BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Dec 24 - 07:19 PM

I haven't got a dog in this fight BWM.

However we take these truths to be self evident.

1)   In a war non combatants get killed. In a way Irael is in the same position as the US when it came to conquering Japan. They could have expended more of their own soldiers who had put their lives on the line for their country. Or they could do what they did in Hiroshima. I think most military leaders choose the shortest line between two points. I'm not saying its morally defensible - I just think that's what usually happens.

2) In 1967 when the first big Israeli /Arab conflict kicked off, Israel occupied a narrow atrip of land facing the Med. rather than granting them the land, the Arab nations swaggered about saying they would kick Israel into the sea, and then failed. Look at at all the states alligned and sworn to the destruction of Israel. They occupy great swathes of the earth, they are gifted with mineral wealth. And yet all their people are in poverty. They constantly have begging bowls out to countries like our own whom they consider decadent. Their governments are by words for corruption, and their human rights records stink.

Now I know the fashionable view is that Israel is an abombination. I just can't see it in the simplistic terms that that I get my ears boxed with evry day.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Dec 24 - 04:49 AM

Civilians were certainly killed in the bombings of Dresden and Coventry. But were they the main target of the war? Were they the vast majority of those killed? Were unarmed and defenceless people being killed the main and obvious aim of the conflict?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Dec 24 - 06:36 AM

As far as i know, its only twits like Norman Tebbit who believe in 'precision bombing'. I remember he called kate Adie a liar, because she was standing outside a hospital in Libya the US had bombed.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Dec 24 - 03:13 PM

Big Al, you are not alone. I feel you are spot on in your comments. EVERYTHING Hamas says or does or endorses is geared in terms of fighting a war. Their policy involves siting their aggressive forces in civilian areas inclduding schools and hospitals and officials that are interviewed there, including medical, are subject to repercussions if they say anything different than what they are instructed to say.

I distrust the United Nations reports.

I don't understand the definition of genocide that allows Israel to be accused of it while EVERY nation around her is most definitely practising selective attrition on such peoples as Yazidis, Kurds, Coptics, and Yemenis are impacted. To me, THAT is an abomination. And, where there are Jews, Hamas practised attrition on THEM. The timing was coordinated with preventing Israel from coming to terms with surrounding Arab states under the Abrahamic accords.

Meanwhile, what is going on in Gaza and Lebanon are acts of war, instigated not by Israel. If Hamas was not in charge of the Gazan side of things, hostages would have been released. The 'victim' list, whether it is Israeli/American hostages or Palestinian Gazans, is under Hamas' control.

And, of course, straying into the Syrian thread, if Israel were not making significant inroads into the Hezbollah/ Iran terrorist masters of Lebanon, Syria would still be under the boot of the Assad forces.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 05:48 PM

An American mother has reliable information that her hostage son is held in Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 07:20 PM

I've been wondering about Tice, too. Thiere was a haunting article on PBS about a prisoner who claimed to have seen Tice two years ago, and the reporter who took down the story retraced the physical description of the cell and it appeared to check out. This might be better off in the Syria thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 18 Dec 24 - 04:56 AM

"Flames engulfed Ahmed bin Abdul Aziz school" in a "humanitarian area" designated by Israel in southern Gaza…
Israel has now slaughtered 45,000 people. Here's an image of Jesus feeding the 5,000 100 miles north of here; multiply the people in that image by 9 to see what 45,000 looks like.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 03:34 PM

"The First Casualty in War is the Truth."

It is past time to acknowledge that the bulk of the casualty figures attributed to the situation have been supplied by Hamas, which is waging a WAR against Israel that Hamas itself started against civilians. A higher proportion of fighters/ terrorists are in that figure than Hamas has supplied, and quite probably a lower proportion of the weak and innocent (so depicted).

Only the information starved, willfully malicious, or partisan would repeat the word of the enemy.

Enjoyed the comparison of a tender New Testamentary image against the evil Israelis burning their innocent opponents. LOLZ

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 20 Dec 24 - 02:27 AM

Who else is going to supply them, robomatic? Israel has killed virtually all of the journalists in Gaza. Nobody can get in or out. Here's a pice by the BBC back when only 11,000 had been killed, on how the figures are collated.
On a personal note, I'm not glad that you find the image of Jesus feeding the 5,000, as an illustration of mass death, funny.
Here's a musical image for you: 45,000 people from the stage at Roskilde, photograph by Matthew Field.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Dec 24 - 09:37 AM

War begets war from 1943 to now. From year 200 to now.
As Big Al and William say "Whereof what's past is prologue.".

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 24 - 01:28 PM

War is instigated by armament salesman and the armament industry who fund US presidential campaigns, Both democrats and republicans were funded billions.
A LINK TO The Morning Star
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/warfare-trumps-welfare-whoever-wins-us-election

How much GDP is Russia spending on the military?
List by the International Institute for Strategic Studies Top 15 Defence Budgets 2020
Rank        Country        % of GDP
6        Russia        5.86%

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 21 Dec 24 - 07:32 PM

The IDF are targeting the Kamal Adwan Hospital, the intensive care unit and the incubators.

“And at some point we opened the window… and the stench was like a butchery… Like in the market, where it's not very clean.” Some IDF soldiers are turning away from the slaughter.