BS: The last days of Thatcher

Subject: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Bert Fegg
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 01:00 PM

Just heard she's back with the mechanics again.

How will you celebrate when Thatcher pops her clogs?

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 01:09 PM

Why blame Thatcher? Better to blame the minority of voters who put her in power, and kept her in power, and a daft electoral system that made that possible.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 01:09 PM

Its not in very good taste to suggest celebrating any one dying Bert - Even The Blessed Margaret !! Though I certainly wont go into mourning !

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Rog Peek
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 01:19 PM

I was only saying today, "I only hope Arthur is around to see it!" Oh, and also many of those who's lives and communities she ruined

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Bert Fegg
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 01:44 PM

Of course it's not in good taste! The words 'Thatcher' and 'good taste' just don't strike a chord somehow.

Why blame Thatcher? McGrath clearly leads a new-town sheltered life.

Personally, I'm planning a mega bonfire and am hoping to invite Jeffrey Archer to sit on the top - I'll tell him it's a book-signing event.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 01:52 PM

Sick

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Bert Fegg
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:03 PM

Why's it 'sick'?

Wouldn't the world have been a better place if Thatcher had never been born (unless you're a yuppie in Wandworth)?

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:04 PM

No

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:06 PM

Gee, I can hardly wait to post to "BS: The last days of Fegg."

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Megan L
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:11 PM

Any so called human being who delights in the death of another is a waste of space.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:18 PM

I think you will find that the thousands of people whose livelihood was destroyed by the cruel machinations of Thatcher would have been mush happier if she had never existed.
Unfortunately the evil cow did.
I personally will have a small celebration on the day I find out that the world is finally rid of her.
I would be even happier if it followed a long period of painful illness where she might be able to reflect on the damage she did to the national health service amongst others. Sick! Not us.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:25 PM

Thatcher and Ronald Reagan made an ideal "couple".

Hard to believe that in this day of Bush fils, Ronald Reagan almost looks good. (No, that's wrong -- "comparatively less bad" would be more accurate.) Richard Nixon looks almost angelic. Arghhhhhhhh!!!!

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:28 PM

At least your opinion is objective and not blinkered by dogma Linn.

G

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Bert Fegg
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:41 PM

'Any so called human being who delights in the death of another is a waste of space.'

Tell that to the crew of the Belgrano.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:42 PM

So the Palestinians who celebrated the deaths of eight young scripture students were doing the right thing ?? NOT in my book !

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:46 PM

I will celebrate no one's death. I do not have to mourn them, however.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Megan L
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 02:54 PM

Or the Sir Galahad all on both sides young men with mothers sisters wives and sweethearts who mourned them

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: sapper82
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 03:26 PM

Given the state of the UK during the '70s thank god she got elected.
a lot of people were heartily pissed off with the antics of the Left during that time.

Regarding the Falklands, why not blame Galtieri? He was the one who ordered the invasion of the place.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: gnu
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 03:31 PM

I want my Falkland Islands back!

Was quite the joke back then. But, young men died. No joke.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: sapper82
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 03:35 PM

Agree Gnu and, as the BBC refused to show, she did weep over the lads who were lost. At least, thanks to her, the Argentine got rid of Galtieri. Had she not had the corouge to take that gamble he'd still be there.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:03 PM

And what about Pinochet? Would he have remained in power if Thatcher had anything to do with it? I was ecstatic last night, and I hope I am again, very soon.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:12 PM

Man, there sure are some hard hearted people around here.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:15 PM

Socialism is supposed to be caring

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: autolycus
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:16 PM

I liked the story told by one of her aides the other week on the Beeb.

The one time she went to the opera during her premiership, it was about Mozart. Now Mozart is believed to have had Tourette's syndrome.

After the performance, she said she loved the music, bur disliked all the swearing. Her host said it was historically accurate.

"No,no," she said,"With all that lovely music, the swearing was quite wrong."

her host patiently explained that Mozart h'd had tourette's syndrome.

She responded, "Didn't you hear what I said?"

    Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: sapper82
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:24 PM

So which Mozart opera has all the swearing? Or was this one of the "Modern" productions where the producer used the music to put forward his own political message?

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:26 PM

We will soon be getting GW Bush out of office...THAT is a cause for celebration. He can go sit in Texas and contemplate how many people dislike him.....Thatcher has been doing that for a number of years, now.(well...not in Texas) Her death will not make anything 'better'.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:37 PM

Funny how few people look in the ranks of their own party for the architects of this country's disgusting state.
It's not like things have improved in Britain since Maggie's departure from number 10 is it? If anything it's a lot worse.
How long has this ersatz socialist party been in power now?
They'll blame the right person one day.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Rog Peek
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:44 PM

Never thought of myself as a waste of space. Ah well!

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: autolycus
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:46 PM

i So which Mozart opera has all the swearing? Or was this one of the "Modern" productions where the producer used the music to put forward his own political message?

Don't know but from the evidence of the anecdote, the opera could not have been BY Mozart

i Funny how few people look in the ranks of their own party for the architects of this country's disgusting state.

Yes I know, but this knockabout stuff is simply a reflection of political, economic, theological, philosophical, sociological, biological (???) disagreements.

Meantime, I remeber that when it was too far into the Thatcher years to continue blaming it all on the miners or the 70s, she and they started blaming everything on the 60s.

Who likes admitting errors, if doing so will mean opening floodgates to a torrent of criticism? And one characteristic I've noticed about the Right is their unremitting relentlessness.

Ivor

Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:49 PM

Like the left's unremitting hatred of Maggie is that, Ivor.

G [who is neither right nor left wing.]

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: autolycus
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 05:39 PM

i Like the left's unremitting hatred of Maggie is that, Ivor.

That's just one tiny steady moan, 'Giok'.

I mean how once the right has an enemy, then the attacks go on unremittingly and if one line/channel gets blocked/answered, then alternatives are found for the attack to continue. For example, the Right's hatred of the Beeb (BBC).

Ivor ;who is a liberal if rather conservative red-green anarchist often found muttering 'a plague on all your houses' and 'to know that you do not know is the beginning of wisdom'.]

   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 05:42 PM

Well we all know the BBC is full of Lefties, don't we Ivor?

G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: autolycus
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 05:52 PM

Say more, G.

Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: skarpi
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 05:57 PM

who says its her last days ?? she home now , keep on fightin
girl .

ATB skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 06:55 PM

For this thread I think you "had to be there." Though the wishing for her death is extremely mean-spirited.

Her pal Ronnie's long gone now, but his legacy lives on in many of the problems we have today (and that Dubya has managed to exacerbate.) I still wouldn't have wished the dementia on him. Just get his sorry backside out of office.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 07:41 PM

Bury her with her bum sticking out of the ground so all who want to can kiss her goodbye!

The rest, do what you will!

Art

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: alanabit
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 07:51 PM

Thatcher the politician was an anathema to me. She has been out of power and unable to do any more damage for some eighteen years now. Against Thatcher the private person, I have no axe to grind. I hope she can live out her days quietly. It should be enough to know that one's opponents pose no further threat. Revenge will not enhance any of our lives and will only make us poorer.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 07:59 PM

McGrath clearly leads a new-town sheltered life.<.I> Thatcherism wrecked Harlow (and new Labour carried on the process.)

But Thatcher would have been nothing without the people who voted for her. That's where the responsibility lies.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 08:06 PM

I am sorry but I am going to put shift lock on. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT WOMAN. NO SUFFICIENT APOLOGY.

SHE WAS AND IS EVIL. SHE SHOULD BURN FOR DECADES, INDEED CENTURIES, BEFORE SHE IS ALLOWED TO REST. SHE DESTROYED THE WELFARE STATE AND EVEN THE IDEA OF NOBLESSE OBLIGE. SHE DESTROYED SOCIAL HOUSING. SHE SET THE TRAIL THAT IS DESTROYING THE NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE. HER PLANS LAID THE TRAIL THAT DESTROYED THE NATIONAL RAIL INFRASTRUCTURE, OVERGROUNS AND UNDERGROUND. HER PLANS ARE WHY OUR ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE ARE IN DECAY. SHE GROUND MILLIONS OF BRITISH INTO POVERTY AND SHE DID SO INTENTIONALLY TO MAKE THEM MORE MALLEABLE TO HER RICH CRONIES. SHE DESTROYED BRITAIN AND THE CONSENSUS POLICIES THAT MIGHT HAVE ENDED THE CLASS WAR.

MAY SHE WRITHE IN PAIN FOR DECADES BEFORE SHE IS PERMITTED RELEASE. IT SI NO LESS THAN WHAT SHE HAS CONDEMNED SO MANY BRITISH TO.

IF THERE IS JUSTICE, I WANT TO HEAR HEAR SCREAM AND BEG.

I NOMINATE HER WORSE THAN POL POT, THAN HITLER, THAN STALIN, THAN BUSH.

LONG MAY SHE SUFFER.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: GUEST,Gaz
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 08:07 PM

In the spirit of the nastiness of this thread, I'd like to wish all those preparing to celebrate a long, lingering, and painful death from cancer.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 08:12 PM

Art Thieme - 08 Mar 08 - 07:41 PM

"Bury her with her bum sticking out of the ground so all who want to can kiss her goodbye!

The rest, do what you will!"

Art Thieme, some American Wanker who has got no Fucking idea of the mess that this Lady had to take over and turn about. She did it Art Thieme and made Britain the driving force of European recovery.

I'll give you a clue Art there is not one single one of her policies that ANY government in Europe has rescinded to supposedly reddress all the harm she has supposed to have wrought.

Hey Art the dollar to Pound/ Euro is at what at the moment? Please tell us where we got it all so wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 08:16 PM

I was glad to see Franco suffering at the end too.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 08:19 PM

I am sure you were Art. You were probably as clueless about that situation too.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Peace
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM

Well, I certainly enjoyed Bert's book, "Nasty Book for Boys and Girls."

C'mon folks. Some jackass member starts a thread and everyone bites? This dumb fuck has posted half a dozen times to Mudcat under the name Bert Fegg. Gee, all today. WHAT a coincidence.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 11:19 PM

'the driving force of Europe.....'

he's got all the polari, hasn't he Jules?

I wonder where he spends his evenings.

We got it wrong. getting rid of our manufacturing base. monetarism. the national curriculum. tax cuts for the super rich. fundholding general practitioners. allowing beggars on the streets and hard drugs everywhere where previously there had been industry. multiplying the number of unemployed . shitting on the very communities people who had kept her and black marketting dad safe from the nazis. deregulation of staple things in the environment like water. general bloody ruination of everything decent and idealistic and wholesome in our society for the profit motive.

we can't rescind it, anymore than we can rescind the work of the Yorkshire Ripper.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 11:20 PM

I'm sorry she's ill though. I wouldn't wish anyone pain or sadness.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:11 AM

Sounds like a good match for Ronnie. He did the same destructive nonsense for the banking and savings and loan folks here so his rich friends could get richer.

But Art, ignore Teribus. The rest of us do. He is nastiness personified.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:15 AM

Reagan and Thatcher, the world may never recover from them.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:21 AM

I'm with Elvis Costello on this one

Elvis Costello - Tramp the Dirt Down

LYR ADD:- TRAMP THE DIRT DOWN
(Elvis Costello)

I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child's
face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
coming down on that child's lips

Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the Lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

When England was the whore of the world
Margaret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
the black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
haunted by every tiny detail
'cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
all she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just squeezed the life from his
only son
And how it's only voices in your head and dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment
And then expect you to say "Thank you" straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you've only got the symptoms, you haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head's like a tin-can
filled up with dreams then poured down the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being blown to bits or beaten and
maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life could be so cheap
but when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down


Ross

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:05 AM

Don't wish her dead, painful or otherwise - just delighted she's long gone.
My happiest political memory was to see her drive away from Downing Street in tears - would that this happened to many other politicians.
It says everything for me that she counted among her friends, mass murderer, torturer and dictator Auguste Pinochet.
"who's lives and communities she ruined"
"Society - there is no such thing as society", (unquote).
Jim Carroll (ex non-yuppie from Wandsworth)