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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: akenaton Date: 30 May 11 - 05:22 AM "We need more Tahrir Squares." I dont think so Frank, better wait till you see what Septembers election produces. All the signs say that the Muslim Brotherhood will sweep the board(after assuring the protesters that they would not even stand). I see a well planned template here for the whole of the Middle East and North Africa.....the Islamists cunningly using the rhetoric of "freedom" in their own interests. Actually, Fundamentalist Islam would probably be beneficial to the survival of humanity and planet Earth, but extremely unpleasant for the spoiled children of the West. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 11 - 11:57 AM Akenaton: "I see a well planned template here for the whole of the Middle East and North Africa.....the Islamists cunningly using the rhetoric of "freedom" in their own interests." Yes, and the 'interests', of both 'right' and 'left' are USING and trying to manipulate the 'Muslim cause' to their benefit as well!...only problem is, when it's all said and done, both the 'right and left' do-gooders', are STILL infidels, and need to be 'done away with', when the time is right! Morons need not try to comprehend..it will only hurt your head! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 30 May 11 - 03:26 PM The idea that being armed all of the time as a supreme law of the land is a misreading of the Constitution by sanguinary types who want to show off their macho. We are not today dealing with "well regulated militias" but bloviated hotheads who are shooting off their guns along with their mouths. Packing heat at Tea Party rallies is an example of foolish bravado that solves no real problems in America. I would say that the Christian Wrong is a terrorist organization typified by "Operation Rescue" and these people are found in the Tea Party. How many more Gabrielle Giffords do we have to have to get this point across? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 11 - 08:01 PM Strings: "How many more Gabrielle Giffords do we have to have to get this point across?" What does that have to do with the 'Tea Party'?..NOTHING! The guy is a lunatic, not motivated by party affiliation or political 'leanings'....a disturbed individual...just a step up from you! (wink) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 31 May 11 - 08:39 PM Nah, it has everything to do with the Tea Party... 2nd Amendment remedies give "permission" to the nut balls... Thugs shouting down Congressmen and scaring people away from participating give permission to the nut balls... Time for the right to reel in a lot of their boorish behavior or we'll be seeing more and more Gabbie Giffords in the future... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 01 Jun 11 - 09:23 AM Without big government this country would have the same freedoms of Deadwood in the 1870's. As long as the Federal Government is subject to Goldman Sachs every whim, Wall St. will continue to destroy the American and now global dream. The bigger the divide between rich and poor the more the filthy rich can point to tax statistics and clain the rich pay the larger proportion of all taxes. As the poverty level grows past 45% it is already true that the rich pay most of the taxes. When the poor reach 60% the rich may find a more final solution to the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 11 - 01:40 PM Bobert: "Nah, it has everything to do with the Tea Party... 2nd Amendment remedies give "permission" to the nut balls... Thugs shouting down Congressmen and scaring people...." I knew that you were ignorant on our Constitutional rights!..Freedom of speech is guaranteed by the 1st, and 14th amendments!...not the 2nd! And that other nutcase who shot Giffords, was NOT politically motivated, as EVERY investigation shows!..So stop your Democratic based whining!!..but then, even you have the freedom of speech, as well!!...but NOT if the Democrats have their way!..or for that matter, the Republicans, too. they both are working overtime to do away with our Constitutional rights, and replace them with political blather!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 11 - 02:31 PM A word in your ears, gentlemen: I heard a self-professed member of the "Tea Party" say that he considered "packing heat" as an important part of the First Amendment in that if you have your Glock in your hand, the politicians pay a lot more attention to what you tell them you want them to do. Frankly, I don't think I want the country I live in to be run that way. I seem to recall a little man with a postage stamp mustache and a penchant for wearing uniforms, with a bunch of shaved-headed goons in tow some decades back who operated pretty much the same way. Caused quite a ruckus in the late 1930s and early 1940s. And God knows, a bunch of armed "Tea Party" members hardly constitute a "well-regulated militia." This sure as hell isn't what the Founding Fathers had in mind! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: akenaton Date: 01 Jun 11 - 02:34 PM I agree with all of that Donuel.....so why do you continually support Mr Obama who is joined at the hip to "liberal democracy" and the party system. For the problems you correctly outline we need radical action in the US and here in the UK. People are afraid and want to stick to the status quo.....even though it is evident that it's unsustainable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 11 - 02:51 PM Sorry to disagree, GfS, but Jared Loughner WAS politically motivated IN ADDITION to being a nut-case. He was not especially affiliated with any particular political group, but he was very anti-government and heavily into conspiracy theories. One of his acquaintances said that he was panting for the "bloody revolution" to get under way, and that he was all in favor of the "Tea Party." And he had a particular beef on against Gabrielle Gifford. Let us stick to the facts and eschew hyperbole, eh? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 01 Jun 11 - 06:44 PM If it wasn't possible for nut jobs to get guns, Gabrielle Gifford wouldn't have been shot. Whether or not the gunman was politically motivated, I lay the blame for her shooting on the NRA, and personally on every member. Anyone who thinks the 2nd Amendment gives everyone a right to whatever guns they want isn't very good at reading. Going back a bit: Who ended the Viet Nam war? I did. Me, and all the other people all over the world that were taking part in massive protests. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 01 Jun 11 - 07:44 PM Exactly, John P... We did end the Vietnam War... I mean, even my Republican dad marched in the Moratorium in Washington, D.C.... Proudest day of my life... As fir knowledge of the US Constitution, GfinS... My first degree was in History and Poli-Sci... I fully understand the Constitution... I fully understand the 2nd amendment... It is one sentence... Not two as the right would have people believe... The right to bare arms is therefor tied to the right to organized a "standing militia"... Militias, by definition, are not "individuals"... They are groups of individual with a single purpose of defending a group of citizens... The 2nd amendment, in no way, gives individuals a right to bare arms as "one man militias" or the Founding Fathers would have stated it that way... But they didn't... They tied the right to bare arms to a "militia"... The Tea Party people don't have a clue what I am saying here because the Tea Party people don't have a clue about anything that is fact based... That's the real story... Oh yeah... We have battery laws on the books in every state... That prevents people from using threats of violence to settle conflicts... When thug, who are paid by the Koch brothers, enter a town meeting with the intent of scaring the shit out of everyone that is supposed, and used to be, a crime... B |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 01 Jun 11 - 08:02 PM Have you ever noticed that, throughout the Constitution, when a right is being given to individuals, they are referred to as "persons". When rights are being give to the populace in general, the words are "the people". This distinction is used in every instance. The 2nd Amendment gives us the right, as a group, to arm militias that we create. Sort of like the Army, the National Guard, and the police. If a community wants its own militia, they could start one. But there's nothing in the Constitution that says the militia members get to take their guns home after a militia meeting. I'd advise town armories, with the guns only coming out when the militia is practicing. I hear NRA types often saying that things would be better if we enforced the gun laws currently on the books. I suppose they are talking about the loopholes for gun shows where nut jobs can go buy automatic rifles. What laws were those again? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 01 Jun 11 - 10:13 PM Yes, John P... You are also a student of American History... That's good... Too few of us... And I have just moved from Virgina (gun show loophole capital of the uncivilized world) and know fully what you are talking about... Here's the reality: I can rent a 26 foot box truck and drive to a gunb show in Richmond, Va. (They hold 'um out at the old Fairgrounds off Laburum Ave) and back that rental truck up and fill it with AK47s, ammunition and book on how to turn them into fully automatic weapons... Automatic weapons in untrained hands is like giving folks a nuke... They are not all that accurate (think collateral damage here)... Yes, they put out a lot of lead but that lead isn't all that specific what it hits... But that is the law... And that is why the rest of the world has to warn it's citizens about "our little problem" before they come to visit *US*... Wonder how many more folks would come and drop their money here if we didn't have these crazy (lax) gun laws??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 11 - 02:00 AM This one has been corrected........ Wooo-Wee...Look at the weaselly left, whoop up the hate, and divisions! ....and accusing the 'Tea Partiers' of being 'terrorists, and 'gun freaks'...and signing in Jared Loughner, into their ranks, just to try to make a bogus argument!!!..You guys are scarier than the 'Tea Partiers'....probably, because there are more joining their ranks, and even fleeing the two main parties......and the thought of you losing your grip, to force crap down the American public's throats, terrifies you!! Most people in the 'Tea Party' identify with being independents...and pissed off ones, at that! Both parties have miserably FAILED the American public, who they are supposed to be serving, by representing them....Well we know they ain't doin' that!!..What did ya' expect?? I'm NOT a 'Tea Partier' but, people have the right to assemble to show their protest of a corrupt, hidden agenda driven political system, that doesn't represent them. Why don't we get to vote for the people who they DO represent??? People are tired of it, and though the 'Tea Party' may be as manipulated as you say,..you think the Democrats aren't???????...or the Republicans??..You've got to be kidding!! So all the accusatory rhetoric, is just whining about the left's failure to secure the goals they wanted..but..what you need to wise up about, is that their STATED goals, are not their ultimate goals, and they (you), are being fraudulently buffaloed!....ask any multi-national globalist banker!!!..Why not just ask them what they want, to see if WE want that?....and they could save their bribing and influence peddling money....maybe even give it to the poor!!!,,(or stimulate the economy, for which it was given to them for) All that, and I think all of the body politic has a cancerous growth, all through-out, and VERY little attention should even be paid them, and NO slack given them, until they represent us, instead of indoctrinating us, on what we SHOULD want..and how we have to have it..and that the ends justify the means..including shredding our freedoms!!!...and changing our country, as to leaving us VERY little freedom!!! Fuck 'em all! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 02 Jun 11 - 09:31 AM Freedom is one of those unusual words when we are using it to allow thugs to dominate public meeting and threaten us with 2nd amendment rights if we don't go along with what their views... That is what the brown shirts did... No... Freedom to me means exactly that... ***Free-dom*** Free of rednecks trying to scream and threaten their views onto the entire nation... The US is in decline mostly because the right has gotten it's way for way too long while our competitors have been "up to speed" with what it takes to live with globalization... The US strangely enough is "just watching" and will continue to decline until it discovers that the Reagan economic model is archaic and not going to get *US* turned around.. B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 02 Jun 11 - 12:09 PM Sorry, GfS, my ideals and goals are my own, not those of some hidden brain-washing puppet master. I vote for the candidates that seem to most closely reflect my views. I agree that neither party really represents us. Voting is almost always choosing the lesser of two evils. The big difference between the right and left, for me, is that the right wants to tell me who I can marry, wants to give still more money to the hideously rich, wants to do away with government regulation of greedy people who have their paws in our economic system, tells outrageous lies, wants to inflict their religion on the rest of us, and is unwilling to compromise on anything. The left has a better track record on all those things. But my basic position is the same as yours: fuck them all. Until we get money out of politics we will have a system where money gets represented instead of people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 02 Jun 11 - 07:32 PM Yup, John P... We need to get the $$$ out of politics/poilicies... Right now the right and the Repubs can dial up just how much money they want their masters to *chip in*... We are going to see the first billion dollar presidential campaign in '12 from the Repubs... Their people want Obama out of their "Whites Only" House and with the Republican Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United they are going to throw everything and "the kitchen sink" at Obama... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 11 - 10:13 PM John P. has it in a nutshell. Granted, the word "politics" comes from two Latin words: poly, which means "many," and ticks, refering to "blood-sucking insects." But it's all we've got, sports fans--unless we want to turn the country over to a dictator. But this perpetual whining on some people's parts that the fix is in and there is nothing we can do about it is not just counterproductive, it is untrue. Anthropologist Margaret Mead made the observation that "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!"She also said, "We have nowhere else to go... this is all we have!"So you can either sit there whining that it's no use, we are doomed.....or you can get off your lazy keister and get to work. If you can't find a candidate that you like, then find one who is better than the one you want to depose, even if he or she ISN'T "perfect" (whatever the hell that is), then get up off your lard-laden ass, and work to get them elected. All the "Oh, me, oh, my, it's hopeless!!" in the world, no matter how eloquently or dramatically you express it, only proves that you're nothing more than a lazy coward with a big mouth, Get over it!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 02 Jun 11 - 10:21 PM As I have done in every national election going back to '60, I'll do my part... (Okay, I have sat out on 2 elections...) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Jun 11 - 01:39 AM Don Firth: (Quoting Margaret Mead)"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" Well, yes, that is true...and we've seen it, and many, even here, participated in such things, and even so, in our youth. I remember my Dad telling me, back then, in one of those 'heart to heart' talks,..and, upon him knowing that I've been a bit of a 'rebel', said, "Sometimes there is a time for rebels, and rebellion, but don't be a 'rebel' for rebel's sake. Instead, you can keep your spirit of being a rebel, but rebel at evil." Now being at the cutting edge of a few things(artistically speaking), I've had to be a bit 'revolutionary', if you will...., 'Not sticking to the old shit, that doesn't fully work..but to 'revolve' as in 'turn' toward your inspiration...and in the course, of what I've seen, in my country and government, as well as corporate/business, and all the lies, that we find ourselves making excuses for, or spinning them to promote either party, then, what I come to, is "In a universe of deceit, speaking the truth is revolutionary!" What we have seen, and from both parties, MANIPULATED BY THE SAME PEOPLE, is SO MUCH deceit, that maybe the truth, will come from the ground up, and have power to defeat the real oppressive enemy, of all of us!...Just some of us want to hold onto, that youth..and our ideals, and our place in it, without snapping a tight leash, on those parties, co-opting us, and using that spirit in us, that once gave THEM power. The day that they use LIES, to persuade us toward their goals, without honesty, and practice 'mind control', to that end, is the day I'm OUT!......I'll listen to where I get truth...and in time, the 'small group' of us, will ultimately win out! Sometimes ya just gotta turn your backs on 'Bogus Crusaders'!! me??...I'm writing/composing and performing some revolutionary truth....it has NOTHING to do with political anything.................................(they lie too much). Don, you shine, when you stick to music! "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" "Sometimes there is a time for rebels, and rebellion, but don't be a 'rebel' for rebel's sake. Instead, you can keep your spirit of being a rebel, but rebel at evil." "In a universe of deceit, speaking the truth is revolutionary!" "Sometimes ya just gotta turn your backs on 'Bogus Crusaders'!!" Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 11 - 04:51 PM "Don, you shine, when you stick to music!!" Implying, I presume, that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to politics, so I should just shut up and stick to music? Did you take any Civics classes when you were in high school? The teacher of my high school history and civics classes acted as faculty advisor for a group of students who got together after school one afternoon a week for a discussion of current events. I was one of those students for two years. Ever take any Political Science and/or Economics courses in college? Philosophy? Ethics? Have you ever read Plato's Republic? What was Plato's stance on the idea of democracy? For or against? How about Thomas Hobbes? John Locke? Baruch Spinoza? Or the writings of Thomas Paine? Or James Madison? Or Alexis de Tocqueville's monumental two volume work, Democracy in America? More recent: Modern Political Philosophies by Louis Wasserman, a concise encyclopedia of the principles and characterists of the world's political systems and their philosophical and economic bases. Good reference book, but a bit dated now. Excellent little book: First Democracy: The Challenge of an Ancient Idea, by Paul Woodruff. A description of Athenian democracy, how it worked (remarkably well, in fact!), and how it did not work (and how to fix it). The book contains a highly thought-provoking final chapter or afterword, entitled, "Are Americans Ready for Democracy?" Easy, fast read and very enlightening. Highly recommended! A perusal of some of the works of George Lakoff (a linguist rather than a political writer) gives one a great deal of insight into the way political thinkers (and non-thinkers!) manipulate language in an effort to (of course!) manipulate the opinions of others. There's a lot of that going on here on these Mudcat threads. It's a fascinating demonstration of some of the things Lakoff talks about to see the way many people use political labels while not having the foggiest notion of what the terms mean! Have you ever worked on a political campaign? I have; a number of times, having to do with both national and local candidates and issues. Also, I am on old geek. I remember presidents, congressmen, and political campaigns (and the convolutions of rhetoric) from many decades ago. From FDR up to the present. No, I don't think anyone could characterize me as "politically naïve." If anything, some people consider me a royal pain in the ass because I'm pretty good at identifying political pettifoggery, whether it be from national politicians, streetcorner campaigners, or blog-addicted mynah birds who frequent the BS threads here on Mudcat. Note: I do not belong to a political party. Am I a political "rebel?" That depends upon where the person accusing me of that is coming from. I have well thought out and firm (but open to new input) ideas about political principles and ethics and, in general, how a free and open democracy should operate—to the maximum benefit of ALL it's citizens. To the plutocrat who is trying to get even richer by screwing as many people as possible, I'm undoubtedly a rebel. But to me, HE's the rebel, even if he IS the CEO of a multinational corporation. So it's a wash. Another one to read: William L. Schirer's, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. How did Hitler's Germany get that way? What were the dynamics involved? Could it happen again somewhere else? Have you read what Benito Mussolini wrote about the relationship between the Corporations and the State in a Fascist government? And what HE thought the Fasces, the symbol of a bundle of sticks tied around a battle-ax, actually symbolizes? He oughtta know! Fascinating! Scary! Think about it! Don Firth P. S. It's hard to "brainwash" someone who knows where his towel is.* *See Douglass Adams, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Jun 11 - 10:36 PM Same as the other one......Except for the 'P.S.' Don, You went off on what you THOUGHT I was IMPLYING....that's not what I meant!...at all. Just take it for face value: "You shine when it comes to music."...other than that, "Knowledge speaks; Wisdom listens."... All of what you posted, in your last post, doesn't resolve the fact that both parties are corrupted by the very people who 'offer' the 'other' party for the solution...only to find out, that the root of the problem, is the same that is 'wrong' with the 'other party'. its time NOT to listen to EITHER of them, and just stick to the truth...even if both parties only use partial amounts, of it, to manipulate people away from that which really is true...and keep from being discovered, who is really behind the two offered 'choices'. GfS P.S...Maybe we should ALL be better, sticking to music...if that's where we shine!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 11 - 11:39 PM Sorry if I misconstrued what you said, GfS. As to the general corruption of both parties, I've been fully aware of this since I compared what Mr. Lawrence (the high school civics teacher I mentioned) said was the way things were supposed to be with what I soon became aware was really going on in the political realm. Does one simply give up? I, for one, am not ready to do that yet. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 04 Jun 11 - 08:45 AM Terrorists? No. Morons? Yup. Arseholes? You bet! -------------------------------- Enemy Democrats June 3, 2011 Plattsburgh, NY PRESS-REPUBLICAN TO THE EDITOR: The more upstate New York conservatives organize, the more chaos ensues. It seems we were better off before we had the Tea Party and Teamwatch: where once we had Republicans (the 23rd and the 26th congressional districts), we now have liberal Democrats. This makes no sense unless you actually think about it. Teamwatch informs the voters of our representative's actions, while Tea Party folks protest against government excess, and these are good things. The fly in the ointment is the fact that both groups are dancing around the real problem: There is a war under way for the soul of America, and the enemy is the Democrat Party. Abortion, gun control, socialized medicine, the lobotomizing of children in government schools, class warfare and a graduated tax are all tools in the kit of communist dictatorships and the Democrat Party. How much more life, liberty and property do Americans have to lose before they see the connection? Leo J. Seney Dannemora |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:06 AM More name calling from either side, pointing fingers at the other side, is a futile exercise of the Merry-Go-Round. There IS a truth out there, and I think it best to get to it, and stand on it! Both parties will hate you and call us names, but so what?..most of what they are putting forth, in their name calling and lying is being found out, and let the discrediting begin! The Republicans are trying to do with the 'Tea Party', as the Democrats did to the 'peace movement' of the 60's. This should be patently obvious..and being as we lived through it, we SHOULD have a handle on it...and our wisdom and age, should cause us to ask the right questions, at the right time, and make it publicly known, that the way business is done in Washington, shall now be on the decrease! The one thing both parties fear, is Independent thinkers, who aren't falling for their line of crap! They should be exposed, written about, both journalistically, and in music, and everything that lies within us, to return America to a Constitutionally based government, that gets it's nose, and sticky fingers, out of our personal lives, and pocketbooks! Ignore polls who favor one or the other side...Independents are growing faster than either party, and possibly both parties combined!! Instead of being 'issue based', which either side will align themselves to, for the votes, DEMAND that the corruption, the 'puppeteering', and the 'special interests' over populist representation, be done away with, and in fact, start pressing for charges, up to and including treason,..regardless of party, and/or banking affiliations!!...It is TAXPAYERS money that was supposed to be used to help us, the taxpayers, but it all somehow got misdirected into the hands of the globalist bankers, and was NOT used to stimulate the economy(at least for the working, taxpaying public), but rather used to line the pockets of the mega corporations, who are actively waging war on the small business people of America!...who were the ones who were actually putting more people to work, than the corporations!..Go figure! More and more people are getting sick and tired of their pack of lies......all they need is a 'little theme song'.....and less support! NO MORE!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:06 AM Dear Mr Bobert: I asked who said "So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "nigga" out???" You have not answered that question. Saying I heard it is not answering the question. Obviously it was you who made that racist remark but you do not want to own up to it. You want to make believe someone else said it so you can project your attitudes about the extent of racism on others. Your OCD is about making hateful, racist remarks. You believe it somehow makes the world better. Leo J. Seney:Dear Editor: When we can no longer afford the government, the government can no longer afford to treat us with kid gloves. After redistribution comes re-education and the re-evaluation of who may live and who must be eliminated. All of this will be done for the greater good--of the Cummuno/Fascist Democrat party, that is. The Republicans are being criticised for voting against health care but that charge is fallacious, What they voted against was the Democrat health care reform and reform means changing something into something else. The best analogy I can imagine is to have somebody reform your house cat into a Tasmanian Devil and then say, Look at the improvements I've made! Sure, it got into grandma's room and killed her but she was old and living on borrowed time anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Jun 11 - 02:20 AM Sawzaw: (Quoting from Leo J. Seney, letter to the editor): "The best analogy I can imagine is to have somebody reform your house cat into a Tasmanian Devil and then say, Look at the improvements I've made!" It reminds me of a tiger changing it's stripes, like Senator Robert Carlyle Byrd, once head of the KKK, and leader of other Southern Democrats, known for their extreme racial views of Negroes in the south. The changing of the stripes were merely for political expediency, not reflecting a change of heart!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:17 PM How do you know what was in Robert Byrd's heart, GfinS??? Me thinks you need to work more on what is in yers and leave other folk's hearts the heck alone... Robert Bryd exhibited remorse for the last 50 years of his life and I saw him physically interact with black people in a manner that sho nuff looked genuine... BTW, Robert Bryd did not need the black vote for re-election... That is a very important FACT in trying to see into a man's inner values... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Jun 11 - 09:31 PM Bobsy: "Me thinks you need to work more on what is in yers and leave other folk's hearts the heck alone... Robert Bryd exhibited remorse for the last 50 years of his life and I saw him physically interact with black people in a manner that sho nuff looked genuine... BTW, Robert Bryd did not need the black vote for re-election..." ..and you DID???....I guess you can see into Obama's heart, too, because you sure seem to like him...while a lot of people in America are remembering the old adage, "If a man cheats you once, shame on him. If he cheats you twice shame on YOU!" Now as to the 'remorse', you claim to have seen....you think because he had 'bad thoughts' that he was so remorseful about??...or maybe things that happened, under his watch, at the ol' KKK that he knows about...and never came clean about it? Gosh, do you think you'd ever 'forgive' Sarah Palin for favoring the Tea Party??...the same way you'd just lick Byrd's boots?...Maybe Sawzaw is right. You might have needs to probe him about that...I thought he was beginning to make some interesting points, there. But what the hell do I know..about the old small fish...there are bigger one's that need some fryin', at present. BTW, I KNEW you were going to ask me about seeing into people's hearts.....did a pretty good job with Oblabbo's..didn't I....when a lot of you couldn't or wouldn't see it......three years ago.... Just like in music.....'Speed is a bi-product of accuracy!' GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Jun 11 - 12:58 AM "Gosh, do you think you'd ever 'forgive' Sarah Palin for favoring the Tea Party??..." When she renounces, I will listen for sincerity, and believe if I hear it. Shall I hold my breath? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:10 PM Poster is Bobert. Reset your cookie, Bobert!! -Joe O-Yeah, GfinS... World of difference here... Robert Byrd renounced his bad... Plain loves hers... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:35 PM Bobert: "Yeah, GfinS... World of difference here... Robert Byrd renounced his bad... Plain loves hers..." Bobert: "How do you know what was in Robert Byrd's heart, GfinS???" I'm apparently better at it than you!...so....here's a little tune for you. Your two posts earned it!!! For Bobert......except these guys smoke..........(music) See ya', GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jun 11 - 01:23 AM Mr Byrd continued to make racist statements after his "metamorphosis" so I assume that was what was in his heart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jun 11 - 05:12 AM Well Sawzaw, I guess you're NOT a Democrap, or you would have ignored that,....along with a lot of other stuff. It's not the Democrats or Republicans, in general, its the rabid believers of both parties, that have been blinded, to wrong. They only point fingers across the street, instead of cleaning up their side! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 08 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM GfS: . . . return America to a Constitutionally based government, that gets it's nose, and sticky fingers, out of our personal lives . . . Here's the once-a-year post from GfS that I agree with. Tell me, Guest, does this include having the government stop telling us who we can marry and who we can't? How far does stopping government interference in our personal lives go for you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jun 11 - 03:32 PM John, The government does not have the right to change the definition of words, and meanings, just to suit a political agenda, and use the term 'civil rights' to cover any number of behavioural preferences, that are not stipulated beyond race, creed, or color....read it yourself. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 08 Jun 11 - 04:26 PM Yes, yes, GfS, I've heard it all before. How does that fit with getting the government out of our private lives? It sounds like you want the government out of our lives until something comes along that you don't like and then you want legislation that suits your likes and dislikes. The reason the government is in our private lives is because people like you keep yelling for it to be there. Add up enough people's likes and dislikes and add legislation to all of them, and you end up with a repressive society. By the way, the Constitution doesn't say anything about who can marry who. Are you a strict constructionist or not? What, exactly, does the "Land of the Free" mean to you? Lastly, I want the government to stop telling us who we can marry because it's wrong, not because it's part of some political agenda. If you want to talk to a political agenda, go find a website where a political agenda visits, and argue with it. If you want to be here, you'll have to settle for talking with individuals, and actually responding to what they say instead of allowing yourself to ignore them because you think they have been brain-washed by a political agenda. So, care to respond to I actually said? Using ideas that don't involve reading into the Constitution something that isn't there? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jun 11 - 06:32 PM Dear John, "Hey Joe Offer, I opened 'Mudcat' to find a post, which I partly agree with...BUT I did NOT post that post...I also saw one in the 'BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??'(From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jun 11 - 03:32 PM) in which I wholeheartedly agree, but I did not author that post. You can leave it up or not, but if you leave it up, leave this one as well. To whomever is using 'Guest from Sanity' to post your thoughts on, have the guts to use your own monicker. Joe, if you remove the posts, please archive them, in case the situation arises, in which it may be need shown, that they are NOT from me!" Thank you. GfS P.S. I DO really agree with the 'Tea Party' (Date: 08 Jun 11 - 03:32 PM) post, though!" THAT BEING SAID THOUGH: John P: "Yes, yes, GfS, I've heard it all before." Well you have a problem then with comprehension, and discerning facts...which you have to deal with! Topic on this thread is the 'Tea Party'........Well you have a problem then with comprehension, and discerning facts...which you have to deal with! GfS
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jun 11 - 08:45 PM Yes, the topic of the thread is the Tea Party and as John has pointed out the Tea Party is perfectly willing to let the government tell you who to marry, to interfere with medical procedures, to legislate morals, etc... They are no unlike the Taliban in that respect...Like the Taliban they want the government to inlfict and enforce their particular set of values... John's question is quite relevant to this discussion... I mean, the entire left v. right thing has to do with government... The right can not have it both ways... Government isn't like a menu at a resturant... We either believe that government does some things very well and let it do it or we have Mad Max After the Thunderdome... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jun 11 - 09:17 PM BTW, Sawz... Just because you have found another rightie to buddy up with in GfinS it doesn't change the fact that I have answered your questions... You just don't like the answer so you keep asking over and over and over... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 08 Jun 11 - 09:55 PM GfS, is there any chance at all that you will just have a discussion without all the insults? You can tell me in your bizarre prose that I'm stupid all you want to, but your failure to address any of the issues on the table says a lot more about you than you say about me. I agree with Bobert that talking about what our American freedoms really mean is completely germaine to a thread about the Tea Party. What do you have to say for your contradictory statements about the role that the government should play in our personal lives? How about you claiming that we should follow the Constitution and then trying to use a Constitutional argument to say some American should be treated differently under the law than other Americans? How about your profession of Christianity while your posts are full vitriol and mean-spiritedness? Come up with some answers or prove yourself lost in a fog composed of a complete lack of integrity. Oh, and if you don't want your identity spoofed, join the organization. Better yet, man up and sign your name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jun 11 - 10:12 PM Latest thing now, John, is that 6 states, thanks to those on the right side of the political divide, are poised to make birth-control pills illegal??? Talk about the Taliban??? This is mostly because the Tea Party is emboldened... Hey, if that's the America Sawz and GfinS want then, hey, I'd like for them to come right out and say, "I want government in my bedroom"... That's the madness of this entire debate... GfinS & Sawz would love nothing more than two sets of laws... One for them and another for everyone else... But no matter, they want the government to enforce the stuff against me that they think I'm doing that they don't like but they don't want the government enforcing nuthin' on them... This is called hypocrisy of the highest order in my book.. B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jun 11 - 11:19 PM So, i take it that you two think that anything outside of your stupidity is a 'rightie'. It is your brand of brain-locked partisanship, that divides the country, when there was so much work to be done. Even James Carville, another southern Democrap, disagrees with you...but you just keep heading on. You remind me of someone who programs a failure, to give themselves a reason to pick up the bottle again, to 'soothe' their hurt feelings of feeling sorry for themselves. even if they stop drinking, they are still addicted to the mind-set, of programming failures. At present, we, as a nation are in dire straights, that go further back than Bush, the most recent scapegoat for Oblabbo, who had the inability to lead us out of anything, but instead just made it worse. If you cannot see that, then you have an unbelievable ability to not see reality. This is NOT a party issue! Both parties are bought and paid for by the same people. This is becoming more evident with every day that passes. If Obama was half a decent 'leader' he would level with the American people, As it is now, you might start brushing up on your Mandarin. We are on the verge of a financial collapse, and the other nitwit wants to discuss the difference between homosexuality and men and women getting married, and raising their own children. If you are so interested, and need to goad your imagination, I'm pretty sure Anthony Wiener's pictures are somewhere posted on the net. I'm sure once you find them, maybe your hands will be so busy, you might spare us from typing such idiocy! OKAY, Now you can go back to your obsoleted Democrap 'talking points'...but really, you've already convinced a lot of people on here, that you cannot think for yourselves. Spare us the empty rhetoric, It's not working. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Jun 11 - 11:20 PM One thing I'd like to hear from GfS—and I've asked him a couple of times without his deigning to respond—is just exactly what lies has Barack Obama told that inspires him to insist on vociferously calling Obama a liar? It's easy enough to make all kinds of wild accusations (quite a bit of that going around), but one really should have some reason for such charges beyond merely disliking the person one is accusing. Substantiation with documentation, please. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Jun 11 - 11:41 PM By the way, GfS, you're going to have to do better than merely quoting or linking to the "Obama lies" web sites. They all contain such allegations as his supposedly lying about his birth certificate and where he was born. That's long since been shot down in flames. Or picking on things that he said he intended to do, but a Republican dominated Congress hasn't allowed him to do, or things that once he got into office he discovered that they simply would not be wise to do. Every president has those kinds of problems, and to say that the president "lied" is nothing more than taking a cheap shot. No sale on that sort of nonsense. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jun 11 - 12:05 AM Don, You must have missed this one. I suspect you'll disregard it, as well: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:53 AM Everything is cool Don...thanks for the reconsideration. By the way, your interest in music IS your greatest weapon! Sawzaw, Thank you for your post!!..Maybe some die hard 'liberals' will see that the Democrats are far to full of bullshit, to represent even them!! Lying, corrupt bastards! ..and to Joe Offer, you asked me a little while ago, to list the lies that Obama has told. So rather than, use MY list, I have a VERY liberal/progressive friend, a HUGE bluegrass and folk supporter, what he thought. To say the least, he is very disillusioned about the present administration, and hates Republicans with a passion. (makes Bobert seen like a Cub Scout!). Though he and his 'other half' avidly resents Christians, Conservatives, Zionists, Multi-national banking concerns, and they run a small business, in a small town..I thought, 'What a great person to ask, for his list'! Though we have greatly disagreed with each other in the past, and they actively supported Obama, at present, they are pretty pissed off at him! Through all this time, of huge disagreements, we have remained good friends, because all in all, we know each others hearts..and they are good and sincere people....(though I've contended that they have also been sincerely wrong...but that's another issue)...here is his list, of lies, from the Obama administration: 1. Vowed NOT to take outside money for his campaign..but reversed himself. 2. Transparency. 3. Campaigned that NO lobbyists would have a cabinet position. 4. Gitmo. 5. Was going to decrease the Mid-East war, then invades Afghanistan. 6. Extended Bush tax cuts, when he said he wasn't. 7. Single payer health care plan. 8. Said he was going to go after big pharma. 9. Bailouts to stimulate the economy, but gave it to his banker cronies. 10.Unemployment would not be above 8%. 11.Military tribunals. 12.Being against the 'Patriot Act', then extends it. (Joe Biden one of it's authors.) 13.OBL details, and false press releases and lying in his speech to the country. (again transparency) 14.Reneged on energy policy. 15.Claimed France was our closest ally. 16...and he finished with the verbatim quote, "Go back, and look at his campaign promises..he broke about every one of them!" Now, that being said, some of his broken promises, were OK with me, as to what he actually DID do...and once again, my friend and I still disagree..BUT, you asked me to list the lies, and so I did. Jeez, my friend, for being so 'progressive' makes me look tame!...and I never thought of myself as being 'progressive'...but even back then, during the primaries, and my dated posts prove it, I clocked this guy as being a lying sack of 'manure'...and if you remember, I was calling him,'O-blabbo'. Fair enough? Shit, he even signed the guestbook at Westminster Abby with the wrong year!!...I think he is stuck in 2008, when he won the election...and that's ALL he cared about!(private observation) ..............................................AND: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Jun 11 - 02:01 AM Oh, and let me add one lie of Obama, of my own. Swore to uphold the Constitution..then goes to war with Libya, and circumvents going to Congress!..at all! As far as I'm concerned, that is an impeachable offense!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Jun 11 - 12:20 AM GfS - you posted your list of so-called "lies" once in this thread already. Do you have some cogent reason for posting them a second time, and in the same thread? Reminds me of Pope John Paul II, who was often known to quote himself as verification of the information he was promoting. Self-quotation may well be a symptom of advanced narcissism. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jun 11 - 12:35 AM Ol' Don Firth requested I post them again. I'm surprised he didn't just read them earlier in the thread. I know it would 'normally' be unnecessary to post them repeatedly..it seems that no matter how many times something is said to them, they just don't get it. BTW, You are the one who first requested them...but never responded. You didn't like them? For what it's worth....neither did I. It's just too bad that there were so many flagrant lies to list...and there is still more. All things considered, John McCain would have not been much of an improvement, either....and with heavy sadness, I'm depressed at the shape of our country, and am resigned to the fact, that it may well implode to a nation of chaos, financial and moral collapse, and eventually fall. Sorry to end on a bummer note...but I'm feeling that this all may happen immanently....and all by design. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jun 11 - 12:44 AM Sorry, GfS, but all of the "lies" you cite fall under what I outlined in my post of 08 Jun 11 - 11:41 p.m. as spurious. That sort of loose criterion for "lying" can be applied to every elected official in the country since the country's very beginning—and has, by political opponents. Pure flatus. You sound like a commentator for Fox News. You're going to have to do a bit better than that. Don Firth P. S. I'll leave you the rest of the night to work it out. I'm going to bed. |