BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:37 PM

So Beardy, the "facts" on which you base your "case" - such as it is - are "could have", "might have been", "perhaps", "should have", "what if", "maybe", "would possibly" & etc.

The sad thing is that you're serious.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:39 PM

Do I need to post a few hundred of your recent posts in their entirety...

Oh, please do, Beardy. That would be great.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:48 PM

The sad thing is that you are unwilling to address the facts, and insist on attacking those you disagree with.

This indicates that you have no factual basis for your opinions, and thus have to attck the person who points out things that do not meet your desired view.


I was asked to give a POSSIBLE example of evidence that COULD have been in the information withheld by the Prosecution- I did so, even if Bobert and Richard have continued to lie and claim I did not. If it is withheld, a mistrial could be declared, and I doubt anyone wants that- thou I suspect Bobert will support social unrest and riots regardless of what happens, just so he can claim that anyone who disagrees with him is racist.

I have presented the information avaliable from the trial, while others present only unsupported opinions.


The sad thing is that you are the representatives of those who disagree with me- what a letdown for the Liberals of the world, if you are the best that they can do.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:56 PM

In ANY case, if one reverses the races of the individuals involved, and comes to a different conclusion, then one is a racist. Period. Too many here have demonstrated that that is what they are,

You don't have to be a racist to recognize racism at work.

I agree with the idea that if the man with the gun had been black he would probably have been arrested that night.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 01:12 PM

Greg F''s contribution to reasonable discussion on this thread:


Date: 31 May 13 - 12:53 PM

You're getting overexcited again, Beardy, and somewhat incoherent as a result. Also not good for your blood pressure, you know.


Date: 31 May 13 - 03:21 PM

However, I don't see the purpose of the thread,


There is none. Beardy doesn't have to have a purpose to post nonsensical crap ad nauseum.


Date: 31 May 13 - 03:34 PM

BLINDFOLDED? Hell, he can cut and paste mountains of bullshit IN HIS SLEEP!


Date: 02 Jun 13 - 03:17 PM

A bullet from the back of a bush
Took Medgar Evers' blood
A finger fired the trigger to his name
A handle hid out in the dark
A hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man's brain...

But he sure as hell can be blamed.



Date: 04 Jun 13 - 11:16 AM

Why have any trial at all? Why look at the evidence? Why bother risking a JURY might let him go?

Is that what you are saying???

No, that's what YOU'RE saying, Beardy, or rather shouting/ranting.

I haven't read anything by Bobert that says or remotely implies any of your screed.





Date: 05 Jun 13 - 08:15 AM

Yes, beardedbruce... Use your wildest imagination

Should be no problem, his wildest imagination is the motivating factor behind most, if not all, of his threads.
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 12:30 PM

Those aren't "reasons" Beardy - they're suppositions, BS and smoke.

As usual.

I suppose if he thought he was the Lone Ranger or Spiderman that would be just fine with you as well?

Does reality have no meaning for you?


Date: 05 Jun 13 - 02:46 PM

Elmore, Beardy's fixation with lynching is only one of a host of his problems which need to be addressed by mental health professionals.

Don't get him started calling anyone who disagrees with him a "racist scumbag" - as if Jews were a "race".


Date: 05 Jun 13 - 03:06 PM

Actually, Elmore, he's amusing in small doses - kind of like a toddler throwing a tantrum.


Date: 07 Jun 13 - 12:07 PM

So What, Beardy?


Date: 08 Jun 13 - 11:33 AM

Suspect BB wouldn't [disagree], either...

Oh, you kidder, you. That really IS amusing.


Date: 10 Jun 13 - 02:10 PM

That's right, Beardy - you want a "fair trial - just so long as Zimmerman is exonerated.

Gotcha.


Date: 11 Jun 13 - 05:35 PM

They probably have read it, Richard - they just are incapable of comprehending it.


Date: 13 Jun 13 - 11:14 AM

Calm down, Beardy - you're spraying spittle again.


Date: 17 Jun 13 - 12:12 PM

Send me to the back of the bus.

I'm starting to believe that BullshitBruce thinks he's a Negro, instead of just a jackass.

So, Bullshit: how old were you in 1963?


Date: 17 Jun 13 - 04:33 PM

So, *you* rate Negros as below jackasses, as well as considering "Black and a Democrat " the same as "dumb Ni**er"?

Since he used "just" in *his* posting. He considers that *any* second class citizen must refer to Negros, from his postings.

All YOUR words, BeardedBullshit, not mine. In addition to other problems, you apparently have difficulty in reading and/or comprehending the English Language.

Get help.


Date: 18 Jun 13 - 03:31 PM

The US belief that resort to a firearm is socially normative is out of whack by many other countries' standards.

Its also out of whack with the standards of many - if not most - thinking people here in the US too, Richard.


Date: 19 Jun 13 - 10:52 AM

So what is the difference between you and the Klan

The KLAN? "LYNCHING"?? "The color of your sheet"??

This poses another question: What is the difference between yourself and an obnoxious, irrational, ignorant, foul-mouther asshole?



Date: 19 Jun 13 - 12:03 PM

Pretty limp-dick response, Beardy. Where's your usual verbosity & rapier-like wit?


Date: 23 Jun 13 - 09:15 AM

Necrophilia?


Date: 26 Jun 13 - 09:31 AM

I am interested in finding out the truth

Yeah, right.

By the way, Beardy, what's this lynching fixation of yours? Someone already asked you that a while back, & you failed to answer.


Date: 28 Jun 13 - 12:31 PM

Not only would Texas buy him a new gun, they'd elect him to the US Senate.


Date: 28 Jun 13 - 02:59 PM

Oh, dear - another bout of bloody postarrhoea. Condition may be approaching critical.



Date: 01 Jul 13 - 12:18 PM

Hey! Ol' Lynchin' Bigot Bruce is back! With the same lynchin', bigot horseshit!

Tiresome.


Date: 01 Jul 13 - 03:36 PM

Yet he does accept it, because the victim was black and the defendent is white/hispanic.

More bullshit from Bullshit Bruce, who chooses to conveniently ignore 300 years of southern history and precedents.

For an obnoxious asshole that keeps going on about "lynching" one might expect some actual knowledge of the history of lynching- suggest that he read Philip Dray's At The Hands Of Persons Unknown for a start, or any of DuBois' works on the subject, or the sources cited in Dray's bibliography.


Date: 01 Jul 13 - 03:43 PM

Do you have more evidence that I have missed?

BullshitBruce does not, and never has, let actual evidence get in the way of his Niagara of horseshit, KB.


Date: 01 Jul 13 - 06:28 PM

Yeah, Don, but Paladin was more often than not on the right side of things- he did have a pretty good moral code.



Date: 01 Jul 13 - 06:47 PM

Roger that.


Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:42 AM

And shame on Beardy as a Florida Apologist.


Date: 02 Jul 13 - 10:56 AM

My apologies, all. I appear to have provoked yet another bout of bloody bloggy Beardy postarrhoea.

Perhaps a change in his diet would be helpful, it the paregoric isn't working.


Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:25 PM

Bruce is indeed entitled to his own opinion, Dan, however perverse and unreasonable and unsupported by fact and/or logic that opinion may be.

But he is not entitled to his own facts, as someone once said.


Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:30 PM

Oh, and by the way, Dan - the person most addicted to name-calling is Bruce himself, as is obvious in almost all of his posts.


Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:37 PM

So Beardy, the "facts" on which you base your "case" - such as it is - are "could have", "might have been", "perhaps", "should have", "what if", "maybe", "would possibly" & etc.

The sad thing is that you're serious.


Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:39 PM

Do I need to post a few hundred of your recent posts in their entirety...

Oh, please do, Beardy. That would be great.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 01:14 PM

"You don't have to be a racist to recognize racism at work."

No, but to change one's opinion about what is right based on the race of the individuals IS racism.

And that is what I see here.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 01:18 PM

Page after page of hysteria.

THAT's what hysteria looks like.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 01:18 PM

Let me know if I missed any of your words of wisdom, Greg.


I want to give you full credit for your contributions to demonstrating Liberal attitudes.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 01:52 PM

Don Firth: "Page after page of hysteria.
THAT's what hysteria looks like."


Don should know!!!....Mudcat's got quite a few of his...wanna' see em?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM

Brucie - whatever you might wish, Martin is not on trial. His state of mind is not in point. His intentions are not in point. His character is not in issue. Only (a) what actually happened and (b) what Zimmerman reasonably believed are in point (to an issue of self-defence). The contents of a phone about which Zimmerman knew nothing illuminate neither.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:17 PM

Dickie,

" Only (a) what actually happened and (b) what Zimmerman reasonably believed are in point (to an issue of self-defence). The contents of a phone about which Zimmerman knew nothing illuminate neither."

I think you are wrong. The contents of text menages might well provide supporting evidence for what happened. If they stated "If anyone follows me, I am going to run like hell!" the defense case is weakened- if they stated "If anyone tries to stop me I'l beat the shit out of them." the defense case is strengthened.

When the defense claims that MARTIN attacked Zimmerman ( leading to the shooting), evidence that MARTIN had intentions of violence would certainly be significant evidence, and bolster the case of the Defense. I do not know if that is the case in these texts, but it could be, and thus the need for the JUDGE to rule on admissibility as evidence, NOT the prosecution.

IF Martin attacked Zimmerman, it would reinforce a claim that Zimmerman was in fear of his life, and support the rest of Zimmerman's testimony.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:28 PM

whatever you might wish,

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:37 PM

Wishin' in one hand... shittin' in the other...which do you think will fill up first??!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:45 PM

"You got me." Really? Who says that except in an old western? Almost makes it sound like it wasn't so bad doesn't it?

The fact that George Zimmerman was relieved when he learned the shooting was videotaped does not impress me. When a cop says something like that during interrogation, there is at least a 50% chance he or she is lying. I know that. So does George. Let's not forget how he lied to the court about his assets. George is a liar.

And where was this photo in the immediate aftermath of the incident? Hard to believe it would not have surfaced when the need to gain public sympathy was so urgent that the Zimmerman Defense League" hauled out the friendly neighbor of color to say what a good guy he is. That is not a proper police evidence photo by the way. The video however is evidence. And it tells a different story.

Zimmerman Video

And, you cannot beat somebody up in the way Zimmerman claimed he was assaulted without getting some of that person's DNA on your hands.

There's a lot of lying going on here. A lot of it. Can I refresh your memory a bit more Brucie? Trayvon's body laid in the medical examiner's office for three days before his parents were notified. During this period the parents were frantically searching for him and had even reported him missing to the Sanford police. Unbelievable.

But by all means, our primary concern should be whether Whittle Wannabe Georgie gets a "fair" trial. To hell with Trayvon's parents right? After all, they're only black people. They will just have to make due with whatever treatment they are given.

If nothing else, this incident in its entirety is truly eye-opening.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:53 PM

Gee whiz, Beardy, I couldn't find any "fucking scumbags" or
"racist scumbags", or "fucking racists", or "lynching bastards" or "fucking liberals", "no fucking mentions", "resident lynch mobs", "lying racist scumbags", "acting like a scumbag", "you ARE full of shit" or any of tha tsort of thing in any of my posts that you so generously provided.

OH WAIT! Those are YOUR words!

I'm sure your reading public would be grateful for any other juvenile nonsense that you'd care to pollute this thread with.

Have at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 03:04 PM

Greggie boy,

I haven't used "lynching bastards" - I don't know your mother's marital status, if you had a mother and did not hatch from under some rock.


I use words that describe what people have shown themselves in their own words, in their own post, to be. So, in your case, "lying racist scumbag" is the appropriate term.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 03:49 PM

Like I said, Beardy - pitiful.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 04:00 PM

I'll start this slowly Brucie. What Martin THOUGHT is not in point. Only what he did.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 05:30 PM

Most certainly, but I cannot talk about this anymore myself. It's so ugly, I don't want to even think about it anymore.

Brucie, you're a pain in the ass, but then, aren't we all?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 07:20 PM

Well, Greg, ol' buddy... That is why I don't respond to BB's posts any more... He loves to invent things he wishes you had said, claims you said them and then calls you a bunch of filthy names for having said them... That, IMHO, is irrational... Not to mention dishonest...

Like I said... I once knew a very intelligent clinical psychologist when I was in social work who told me "you can't reason with illogical and crazy people"... Important lesson... You might want to just leave BB alone... His arguments are childish, irrational and dishonest and smokescreens for his highly partisanship... He doesn't give a rip about justice... Leave him alone...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:33 PM

That's OK, Bobert-

Beardy is currently petitioning the government for a posthumous pardon for William Zantzinger, too. That 6 month sentance was cruel and unusual punishment, and there was no real evidence that he'd killed anyone.

Perhaps being wrapped up in that campaign will give him less time to vomit his horseshit here.

One can only hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:47 PM

If not then we don't need to feast on his vomit...

Let it be...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:19 PM

A very important piece of evidence has been withheld. A week before he was killed Martin bought a pair of Argyle socks. Of course he deserved to be shot

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:42 PM

That, sadly, is what it's going to come down to, Bert...

"If it don't fit, ya' gotta acquit..."

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:52 PM

If he ate a twizzler ya gotta aquizzle

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:59 PM

Snoop Lion defense

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 10:11 PM

Don't Bogart that joint my friend
pass it over to me...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 10:59 PM

more Snoop wisdom!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:50 AM

You know..all you guys who are fanning hatred, really ought to cool it. NOBODY was there, and NOBODY knows for sure what happened, or really, for sure, everything that led up to it...and THAT IS a FACT!
What if....just what if everything happened as Zimmerman said it did??..must the race card triumph, just because of race?? Everybody needs to chill out..BIG TIME!...I remember when the Arizona shooting happened with Gifford, the same guys who are pointing fingers then, are pointing fingers now...and they all blamed this nutcase, as being a right wing nut, who was shooting because he was a right wing nut case...and I called for restraint..and people were shocked that I wasn't on the bandwagon...well, this is pretty much of the same thing. Everybody, both sides of the 'argument', all emotionally charged..and raging with their emotions...regardless of the FACTS...just assumptions, rumors, presumptions, and a lot of fucking wishful thinking! Knock it off..calm the fuck down..chill out, and let the evidence come out as it does. One person is dead, and it really was a tragic mistake. If you think Zimmerman decided one night, to go out 'nigger hunting', after dinner, I think you're a fucking moron! If you think because Zimmerman was following Martin, was just cause for Martin to turn around and punch him out, and assault him, you're fucking idiotic!! If you think this thing escalated, because people misread the moment, you're probably closer to what actually happened...in other words, 'reality'. If you think this sad event is reason to make political hay out of it, well you're only fanning the fires for more hatred and violence...and that's REAL fucking stupid, idiotic, and moronic in full blown royalty!..If anything, we should be on the side of peace..and calm...but working each other up, on stuff, when you REALLY DON'T know what the fuck happened, then you are a fucking disgrace, to everything civil, to everything just, and everything that most of you 'SAY'(?) that you stand for!
Calm down, and let it unfold the way it does.....maybe, when all the facts finally come out, you might not have so much crow to eat!..AND...as a bonus, you would have not stirred up fear and loathing, needlessly.

Patience...the wheels of time roll slow...but grind fine!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 06:17 AM

I don't know GfS, maybe Zimmerman did go "out one night". We don't know.

But I don't see that Martin's phone records are any more relevant than the color of his socks.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 06:57 AM

Why withhold them and create a conflict, and a cause for doubt after a conviction.
Let the defence have everything and the jury can judge the relevance.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:14 AM

His state of mind is not in point. His intentions are not in point. His character is not in issue.

Zim claims self defence.
He has to convince the jury that he was attacked.
All of those factors might be considered to have made an attack more likely or less likely, therefore in point.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:28 AM

No. They are not issues in the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:30 AM

I should also point out that if a man with a gun is following you, you are really quite likely reasonably to apprehend an intended assault, and are therefore entitled to use reasonable force in self defence.   So "Martin assaulted Zimmerman" is by no means a foregone conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:44 AM

Of course it is not a foregone conclusion!

If I were on the jury, having to decide if it was murder or self defence, I would want to know about all the things that led up to that encounter.

The judge decides what evidence is admissible.
The jury decides what weight to put upon it.
Why keep evidence from the defence?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:32 AM

Because Bobert has already convicted Zimmerman, based on biased press reports, before the trial even began.

Bobert claims to have such solid Southern roots he "Knows" exactly what happened, just from the race of the victim and defendant. One has to wonder just what dark past he is covering up, from his childhood days in the South, where every white is a Klansman.

And then there are his continuous accusations of "racism" against all that disagree with his political view. He seems to be projecting his own attitudes on everyone- Those of us who dislike the liberal actions ( or attempts) of this administration, and supported conservatives in the past, can't have ANY ( Shouting at Bobert) reason to dislike Obama except "racism".
That seem to be the focus and only point that Bobert can ever put forward- ANY failure to agree with Obama MUST be racism, since that seems to be his own controlling factor. He can't even understand that to support Obama when we objected to the same things by white WOULD be racism

What is he going to do if Condoleeza Rice runs for President? Then I will claim any lack of support is "racism" on his part, and he will deny it- the rules he puts on others don't apply to him,, as everyone knows. Only conservatives are "racist", never the liberals who treat blacks like their own private pool of votes, not even giving them the payoffs they give unions and their bank supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:37 AM

"It's been a great week for gay activists, but Dr. Cornel West is not happy. As the postmodern professor par excellence explained to radio host Tavis Smiley last Sunday, the advances made by gays and lesbians mean that "we black folk are just being pushed to the back of the bus":

Again this has something to do of course with what history books will say. The irony of the age of Obama in which black folks found themselves pushed to the back, [and] our gay brothers and lesbian sisters more and more pushed to the center.

Perhaps West is right, and identity politics really is a zero-sum game. Then again, the good doctor may simply be suffering from a touch of radical conditionedness.
"

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:45 AM

And this latest blogoshit relates to the Zimmerman case how, exactly, Beardy?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:51 AM

Bobert,

"He loves to invent things he wishes you had said, claims you said them and then calls you a bunch of filthy names for having said them"

Care to give some example, or should I just call you a lying bastard whose "buddy" has stated that "Black, and a Democrat" is the same in his mind as "a dumb Ni**er"?

His posts are still there ( at last check)- and I have offline copies of the thread in case his mud elf enabler cleans up in an attempt to cover up.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:53 AM

Greggie,

And your attacks contribute what to this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:55 AM

Oh, that's right- you apply rules to other that you don't bother to follow yourself.

Typical Liberal, from the support you get here.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:02 AM

In a segment discussing the start of the trial of George Zimmerman for the 2012 murder of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, MSNBC anchor Tamron Hall noted that many are concerned that the trial has the potential to exacerbate racial tensions in the United States. Hall and her guests fretted about the "firestorm" that the Martin trial could set off. After making this appropriate and responsible observation, Hall politicized the trial noting that President Barack Obama appears to be on the side of the prosecution while conservatives and Fox News Channel are seemingly supportive of the Defense.

"The emotions involved in this are tremendous," Hall observed in a question to The Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart. "You've written about it. You've even been, if you will, attacked by the attorneys representing George Zimmerman."

"You have people who have that pit in their stomach. The worry that the outcome of this trial could set off a firestorm, quite honestly," she continued. "And folks are worried about that, honestly."

Capehart said that the Martin family, which has called for calm and asked for the public to abide by the decision ultimately reached by a Florida jury, is concerned about unrest.

"Even though the national outrage has died down, the sort of red hot passions that this case has embroiled, for lack of a better word, are still there," Capehart noted. "The level of vitriol and also passion that attends to this case is very, very real."

Capehart said that the calls for calm from all the parties involved were helpful to quell the racial tension that the Zimmerman case naturally evokes. After that bit of responsible reporting, Hall proceeded to politicize the Martin case by observing that Republicans support an accused murderer while Obama would have loved Trayvon like a son. Fortunately, she was only observing how "others" have inflamed the nation with their coverage of the case.

"You have others, I mean, who have tried to turn this into a political story, Jonathan," Hall noted. "We know that the president gave his heartfelt words that, if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon, but we also know that George Zimmerman went on Fox News a lot because he felt that he had a sympathetic ear from conservatives."

In March of last year, MSNBC brass defended the actions of their anchor, Rev. Al Sharpton, who traveled to Florida in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in February, to hold political rallies with the stated aim of forcing local police to charge and arrest Zimmerman. "We didn't hire Al to become a neutered kind of news presenter," said MSNBC president Phil Griffin.

MSNBC prime time anchor Lawrence O'Donnell spent one memorable segment last year angrily interrogating an empty chair after his scheduled guest, Zimmerman's attorney, cancelled last minute. "He literally ran away," O'Donnell said, "he is in our car right now taking him away from the studio."

Zimmerman is suing NBC/Universal, a fact that every MSNBC anchor has been forced to disclose amid their hourly coverage of the trial, after the network aired a misleading edit of his 911 call which made it appear as though he told the operator that Trayvon Martin was black unsolicited. In fact, he was asked to describe Martin's appearance.

When Hall says that "others" have politicized this case, one would have to assume that she is not only referring to Fox News and the President of the United States. Hopefully, she is also talking thinking her fellow MSNBC colleagues.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:16 AM

Source of latest blogoshit, Beardy? Or did you make it up yourself?

Also, you never supplied the source or the relevence of the previous blogoshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:18 AM

SANFORD, Fla. -
For days last summer, various news outlets analyzed the voice of George Zimmerman during his Feb. 26, 2012 call to Sanford police, and reached a conclusion that was inflammatory, shocking and false.

Asked by HLN anchor Nancy Grace what he heard on the tape, one of the lawyers representing the family of Trayvon Martin said without equivocation: "He said coon."

No, in fact, both sides of the divisive case now agree: He said, "punks."

Local 6 tracked the earliest mention of the epitaph to an amateur blogger who, like many, was outraged that Zimmerman had not been charged in connection with his shooting of the unarmed 17-year-old.

A local TV station in Orlando aired a report that parroted the blog entry and, from there, the misinformation was off and running to national cable networks.

It was one of many pieces of misinformation that have filtered into the public consciousness since Zimmerman shot Martin and claimed he acted in self defense.

As 500 potential jurors prepare to begin showing up here next week, Local 6 reviewed a few other myths or misstatements:

Trayvon Martin was not a heavily tattooed, bearded man, contrary to a well-traveled email claiming the media was hiding that image of Martin. The man pictured in the email is a 33-year-old rapper known as Game.

Nor was Martin a 6-foot-2-inches, 175-pound bundle of muscled mass, as the email claimed. He was 5-foot 11-inches, 158 pounds, according to his autopsy. (Zimmerman was listed at 5-foot-7, 204 pounds in a medical record created the day after the shooting; a jail record states he was down to 185 pounds when he was finally arrested in April 2012.)

Another falsehood wasn't promulgated by anonymous e-mailers or reckless bloggers, rather, it was broadcast in open court last week by Zimmerman's defense attorney, Mark O'Mara.

O'Mara stated he had recovered video from Martin's cell phone showing Martin taped two of his "buddies" beating up a homeless man. In fact, it was video of two homeless man fighting over a bicycle, O'Mara acknowledged days later. He apologized for the misstatement.

Finally, the most trivial of the myths, but one so prevalent it should be corrected: There was no iced tea.

The Skittles and iced tea narrative, along with the hoodie Martin was wearing, has become iconic in the aftermath of the shooting.

But evidence photos released last week show it was actually an Arizona brand fruit drink Martin carried with him when he died.

Again, a trivial matter, but, for those truly interested in facts, one that needs to be corrected.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/myths-misstatements-surround-trayvon-martins-death/-/1637132/20441210/-/9jlkj1z/-/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:19 AM

Greggie,

The only shit being posted is you.



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-anchor-concerned-about-zimmerman-trial's-firestorm-potential-proceeds-to-politicize-it/

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:49 AM

Keith A in Hertford,

Your argument that stuff in Martin's life prior to being murdered is fair game is not only wrong but down right disrespectful to the victim...

There is a reason why past sexual activities by rape victims is not admissible in court... The logic is that it does not justify the rape... The exception, of course, is spousal rape... But the fact that a woman has had _____ sex partners in her life does not give an unknown rapist an excuse for his behavior... It is not relevant...

As for leaving it to the judge and jury to decide??? If the trial is conducted fairly then, yeah, that's the way it is supposed to work, however, we have already seen enough misconduct by both the judge and the defense team to see that is not the case here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: pdq
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:58 AM

...here is a photo of the back of Zimmerman's head the night of the shooting:


http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_ssh.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:17 AM

"A witness in the George Zimmerman trial described his wounds as "insignificant" and "non–life threatening." Dr. Valerie Rao, a medical examiner, made the determination after reviewing video and photographs of Zimmerman after his deadly confrontation with Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman, who faces a second-degree murder charge for shooting the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head against the ground. Rao told the jury she believed that happened maybe once. Zimmerman claims he shot Martin in self-defense."

Read it at ABC News
July 2, 2013 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:20 AM

Ok, ready to fry George again!

Don, huh?

End of big night of drinking. Nonsensical bordering on incoherent. BWI. Ought to be a law against it. They need to invent a smart phone with a built in alcohol sensor that will cut you off from posting just as soon as your ability to reason slips away until morning. If I have ever posted anything that didn't make sense or emailed songs about brother, it's generally that. I know it seems like some sort of psychotic break but it's not.

So I'm pretty sure I was making fun of people (of which I have known several growing up in the drug culture of the seventies and eighties) who drink and snort coke or crystal so they can stay up all night and half the next day getting drunker and more strung out instead of going to sleep. I'm pretty sure I was announcing my superiority over such foolish individuals. Except a.) It was completely off topic and b.) completely devoid of any decipherable context.

I'm going to have to tell my drinking partners to start hiding my phone after 12. There's no other way.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:23 AM

Brother should be brotherhood :-)