BS: Thatcher expenses

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:23 AM

See, Silas, you and Mrs Thatcher have that in common, neither did she, unless it was advantageous to her, I very much suspect you are exactly the same way, so you see, you and her...

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:24 AM

Nice try matey, but no.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:36 AM

But yes I think....you and her...exactly the same, so spare me your hypocrisy

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:40 AM

...gratuitously insulted me without any provocation on a thread some months back

Someone trod on my toe a few years ago. Someday I'll catch up with him...

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:46 AM

Well BTNG, either you have a remarkable power that allows you to analise a persons charachter from a few lines posted on a website (and still get it completely wrong) or you are just full of shit.

Tell us do, which is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:11 PM

same as you Silas, I'm full of shit, except mine isn't socialist, that's the only difference and that makes a world of difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:40 PM

So, let me get this right. You are full of non-socialist shit, can I assume that the hatchet face bitch is also full of non-socialist shit? And that socialist shit is different to non-socialist shit, and the difference is not just different, it is a world of difference. Concluding then, as I am full of socialist shit and the hatchet faced bitch is full of non-socialist shit, we can hardly be exactly the same, as you said in your previous post.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:50 PM

BUT...but....there is that one, the important word, that makes you the same....shit,

so.....me...?I support neither side of the political coin, years ago I realised you're all the same, left, right, all arguing for the right to claim the moral high ground, and those who suffered because your constant bickering, fighting, name calling? Why those whom you professed to care about, the populous at large, you accused Thatcher of destroying parts of Britain...I think NUM were already on that road, but it wouldn't been just parts of Britain would it? It would have been the whole of Britain...Where's St Arthur of Scargill now? Oh yes the head of the Socialist Labour Party and is of the opinion that and I quote, "the ideas of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin explain the "real world" " dear dear....

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:54 PM

"same as you Silas, I'm full of shit, except mine isn't socialist, that's the only difference and that makes a world of difference."


and

"BUT...but....there is that one, the important word, that makes you the same....shit"

Now now, you can't have it both ways. Lets have just a little consistency eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:56 PM

Oh I am full of shit...I admit it....you can't get out of it...so are you

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 12:59 PM

Yep, we are all full of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 01:04 PM

nice convenient reply, but it will have to do. And much as I love the verbal jousting LOL (there I knew I couldn't say that with a straight face) I have to work..some of us have to, unfortunately. I don't have a union (thank god!) to tell me what to do, when to do it, and how to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 01:11 PM

by the way most politicians can claim expenses as do departments, so Thatcher is not alone in that. This though, is my favourite one


Employees at the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) spent £247.75 at Dominos pizza, £172.70 at The Cake Store and £54.30 on Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

sounds almost like a union meeting expense dunnit? LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 02:48 PM

People doing a job for which they are employed can indeed claim expenses from their employers, and people carrying out voluntary work can in some cases be paid expenses by the organisation for whom they are doing the work, and people paying expenses for voluntary work out of their own pockets might in some cases be entitled to set this against income tax. All of that applies to "politicians" as much as to anyone else.

The question is, why people who were formerly employes by the state should be entitled to be paid expenses by the state for things they do after they have ceased to be employees.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 03:14 PM

And why 100 grand a year!

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Musket
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:23 PM

You may well ask.

Personally, I'm not quite so uncomfortable with it. In the same way as why their memoirs sell by the bucket load, once you don't have the pressures of the party line and keeping people happy who you would rather drop dead, your view can become interesting.

Look at how USA wheel out ex Presidents to defuse tensions around the world, or although we can laugh (sometimes in a hollow manner) at Bliar's exploits, the principle of an ex Prime Minister as an envoy for UN is a good one, just the wrong bugger doing it, but I digress.

If an old guitar is superseded by a new one, it is always a good idea to buy it new strings and a bit of polish from time to time and give it the odd airing, it can often pleasantly surprise you.

Same with ex legislators. They are pilloried, often rightly, for decisions which, let's face it, are always compromise decisions to please those they rely on. I am far more interested in their views when they have nobody to look out for, and whilst not supporting The Lords in some ways, I actually like the idea of learned people scrutinising legislation and quality assuring it before it gets the final vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 03:07 PM

In the same way as why their memoirs sell by the bucket load

Actually they always seem to turn up in the pound shops...And they don't sell there either.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 03:41 PM

Blair's A Journey sold 92,060 copies in its first four days on sale last week, according to Nielsen BookScan, (that was before turning up in in the pound shops).

At the time The Bookseller estimated that Margaret Thatcher's memoirs The Downing Street Years sold 120,000 copies in its first week on sale, (that was before turning up in in the pound shops).

- Source


then there are these:

Best selling Political Memoirs (selected) 1998 - 21st August 2010
(sales prior to turning up in in the pound shops)

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:45 PM

One of my few claims to fame.

My line dance cd was in the remaindered bin in The Word store, alongside Gerry Adams memoirs - Before the Dawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:55 PM

I'm trying to imagine you line dancing and it's hurting my head LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 07:06 PM

The songs were written anyway. Someone discovered you could line dance to them. And they put them on an album complete with instructions as to which dance to do to them..

I did write one song called Buster the Line dancing Dog, and a choreographer wrote a special dance to it called Busters Bone Search. I was never privileged to see it, but isn't that always the way with folk music.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher expenses
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 07:21 PM

A song to stir the hearts of all true dog lovers and Englishmen everywhere.

LOL Al thanks, this has definitely made my early evening!!!