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BS: KatrinaGate

GUEST,Fernando 02 Jun 06 - 12:15 AM
Bobert 02 Jun 06 - 07:40 AM
GUEST,Fernando 02 Jun 06 - 08:10 AM
GUEST,Fernando 02 Jun 06 - 08:19 AM
GUEST 02 Jun 06 - 08:22 AM
Bobert 02 Jun 06 - 04:59 PM
GUEST 03 Jun 06 - 09:37 AM
GUEST,Fernando 03 Jun 06 - 10:32 AM
Amos 03 Jun 06 - 12:01 PM
CarolC 03 Jun 06 - 06:29 PM
Bobert 03 Jun 06 - 06:32 PM
GUEST,Fernando 03 Jun 06 - 07:17 PM
Bobert 03 Jun 06 - 08:18 PM
GUEST,Fernando 03 Jun 06 - 08:45 PM
CarolC 03 Jun 06 - 08:53 PM
Bobert 03 Jun 06 - 09:33 PM
Barry Finn 04 Jun 06 - 12:26 AM
GUEST,Fenando 04 Jun 06 - 10:30 AM
GUEST,Missy 04 Jun 06 - 11:03 AM
CarolC 04 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM
GUEST,Missy 04 Jun 06 - 12:09 PM
CarolC 04 Jun 06 - 12:13 PM
GUEST,Missy 04 Jun 06 - 12:15 PM
Amos 04 Jun 06 - 02:01 PM
CarolC 04 Jun 06 - 02:10 PM
Bobert 04 Jun 06 - 07:29 PM
GUEST,Alphonse 05 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM
CarolC 05 Jun 06 - 12:23 PM
GUEST,Fernando 05 Jun 06 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,Alphonse 05 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM
GUEST,Flashback 05 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM
CarolC 05 Jun 06 - 04:28 PM
GUEST,Fernando 05 Jun 06 - 04:54 PM
CarolC 05 Jun 06 - 05:30 PM
Bobert 05 Jun 06 - 06:52 PM
GUEST,Fernando 05 Jun 06 - 09:17 PM
CarolC 05 Jun 06 - 09:20 PM
Bobert 05 Jun 06 - 09:31 PM
GUEST,Rufus 05 Jun 06 - 09:43 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 12:15 AM

Here's How Bush created Katrina Gate:

Him and his evil oil company friends imported cheap oil from countrys that hate us and made so much cheap gas from it. This made them think like they got the US by the 'nads, they get all rowdy and a bunch of them crash the twin towers in NYC amongst other things.

Meanwhile his Evil Detroit buds start in to making big gas hog SUV's and such that the avereage level headed conservation minded US consumer couldn't resis. That caused a lot of polution and an increased demand for the cheap gas.

At the sane time his other evil cattle rancher comrades down in SA keep clearing the rainforest to make way for a few cows per acre. This causes more greenhouse gas and global warming. He adds to this global warimg by refusing to sign Kyoto simply because up and comming worse poluters than the US are exempt. The resultant Global warming and polution causes increasingly worse hurricane seasons.

One day a real bad one pops up on the radar headed for NO. Bush decides will not help out New Orleans because they ain't paying enough taxes and if a bunch 'em drown it will reduce the burden on the government which he has already run into the ground with his illegal wars and so forth.

He decides to hold back on everything, blame it on the locals down there and the democrats who demanded the creation DHS and then demanded that FEMA be part of DHS.

So now we have a few average, honest, intellignt citizens who are slowly exposing his scheme and educating the ignorant majority to his evil ways.

Gee. ain't life horrible here in the US? I think I will tie some old leaky innertubes together and see if I can make it to Cuba where the government functions correctly.

F


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 07:40 AM

I'll buy you a ticket, F, fir yer one way flight to Havana...

Yer sarcasim oughta play well down there...

402 postas and still not one well thoyught out rebuttal to the original charges I made in this thread... I think that is a record for the Bushites...

But they sho nuff get credit for:

1. Trying to highjack this thread

2. Name calling

3. Sarcasim

4. Ignmorance

5. All of the above...

And the beat goes on....


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:10 AM

Nobody is trying to defend Bush. You automatically assert that anything against what you claim is the "real" problem is a Bush defense.

It makes the whole thread appear to be a Bush attack and a defense of the inept, corrupt local government in Louisiana in an effort to put all the blame on one person.

That is why you will not any rebuttal of your charges mr. prosecutor, judge and jury. Now if bush had been a Latino gang leader sentenced to die you would be defending him.

Your logic is as sloppy as your typing. You are clearly an old burned out anti-establishment Hippy, stuck in the past. Another crybaby maggot that enjoys the good life in America while crying and sucking snot about the current state of affairs rather than going forward from here.

If you want some thing to bitch about, som injustice to trumpet, consider this: About 24,000 people die every day from hunger or hunger-related causes. Three-fourths of the deaths are children under the age of 5


F.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:19 AM

PS:

Will you feel guilty the next time you chow down on a Whopper knowing that about one person dies from lack of food for every chew?

The fact that you cleaned your glases with an abrasive highlights your piss poor judgement.

F


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:22 AM

bobert, you wouldn't/couldn't accept or recognize a rebuttal if your life depended on it.

I am convinced you do the "Devil's advocate" bit. Benefit of the doubt for you.

Or, you have to be Twins because one person can't be that friggin' naive.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 04:59 PM

LOL...

First of all, I don't eat no Whopper's... Might of fact I don't eat no 4 legged critters at all... Mase a deal wid 'um in the 60's... They don't chew on me and I won't chew on them... It's held up now since then...

Second of all, F-ster, if you'd like to come out from behind yer mask, sign in as a real person who is traceable and transparent then I'll go head to head wid you on who has done more work to help folks in poverty... And I can provide references... But I'm not going to match resume's with someone who is too cowardly to come out and put their own experiences as a tranparent memebr against mine... Heck, you could make up anything... Like I said, come on out and we can rumble...

Lets see? What else??? Well, given I have yet to see a rebuttal, inspite of using my spare pair of glasses which see as well as the scratched ones, I reckon not much...

Oh yeah, I don't bash Bush... But I sho nuff bash his policies... Heck, I wouldn't mind sittin' down wid him over a cold beer... Of course, he would order pretzels...


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:37 AM

bobert, can you say "avoidance of the issue".

What difference does it make if I know your Social Security number or just call you Bozo. You have been stopped in your tracks and your ability to keep up the false rehtoric has been stymied.

However, I find it somewhat surprising that you would simply stop as opposed to continuing with your inane Bullshit.

Perhaps it is time for you to speak on something you are aware of factually. Take your time.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:32 AM

What ever you eat, you are eatin' good in the neighborhood while others are starving to death.

As to why you have not had any rebuttals, how do you rebut a brain fart?

I don't think anybody here denies that Bush made mistakes. Nobody is perfect. The question is who else made mistakes and what lead to these mistakes. Bush may be guilty of some incomptency but you choose to focus entirely on that part and magnify it so it fills your whole field of (fuzzy) vision blotting out any other contributing factors. You refuse to take in the whole picture.

This may sound like a personal attack but it is "food" for thought. I saw on the Discovery Channel that the human species did not start gaining much intelligence until they became omnnivores. They said it was the Iron in meat that created new and improved brain cells.

F


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:01 PM

What exactly is the issue you think Bobert is avoiding, Fernando? What proposition are you putting forward, stated in plain English?

"Bush's management of events related to Katrina and the devastation of New Orleans was competent and timely."

"Bush tried to do the right thing but was foiled by (a) incompetent underlings and (b) local corruption on the part of the State government and the mayor of NO."

What are you saying, aside from the ad hominem mischaracterizations, if anything?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:29 PM

I think Fernando is suggesting that Bobert is the cause of world hunger. At least that's what it looks like from here.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:32 PM

Perhaps, F-ster, you would like to elaborate on jsut what you7 think a good president is responsible for??? It was his team that bungled the National Response Plan... It was his team that didn't activate what little resources were left in FEMA after he and his team gutted FEMA... It was his team that reduced the funding for maintenance on the levees prio0r to Katrina... It was Bush himself that rather than take Katrina seriously even after the levees wer breached who elected to go on a campaign trip to California...

If outright incompetence is what yer looking for, F, then I'm beginning to understand what the "F" is for...

As for yer accusations that I haven't done my share of lifting in the war of p[overty, I'm still waiting for you to come clean on how much lifting you have done??? But you won't do that becuase it will expoase you as a blowhard fake...

So until then, fire away from the safety of yer little Caprice trunk... Real friggin' brave, fella...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 07:17 PM

Amos got it right for once: "Bush tried to do the right thing but was foiled by (a) incompetent underlings and (b) local corruption on the part of the State government and the mayor of NO."

Who would have drowned or suffered from the flod if NO had been evacuated?

Mohammad Bobsterino sits bravely on top of his trunk to do his sniping so that makes it OK.

He is so one sided he still can't admit to the whole pixture and accuses anyone who does of trying to protect Bush.

C'mon talk and about the whole scenario not just the ones that you like to gloat about.

F


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:18 PM

Ahhhhh, F.... Do you even know anuything abouth the National Response Plan??? I don't think so and if you think that is snipin' then you are one ignorant, and well as cowardly, person...

I don't have to snipe... I'm a real person with transparency... Real people don't snipe... Only cowards and low life's snipe...

You make these wild-ass accusations about me from the safety of anonymity.... Like I said, real people don't snipe... Only cowards...

You have added nuthing to this thread... You seem to have no basic understanding of the positions... I doubt if you have even read this thread... You are no better than a creep in the trunk of a car shootin' people...

Have a nice life... You aren't worthy of any more of my time because you are incapable, after over 400 posts here to mount any rebuttal to the charges that put forth other than bumper sticker level respones...

Debating ignorant people is a waste of time...

Like I said, have a nice little (very little) cowardly life...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:45 PM

Bobert are you realy Bill O'reilly in disguise?

You don't answer anything and any responses to your meiloristic pettifoggery just bounce off like bullets bouncing off of Superman.

Is it your impaired vision or extreme cranial density that causes your one sided myopia?

You can call me a coward all day long but I think you must be afraid of looking at the whole event.

Yes I am having a fine life here in the USA just like you only I am enjoying it more than you because I see no need to bitch and whine about shit that is over and done with.

Are you going to try to prevent that convicted sniper from being executed?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:53 PM

It's not over and done with until the problems that caused FEMA and the Corps of Engineers to fall down on the job have been corrected. And they haven't been corrected yet. So the situation is still ongoing.

Remember, those people work for the taxpayers. And we pay them a lot of money to do their jobs properly. Local officials can be voted out of office, but we can't vote the FEMA officials or the Corps of Engineers out of office. So we have to find other ways to hold them accountable or get them replaced.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:33 PM

Good points, CarolC...

But keep in mind that there's only but so much money available for various projects an' the Bush administration ***cut*** funding for the levees over the last several years...

Yes, there is much work to be done that wouldn't have to be done if the Bush administration hadn't been so Hell-bent on shiftin' so many of the nations resources to an ill-thought-out invasion of Iraq at the expense of out own country...

Oh sure, the Bushites ***said*** they had stuff covered but say6ing stuff is cheap... Deeds speak louder than words... Bottom line, the Bushites knew they were leaving some front's uncovered with their war of choice and were hoping that nuthin' would come along that would blow their cover.... Then Katrina and the house of cards fell apart...

Some folks would argue that it was the locals who were at fault but those who would make that arguement apparently know nuthin' about Bush's own National Response Plan that put fed "boots-on-the-ground" should a catastophy occur that swamped local governements or made them ineffective... This was the Bush plan... Not Congresses... Problem is that not only was there no funding to carry it out but it would require the president or Secretary of Homeland Security to be on the ball and initiate the plan...

Well, inspite of the protests of the few blinded Bushites, those two things have become painfully obvious to everyone else... The Bush adminsitration failed miserably in funding the agencies that were to meet the challenges of a catastrohy and then when the levees were topped went into some kind of denial while knowing they hadn't adequtely prepared to "protect the American people" afterall...

No, as much as some would like to shift blame to the locals, it was a monumental failing of the Bush administration... Those who have followed this thread and know the things I have put forth know there can be no otrher conclusuion...Only folks who have come onboard lately thinking they really don't have to know what has allready been put forward are now showing their juvenilist ignorance about the issue...

Meanwhile, yeah, a Cat 3 will take N.O. out tomorrow....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:26 AM

What boss would ever think to tell his employers that the reason it got all f--ked up was ,,,,,,duh,,,, because my staff really screwed up.
"The buck stops when it reaches the top"(Barry).
Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fenando
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 10:30 AM

Beat that drum so loud it drowns out everything else. Keep on blaring your bushite accusation but don't answer any questions like.

"Who would have drowned or suffered from the flood if NO had been evacuated?"

And what boss did ever think to tell his employers that the reason it got all f--ked up was ,,,,,,duh,,,, because my staff really screwed up?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Missy
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:03 AM

If Cat 3 will take N.O. out tomorrow I think they should be ready to evacuate. I know I would if I lived below sea level. I would not even depend on the government to get me out, just maybe keep the way clear.

I think this is the plan most people in flood and hurricane prone areas have.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

And what would you do, Missy, if you were 80 years old, confined to a wheelchair, couldn't drive, didn't have any family, didn't have enough money for public transporation out of town or motels because all of your meager retirement pension was being spent on diabetes medicine and supplies, and you weren't on the social services radar at all because you didn't believe in accepting charity?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Missy
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:09 PM

What would you do?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:13 PM

I guess I'd drown.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Missy
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:15 PM

Sounds logical.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:01 PM

Well, I hope you don't, Carol.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:10 PM

It's ok, Amos. I don't live below sea level (or have any of those other problems)... yet.

But thanks.

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 07:29 PM

But in reaqlity, Katrina is just the tip of the iceburg... Hey, Katrina was last year's "Exhibit A" that the Bush administartion hasn't done anything to make Americans safer... Quite the opposite as it pointed out that the Bushite tinkerin' with domestic safety nets thru underfunding and general lousy management has left Americans more vulnerable to all kinds of disasters...

So for yoy folks living above sea level I wouldn't breath too easily... Lots of stuff happens above sea level that can leave a region devistated and guess what??? Bush and his little circle of friends haven't fixed anyything since Katrina... OPh sure, there are more supplies... Who tghe heck cares if you can't get them to the folks who need them... There were plenty of supplies when Katrine hit but after the two day "duhhhhhhhh, Ralpf" on the Bushite's part in not implimenting their own National Response Plan, it was too late to get those supplies to where they needed to be...

Yet some pea-brained folks think that the N.O. governemnt should have figgured out everything on it's own... Hey, that what the Nastional Response Plan was all about but these same pea-brained folks keep repeatin' their bumper-sticker mantra...

Like I said, the USD i8s no better today to deal with a catastrphy than it was when Katrina hit...

This is why I blame George Bush... If I were president I would have amde the effort to be sure that I wasn't going to repeat the same policy... This man is incapable of making changes... This is why he has failed at everything he has ever attempted to do...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Alphonse
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM

If you are 80 years old, confined to a wheelchair, couldn't drive, didn't have any family, didn't have enough money for public transporation out of town or motels because all of your meager retirement pension was being spent on diabetes medicine and supplies, and you weren't on the social services radar at all because you didn't believe in accepting charity, George Bush should hire a clarivoiant to find you and get you to safety.

If not, he is not protecting Americans like he should


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 12:23 PM

That's right, Alphonse.

Alternatively, the DHS could work with local governments to set up plans for making sure that public transportation is available for free for anyone who doesn't have a way to get out.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:01 PM

Well why didn't some bright eyed democrat demand that before Katrina hit NO?

It's all 100% their fault even if they never choked on a pretzel.

F


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Alphonse
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM

Evcauation is the best policy. Why wasn't New orleans evacuated on Saturday and Sunday?

"virtually everyone in Cameron and Calcasieu parishes left the area at least a day before the storm hit. There were reports of very few injuries and no fatalities 12 hours after Rita passed through."


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Flashback
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM

Addording to CNN it looks like every body knew what was coming. They just hadn't figured out who to blame it on:

New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Crescent City under evacuation; storm may overwhelm levees

Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 12:10 a.m. EDT (04:10 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees.

The huge storm, packing 160 mph winds, is expected to hit the northern Gulf Coast in the next nine hours and make landfall as a Category 4 or 5 hurricane Monday morning.

The National Hurricane Center reports that conditions are already deteriorating along the central and northeastern coast. (Watch video to see the worst case scenario)

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. (Watch video of mayor's announcement)

"This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this."

He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order.

About 1.3 million people live in New Orleans and its suburbs, and many began evacuating before sunrise. (Watch video to see who's staying and who's leaving)

Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night. (Watch time lapse video of the evacuation)

Between 20,000 and 25,000 others who remained in the city lined up to take shelter in the Louisiana Superdome, lining up for what authorities warned would be an unpleasant day and a half at minimum.

City officials told stranded tourists to stay on third-floor levels or higher and away from windows. (See video from New Orleans, a city below sea level)

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that New Orleans could expect a complete loss of electricity and water services as well as intense flooding.

"We know we're going to have property damage," she told CNN's "Larry King Live." "We know we're going to have high wind damage. We're hoping we're not going to lose a lot of lives."

About 70 percent of New Orleans is below sea level, and is protected from the Mississippi River by a series of levees. (Full story)

Forecasters predicted the storm surge could reach 28 feet; the highest levees around New Orleans are 18 feet high.

Hurricane-force winds extend 105 miles from the center of the mammoth storm and tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 230 miles. It is the most powerful storm to menace the central Gulf Coast in decades.

Isolated tornadoes are also possible Sunday across southern portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, forecasters said.

Federal Emergency Management Agency teams and other emergency teams were in place to move in as soon as the storm was over, FEMA Undersecretary Michael Brown said.

Katrina is blamed for at least seven deaths in Florida, where it made landfall Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane. As much as 18 inches of rain fell in some areas, flooding streets and homes. (See video of the damage floodwaters left in one family's new house)

At midnight ET, Katrina was centered about 90 miles south of the mouth of the Mississippi River. It was moving to the northwest at about 10 mph.

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield said: "There's certainly a chance it can weaken a bit before it gets to the coast, but unfortunately this is so large and so powerful that it's a little bit like the difference between being run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train. Neither prospect is good." (Watch Mayfield's assessment of Katrina)
Bush issues disaster declarations

President Bush announced Sunday that he had issued disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and parts of southern Florida. The declaration for Miami-Dade and Broward counties in Florida will allow residents there to apply for federal disaster aid.

"We'll do everything in our power to help the people and communities affected by this storm," he said.

The president urged anyone in the storm's path "to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground."

Jesse St. Amant, the emergency management chief for Louisiana's southernmost Plaquemines Parish, said nearly 95 percent of the parish's 27,000-plus residents had fled by Sunday afternoon. Those who remained were being told that they are "gambling with their own lives."

"I think they just don't believe something of this nature can ever happen in their lifespan, and I think they're going to be wrong," he said.

As far east as Mobile, Alabama, 118 miles away from New Orleans, authorities warned of storm surges approaching 20 feet.

"I'm afraid most people look at the map and say, 'It's going to New Orleans, we're all right,'" said Mobile Mayor Mike Deal. "We're in harm's way with the current path of this storm."

Hurricane warnings are posted from Morgan City, Louisiana, eastward to the Alabama-Florida state line, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. This means winds of at least 74 mph are expected in the warning area within the next 24 hours.

A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch are in effect from the Alabama-Florida state line eastward to Destin, Florida, and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana. A tropical storm warning is also in effect from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, west to Cameron, Louisiana, and from Destin, Florida, eastward to Indian Pass, Florida.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions, including winds of at least 39 mph, are expected within 24 hours. A hurricane watch means hurricane conditions are possible, usually within 36 hours.

Category 5 is the most intense on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. Andrew remains the costliest U.S. hurricane on record, with $26.5 billion in losses.

Camille came ashore in Mississippi and killed 256 people


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 04:28 PM

The Republican Congress would never have approved that, Fernando.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 04:54 PM

How do you know? They approved the creation of DHS and they Approved the incorporation of FEMA into DHS.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 05:30 PM

Just a hunch, Fernando.

But, I notice the Republicans didn't come up with that idea either.

Still, it's the job of FEMA to come up with and to implement ideas like that one. That's what we pay them to do. And they didn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 06:52 PM

FEMA is just a shell of what it used to be... It's been demoted and had it's funding slashed... There is really no agency that filled in to do what FEMA has done in the past... The DHS ain't up to the task... Heck, if another Katrina hit tyomorrow there is not one single person who would have as much power to act as any head of FEMA had prior to Bush...

What we have now are 5 Principle Federal Officials (PFO's) and a number of Federal Coordination Officers (FSO's) with overlapping responsibilities... This is a invitation for diaster and more finger pointing... No one is really in charge under the "new and improved" reorganization... If anything, the "new and improved" reorganization is worse than the Bushite's last ideas...


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 09:17 PM

I say undo what the Democrats insisted had to be done.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 09:20 PM

I say undo what the Democrats insisted had to be done

I totally agree with this.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 09:31 PM

Me, too...The DHS is a joke... But the organization of it and the policies and appointemnts fall on Bush and his boyz...

The Dems gave him way too much power with this department... W@ay too much and he and hi9s little circle of firends just plainly werwen't up to the task of making it work...

As we speak, millions of dollars are being spend to have truck drivers drive ice around the country??? Like that wasn't a Democratic idea???

What we need is FEMA back as a quasi-independent agency that isn't part of the politics of the day...

Yes to a stake thru the heart to the DHS!!! And look at the Dem who pushed it thru??? Joe "Repubocrat" Lieberman... Geeze, I wouldn't vote for that war monging creep for dog catcher...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 09:43 PM

Howcome ain't no 'catters from N.O. on this thread crying the blues?

Bobert sounds like one of them carpet baggers come to town to educate the locals.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 10:37 PM

Scalawag Rufus, go to. You are but an intemperate bag of wind and dark smells.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 10:45 PM

I went to see the Doc one day las week cause I was feeling poorly and real nervous like.

He told me I was impotent so I went to the store and got me a new suit, put it on at the store and went right home.

When my wife saw me commin in the front door she axed me why I was so dressed up. I said the doc told me I was impotent and I figgered If I is so impotent, I ought to look impotent too.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 10:48 PM

Define "locals", Rufe....

Iz born an' raised in the Southland... Educated in the Southland... Lived 20 sumethin' years in the Capitol of the Southland... Drove a race car many years on Friday nights in the Southland... Prolly know more 'bout the Southland than 99% of the folks who come here...

Ain't no carpet bag unner my arm or ov'r mah sholder, Rufe the Goof...

Mighty easy to go playin' "Pin-the-Label" from the safety of GUESTdom, however....

Carpet-bagger, my ass, sir...

Bobert (Southern bred and Southern raised)

p.s. That don't make me no moron, 'er racist, 'er friggin Bush lover, ya' hear???


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 10:58 PM

Where they at Bobert?

All the Bushites raise their hand.

All the New Orleanians raise their hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:04 PM

Amos thinks I fart too much.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:07 PM

I decline to respond to words placed in my mouth, sir, by the unqualified -- especially words such as those!

But thanks for the humor. First time I was told that joke, I fell right off my ole dinosaur.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:11 PM

Maybe he needs to get upwind o' ya, Rufe...

Tolt you I was educated in the Southland...

Stingy bee flies faster than a John Deer tractor can run...


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:39 AM

Need to get upwind of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:15 AM

Don't see no hands up.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 05:14 PM

Ding dong Katrinagate is dead.

Cause poor old Bobert's tetched in the head.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:47 PM

No, Katrinagate ain't dead... It never has been dead...

Not all "gate's" end up in court with indcitments... Some end up in a far more damaging place and that is the hearts of folks who are dependent on leaders to tell the truth and BS them...

To that end, Katrinagate is a huge success... Katrina was the point that historians will point to when Bush no longer was trusted by the American people... And he hasn't been able to gain back the trust and for very real reasons...

He is now percieved as a liar who pumped out his chest and said "Hey, it's my job to protect the American people" but Katrina showed that those boasts were just lies... It really didn't have to be a hurricane... It could have been a terrorist attack... Bottom line, Bush wasn't ready to protect the American people...

Now even the Repubs in Congress are distancing themselves from him... That speaks volumes about the distrust of this man's ability to deliver much more than proclamations...

Bobert


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