as I was thinking about this thread. A number of the Uni. students that I once thought a 'PAIN IN THE ARSE' were the ones that became interesting, creative, mature, responsive to change, and lots more besides. Long may P.I.T.A.'s live.

Forgive me if I'm wrong Clinton, but it's good to hear someone seem to say, "Feck the mould."

As for me. I'm fecked if I know if you're right or wrong, but shit, it's great to hear your opinion.

That's just my personal opinion.

BS

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: CamiSu
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 10:02 AM

I've found that most worthwhile things, people, situaions, etc are often difficult. Gotta work at it to get the prize...?

CamiSu

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST,Mr Red " Library
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 10:24 AM

Sorry to disagree, there are PITA's that have few redeeming features.
self-centred, sly, underhand, tactical, arrogant, non-team players are of benefit only to themselves.
YOU BET I have someone in mind right now.
As I always say "Nice Guys Get Shit On"

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:04 PM

Interesting, creative, responsive to change?? Sure... but mature??? Me?????? Not on your life!!

LOL!!!

"self-centred, sly, underhand, tactical, arrogant, non-team players are of benefit only to themselves."

you say self-centered, sly, tatical and non-team as if they are bad things.... If I don't look out for #1, sure as hell, nobody else is gonna!! And well, how often is arrogence just self confidence?? And underhand? Well.. it's an underhand world... step up and play the game or take yer ball and go home...

"As I always say "Nice Guys Get Shit On" " Naaah... weak willed, wet-girls blouse, nancying, coiwards get shit on...

oh, and Guest... while I do appreciate that there are people who are on my side as it were, I don't need any encouragement to be an asshole (a yodie-o, a yodie-o, a yodie-o)... I'm doin' just fine on my own!

;-)

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: MMario
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:14 PM

Clinton - while you and I disagree on quite a few things - I gotta respect you!

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:23 PM

it's be a pretty damn boring world if we all agreed on everything eh MM... Some of the best discussions I've EVER been in have been with people with whom I strongly disagreed with...

And ya.. another point about me I guess I'd like to make clear... 9 times out of 10 I'm not ARGUING... I'm discussing... Subtle but important difference eh...

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:28 PM

Hey Clinton! Get yerself a bran muffin!

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:33 PM

and that from THE weak willed, wet-girls blouse, nancying, coward...

yer pretty funny kid...

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Bert
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:34 PM

Naaah... weak willed, wet-girls blouse, nancying, coiwards get shit on... So, who were you shitting on here

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST,davetnova
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:34 PM

you could say thats drink for you. It certainly is for me.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: UB Ed
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:39 PM

Jeez Clint, I didn't realize you were an asshole until another 'Catter pointed it out in response to some discussion about gays. Until then, I was under the impression that you were simply one who (1) thinks and (2) is able to make their point in a logical fashion.

I'm gonna work as hard as I can to be as big as asshole as Clint! (Gotta help me, brother)

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:43 PM

Look, I've got a busy day here. Buncha students, Heather's just discovered that the SECOND FLOOR OUTDOOR WINDOWS NEED WASHIN'(!!!) My damn banjo's due for a string change....

..SO WHERE CAN I FIND SOME OF THOSE GIRLS IN WET BLOUSES? The ones in wet t-shirts are tooooo agressive!

Rick

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:43 PM

Pretty nasty statement for someone you don't even know, Clinton.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:49 PM

Ya... well.. I'm a pretty nasty guy...

What's this about wet t-shirts rick?? Where?

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: UB Ed
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 04:53 PM

Blouse! Frilly little damp soaking blouse!

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 05:44 PM

ClintonHammond
Looks like I hit the boost button here.
I stand by it, nice guys know they are gonna get shit on, but the thanks they get from genuinely grateful parties is reward in itself.
nice guys don't have to be nice to people who have proved their lowly worth to society.
'sides all that niceness has to be balanced somewhere and they get quite a kick out of it, they just don't play the same game - it hits harder from the wrong direction!
now who wants to play I FEEL IN A NOT NICE MOOD TODAY.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 05:47 PM

Mr Red... I'd be more than happy to stay here and BE NOT NICE back and forth with ya... but I gotta get my rear in gear for a gig in a coupl'a hours...

So another time eh!

;-)

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 06:09 PM

Yeah, Clinton, I know I said you were an outspoken character who occasionally enjoys the Asshole Role, but I don't think what Matt said to you warranted the mean-spirited response you gave him, so maybe I was wrong. Maybe you really ARE an asshole.

I'm not trying to start a flame war here. I just can't stand the bully stuff.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Amos
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 06:47 PM

Tell ya what Clint -- since you basically enjoy the wonders of cyberspace and using technology and all -- whyn'cha learn to manage a simple little issue like tags, and stop being a jerk? I don't like stopping for traffic lights much, myself, but I guess I can cope and subscribe to the arrangement, for the sake of the overall net benefits. Hope you treated your friends in meatspace a little more kindly at your gig. I think first rate Asshole talent like yours ought to be reserved for appropriate targets and real situations. Otherwise it slips over the faint, thin line into Stupid.

A

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 10:51 AM

yer welcome to your opinion Amos... just like I am...

Especially if we both realise that our opinions don't matter a tinkers cuss to either of us... Or to anyone else for that matter...

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 08:26 PM

"I gotta get my rear in gear" -

That sounds as if CH is indicating he is in agreement with the definition inmplied in the thread title...

Personally I think it'd be a real pain not to have an arsehole. Being a tube (like a worm) may be a drag at times, but being a bag (like a sea-anemone) would be a whole lot worse.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Matt_R
Date: 13 Apr 01 - 08:32 PM

Don't forget planarians, McGrath. They exude flatworm-excrement through flamecells in the pores of their "skin".

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Peg
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:41 AM

UB Dan:

Why work at being an an asshole? I should think it would be effortless...

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 03:04 AM

One of the things I like about this site is that just about all a person has to do in order to "not fit into the mold", is to take a little initiative, create something different, and contribute it to the shared effort.

Pretty cool, don't you think?

Carol

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 03:23 AM

Well said, LeeJ and Amos. Pathetic that he always has to use derogatory rhetoric about homosexuals when putting someone down. Kinda makes ya wonder how comfy he is with his own sexuality, ya know? Getting his "rear in gear" could take on a whole new meaning then.

kat

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: RichM
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 04:10 AM

Cut the bullshit, CH. This is not a discussion from you, , it's a mean, putdown using derogatory terms referring to homosexual behavior. It ain't funny, and it ain't called for. Take that bran muffin.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Roughyed
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 04:29 AM

What I don't understand is that if Clint is going to be a mean, self centred, underhand individual why don't he just go away and do it? Why waste our time telling us about it? Does he want our approval or something?

Clint, some advice I don't think you are going to take is that you are heading towards loneliness and failure. You are confusing acquiring the means to buy pleasure with happiness. The only point to life is to help each other. I really do hope you wake up before it's too late.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Banjer
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 05:28 AM

I think we need to step back and consider MattR's statement here.

'Hey Clinton! Get yerself a bran muffin!'

What did Matt really mean here? Was he suggesting that Clinton eat a bran muffin, thereby showing a regard for Clinton's overall well being? (Roughage, when properly eaten, is GOOD for the body)...OR, was he suggesting another means of introducing the muffin into the body, one which would ultimately cause stoppage and make Clinton more full of shit than he already is? I would think that Matt probably was concerned for the health and wellbeing of a fellow Mudcatter and therefore should be applauded for his humanitarian effort!

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 07:22 AM

Happy Easter everyone, and please lighten up.

Maybe this should be called the Mudspat Cafe - we do seem to have a knack for getting roiled up about anything and everything. (Fortunately it normally dies down quickly too, but visitors might get an impression of a place much less friendly than it actually is..)

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 09:57 AM

No... what matt was doing was trying to hoist me on my own petard... I use the phrase "try a bran muffin" on people who tend to be uptight and anal...

Matt and I make no secret that we do NOT like each other... and had until this kept away from each other's posts... Not to sound childish with a "he started it", but he did step up to the whoop-ass plate... Who am I to not pitch to him?

Swan... "The only point to life is to help each other"? Oh ya... tell that to the number of homeless people who die of hunger and exposure every fecking day! Or the number of children who don't get enough to eat in the morning before school and are more familiar with the buckle of the belt than a kiss goodnight! Ball! Help each other... Idealistic... and that's not bad... but niave... believe what you want... I disagree... Same like you disagree with me...

RichM... "it's a mean, putdown using derogatory terms referring to homosexual behavior"??? a) Don't try to tell me what words I can and cannot use... b)No where do I even mention homosexuals... You've never met a mincing striaght guy before?? I know I have... It's like drawing the distinction between a homosexal, and a flaming fag... you can be straight and still be a flamer... The gays have NOT cornerd the market on that kind of behaviour...

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Peg
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:21 PM

Good gods-a-mighty, he just doesn't get it does he?????

So homeless people and starving babies are good little humans, but a young man murdered for being gay is a bad one?

Gee, what compassion.

It is bigots like yourself who contribute to the prejudice that caused a few "good ole boys" (probably latent homosexuals like yourself, Clinton) to torture Matthew Shepard and leave him for dead...and he died.

I especially love your informed discusison of the difference beteen a "homosexual" and a "flaming fag." Remind me again how many gay "friends" you have?

Bran muffins are not going to be enough...I would however recommend a dictionary (or at least spell-check).

Yes that is petty, to point to someone's typos and grammar; but saves me the energy of saying what I REALLY think of this asshole.

Oops, I did it anyway.

Happy Easter!

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Peg
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:25 PM

BTW, I typed in EB Dan in an earlier thread, when I meant UB ED...

so sorry. Maybe I should have just typed in "GUEST."

???

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 12:49 PM

it's a mean, putdown using derogatory terms referring to homosexual behavior

Don't try to tell me what words I can and cannot use..

I don't see anything in the imperative in the line quoted above in boldface type.

Saying "this is a nasty piece of English" is not telling you what to do. It is informing you of a fact which the informer obviously doesn't think you knew.

Alex

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Nemesis
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:25 PM

It's probably haemmorroids (sic)

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Matt_R
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:29 PM

Yeah, Clinton Hammerrhoids.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 04:09 PM

Pleasant holiday to all. Neil

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 04:21 PM

(Sigh. . . .)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Roughyed
Date: 14 Apr 01 - 04:33 PM

I really don't understand Clint's response to my statement that the only point to life is to help each other. I'm quite aware that there is incredible suffering in the world and so is Clint. The only adult response to that seems to me to be to firstly make a personal commitment that you will try not to add to it and then to do whatever is in your power to lessen that suffering.

It doesn't mean that you are ever going to stop suffering - after all we're all going to die sooner rather than later whatever happens. But that doesn't absolve us of the responsibility to do what we can.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 12:27 PM

Peg... you're so myopic that after this, I'm not responding to any of your posts again...

"homeless people and starving babies are good little humans, but a young man murdered for being gay is a bad one? "

I NEVER said that or even inferred that! learn to read what IS in front of you... no what YOUR AGENDA makes you want to see...

Believe what you want about my sexuality, but I am no more latently homosexual than any other male...

I have more than a few gay friends (one cannot have been a dance and a theatre actor without meeting lots of them!) And I talk with them using the language I use everyday... fortunately they are not PC nazis... just gay... For that matter... no one in my life is very PC... and that's just the way I want it... I prefer to hang out with REAL people...

"a dictionary (or at least spell-check)" Ohhh... I have bad typing and spelling... So fecking what?!?! Stick to the point if you're gonna discuss something with me...

And believe me Peg... you're opinion of my asshole is worth about the same as my opinion of yours... Neither one of them is worth a tinkers cuss...

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Peg
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 07:45 PM

Clinton--do you actually understand what is meant by latent homosexuality? I don't think you do. To say you are "no more latently homosexual than any other male" makes it pretty clear you have missed the point.

I am a real person. I am not "politically correct." I simply hate bigots like you.

Interesting that you use the term "PC Nazis"--very revealing indeed.

And do feel free never to respond to me again; I couldn't care less.

But past experience has shown you tend to refer again and again to this issue, and my words about it, and you in your typical oh-so-passive-aggressive manner, will no doubt continue to harp on it. Have fun. You have managed to alienate a lot of people here with your ignorant hate-mongering.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST,The Seventeenth Karmapa
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 07:58 PM

Your karma's going south, my dear....you might want to cool the invective just a tad...Orgyeb

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 08:21 PM

Does anyone know if this guy is real, or is he an eight-year-old with the delusion that this kind of nonsense makes him sound like an adult?

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST,Sappho
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 08:26 PM



To have beauty is to have only that
But to have goodness
is to be beautiful
too.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 01 - 11:38 PM

Good discussion and explanation of latent homosexuality HERE. Maybe it would help you figure out that hatefilled attitude you seem to exude, CH.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 12:27 AM

Kat:

Y'know, I hate to disagree with anything you post, but that page doesn't explain anything. :>P

A

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 12:37 AM

Amos, it does explain what is meant by the term "latent homosexuality." Perhaps you could find and post one that does explain more?

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 12:53 AM

I don't really have any desire to be a part of the discussion about whether or not Clinton is a latent anything. My inclination is to believe what people tell me about themselves in that regard simply because it's probably not really any of my business. (Whether I think the person is an asshole or not.)

Here's my question. Isn't it accepted wisdom that, with regard to homosexuality, the decision about when someone should come out to his or herself, or to the world at large, should be left up to that individual? Or am I remembering incorrectly?

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: GUEST,UB Dan
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 09:43 AM

UB Dan is a guest...UB Ed is a member...some people seem to have a hard time keeping them apart...I am not even sure who EB Dan is, but imagine my surprise at reading through and finding a post here calling me an asshole. Apparently, because Peg and I had a disagreement on the Kyoto treaty, I am an asshole too. The most interesting thing to me is that she continues to proclaim that she is the defender of gay people, yet she continues to use the word "gay" to try to insult Clinton as much as possible. Basically she continues to say Clinton is homophobic and an asshole and must therefore be gay. Nice going Peg...way to stereotype...but I guess its okay for you because you are morally superior.

Chances are pretty good that we won't be able to continue this discussion because the thread might become too long for you to ever post to it again.

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:23 AM

That's a pretty twisted bit, there, UB Dan. You and Carol just displayed textbook examples of turning the defender into the perpetrator, i.e. gays and Peg. No one is asking him to come out, Carol. We are speaking out against his constant hatefilled messages belittling gays in general.

I can't speak for Peg, but as a bisexual and a sister of a gay man, it behooves me to speak out against the homophobic rhetoric if the Clinton Hammonds of the world. If that means bringing into question his own sexuality, then so be it. He hasn't shown any frailty in dealing with such questioning.

kat

Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse
From: Peg
Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:36 AM

thank you, Kat. Well put.

I don't accuse CH of being gay and therefore an asshole. I speculate he is a latent homosexual because latent homosexuality in some "straight" men, including sexual feelings towards men that they find frightening or repugnant (usually because they have been raised to think gays or "evil" or "unnatural"), causes them to display homophobic behavior, and Clinton seems very much a textbook case. I think he should read up on it; might help him understand himself better.

UB Dan, I am sorry if I confused your name with UB Ed. My mistake.

I don't think anyone is an asshole because they *disagree* with me. I am a lot more discerning than that. Do show me where I called you an asshole because of your disagreement with me about the Kyoto accord. I would love to see that.

GUEST: as for my karma going south; perhaps yours would be upped a notch if you had the balls to sign your name?