BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 04:48 AM

Israel's war against free speech continues: three journalists covering Israel’s war on Lebanon were killed today in an apparent targeted Israeli strike on their accommodation in Lebanon’s southern Hasbaiyya area.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 05:39 AM

Further: "Local news station Al Jadeed aired footage from the scene — a collection of chalets that had been rented by various media outlets — showing collapsed buildings and cars marked "press" covered in dust and rubble."

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 01:55 AM

Last night (24 October 2024) was Simchat Torah. This is one year by the Hebrew calendar from the attack by Iran's proxy terror organization Hamas. People are wondering if the timing is related to the current attacks that are apparently taking place on and in Iran. According to NBC news the US was informed that Iran's nuclear sites and oil production would not be directly attacked. (Proportional response?)
Only a couple days ago there was a story that details had been leaked of Israeli plans against Iran as a response to Iran's massive rocket attack a few weeks ago. It was not clear to me how much of that story was released as opposed to planted. But there are apparently real attacks going on right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 05:16 AM

Have to say I see nothing wrong with attacking missile launch bases.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 10:45 AM

Those are the more reasonable ones they should have zeroed in on to begin with.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 09:17 AM

America's latest massacre. I tried posting a video (minimally edited, taken directly on the spot) from Reddit to FB and immediately got my account suspended. You might get away with passing on the Guardian's version.

Beit Lahiya, over 90 murdered

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 09:52 AM

Israel's latest massacre, Jack. We can argue all day long about whether the US should or shouldn't arm Israel (it was my understanding that the type of weapons sent in the last 6-9 months are different than what has been used against Palestinians, so they can't be used against Palestinians) but no one in the US gave instructions to bomb anywhere. And many of us have hope that once the US election is over Biden will finally dope-slap Netanyahu and compel some compliance with his wishes that they form a cease fire.

Netanyahu has made a calculation about the US election - if Trump is elected, nothing bad happens to him. If he misbehaves and kills Palestinians he satisfies his hard right coalition partners and stays out of jail. Once it ends and his government is dissolved he is bound to end up with his trials completed and a prison sentence, so why not keep the war going?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 10:27 AM

The one making the gamble is the US. They want Palestine's oil and gas, and the land to build the Ben-Gurion canal so they can bypass Egypt. They are betting that their rabid rottweiler garrison state can last long enough to achieve that. Netanyahu, Bennett, Smotrich and the gang are just footsoldiers - the American petrocracy will make sure that Harris or Trump will carry on taking orders no matter who the voters think they've chosen.

Hassan Nasrallah had it right. Getting angry at Israel is just silly. America is the enemy of humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 10:53 AM

No Jack. Every tribe had its day and its dark night.
Who suffers most is not the only determination of the most righteous.
In 1945 the Germans may have suffered the most. Everyone suffers in war.

I would agree with Stilly's last post.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 11:07 AM

Palestine has oil and gas? Had to look that up.

All of this, of course, is aspirational. Right now, it’s downright impossible. Though the U.S. is reportedly pushing Israel to allow Palestinians to profit and build an independent energy system from offshore gas post-war, under Israeli occupation, Palestinians cannot drill for oil and gas. Many communities are not allowed to build out solar energy, either. Israel, on the other hand, hasn’t wasted time in claiming these dirty resources for itself. On October 29, its government approved 12 licenses for six companies to look for more gas fields offshore.

All the more reason for Netanyahu to hope Trump is elected, because the Democrats are trying to enact cleaner energy policies. Trump couldn't care less, as is shown with the land he removed from federal protections when he was in office before.

So if you want to blame the war on someone, blame it on Trump, a pawn for so many bad actors, not the US writ large.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 01:14 PM

https://soundcloud.com/denise_whittle/eyeless-in-gaza-song

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:05 PM

Supurb Big Al.

May your underground stardom see the light, I know you do.
Your chords embody the spirit of your words.
I foresee an album of surprises in your future.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:19 PM

Thank you Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:55 PM

Good song. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 07:40 PM

Five more journalists killed, and a block of flats levelled with nearly 100 slaughtered.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Oct 24 - 04:39 PM

America is now in the news for trying to broker "a temporary ceasefire" in Lebanon and Gaza. Why temporary? Does the US consider that it'd be a good thing for the killing of children and the destruction of towns (spreading asbestos which of course can blow inland to Israel too, causing hideous deaths by asbestosis) to continue after a bit of a breather?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 05:55 AM

A reporter.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Nov 24 - 06:38 AM

47 more people killed today, mostly women and children. The Israeli military said its troops had identified and eliminated "several armed terrorists" in central Gaza and had eliminated "dozens of terrorists" in targeted raids in northern Gaza's Jabalia area.
Meanwhile from last April, Mass graves in Gaza show victims’ hands were tied, says UN rights office

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Nov 24 - 07:46 AM

50 children killed in 48 hours by Israel in attacks on apartment blocks in Gaza. UNICEF warns that the entire population of the region, especially children, is at imminent risk of dying from disease, famine and ongoing bombardment.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Nov 24 - 08:25 AM

Watching a country disintegrate: Haaretz reporting that Eran Etzion, a former deputy head of Israel's National Security Council, is calling on Israeli soldiers to refuse illegal orders.
And the Guardian is reporting on legal complaints against an increasingly popular nationalist TV channel:

Among the examples presented in the legal complaint is a Channel 14 anchor threatening the “annihilation” of Palestinians, killing “numbers not seen before in Arab history”.
Another presenter, Shimon Riklin, said on 7 October of Palestinians in Gaza: “We should supply them with neither water nor electricity. Let them drop dead in there!” and tweeted: “Gaza should be wiped off the face of the earth.”
Danny Neuman, a member of Netanyahu’s Likud party and a regular Channel 14 panellist, said: “We should have killed 100,000 Gazans in the first two days.”
In a broadcast on 6 May, Neuman said: “A tiny few of them can be deemed human there. Ninety per cent are terrorists and ‘involved’!”

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Nov 24 - 07:00 AM

On Nov. 6 Netanyahu got exactly what he wanted - Trump in office. That means he won't be stifled by the US (after Biden) - and will probably be able to keep himself out of prison. Both Trump and Biden had a common interest in keeping that war going. Still do.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Nov 24 - 10:40 AM

”In a broadcast on 6 May, Neuman said: “A tiny few of them can be deemed human there. Ninety per cent are terrorists and ‘involved’!”

That sounds chillingly familiar - a common trope in 1930s/1940s Germany. Hopefully someone will have that comment on record when the leaders of the Israeli regime are tried in The Hague.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Nov 24 - 01:00 PM

I think the really smart foreign leaders have recognized TRMP's ability to turn inside the radius of a dime in a fraction of a second. Also his tendency to let down / blackmail those who depend on him.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Nov 24 - 04:38 PM

Presumably a tiny few are human in Lebanon too, like these

“The first victim I found was a child. I don't know if it's a girl or a boy,” he tells me afterwards. “Sorry to explain that. But it's from the stomach and up - from stomach and down there is nothing.”

In the past, the CDF crew have received phone calls telling them to evacuate a site they are attending. They assume they are from the Israelis. No such call comes on this day, so for an hour Samir and others dig deeper into the ruin.

Eventually they find a 10-year-old girl alive. She tells the rescuers that her eight-month-old brother, Mohammed, was next to her.

“After that, we started hearing the screaming of a small child,” Samir says.

and the 50 children killed last week in Gaza, and the babies who died alone in hospital after a forced evacuation this time last year.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Nov 24 - 04:49 PM

Land grab: Israeli ground forces are getting closer to “the complete evacuation” of northern Gaza and residents will not be allowed to return home, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said, in what appears to be the first official acknowledgment from Israel it is systematically removing Palestinians from the area.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Nov 24 - 08:18 AM

Israel killed 40 since dawn in Lebanon (BBC World Service news has upgraded that to 55), and 27 in Gaza, as well as injuring UNIFIL observers in a targeted strike which killed three people in Lebanon.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Nov 24 - 08:30 AM

Piece from the Guardian quoting Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov, professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Brown, on whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 08 Nov 24 - 03:49 AM

Israel's economy is tanking, with foreign investment dried up, more than 85,000 people dropping out of the workforce and 250,000 more who have been displaced internally and lost both their jobs and their houses, and 46,000 business bankruptcies. The attacks on Gaza have cost Israel $67 billion so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 05:30 AM

Thirty people, 13 of them children, were killed as they slept in two Israeli strikes on homes.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 24 - 08:06 AM

It has never been clearer that media matters to democracy. Our country is deeply divided, and those divisions are also being exploited by bad actors looking to enrich themselves and undermine democracy by spreading disinformation. From Elon Musk to the Murdochs, a small number of billionaire owners have a powerful hold on so much of the information that reaches the public about what’s happening in the world.

Blowback is a bitch. In Amsterdam, there has been what is called
THE Jew Hunt.
In my country the attack on synagogues is largely underreported.
There are many tiny attacks

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 12 Nov 24 - 07:12 AM

Amsterdam - football hooligans (on both sides) gotta hoo.
The Maccabi hooligans were romping around throwing fireworks and tearing down Palestinian flags and chanting lovely things - one example went something like "No more schools in Gaza / All the kids are dead / Ole, ole, ole, ole…" Ajax hooligans then hunted and beat Maccabi fans.
All horrible.
Meanwhile…
I think I'm right in assuming that everyone here would shelter people from any group that was being hunted down.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Nov 24 - 09:56 AM

Netanyahu and his fellow bunch of murderous thugs should be facing the International Court of Justice in Den Haag, on war crimes charges at the very least.

Instead, Biden, Starmer, et al are kissing his arse.

Shameful, disgusting, unforgivable.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Nov 24 - 12:48 AM

Poet Mosab Abu Toha fled his home with his wife and children. Now, in the US, they hear of the relentless killing of their relatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 24 - 01:00 PM

I hope that now the election is over that Biden manages to put down a virtual/governmental spike strip to stop Netanyahu in his tracks.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 17 Nov 24 - 01:45 AM

Israel yesterday killed 21 civil defence rescuers, bringing the number of healthcare workers killed to 200. More than 3,300 people have been killed in Lebanon and more than 14,400 wounded by Israel in the last 13 months.
In Israel, extremist nationalists are welcoming Trump and his 'dream team' coming into power in the US.

Elizabeth Warren denounces Biden administration over Gaza humanitarian situation
Massachusetts senator now joins Bernie Sanders in endorsing joint resolution of disapproval against Joe Biden
David Smith in Washington
Thu 14 Nov 2024 20.24 CET
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Elizabeth Warren, a leading progressive voice in the US Senate, has denounced the Biden administration’s failure to punish Israel over the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza and endorsed a joint resolution of disapproval in Congress.
In Gaza an Israeli strike on a UN-run school sheltering disabled people in a refugee camp has killed 10 and wounded at least 20.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 17 Nov 24 - 03:41 AM

From Instagram: six of the ten killed on the Israeli attack on the civil defence centre in Baalbek. Everyone in this photo was killed.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Nov 24 - 05:53 PM

I wonder what our American cousins will make of the news that Netanyahu and some of his cohorts have been indicted for alleged war crimes and warrants have been issued for their arrest.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Nov 24 - 07:03 AM

War crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.

Anyone up for starting a book on the odds against him ever facing the ICC?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 22 Nov 24 - 03:07 PM

Those indictments are just window dressing since neither Israel nor the US are members of the ICC and won't acknowledge its authority.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Nov 24 - 03:23 PM

According to BBC News Channel this afternoon, Netanyahu is now playing the ‘Anti-Semitic’ card, and Biden has backed him by declaring the ICC Arrest Warrant as ‘outrageous’.

What is happening now is precisely what many of us predicted when Israel unilaterally re-wrote the definition of Anti-semitism several years ago, to make it possible to claim any criticism of the Israeli regime is ‘Anti-Semitic’.

Disgraceful.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 11 Dec 24 - 05:12 PM

Muhammad Khalifa and seven of his family have been killed in an Israeli air strike on Gaza; just eight of the 44,000 people who have so far died in that way in the last year. Muhammad was one of the little lads brought to Ireland in 2016 and 2017 for soccer camp.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 12 Dec 24 - 03:42 AM

Historian Lee Mordechai has made a database of Israeli atrocities in Gaza. (Article from Haaretz.)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Dec 24 - 04:43 PM

I'm sure Mordechai has. Always the soft target given the level of freedom of information in a relatively democratic state.

However there aren't boats full of Israelis fleeing their government and trying to enter Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Dec 24 - 09:44 AM

Big Al, I think you may have misunderstood. Here's the introduction of the piece on Mordechai's research:

A woman with a child is shot while waving a white flag
¦ Starving girls are crushed to death in line for bread
¦ A cuffed 62-year-old man is run over, evidently by a tank
¦ An aerial strike targets people trying to help a wounded boy
¦ A database of thousands of videos, photos, testimonies, reports and investigations documents the horrors committed by Israel in Gaza

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Dec 24 - 12:58 PM

As far as I know, there's no civilised way to wage war.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Dec 24 - 02:09 PM

Gonna try for this again:

A conversation about Israel / Palestine

I think it sheds some light on the situation. I brought it up before but someone gave it the William Barr treatment and suggested it was a trivial exchange. It was not, but it takes some listening time. Since then a rather repetitive one sided listing of tragedies has taken up a lot of space here, so why not give this a try?

I'm not suggesting it will change your mind, but it is there to provide insight, not conversion.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 14 Dec 24 - 03:30 AM

Big Al, this is not war, this is genocide. 7 in every 10 of those killed were either women or children.
Yesterday's atrocity: bombing a post office where people where taking shelter from the attacks. Among the 60 killed yesterday was the 193rd journalist targeted for death, along with her husband and family.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Dec 24 - 03:54 AM

”However there aren't boats full of Israelis fleeing their government and trying to enter Europe.”

Not sure I understand your point there, Al.

What you say is correct as far as it goes, but there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of displaced, non-combatant Gazan Palestinians trapped in their own country, largely denied the necessities of life, and trying to avoid the violence of the Israeli regime - violence on a huge scale, immensely disproportionate to the violence of the Hamas attack which started the whole shit-show and which gave Netanyahu the excuse he’d been looking for. This isn’t ‘self-defence’, it’s a land-grab and ethnic cleansing involving war-crimes and crimes against humanity.

However hard you try, there’s no way of putting a polish on this particular Israeli turd.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Dec 24 - 06:16 PM

You think similar things weren't going on, on the ground when we were bombing Hamburg.

It might have been tallyho and angels at one o'clock for the RAF, but it must have been pretty hot for the citizens of Hamburg. War is all rules out of the window.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Dec 24 - 07:13 PM

Why on earth
has this thread been provided with links
to threads about Marmite??

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Because it was a case of opening an old thread to carry on a somewhat related discussion, instead of starting a new one. ---mudelf