carol thatcher death threats

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 04:37 AM

"she meant to compare her to a golliwog in a more academic sense."

Lol! There's an entire sketch could be launched from that.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 06:59 AM

Do you mean this "her" - Lox & Rosie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-Wilfried_Tsonga

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:04 AM

No, I think there must be some mistake, *that* black tennis player looks nothing like a golliwog...

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:06 AM

Well that seals it then Teribus.

You have proved beyond doubt that Carols remarks were not only reasonable but an accurate description.

Good boy.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:07 AM

See here:

Spot the Difference

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:17 AM

You see teribus, I don't give a shit which black person Thatcher compared to a Golliwog.

Just as you fully understand my posts but don't give a shit.

And Carol thought it was all hilarious.

Just like you.



So let me be the firat to congratulate you in your brave fight to defend your right to be an insulting aggressive ignoramus.

Your banner portrays a simple message and is flying high.


Give yourself a pat on the back.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 08:02 AM

Well Guest Lox at least, before jumping in foot-first, frothing with indignation I knew who she was bloody well talking about and unlike you so far have offered no opinion on the matter at all. So do not put words into my mouth or take me to task for opinions that I have not offered.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lox
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 12:26 PM

Oh right - so you weren't supporting her then ...

... you were just trolling.

Well then I'll ignore your little pea shooter.

Who's frothing?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 03:26 PM

Thatcher was featured in a programme last year when she first went to Las Malvinas and spoke to the arogant oiks there, followed by a visit to Argentina where she met parents of Argentine conscripts who were slaughtered by the tattooed hoardes of the British Army. She behaved in a totally unacceptable. She showed herself to be as unfeeling as that other Thatcher woman.

But gollywogs - big fuss about nothing.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 08:00 AM

Bonzo3Legs:
Thatcher was featured in a programme last year when she first went to Las Malvinas and spoke to the arogant oiks there, followed by a visit to Argentina where she met parents of Argentine conscripts who were slaughtered by the tattooed hoardes of the British Army. She behaved in a totally unacceptable. She showed herself to be as unfeeling as that other Thatcher woman.
You seem unaware that the reason the British troops (tattooed hoardes) were present in The Falkland Islands (Las Malvinas) was because of an attempt by a local army to take possession of the islands by force, against the will of the public (arrogant oiks) then living there.
Re-writing geography & history reflects badly not on the name of Thatcher, but on the contrived name of Bonzo3legs.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 12:59 PM

"was because of an attempt by a local army to take possession of the islands by force"
A bit like the US, Britain, Israel....... et al..
They didn't realise that you had to be a club member before you invaded anywhere - silly bastards (unless you could make a case for W.M.D. of course).
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:04 PM

what about the belgrano well she gave the order to sink it as it was sailing AWAY from the island just to start her wee war were so many people in uniform died just so she could stay in power

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:10 PM

Nigel,

I got the impression that Bonzos post was intentionally ironic and implying a view that if Thatcher were so inconsiderate then she might not have made such a trip.

I haven't seen the documentary so maybe Thatcher did behave inappropriately whilst there.

Either way, I don't think it particularly matters.

The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable.

The answer to that is of course a resounding no.

The secondary issue and the context of the discussion is whether it is reasonable for someone with considerable public influence to go round comparing Black People to Golliwogs and yet to expect that there should be no consequences at all.

The answer to that is also a resounding no.

Sadly a third issue has been whether it is acceptable take the opportunity in discussions about race to single people out and refer to them in a disparaging manner because of their race.

Once again the answer is no.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:58 PM

"The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable."
Only if you wish to make it so Nigel.
The main issue for many of us is whether people in the public eye should be ignored or excused when they spout racist garbage - a fairly common practice with some of the great and the good nowadays.
Any twerp can issue a meaningless death-threat - but it took a hard-nosed individual like her mother to actually put such threats into practice - with an election on the horizon of course - not to mention the many thousands of lives she ruined of course.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 02:56 PM

donot forget the miners who died during the miners strike .

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:04 PM

Or the people that the striking miners killed Cap'n

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:16 PM

You seem unaware that the reason the British troops (tattooed hoardes) were present in The Falkland Islands (Las Malvinas) was because of an attempt by a local army to take possession of the islands by force, against the will of the public (arrogant oiks) then living there.
Re-writing geography & history reflects badly not on the name of Thatcher, but on the contrived name of Bonzo3legs.

The local army you mention was acting under orders from the military junta, largely feared and hated by the Argentine people at that time, in an effort to divert attention from the dirty war. If you were to stand by the Malvinas Memorial in Buenos Aires as I have done many times on Malvinas Day in April - perhaps you would understand.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:28 PM

"Or the people that the striking miners killed Cap'n "
No surprise that a supporter of the slaughter of civilians in Gaza and a closet racist turns out to be a Thatcherite
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 06:01 PM

So Jim are you saying that the people "murdered" by striking miners should not be remembered?? That they are so much less than the victims you and captain Birdseye apparently seem to favour??

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 06:49 PM

No I am not - I'm saying that the frustration felt by people who were beings starved and driven back to work by a Prime Minster who was prepared to use the police force as a private army in order to break the strike should be understood in the context of what was happening at the time.
The men who threw the concrete and killed the taxi driver were punished, and rightfully so; the police who baton charged the strikers and their supporters were not, nor was the scab driver who crushed the picket to death.
When it comes down to it, the real criminal was your friend the racist's mammy, and she, like her friend Pinochet, will go to her grave unpunished, more's the pity.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:23 AM

Jim Carroll:
"The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable."
Only if you wish to make it so Nigel.
Please don't attribut other peoples words to me!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:30 AM

"The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable."
Sorry Nigel - my apologies - misread the posting
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 10:07 AM

Still jumping in with both feet again Jim??

Miners during the strike put themselves into a position of confrontation with the law. The police were deployed to ensure that picketing remained within the bounds of the law - it didn't. the Police were guiltless in discharging their duty.

You should PM another mudcat member, Bryn Pugh, he can tell you about going out with knitting needles dipped in shit and prepared to stick into police horses. The pair of you would get along together really well.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 12:17 PM

"Still jumping in with both feet again Jim??"
Still brown-nosing the establishment Teribus
Thatcher's admiration for Pinochet made it quite clear that she would happily have adopted the tactics he used in Chile against anybody who opposed her - now there's a thought - Wembley Stadium as a holding/torture centre, just like Santiago.
Even the most neutral commentators of the strike could not avoid the obvious enthusiasm with which the 'guardians of law and order' supported Thatcher and her minions; from their waving of wage packets at the men on the picket line, the military-type charges through the mining villages, to the mounted baton-charges at Orgreave and other demonstrations
We were caught in a three hour traffic-jamb on the way to Manchester when the police (just) fell short of declaring martial law by barricading mining villages off the motorway - discharging their duty, my arse.
I find threads like this incredibly revealing - not from the behavior of a brain-dead like Carol Thatcher - you really wouldn't expect anything else.
On the one hand you have her and Prinny and the Duke spouting racist shite - and Terabus and his friends leaping to their defence; on the other, some poor saddo (if he/she wasn't an invention of Thatcher's PR squad) making a supposed death threat, and there are the brown-noses holding their collective hands up in horror. Does anybody take such things seriously? The (neutral) police certainly don't otherwise we would have road-blocks, strip searches and doors kicked in at midnight - after all, this is a THATCHER we're talking about. Even the scabloid press can't bother there arses with it.
Racism effects, damages, and even destroys peoples lives (not to mention killing people); those who indulge in it are thugs, and those who apologise for it are spineless thugs who haven't the bottle to act on their perverted beliefs.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:23 PM

"You should PM another mudcat member, Bryn Pugh, he can tell you about going out with knitting needles dipped in shit and prepared to stick into police horses."

Bryn Pugh, has not posted to this thread as far as I'm aware. He is not here to respond to your graphic and antagonistic allegation, be it true or otherwise.
I'm personally getting sick of seeing such personally directed aggro comments directed at other posters on Mudcat.
I hope there are some moderators observing the potentially slanderous comments on this thread.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:32 PM

Oh Sleepy they are certainly no slanderous comments on this web-site, but then of course there wouldn't be would there?

Slander applies to the spoken word it's libel that applies to the written word.

Check Bryn Pugh's posts and you will find that he boasted about it before going out to join the picket lines, oddly enough I think that was another anti-Thatcher type thread.

More highly emotive left-wing clap-trap Jim - lot of words saying absolutely SFA - start taking more water with it Jim.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:46 PM

OK, maybe 'Potential Slander' was the wrong term, perhaps 'Actual Smuggery and Twatship' would be more legally correct? Must go and check my OED... ;-)

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:53 PM

"I'm personally getting sick of seeing such personally directed aggro comments directed at other posters on Mudcat." - Sleepy Rosie

You mean like:

"OK, maybe 'Potential Slander' was the wrong term, perhaps 'Actual Smuggery and Twatship' would be more legally correct? Must go and check my OED"

Obviously not that sick eh?? By the bye you needn't bother checking

- Slander = spoken word
- Libel = written word

Unlike yourself or Jim I check before I write.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:57 PM

Didn't think I would come back to this nonesense, but having read an interesting article in today's Times on religious sectarianism among football "supporters", I wondered if Lox would like to clambour into the Rangers end at Parkhead taking his righteous indignation with him, rather than getting into a hissy fit about golliwog remarks made by one of the intellectually challenged.
It would certainly improve his perspective regarding bigotry, if not the shape of his head!

And by the way Lox you fucker, before you start grovelling again, try "amending" the really offensive part of your post, which inferred that I was bigoted against another member because she is black.
I have issues regarding the agenda of said member, but none regarding her race or colour!
If you cant see my previous posts stating my opposition to racists and racism, then you must be blind as well as stupid.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:00 PM

Rosie ...please stay in Numptyland....it's cold and hard down here!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:36 PM

Ake,

I didn't infer or imply anything.

I said you singled her out.

Which you did.

I don't think you're a bigot but I do think you made an error of judgement.

It might be arguable that I had an agenda, or that you did, or that Teribus does, but in the absence of any posts whatsoever from the person in question it is hard to see how she has any relevance to this thread.

There are plenty of people on this site who share her views - you could have chosen one of them.

I'll just have to accept that its a coincidence.

By the way, I've been all over this world, and met real bigots and challenged them and my head is just fine thanks - though you're more likely to find me at the Celtic end.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:37 PM

>"OK, maybe 'Potential Slander' was the wrong term, perhaps 'Actual Smuggery and Twatship' would be more legally correct? Must go and check my OED"

Obviously not that sick eh??<

Fair enough. My guess is that's the first instance here, of me breaking my own rule not to engage in personally directed shit-throwing.

I retract my comments.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Gervase
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 06:35 PM

Unlike yourself or Jim I check before I write.
And always makes sure the pomposity and self-delusion UDK is fully engaged and turned up to 11.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 06:47 PM

Much appreciated Rosie thank you.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 08:43 AM

Teribus -

perhaps YOU should check my threads. I spoke in terms of hatpins not knitting needles.

Jim Carroll and I get, and got, on extremely well, thank you.

He and I shared many a convivial evening of song and politics. Jim Carroll is a man whom I admire and respect, and whom I am proud to call a friend.

Birds of a feather gregariate, of course.

Now, get back under your bridge, before I call Great Big Billy Goat Gruff to see to you.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 10:48 AM

Ah thanks for that clarification Bryn it was hat pins dipped in shit that were prepared so that they could be stuck into police horses.

I'm sure that there is some sort of fine humanitarian distinction there that I am missing out on - perhaps less painful for the horses without losing the toxic effect was it??

I still find anyone admitting to such a reprehensible practice or condoning it beneath contempt.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 11:11 AM

Teribus -

If being beneath your contempt was my only problem, I wouldn't have a care in the world.

Moreover - it wasn't the horses that such implements were stuck into.

Draw your own conclusions.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 01:32 PM

Will you two get a room?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 05:47 PM

"Moreover - it wasn't the horses that such implements were stuck into." - Bryn Pugh

Well then Jim-Lad still want to tell me about law-abiding "miners" peacefully protesting??

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 06:50 PM

Apologists for Thatchers brown shirts, and for the British government's actions in the North of Ireland, wouldn't understand the use of such tactics. But then they never have understood. They didn't understand it in the 1770's, the 1970's, or any other time. When one is facing an adversary that has them outgunned, and uses the cover of the establishment to justify their evil agenda, then those that are fighting for a legitimate cause fight back using whatever tactic will allow them an edge. I do not expect apologists to get this. But there it is.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 01:36 AM

"When one is facing an adversary that has them outgunned, and uses the cover of the establishment to justify their evil agenda, then those that are fighting for a legitimate cause fight back using whatever tactic will allow them an edge." - Big Mick

So according to that you must see nothing wrong at all with Al-Qaeda's attacks of the 11th September, 2001 Big Mick

Big Mick if you are saying that the "ends justifies the means" then you would be demonstrating a naivety beyond belief if you were to further state that that only applied to one side in any situation.

Some examples from Northern Ireland:

- Are you telling me Big Mick that the paramilitaries didn't torture people? Mrs Jean McConville would disagree were she still alive.

- Are you telling me that the paramilitaries did not pursue a "Shoot-to-kill" policy? Even extending to their own if the PR angle could be worked to their advantage.

- Are you telling me that the paramilitaries in their bombing campaigns did not deliberately and indiscriminately target innocent civilians?

If you are prepared to use whatever means you have at your disposal to combat an enemy - you have no right whatsoever to complain or feel outraged if your opponent does exactly the same.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 03:49 AM

Mick - do you know which dispute Bryn is referring to?

The fight Bryn was involved in is NOT comparable to the situation in the North of Ireland, and to compare the two demonstrates a real misunderstanding of what was happening at the time.

Shine on - if only this godawful woman had stuck to making Mr Whippy the world would surely be a better place.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 04:52 AM

Some years ago while she was appearing on UK TV programme Channel 4, Ms Thatcher told host Richard Whitley that she intended to tell an Irish joke, although she was cautioned by Whitley and told `Countdown` was very popular in Ireland and some people might find the joke offensive, she continued to tell the `joke`.
The basis of the `joke` was, "NASA sent its latest rocket to the moon carrying an Irishman and a monkey. The monkeys training and instructions were to measure air pressure, collect soil samples,etc,
The Irishmans instructions were to feed the monkey",.
Whitley was clearly embarrassed and did what he could to save face from a startled and silent audience.
This woman hasn`t changed, although she can be excused as her character is inborn.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 05:52 AM

Aye - as thay say where I come from, What's bred in the bone'll come out in the flesh.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 07:38 AM

Here's one for all the thick paddy's ...



... An Irishman came to London looking for work.

Typical of all Irishmen in London, the first place he looked was a building site.

He asked the foreman "misther d'ye have any woork" (he had a strange accent)

to which the foreman replied - I do - but first you have to tell me the difference between a joist and a girder ...

The Irishman scratched his head and said:

"well now .. Sure thats aisy ... didn't joist write "ullysses" and didn't girder write "faust"?"



Boom boom

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 08:33 AM

"This woman hasn`t changed, although she can be excused as her character is inborn."

Well, I don't subscribe to nature over nurture as a way of absolving people of responsibility for their actions so I won't excuse her. This woman is still feted in the Conservative Party as being one of the best Prime Minister's ever and there are plenty in this country who share the same view. The damage she has done to the people of these Islands is going to take a long time to heal, even without the agitation of those who don't live here and have to live with the consequences.

Bollocks to the cow, her criminal brother and her bigoted daughter.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 09:40 AM

Criminal son ...

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 09:55 AM

Whatever.

Bollocks to people posting jokes about thick Paddys too.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 10:26 AM

I think the 'thick Paddies joke' was supposed to be ironic. ie: it's a joke where the punchline demonstrates that it's actually lambasting 'thick Irish jokes', and as such, in this context Lox is likewise lambasting Thatchers own golliwog joke..

Maybe you recognised that and still thought it inappropriate?

Such humour which highlights issues such as racism, where there has always been a nicely virulant cesspool of 'traditional' stereotype based jokes, is an interesting one though.
Particularly where it does and doesn't work, or can be seen as acceptable?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 10:42 AM

"Maybe you recognised that and still thought it inappropriate?"

In all honesty no I didn't, so I apologise if my remarks cause offence as a result of my own ignorance, but then I've become so disillusioned on these sort of threads of late perhaps it's time to take a break.

So much hatred and ignorance. What a fucking world we've built for ourselves.