BS: The last days of Thatcher

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:46 PM

What I predict is a lot less than the harm that bitch's friends did, and a lot less than she did.

She and they have done the harm, caused the suffering, broken the society. And now you say she does not deserve payback? She you and your ilk made damned sure that those who used legitimate means to oppose you were railroaded. I do no more than condemn the guilty. You've been doing it since the acts of enclosure, since outlawing unions, since outlawing oaths and combinations.

You think there's some sort of injustice in reaping as you sowed?

Incredible hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 01:48 PM

PS - yes, I know we can't (unless we leave the EU) replace VAT with a less regressive tax, but that is not a reason why we shouldn't.

We could work round it with a rebate system against other taxes, though.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: GUEST,Appaloosa Lady
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 02:00 PM

I'd say that lawyers have done a great deal to harm our society too. Not just here, but in the USA as well. People are frightened to touch one another, talk to one another as they once did, we can no longer even pick a child up, without fear of being accused of something terrible.

When everyone is treated as a potential paedeophile, or rapist, etc.etc.etc..then society ceases to function in a normal way.

I get so fed up with hearing how ONE woman is responsible for where we are now in society.

Political correctness, lawyers, greed, corporate industry, the crazed corporate education system, New Labour and it's Orwellian Values....ALL are to blame, as is the majority of the British population, who have become so deeply apathetic.

It is 18 years since she was in charge. EIGHTEEN years. And in all that time the hatred that flourishes in the far left and the far right, has divided this country. It is time to get rid of that hatred once and for all, and move on, together.

We are one country, one people.

And by the way, you truly do NOT have to do as Mrs.Thatcher told you, or Tony Blair or Gordon Brown. You are still...but only just about...FREE people with minds of your own.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: autolycus
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE All Maggies fault, a woman who left office nearly 20 years ago - How fuckin' convenient, thank Christ the crowd that's in at the moment don't have anything to do with it, after all they've only been in power with a massive working majority for 11 years. UNQUOTE

Well I rmember when Thatch was in, she blamed the previous Labour Govt. for as long as possible, and when that was lossing power, after 15 years or so, she started blaming it all on the 60', "20 years before".i QUOTE We are one country, one people. UNQUOTE

rEMINDS ME OF AN OLD pRIVATE eYE CARTOON OF 2 CITY GENTS TALKING. one's saying, "I look forward to the time we are one country - never did much like the other one."


[No offence meant, nothing personal,Appaloosa]


I still think we should be having a discussion at a deeper level. You know, where the action really is.


   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: GUEST,Appaloosa Lady
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 04:48 PM

Absolutely no offence taken Ivor, no worries. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:41 PM

A definition I've always thought too often to be quite accurate: Power = the extent to which you can inconvenience and discommode others---.

Srt

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 03:50 AM

Hey Teribus, why don't you tell us how well YOU did out of the Thatcher years ?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 04:17 AM

Speaking, for the moment, as a lawyer, I would point out that lawyers don't make the law. They merely seek to apply it for the benefit of their clients. Laws are mostly made by our masters in parliament, and indeed since 1972 by our masters in Brussells, and to a pretty limited extent by judges.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 04:18 AM

PS. The bitch condemned millions to poverty and oppression, and thousands to suffering and death. Just one payback cannot amount to sufficient retribution.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 04:37 AM

These threads certainly bring the rats out of the wainscotting - very revealing to see workers and their elected representatives being depicted as 'concerte slab throwers'. A handy guide to see where people are coming from though.
Why did Thatcher throw her weight behind keeping Pinochet out of jail? Won't hold my breath for an answer.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 08:40 AM

Norman Tebbitt's dad would like the suggestion that she be buried with her arse sticking out of the ground - it would give him somewhere to park his bike.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 06:51 AM

Didn't Mrs T once say "There is no alternative" (TINA)?

TINA to the 'Free Market'!

TINA to a small group of individuals owning most of the world's wealth.

TINA to a world in which a a significant proportion of the world's population is condemned to poverty and starvation.

TINA to a world in which inconceivably huge amounts of money are devoted to the military and ever more destructive weapons.

TINA to a world in which the weapons can be sold to anyone with enough money, even though those weapons are then mainly devoted to the slaughter of defenceless women, children and poor people.

TINA to a world in which torture is seen as a regrettable, but ultimately acceptable, method of oppression.   

TINA to never ending 'economic growth' in which the world's resources are assumed to be infinite and can be used up at exponential rates.

TINA to catastrophic climate change and mass extinction.

If there is no alternative to those things, perhaps we should all give up now - THERE HAS TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE!!

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 08:19 AM

TINA, yup we're still dancing to Hildas Cabinet Band I'm afraid.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: autolycus
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 09:11 AM

One interesting intellectual confusion raised there.

Yes she was always on about TINA.

So what happened to her other theme, the Conservative one about choice.

With TINA, choice disappears.

neat sleight-of-thought.


    Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 09:46 AM

I do not wish ill luck upon anyone. However, I would not wish to become a friend of someone, who consorted unrepentantly with the criminals Jeffrey Archer, Jonathon Aitken and Augosto Pinochet. That is not the sort of company, which I would wish to keep.

Subject: RE: BS: The last days of Thatcher
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 01:33 PM

Having read some of the statements from the Thatcherites contributing to this thread, I think I will will reconsider my first sentence on my original contribution to this topic.
To borrow a line from the ballad about her fellow Tory, Lord Leitrim:
"May the devil eat her rump and stump way down in Donegal".... or wherever she ends her days.
Jim Carroll