Catholic Priest clears his chest

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 01:59 PM

GUEST 24 Oct 05 - 03:34 PM IS THAT IT!!!!!!

Finally you come up with something that led you to state:

On this thread on 19 Oct 05 - 07:49 PM, "Teribus ..... I see you boasted that you made IRA men squeal like pigs, do you feel proud of this?"

Now let us see what I said on that post of mine that you have been furiously pm-ing to yourselves:

"As to the question asked a little bit earlier on:

"how would YOU get the information you needed? What is an acceptable way of gaining intelligence?"

How about:
- Remove watch, or any other means of referencing time
- Completely dark room
- Complete and utter silence

Place person to be interrogated under the above circumstances for approximately 3 - 6 hours, then just sit him down and talk to him quietly and rationally - it's amazing how effective it is."

Just a couple of points on the above that would be pretty self evident to anyone with even basic skills in comprehension of the English language.

1. The questions asks how would you, NOT how did you.
2. There is no reference to the IRA

But it does square with the very clear statement I made earlier regarding never having interrogated anyone in my life, but knowing of interrogation techniques used - exposure to them happened to be part of your training.

Guest; Guest Fiolaris; Divis Sweeney - you are a liar and a dissembler who would not recognise, or know, the truth if it jumped up and bit you on the nose.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 02:04 PM

Tír Chonaill I know of many ex British soldiers who come over here with their families and go on the tours of Belfast by bus.Many talk about their experiences, but most feel it's a bit early to talk publicly.I have on the other hand meet ex soldiers in England who served in the North and were proud to talk about it, well they have that right, after all they were on their own turf.I laughed when I read your earlier post. I can relate exactly to what you said there.Been there listened to it and in fact one night in London a few years back sat talking to one about it. And while he was there in Belfast I was there in London. Interesting conversation ! See all you doubters out there we can be civil !

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 02:11 PM

You obviously didn't read the post beneath it, Teribus

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Fiolaris
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 05:06 PM

Have to agree with you GUEST. When Divis talks about the future in Ireland it's postive. Seems to want peace and to put the past where it belongs.Has even said sorry for what happened. But that guy teribus seems stuck in the past going on and on about old deeds that the IRA did. There will never be a future in Ireland when dinosaurs like that are looking in on it. Pity he doesn't realise that few if any here are interested in his old stories and anyway he wouldn't be called upon to have any input to the peace process.My father served in the army and never spoke once about what he went through in Anzio with the Inniskillings. Never once called the enemy he fought vile names.Then again he was a professional soldier and Irish !

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 10:04 PM

Holy God, Teribus, you'd think the world had ended the way you're getting on...
Somebody recalls from the back of beyond somewhere that you said that (or as is my opinion, you said words to that effect).

Nobody quite remembers where, cos you've said worse, and as your posts rarely creep above the quality of jingoistic white noise in the first place, frankly my deer, no one really gives a cow.

You seemed fairly willing to send your comrades off to their death in Iraq on a similar amount of evidence that the rest of the world required.

If memory serves me correctly, looking through your posting history, you sorta slipped under the radar, somewhere around the time of the scandal surrounding the British Army torture pictures.

Yeah, yeah Teribus.
Now you know what it's like to be demonised....

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:05 AM

GUEST,Tír Chonaill - 25 Oct 05 - 10:04 PM

My world has far from ended TC, the point is and always has been that GUEST; GUEST FIOLARIS; DIVIS SWEENEY lied, they were caught out at it and have tried to wriggle out of it - not unusual or uncharacteristic for people who support the particular paramilitary group that they do. The lying and dissembling, after all this time, has probably become second nature and they probably just cannot help it.

I did not send anyone away to war - I think that was done by the British Government - were they right to do so - Yes. The "evidence" that convinced them was supplied by the UN.

"If memory serves me correctly, looking through your posting history, you sorta slipped under the radar, somewhere around the time of the scandal surrounding the British Army torture pictures."

And if your memory continued to serve you correctly you will also remember that those 'torture pictures' hastely rushed into print by Piers Morgan to sell his paper were also fakes.


"GUEST,Fiolaris - 25 Oct 05 - 05:06 PM

Have to agree with you GUEST. When Divis talks about the future in Ireland it's postive."

Now this is just hilarious if you think that these are all one-and-the-same. No Fiolaris, the Divi, by his own admission only visits this forum to DEFEND the PIRA - nothing more, nothing less.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:34 AM

So naffing what, Teribus. It's a public forum. People come on and say what they like. Where do you get the creditentials to be a forum nazi?

You agreed that your country should send their young men and women off to their deaths, on the same relative amount of evidence that you now complain about not being in possession of....

Not being directly involved in this quest to defend your integrity, I can only observe that you're the one that's doing the wriggling, mate.

In this Brave New World of ours, evidence means very little, laddie.

Get used to it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 12:30 PM

I support, defend and I am proud of the Provisional Irish Republican Army. I welcome and desire peace in my country, defend my political party, Sinn Fein.As stated in my previous posts I regret all loss of life during our armed struggle. The war is now over and in the interest of a peaceful future all weapons/ munitions are now under concrete.If there is any part of this you find difficult to comprehend, please just ask for a repeat.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 12:32 PM

GUEST,Tír Chonaill - PM 26 Oct 05 - 02:34 AM

Just to add comment to the contents of your post:

Your first paragraph - pure name calling. By the way I totally agree that people can say what they like. If however they make specific allegations against someone, they should be prepared to substantiate them, and if they cannot, they should at least have the balls to admit it.

Your second paragraph is inaccurate and irrelevant to the subject under discussion and has been the the topic of countless threads on this forum.

Your third paragraph misses the point entirely, it is not my "integrity" that is in question. It is the integrity and credibility of GUEST/GUEST FIOLARIS/ DIVI SWEENEY that is in question - In a personal attack on me (not my arguements) they made reference to something I had (was supposed to have said) stated previously, alleging that I had 'boasted' about mistreating/torturing PIRA suspects during interrogation. I asked them to substantiate this claim by producing the post of mine that they were refering to. They, if indeed these are different people, couldn't. They couldn't produce this post of mine because it does not exist - In short TC they lied, they attempted a smear campaign that has failed completely, they have been caught out lying to themselves and to everyone else on this thread. I am certainly not 'wriggling' as you put it, that I will leave to Guest/Guest Fiolaris/Divi Sweeney - they are doing a good job of it so far, and have been doing so for most of this thread. You never know what their next tactic will be - possibly create more Guest identities to leap to their defence and 'agree' with their point of view.

"In this Brave New World of ours, evidence means very little, laddie.

Get used to it."

Very good TC - that was exactly the underlying message given to the McCartneys by the PIRA - you might be content to live in the BNW of their creation, I fortunately don't have to, and I will continue to call it to book every chance I get TC, because it, like everything else associated with the paramilitary groups of Northern Ireland, stinks.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 12:34 PM

Fucking ditto mate!

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 12:38 PM

As well as the 'Loyalist' paramilitary groups who are still armed and outwith a ceasefire agreement, there is also Continuity IRA and Real IRA, which no doubt some are equally as proud of as Divi is of the Provisional IRA, which came about in a similar fashion to CIRA and RIRA.

They are very much still at war - if any doubt that ask those who were lucky enough to survive Omagh.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 12:45 PM

'Ditto' was for Divis, of course....

What evidence do you have to back up your assertion that 'get used to it' was the underlying message, Teribus?
.. can't go around making unsubstantial claims, now, can we?

... and of course, I'll bring up any subject, irrelevant in your eyes or not, to highlight your hypocricies.

If it stinks, Teribus, it's because the British was involved in it.

How's the British Army people-trafikking in Kosovo going these days, incidentally?

Don't mention 'stink', Teribus.
The British invented the concept of the dirty war, so leave your high horse at the door, old son...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 12:47 PM

Call me to book any time Terminal, many on this site used to give support to your posts, have you not noticed they are now all away ? Do you see a decline in my supporters ? So call me or the Provo's to book any time your ready and try this time not to make an ass out of yourself.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Fiolaris
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 12:55 PM

I also noticed Teribus's
loyalist lapdogs have vanished. When will he ever have the courage to respond to his bigoted viewpoints on this site?? As you can read from the other responses. Teribus
drones, like him, want nothing to do with peace. They still cling to the apartheid of Irish Catholics, that they have enjoyed for far to long. But those days are ending fast. And it scares the hell out of them. Peace is coming lads. whether you like it or not. I want to share this interesting article I found on Evangelical leaders condemning violence against Catholic communities. Time is against the loyalists. Peace will be the law of the land soon enough. Join the future Teribus
and loyalist apologists. Or remain in the miserable hate filled past you've helped create. EVANGELICALS CONDEMN NORTHERN IRELAND VIOLENCE Belfast, Sep. 19 (CWNews.com) - Evangelical leaders in Northern Ireland have joined in condemning violence against Catholic communities there. "We are simply appalled at the continuing violence on the streets, and ashamed that some who share our Evangelical faith will not condemn it," said Stephen Cave, the general secretary of the Evangelical Alliance of Northern Ireland. "As an Alliance we condemn this behavior unequivocally." The statement came after a week in which Protestant paramilitary groups threw gasoline bombs in dozens of Catholic neighborhoods, in the worst outbreak of violence in Northern Ireland for several years. Extremist groups have called Protestants in the region to activism, protesting what they see as the British government's concessions to the nationalist supporters the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The IRA has been hailed by British officials for its July announcement that it would renounce violence, and the release of a convicted IRA bomber has been seen by some loyalist groups as a betrayal. Evangelical leader Stephen Cave pointed a finger at one of those loyalist organizations, denouncing the Orange Order for stirring up violent protests. "The Orange Order, which on its website claims to be Christ-centered, Bible-based, and Church-grounded, has surely moved far from these roots when it calls people on to the streets, knowing in all probability that would lead to civil unrest," Cave said. "It is unacceptable that the Order has been slow to speak out or unequivocally condemn the violence that ensued, particularly that perpetrated by its own members." Yes I do know you made those remarks and also the remark about the builders yard in Balham which you tried to get out of.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:23 PM

I noticed he didn't bring Lord Brookeborough to book after being totally appalled at his comments, in the link that Tiocfaidh provided.

Teribus forgets also that Sinn Fèin, especially since the hunger strike has had a strong democratic mandate, so who the deuce is he to chide anyone for being proud of the protectors of our streets and housing estates from the SS/RUC, UVF/UDR, and the shower of embittered (esp) Scottish Regiments that used to just love their tours.

Thanks be to Jazus most of your proud history will be on the scrap-heap soon.

Bitter envy will get you nowhere, Teribus

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:25 PM

Keith must be having a field day....

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 01:55 PM

.... and another thing...

Where do you get off on the idea that the IRA leadership foresaw 9/11 and decided to get in there quick and strike some sort of deal before all hell broke loose?

Where has that arrogant line of thinking got you in the past, Teribus?

What difference would a 'War on Terror' have made to us?
What would you have done?

Carpet-bomb the North? Don't think so; White & Western, and the media would have a field day..
Arrest every Irish man, woman and child over the age of 14?
Yeah right! Watch the Diaspora come into its own ....

Fire is not fought with fire, mate.
Talks and discussions will always have to be made.
Getting the British to the table was a long and hard struggle, but don't confuse stalemate for defeat.
Stalemate had been a condition of the north of Ireland since 1922, so don't come on as if this was something new to us.

Everybody wants peace, Teribus.

We have fought long and hard for it.
We deserve it now

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:03 PM

Now we have an ex British Soldier who is so seething at the Irish patriots he TRIES to taunt them with old stories of murders. News for ya boy, we have NO love for old hate no matter where it comes from, your petty deflections aint working and we will ALL continue to hope for peace over here.The unionist community showed at the ballot box what they thought of the terror related D.U.P. and their beret wearing leader.I also like the people above have no intention of going through everything you ever wrote, in fact I would not know how to. Please enlighten me about the Builders yard in Balham remark, if you can remember it, that is ?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Clint
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:12 PM

I remember something about the Builders Yard in Balham thing. Will try to find it later,can't remember the thread, does anyone else ? he was going on giving Ralph a hard time over something. Sorry memory failing me, getting like Teribus !

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:46 PM

"Your first paragraph - pure name calling" Teribus: 26 Oct 05 - 12:32 PM
"Only the Irish have been too thick to realise it..." Teribus: 29 Sep 05 - 10:28 PM

You're wide open, Teribus!

Have you noticed how slow the mudcat is recently?
Do you think that people have nothing better to do than search for your little gloatings?

If memory serves me right, you said something to the effect that you saw suspects squeal like pigs (or for 'their mammys', or something) during interrogation.
... but I can't be sure, neither; Tiocfaidh showed the post to me, and I think my response was 'I wonder how Bob Niarac is enjoying his new identity....', or something like that.

Welcome to the internet, Teribus, where all is not necessarily to your liking, and where the Jeffersonian Democratic System doesn't apply

There is an old saying which goes "It's all over bar the shouting"
That's as far as you lot are concerned, of course.

As for bringing people to book in the present time, however, there is a large corps of heavily armed individuals that have never even suggested handing in their weapons, and you save your long-winded posts to slam the RA?

Are those the actions of an intelligent man; a man who believes that he is the only one that posts anything of any sense to these boards?

(... don't suppose you ever said that, neither...)

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:04 PM

Bob Niarac? Well, if your memory says so...

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Den
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:14 PM

Very subtle Wolfgang. I'm sure it was a slip of the keyboard on Tír Chonaill's part. Nairac.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:16 PM

Bob is short for Robert. Do you understand that Wolfgang?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Dick Soye
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:21 PM

Wolfgang an bhfuil an cluiche celtic ar an telifís anoicht an bhfuil fois agut?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:30 PM

You didn't get it, Divis. But Den has explained it for you.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:34 PM

Sorry Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:35 PM

Wolfgang surely wouldn't have wasted 43 characters to correct an 'ia/ai' typo, would he?
I buggered up the fada over my 'i's a few times up there, and he never said a word?

We're not reduced to this, now, Wolfgang, are w`?
Is that why the Mudcat more entertaining when the 'Adams Family' are around?
Gives you your only opportunity to stand correcting, I could only imagine..

He probably doesn't know who Bob is...

(... bet you he knows now, though....)

Oh... entertaining isn't the word, Wolfgang....!

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 05:22 PM

You're right lads.
All my life I've dreamed of a Scottish republic, where we can regain a bit of national pride.
Where we we can see our people as a complete nation and live in peace.
For centuries our young men have died in Engish wars and our once proud people now reduced to a dispirited benefits ridden underclass.

As you pointed out above some folk cant separate religion and politics Republicanism dosn't mean Catholisism, but this perceived link has been used extensivly in Scotland, which has now become a sectarian swamp, every small village in the west having a branch of the Orange Order stirring up hate.

And the terrible thing is they're full of young people, infected by the "old team"

Good luck to you in you're hopes for peace, and I'll add my hopes to see your Island united, never again to feel the shame of bigotry or second class citizenship in your own land.......Atheist Ake

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:07 PM

Tír Chonaill,

of course I knew it was a typo, but since you started the paragraph with the words "If memory serves me right" I just couldn't resist. Sorry about that.

I knew who Nairac was. One does not read more than two dozen books about Northern Ireland without meeting this name and the story behind it more than once. (Just BTW, the last book of those I did read was Before the dawn and I did like it.)

I'm truly curious by now what post by Teribus is in your memories and how the actual content of that post relates to your reported recollections. That's a kind of professional curiosity for I'm doing among other things research on memory illusions. When I first mentioned the search function it was to help whoever wanted to refind the remembered post. Meanwhile I got more curious and have done a search. Teribus has never used the word "squeal*" in any of his posts before this was brought up. In a second search I have looked for all posts by Teribus with the word 'interrogation' in them. Quite a few. But none of them had any more than a very superficial resemblance in my eyes to what was claimed.

My best guess at this moment is that you are a victim of what is called 'source confusion', namely that you attribute something that was said about Teribus to him having said that. But I may well be wrong and if I am I'd like to know.

Whatever you may think about Teribus' political opinions (mine are very different from his, in general, and also about Northern Ireland), he has a right to be attacked for what he has actually posted. With so many of you remembering that content it should be easy to put up.

Just imagine of being called 'child molester' by someone. And then that person says I seem to recollect having heard it from yourself or was it about you but I can't be bothered to check and perhaps it only was something similar...

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:21 PM

Indeed, Wolfgang. Or murderer, rapist, or hoarder of WMDs.

However you fall into your own hypothesis, here, because, the only thing you have proved is that you can't find the offending post either.

... and d'ya know wha'...? it's not that I can't find it, (cos I have seen it), it's just that I'm too busy, the cat is too slow, Teribus never uses one sentence when 4 paragraphs will do just as well, and it's Wednesday, for Christ's sake.

Wednesdays are for winding up Teribuses

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:42 PM

.... Or would that be 'Teribii'?
(... one 'i', perhaps???)

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:49 PM

"Just imagine of being called 'child molester' by someone"

No need for the 'of', Wolfgang....

Do you want to give over about typos now, Wolfgang; cos bad grammar is worser.....?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 07:05 PM

Very good point to raise Akenaton. I was born a Catholic, but was not a very good one ! I did attend chapel until 1983 when Cathal Daly the then bishop in an attempt to please the British government had a statement read out that those who supported or were members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army had no place in the church. Well I walked out that day and never returned. Being born a Catholic in the North of Ireland wasn't my fault. Being turned into a Republican by repression wasn't my fault either. But I will die a Republican. For people to refer to me as a Catholic is funny. I consider a Catholic to be someone who attends mass and lives by it's strict code of rules.Not something I could do very well.But being born a Catholic was enough to get my crap knocked out more than once.Being turned into a Republican gave me a heart and a will to do something about it.Republicans are an anti-sectarian force in Irish politics.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 07:39 PM

Religion?
Spit!!!

It was never a religious war for us...

If the working class had have been encouraged to stick together from the word 'Go', religion would have been as much of an issue among us, as it would have been in any comparable 'Christian' society.

The religion card was more heavily played on the Protestant people, however, and just as fear triggers many frames of thought in this day and age, the 'Protestant People of Ulster' were brought up to fear us.
We, on the other hand, were brought up mostly just to be fairly suspicious of them.

Even now, as the PPoU complain about being 'left out in the cold' (whatever that is supossed to mean...), they cite the same reasons as the Nationalist Community have always done as to why they feel as if their rights are getting walked on.

As soon as the PPoU drop the first 'P' in their whatdyacallit, the sooner they will realise that it never was a cause worth killing for in the first place... (They never did much dying for it, in fairness....)

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:00 PM

I'm Protestant and Republican and I don't feel it is at all a contradiction. It's unfortunate when people (PPoU :) ) feel the need to justify hate through religion, especially the Christian tradition. Hate masked with religious fervor is still that: hate.

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:39 PM

True points in above two posts. Loyalists often cry the chant For God And Ulster We will Die For Our land and Faith. I don't remember many that did. On the other hand our Volunteers who died on hunger strikes in 1974, 1976 and 1981 did so with conviction.All new PIRA Volunteers knew what was on offer a long prison sentence or death. I am yet to hear of one that walked away on hearing it. Why can't people accept our war is over ? If the above ex British soldier wasn't so filled with hate, there could be a debate here. But no it's always I will hound out the IRA in every post. That's a pity. But if this is to be your cause in life understand this, defence of the Provisional IRA and it's struggle is mine.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,The Plasterer
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:12 AM

I am Irish and lived for many years in a Mayfair Suite in London Teribus. I also had the odd drink with a few Squaddies and never had a problem with their views on Irish affairs. They knew I was a Republican and often joked about it.Why are you so serious and hate ridden towards Republicans ?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,I'll get a Bull
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:18 AM

God help you TERIBUS, talking giberish again. In reference to Protestant Ulstermen, I am a protestant and can't stand the orange order, paisley, loyalist paramilitaries, so before you talk about protestants and catholics, think about what you say, some might think it is slightly racist.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:55 AM

To the various GUEST characters that have been created to create the impression of width of support, I call your attention to the following:

Teribus - PM
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 02:34 AM

".......I have and bear no hatered of the Irish, Irish Republicans, Irish Nationalists, Irish Unionists, I even have quite a measure of respect for the Official IRA. My objections are reserved for a self-appointed group of murdering thugs, who, as was clearly seen in the referendum held throughout Ireland in 1998, had absolutely no mandate from the Irish people to act on their behalf. Who opportunistically jumped into an improving situation and succeeded in making it worse in order to further their own interests politically and financially. Who needlessly and indiscriminately killed and wounded thousands and then boast about it. Who terrorised then extorted from the very communities they were supposedly protecting. Believe me I have nothing but complete and utter contempt for ALL the PARAMILITARY GROUPS in Northern Ireland, and that I have often stated."

Now what part of that is unclear to you? Are Catholics mentioned? No. Are Prtotestants mentioned? No. Republicans and Unionists are quite clearly, and in a little english comprehension test for you can you tell in what context they are referred to? I'll even make it easier for you and make it multi-choice:

A. The group for whom I have stated that I have and bear no hatred for.

OR

B. The group for whom I have nothing but complete and utter contempt for.

On rascism from DIVI on the other hand we have -

Divis Sweeney
BS: Are we anti-Irish? (452* d)
RE: BS: Are we anti-Irish?
14 Sep 05

________________________________________

I'm anti-British...Should we again define what British means? Haha!!!

E

He then follows later in another post about what his rather weak definition of British is - something about being in the service of the crown.

Of course that is not really the case, like the good Fr. Alex Reid in his outburst about Nazi's, Divi just let the mask slip momentarily.

A bare-faced liar and a dissembler - a Provisional.

Oh and DIVI if you want a reality check:
- Go back through the thread the Sutton Stats tell you how many your side killed (around 58%), doesn't show the thousands more that were injured and scarred for life.
- Go back and find out what percentage of the people who live in the North want to remain within the UK (around 60%)
- Go to the web and find out how many people in the whole of Ireland who in 1998 told your organisation of choice that they had absolutely no mandate from them to pursue political aims through violence (around 87%), well done it only took the PIRA 8 years to listen to the people of Ireland, the CIRA, RIRA haven't heard them yet. The Loyalist paramilitaries apear to be about to listen and act - I certainly hope so, it would not be before time - about thirty bloody years.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:57 AM

The main conclusion for northern nationalists arising from the recent debate sparked by Fr Reids Nazi/unionists comparsion is unionists denial about their role and responsibility for creating the conditions which lead to almost 30 years of war.

Unionist politicians are in denial about the decades of injustice they inflicted on the nationalist people of the six counties.

There was not a single unionist at a politicial, religious or business level prepared to accept their part in this conflict which caused huge loss of life and left a generation of people scarred. Unionists do not have a case to answer when their actions are compared to the magnitude of the holocaust.

But, Unionists must deal with the reality that their Orange one-party state generated and perpetuated racist and sectarian attitudes similar to the type of hatred and prejudice that led to the Holocaust.

Their state systematically discriminated against an entire community simply because that community`s nationalist identity was different and could be presented as a threat.

It is more accurate to compare what unionist leaders did here with what whites did in South Africa. The unionist state was every bit as immoral as as the state set up by the whites. Both relied on a system of apartheid.
In the 1950s the South African parliament introduced laws to deprieve blacks and coloureds of political and economic power. In the north of Ireland, the unionists relied on the Special Powers Act, a system of political and economic privelege for unionists and Protestants which ghettoised and rendered nationalists powerless.
Underpinning both states was a supremacist ideology, which treated blacks in South Africa and Catholic/Nationalists here as less than human beings with inalienable rights.

Lord Brookeborough prime minister from 1943-63 set the standard. He refused to employ Catholics and publicly encouraged other employers to follow his example.
He achieved unionists stated aim of creating `a protestant state for a Protestant people`.

The government was unionist and Protestant, the judiciary, unionist and Protestant, the civil service unionist and Protestant, the police unionist and Protestant,. The employment practices of the state`s flagship industries, Harland and Wolfe,Shorts, Sirocco, Mackies, rewarded generations of loyal citizens with employment, while discriminating against Catholics.

The first unionist unionist government very quickly abolished PR for elections and replaced it with a first past-the-post system.
Unionist majority resulted. Unionist politicians gerrymandered Stormont and local government constituencies, turning unionist political minorities into political majorities.

To vote you had to be a householder or own a business. Unionists allocated houses and denied them to Catholics. Many unionist busines people had more than one vote.

The umbrella organisation that held it all together was the anti-Catholic Orange Order supported by the Unionist party, the RUC and the `B`Specials.
The ethos of the state was British and Orange, all things Irish were illegal, discriminated against or ignored. Display of the Irish tri-colour led to arrest. The Irish language was not recognised. Parents had difficulty or were refused to register their child`s name in Irish. Gaelic games were not catered for, almost every public Park provied for all sports with the excepition of our native games.

All public Parks had their childrens play areas closed on Sundays, fundamental Protestants seen to that.

Thus the Catholic/Nationalist population were regarded as mere second class citizens.
Such bigotry also found a home among educated middle-class unionists.
Unionist politicial leaders have to recognise their part in creating the circumstances that led to this conflict, unless they do they will not find their role in helping to resolve it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:14 AM

Teribus. This is not my post. Check with Joe this was from Epona. And signed in her ususal E. I am sure she will confirm this. The site mixed a few of our posts up !
apologise in your own time. Oh sorry you don't do that do you ?
Dear oh dear you don't like the the Provo's do you !
Ah such a pity, really annoys us to know that.
Above post from GUEST in one of the best I have read here in a while.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:43 AM

It's true, that is definitely my post...Anything with the "E" is me. And, I would like to point out, if you had followed the thread that you quoted me from instead of just pulling out quotes to suite your ends, you would realize that we were defining what British vs. English/Scottish/Welsh meant. In that forum we defining British as having two definitions, and the one that I use was: "An IMPERIALIST that holds on to the remaining shreds of the 'Empire'."

So, do I hate the English/Scottish/Welsh? No. In fact, it seems silly to even suggest it if you had been around here to get to know me! But, I have heard that you took a break from the cat during a, ummm, not so "pictureaque" moment for your army. I choose, though, to dislike individuals (not blindly hating entire groups of people). Does that sum up the whole post situation? I hope so. If you need more clarification on that thread, please feel free to read the whole thing. I know, though, that it is rather long. Sorry I couldn't provide you with ammunition on Divis because it seems you're in rather desperate need...maybe if you ask nicely he'll take it easy on you?! :) Good luck with that!

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:47 AM

Forgive my spelling errors...on the run and won't be back until late! Had to contribute at least once today though!!!! :)

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:53 AM

Hey Divi,

"Teribus. This is not my post. Check with Joe this was from Epona. And signed in her ususal E. I am sure she will confirm this."

Well I'm sure she/you/Guest/Guest Fiolaris/whoever will, as soon as you get round to it.

On the above quote from your mail - You're not trying to tell me and anyone else reading this thread that you object to somebody attributing statements to you that you did not in fact make!!!!

Now you'd never do that would you. Divi you are a proven bare-faced liar and a dissembler - the typical Provisional spokesperson.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 08:36 AM

Terminal How can you call me all these names, the hurt you bring to my heart by name calling leaves me emotionally wrecked. Would you like to boast to other soldiers that your war with the Provo's has taken a new step ? That you will ensure the bastards can't sleep at night? Terminal you are really wearing me down, looks like your victory. So here I stand in sack cloth and ashes crying out the words SORRY SORRY to you and your comrades I was nothing better than an animal. Would you like this signed ? Right now wake up the dream is over.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:39 AM

Oh sure Teribus you cry "I am not supporting loyalists" a poor excuse. Heard it before from you over there. Makes no difference your system is what it is and it is against Catholics period. And equal rights for everyone ? has to be a joke. I don't seem to read one report about Northern Ireland that says anything different. Prove it otherwise. You have a sectarian jungle and the DUP promotes it along with others loyalist groups. Give us a break in the US. Push come to shove you would be right there with the loyalist paramilitaries, the RUC now the PSNI, the British government and the dirty tricks brigade. Give me a break. Ethinic cleansing is what you promote Teribus, Great excuses you come up with too. I do believe that Protestant loyalists did much more that the IRA, which is not on record so drop the excuses. And what's your hang up about Balham London ? I have a friend who lives there. By all accounts it's a swell place.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 11:25 AM

I see you're still banging your gums y' lyin' Git.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 01:51 PM

Terminal what a way to talk about a group of guys who just lead normal lives like yourself. How could anyone hate the Provo's ? Your comrades gave me a bit of a hard time on the odd occasion, but I am not giving you it in the ear.Come on the 90 minutes are up. Do you want it to run into extra time ? Say your sorry about all you said about the Provisional IRA and I will accept it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:42 PM

You won't get an answer divis. See he didn't say sorry either for saying Eponas post was yours. I am still awaiting an explanation and Clarity on his remarks about Balham. And that's here in England ! So doubt he will be in a hurry to send an answer to Ireland. Seems a funny like of guy ?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Guest Clint
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:58 PM

Yes Bill elighten us about your Balham remark or are you going to ignore this too ? gain some credibility, your getting the stuffing knocked out of you by replying to those above. Answer please on Balham remark.Will keep asking.