BS: Unity

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 08:34 PM

Ake and I were posting at the same time...whe question was directed at Bobert. Like is said before, Ake...THEY JUST DON'T GET IT!

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 08:38 PM

Thanks for your opinion B.....Too tired to discuss further
Good night and sleep well Bobert, Amos, Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 08:51 PM

Ake, for someone who doesn't believe in democracy, you seem very interested in the parties involved in it. Is this a case of "know your enemy"? As for enslaving people, well you and your comrades would know all about that. We, on the decent left, fought you in the UK and you lost, glad you're still an optimist though.

By the way, Pilger is an ass, see here

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 09:56 PM

I got around to reading your two articles by Pilger, Akenaton. I agree substantially with what he says. The stuff about Robert Kennedy is interesting, and I think it is probably correct (despite the fact that I adored Bobby Kennedy then, and still like him a great deal to this day).

I think his description of what has been going on in the Democratic Party (the supposed champion of American "liberalism") since the end of WWII is spot on. It is a warmaking party and always has been, just as much as the Republicans are, but it pretends not to be...whereas the Republicans don't make any such pretense at all. They are proud of their militaristic credentials. A public disillusionment with war will periodically get the Democrats (or even the Republicans) elected, but it won't stop the further wars that both those parties (at the highest level, I mean) are intent on waging once they take power.

This is not something that most supporters of the Democratic Party realize, unfortunately. They think they are voting for the "peace" ticket when they vote Democrat. Thus they end up being betrayed again and again by the very people whom they put their faith in and gave their votes to.

And the Republicans are handed a clear advantage in credibility, sadly...because they don't pretend to be what they are not. They are outright bloodyminded warmongers, and they're proud of it...living out their John Wayne fantasies of rescuing the world and wiping out "the bad guys". There will always be a new "bad guy" to wipe out. He will be someone who has land and resources that the great corporate Oligarchy desires for itself.

There HAS to always be a new bad guy. Otherwise what would be the justification for maintaining the world's highest levels of military spending and fielding new high tech weapons to keep the military industry making record profits?

The present "bad guy" has been labelled "Terrorism". LOL! This is perfect, because you cannot kill a tactic. Thus it provides an endless war...and an endless war is exactly what this $ySStem wants and must have to maintain itself. It also provides a war which can be fought anywhere, since a tactic is not limited to any given location or within any set of borders. This provides carte blanche to attack anybody in the future...if they have something the Oligarchs want.

What could be better for the grand purposes of Orwell's New Amerika?

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 10:53 PM

Do you really think any good can come from persevering with the status quo?

Nope. So I am supporting the one viable candidate who believes in the urgent necessity of changing things.


Do you think humanity can even survive another century as we gouge and bite one another like rats in a cage?

Nope. Which is why, aside from the occasional scrap in these threads, I don't waste my time with much scrapping and biting. I'm more interested in rational progression.

I see a future for our species, but first we must dismantle the monsterous machine we have spent the last three hundred years constructing. A machine which enslaves 99% of our people.

Every large machine has to be changed by degrees. Unless you want to go the anarchist route and blow things up, which in fact produces dramatically retrograde results.



As I've said many times, it won't be quick and it won't be easy,but we must make a start by trying to understand how the machine works, what it does to us and how best to undertake the demolition.

Because this particular machine is built out of agreements and processes based on those agreements, it has the strange virtue of being sort of fungible, in that it's parts can be shifted in small ways that eventually transform the whole. It isn't like a tower that needs to be demolished, but more like an awkward teenager with a bad diet and immature attitudes.

The jade and cynicism I was speaking of is that the best shot and producing a concrete change at the top part, Obama's candidacy, is being treated as apathetically and sourly as though it were Tinkerbell's call to believe in fairies. It isn't. It's a real, possible path to begin making differences that need to be made in specific concrete ways informed by (as far as I know) an independent thinker with a good head on his shoulders and a high respect for important principles. That's what I'm backing as the best shot for this quarter. I'm not stupid enough to think it won't have some elements of the old politics in it, because you get covered with shit even when wading out of a shithole, don't you? The underlying direction of change is what is more important.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 11:29 PM

You too Ake. See ya tomorra.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 11:46 PM

Pilger is an admirer of Chomsky's, a view with which I sympathize. But he is not an admirer of accuracy or good research apparently, judging fro the list of errors in journalistic integrity attributed to him in the discussion at Crazyhorse's link. I think, Ake, you may be misplacing your faith in even calling him a journalist.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 01:27 AM

He is probably subjectively influenced in his interpretation of things he reads and investigates by his own likes and dislikes much as the people on this forum are, Amos... ;-)

I bet, like most of us, he is absolutely convinced that he's telling it like it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 02:28 AM

Akenaton, Go mbeannai dia duit

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 07:33 AM

Amos, please check the long list of prestigious journalistic awards that John Pilger has received.

Noam Chomsky described him as 'the renegade who is the source of the word "pilgerize" invented by journalists furious about his incisive and courageous reporting, and knowing that the only response they are capable of is ridicule.'

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 08:39 AM

I'm with Amos...

The man my be a great writer and thinker but he seriously siecategorized Obama's statement on bombing Pakistan... Might of fact, Pilget used the same generalized wording as the McCain camp used to attack Obama... That, to me, shows either laziness on his part or dishonesty...

Saying that as president if there was actionable intellegence that there was a cell about to attack the US or its troops in Pakistan and Pakistan refused to act on it that he would order a sergical strike against that cell is a far cry from "bombing Pakistan"...

Oh sure, it can be argued that even one pin pointed guided bomb into a house were the cell members are is "bombing Pakistan" but in most folks minds that would be a far cry from "bombing Pakistan"... It is sloppy journalism...

I'd also like to know why RFK chose Pilger as the only person in the world to tell that he privately supported the Vietnam War as late as '68??? This doesn't jive with what Bobby Kennedy was writing and saying at the time and truthfully the first time I have heard that... And I was working in the campaign...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 12:59 PM

I am well impressed by about 98% of what Pilger says in those articles, Bobert. That's good enough for me.

The Democratic Party was in "danger" in '68 of being taken over by a genuinely antiwar coalition led by a genuinely antiwar candidate...simply because of the enormous opposition to the war that had been building in America.

The $ySStem cannot allow either of its major parties to adopt a genuinely antiwar position...and it won't allow them to...though it will certainly allow the Democratic party to pretend to be antiwar...until it has been elected.

You saw a great demonstration of this following the last Congressional elections. Remember? The Democrats campaigned as if they were going to end Bush's Iraq War...but they did nothing of the kind once they got the chance to. They continued to support Bush's war by continuing its funding.

Thus all you people who voted for them were betrayed, as usual.

Now I think that Pilger is probably quite right that Bobby Kennedy...although looking and sounding like the great liberal dream in '68...would have continued supporting the Vietnam War policy once in office. That's how the game works. The Republicans make a big show of being pro-war (which they are). The Democrats make a big show of being anti-war (which, as a ruling party power structure, they are NOT). The public votes in the Democrats, expecting the war to end. It doesn't end, in fact it often gets even worse!

And that's how it works. Ha! Ha! Fooled again.

The sad thing is, Bobert, no matter which one of those two corrupt parties you vote in you get a war policy. And that war policy ends only when a war becomes an absolutely unwinnable disaster that is totally beyond redemption (like Vietnam)....or when the $ySStem decides it's time to move the theatre of war to a new and better location for some reason.

So I think Pilger is probably quite right in what he says about Bobby Kennedy, though as I say, I still like Bobby Kennedy a whole lot. I bet he would have continued fighting that war pretty much the way Nixon did, and you know what? The "liberals" in America would have then been far more inclined to forgive Bobby for so doing, simply because they liked and trusted Kennedy, and he wasn't a Republican! So it "must be okay"!

This is analogous to the way the conservatives can easily forgive Nixon or any other Republican president for opening friendly relations with Communist China or negotiating a big arms limitation treaty with Russia. ;-) They'd NEVER allow a Democrat to do it, but if a Republican does it, then it "must be okay"!

That's how the political game is played by the great Oligarchy in Amerika. They use people's liberal or conservative habits of thinking to manipulate them at the ballot box, and the grand imperial agenda goes ahead regardless. Either the Democrats or the Republicans can be used in that fashion, and they are used in that fashion over and over again.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 01:14 PM

Ya know, I think this old screed of yours,LH, about the high mysterious powers which control the parties, is kind of faded and worn and threadbare. For one thing it does not lead to any means of redress or handling the broad situation, which tells me the analysis is faulty. I would say more about all that, but I am in a hurry at the moment. There are several large men in black suits and sunglasses knocking on my office door.


A

AN interesting discussion with Noam Chomsky to tide you over.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 01:36 PM

LOL! Well, it's been nice knowing you, Amos...

There are business and financial interests that control the parties. Nothing mysterious about it at all. They are the same kind of large interests that controlled British expansionism in places like southern Africa back when Cecil Rhodes was the big mover and shaker. It has to do with land, vital resources, commerce, industry, and military dominance. Very simple.

There is an aggressively expansionist policy. The parties serve it. The policy must be sold to the people by telling them whatever they want to hear at any given time, and the parties do that. When the public is thoroughly fed up with one party, the other one takes over, and the policy rolls on.

Now here's the key: The vast number of ordinary people IN the 2 parties are quite innocent, of course, of what's going on, and they do not realize they are being taken to the cleaners...every time.

If they did realize it then those 2 parties would collapse, and there might well be some form of revolution.

I don't see that happening, because the media will not blow the whistle, and people's impression of what's going on is secured by the media.

There are a handful of whistleblowers: Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Pilger, Chomsky (to some extent)...that handful is not enough to stop the machine from carrying out its agenda, and its agenda is continual imperial expansion through lending money at exorbitant interest rates to poor countries (thus enslaving them), through moving our jobs to wherever the labor is dirt cheap, through laundering vast amounts of money, through moving drugs, and through provoking wars and by maintaining a high level of fear and paranoia in the public at all times....about terrorism, about crime, about drugs, etc.

The more fearful the public is, the more willing they are to give up their civil rights to "Big Brother" and to support foreign wars.

And that can only help the Empire to grow stronger.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 01:50 PM

Little Hawk, I tend so agree with you. I think you are not as naive, as with Akenaton. None of the O-blabbo supporters can seem to recite or list not one thing, in his record, that backs him up. The O-Blabbo supporters are doing so out of pure emotions...and as anyone who has been married a long time can tell you 'Who in the world can logically argue with someone who is emotional???' There is absolutely no way to get them to calm down, and let a long term logic to even be considered, as such with the case with O-Blabbo, even in the case that he has absolutely NO record of ANYTHING accomplished!! And being as the American men have been feminized so much, they have all this enthusiasm, being swept up by the celebrity, and momentum, that O-Blabbo has, without much logic, to even look into his accomplishments. And yet they'll come back at you with all this 'flap', without even considering what you have to say, or the truth. McLame is no better. This whole thing is a farce promoted with the full support of corporate media, and presented as if these are the only viable options..when in actuality, they are not! They are only the two options PRESENTED BY CORPORATE MEDIA, as representing the two options, and of course, instead of exercising their brains, they stare transfixed in front of their T.V. sets, in a stupor, thinking 'Uhh-huhhhh' ..and in fact not thinking at all...just taking in 'information' with a passive mind..being programmed!!! I truly believe, that these people are sincere in their motives...but sincerely wrong. The object of this is to deceive, because people make decisions out of what they think is the right thing to do..(if not, they'd be evil), and its clear to see, that the O-Blabbo supporters, see him as a remedy to the position we find ourselves in now...through yet ANOTHER deception!!!...THEY JUST DON'T GET IT!...Its like they have been conditioned so long, with lies, that they don't see the truth when it comes along...even when it is so obvious!! ...ok, I'm done, for now...bye

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: TIA
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 03:16 PM

"And being as the American men have been feminized so much, they have all this enthusiasm, being swept up by the celebrity, and momentum, that O-Blabbo has, without much logic, to even look into his accomplishments."

I am married to a woman scientist who would kick your sorry ass around the block for saying that "feminine" means illogical and celebrity-awed. I'd do it myself, but I am way too feminized.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 04:00 PM

GoS:

You're shooting from the hip while squinting into the sun at a moving target, kid.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 04:19 PM

Thanks, Tia. GuestFS's screed coming from such a standpoint is almost totally discreditable, his "logic" being out of touch, uninformed, and not to say, old fashioned.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 04:34 PM

guest..Thank you my friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:24 PM

Talking of "old fashioned" seems to me that many here still labour under the illusion that the Capitalist system can somehow evolve into a user friendly method of running our society.
This is wishful thinking in the extreme and wishful thinking explains the popularity of Mr Obama in some sections of the populace who ought to have learned better.

Folk like Amos , Ebbie, Sue (and others who obviously don't feel up to lending their support to Mr O in this thread), are no spring chickens; one would think that a lifetime's exposure to Capitalism in the raw, although not resulting in ninety degree burns(Amos),would at least have roasted their arses a little.

John Pilger mentions one piece of rhetoric by Obama which I did hear on TV, "an undivided Jerusalem as the Israeli capital."
No person who wants to see peace in the Middle East would ever make such a statement. It was simply a nod towards the Zionist lobby which contains most of the movers and shakers of corporate America.

Ok Bobert he may be the "least worst choice" on paper, but if he continues as he has begun you won't be able to get a cigarette paper between him and McCain come election time.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:37 PM

I think you mistook me....femininity is great....on a woman!...on a man, it leaves them unmanly men, who are more emotional, than, a whole man needs to be....even for his woman. Maybe you've gotten your man to be a weak man, which you can control..in which case, disrespecting him, is just around the corner..next step is having your needs not met...by your man!

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:39 PM

Amos.....those who are great shots..can do that, accurately....sorry about your aim

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: TIA
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:42 PM

Your last post actually confirms that I mistook nothing. You are one bigoted, categorizing, name-calling piece of work. If your views on the proper roles, attributes and relationships for men and women are as informed as your politics, keep posting, and you will turn me into a rabid Obama supporter.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:44 PM

Ebbie, yeah, I'm old fashion..a man who loves his wife, without being her monkey-boy...and because of that she knows and feels love...and in fact is...you are, on the other hand...THE NEW WOMAN..you grew balls and loved your husband like a wife!!!..yeah, you get him to do what you want, ..too bad you can't look into his mind

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:46 PM

I am a licensed MFFC, with a recovery rate of 92%. If you want to convince someone with your idiotic rants, stick to the crowd at starbucks

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: TIA
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:47 PM

See, there's the name-calling.
Now I've got one - Neanderthal!

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:53 PM

In science one needs to label something as to its characteristics. No name calling involved. If you'd like an in depth dialogue on the subject, let's go...but I'm not going to argue with some ridiculous venting, from someone on the benefits of the feminist political movement, in as so far as to mental stability ...you lose..so do our children

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:55 PM

Hey, Gfs?

I actually don't mind being "feminized" in the least. ;-) I've always figured that women, in general, had a better handle on reality than men...in general. I think a society that gave greater weight to the feminine side of the equation than American society does would be a far wiser society.

Other than that... (grin)...I pretty much agree with you.

Of the two political parties, the one that routinely engages in the most crude and stupidly masculine stereotypical thinking is the Republicans, because they are the ones who play out that half of the equation (the authoritative father figure: John Wayne/Rambo/Davy Crockett/Schwarzenneger/Eastwood/etc)...and it gets them a lot of votes from people who are scared of being seen as "effeminate" by other people.

The Democratic Party, on the other hand, acts in an outward way that seems far more warm to the feminine side of the equation (Big Mommy), but that's quite misleading, because in fact the Democratic Party at the highest level is run by the same ruthless corporate Old Boys' club that runs the Republicans. The outward style of the Democrats is crafted to appeal to all the consitutuencies that the Republicans don't appeal to. In that fashion the public is eternally split and divided against one another like the partners in a bad marriage...and that consumes most of their energy, energy which could much better be used to challenge the real controllers at the top and change the $ySStem.

The public, a house eternally divided against itself in this way, is thus rendered confused, frustrated, and impotent, and the controllers continue to run the game through those 2 parties which are the right and left hand of the robot that serves the Oligarchy. Either hand will do...and approximately half of the people will support either hand at any given time. When the country appears to be under threat, most of the people will support either hand.

Now if you are in either of those parties (at the higher levels, I mean) you STILL want like hell to win the election and beat the other party. Why? Because it's a game, just like a football game or any other game. To the winners go both the spoils and the glory.

So they will both try like hell to win, and they will both try to make the other one look bad. This helps to continue dividing the public, and the controllers cash in on the ticket sales and continue running the game, the arena, and the league. This is the biggest game of them all, and it works just the same way all the other games do.

1. Abitrarily set up 2 opposing teams.
2. Dispense lots of propaganda to get people excited about those 2 teams.
3. Get people to fund the game massively and attend it in great numbers.
4. Get the fans to cheer for their side and jeer at the other.
5. Have some fouls, disputed goals, and stuff like that to add to the excitement and fury.
6. Pick a few well known "heroes" and "villains" for people to obsess about.
7. Give both teams lots of incentive to want to win so that they knock the hell out of each other on the playing field and engage in dirty tricks.
8. Stretch the suspense out over a period of a whole year (the season).
9. End it all with a big, giant championship game (election night).
10. Declare a winner, and everyone goes nuts and parties! (except the fans of the losing team...they go off and get drunk and maudlin, and say, "Just wait till next year.")
11. Have the losing team publicly congratulate the winning team (while secretly grinding their teeth and planning revenge)...this is a particularly farcical exercise in phony posturing, and it is usually referred to as "binding up the wounds"...

Wait for it. It's all gonna happen once again in November 2008.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:01 PM

Don't know if Amos is reading...but on the news..just now..O-blabbo reversing his decision about the war....gosh, you think?? He is only making his statements on, as the broadcaster said, ..'for political expediency..' by the time this is over...nothing will be done...like the democratic congress who promised to end the war immediately (as they keeps voting to fund it)..why don't some of you just wake up??
   
P.S. I'm sure my other comments are going to raise the ire of women who are self-absorbed controlling shrews, who don't want it revealed..but..well so what...I'm not wrong...just not buying into their garbage of 'marital bliss, my way!'

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: TIA
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:01 PM

So, now the logical manly one sees fit to bring my kids into it?
You're not worth another keystro

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:07 PM

Little Hawk, Like some of your stuff...but you forgot a big one!!...Convince the public that this game is so important that their lives will be made better by going to the game, and that the players will personally affect their home, and well being! Get emotionally involved, and send lots of your money!!

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:09 PM

Tia...you sound like you equate logic with masculinity...like yours?

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:18 PM

"Convince the public that this game is so important that their lives will be made better by going to the game, and that the players will personally affect their home, and well being! Get emotionally involved, and send lots of your money!!"

Oh, yeah. LOL! Dead right. Well, like I said, this is the biggest game of all, right?

I hope you realize, GfS, that by engaging in combat with females here (as a perceived group) you are treading where Mudcat angels fear to go and risking complete excommunication and personal annihilation? As well as being drawn and quartered and having your head and privy parts stuck on a pike to strike fear into the hearts of all who pass?

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:36 PM

Oh ok..i didn't know..but I'm not surprised ..so in lieu of that, here, all, watch this... http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=two+brains+extended&search_type=

and the guy is educated too...both funny, entertaining, and correct, as to mental health. you'll have to cut and paste it.

L.H..There is a difference as to a man being more domesticated, that of being feminized

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:50 PM

LH it was only the head stuck on a pike; we sensitive women folks have to be spared from really grisley exhibitionism :)

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,lansing
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:53 PM

I just watched the video posted by gfs, great stuff. emmab, if thats all you got, fix your 'puter, so you can watch it, and listen...my wife and i howled. she even admitted it as to being right on!

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 07:11 PM

LOL loved it

Here in the UK the 'garden shed' is the physical manifestation of the 'empty box' :)

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 07:12 PM

Your accusation is complete horsepucky.

"ASHINGTON (AFP) Ñ Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama insisted Thursday he had not changed his plan for immediate troop withdrawals from Iraq, despite earlier saying he might refine his policies.
Obama spoke to reporters for a second time Thursday in North Dakota, four hours after his remarks sparked reports, ahead of a planned visit to Iraq, that he was softening his plan to get all combat troops home within 16 months.
"I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades per month," Obama said.
"This is the same position that I had four months ago, it's the same position that I had eight months ago. It's the same position that I had 12 months ago."
"My first day in office, I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war.

"Responsibly, deliberately, but decisively."

In an earlier meeting with reporters, Obama said he may "refine" his policies after consultations with generals on a trip to Iraq this month, details of which have not been announced for security reasons.

Obama, who based his primary campaign on vehement opposition to the Iraq war, said he would conduct a "thorough assessment" of his policies after the trip, his first to Iraq for two years.

The Illinois senator has faced fierce pressure from Republican foe John McCain over Iraq, who has said Obama should change his plans to take account of apparent security gains wrought by the recent US troop-surge strategy.

"When I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I am sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies," Obama was quoted as saying earlier by Fox News and the New York Times.
"I've always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed.""

---

Say, you hooters, what part of "responsibly, deliberately, but decisively" didn't you understand?

The man says he will work out the implementation when he knows enough to do so effectively. What would you have him do? Fire a shotgun in the dark?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 07:16 PM

softening??...redefine???? horsepucky????

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 07:31 PM

EmmaB, Glad you loved it....I just can't get my 'Blue Clicky' to work right...thank you for doing that. As for my point, all I was pointing out is there is a difference between how men and women assimulate and think, and the difference between the emotional, and the logical(finding a solution). I really hope a lot of you either hit EmmaB's 'Blue Clicky' or cut and paste the address I posted(same thing).
Men and women are two parts of a whole, and the difference is for the two parts to C0-0PERATE, NOT COMPETE!! from which, some jerks tend to exploit, for political reasons. Shame on them!!..They should be ignored, as idiots!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 07:38 PM

Amos...Was just litenig to the radio...He said He ....'would pull out one or two brigades at a time...', then said it was no difference from his position he had four months ago...'etc. That is pure horsepucky! There is quite a difference between 'withdrawing immediately...than... 'one or two brigades at a time'. ..You still don't see it..and that's a shame..I sorta' like you...save the brickheaded stubborness

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 08:21 PM

Ummm, looks as if this thread has gone downhill in many regards since I last had a chance to get off my feet...

Yo, LH... You need to hole up fir a weekend with Shane and Chongo and find some new material... Yer stuff, while good, is gettin' stale and you need the break outta yer "Repent, the World is Doomed" rut... But you know that this ol' hillbilly loves ya'...

Yo, GtS... "O'Blabbo" will get half the folks reading yer posts top pass on the rst of it... Those remaining will pass on it it you start SCREAMING at folks... That leaves you with about 1/4th of the folks who will actually read yer posts...

Yo, Amos... You need bail money???

Yo, ake... Greg Palist is a journalist... John Pilget is an op-ed'r... Wuth an axe to grind...

That's bout it...

This ol' hillbilly done worked too hard today and may not be back here tonight... I'm beat... Think I'll just drenk me a few Iron Cuty bers and call it quits...

Plus, I gotta perform tomorrow night at a 4th of July Festival...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 09:20 PM

Thanks for the empathy, Bobert. ;-) Personally, I find my political views refreshing and timely. One of the reasons I can have such views with equanimity is that I feel my real job in life is changing myself, not changing the entire social destiny of the USA and the western world. There has always been much oppression and political corruption in the world. There probably always will be. In the meantime I still have to deal with what my life is really about...my own development as a living, breathing, thinking, and learning soul...and my human connections...my friends and my loved ones.

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The "two brains" video is hilarious, GfS! And pretty darned well spot on...although the worst case of sitting with the remote and flipping TV channels that I ever saw is my mother, but it isn't that she's not thinking while she does it. She IS thinking about what she watches when she watches TV...so I guess she's not doing it quite the way most men do it.

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Amos, I am worried about you. You have started using the term "horse puckey" far too often, and we all know what that means...!

It means you are mutating cell by cell into a rabid Reaganite DougR-style conservative. You may only be in the early stages, Amos, so I advise you to get help NOW! While there is still time. I shudder to think what may happen if you don't.

In a few months you will be endorsing McCain if this insidious process goes on without immediate medical intervention. Call up Doktor Liebenscheiss, man! Don't delay!

Emma - Okay. (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,lansing
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 10:24 PM

gfs, i know you seem controversial, but you sure bring a thread alive!!

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:46 PM

I enjoyed the video, although I question osme of his examples, i.e. the male's affinity for fishing. I know women who enjoy the activity far more than men do. My parents, for isntance. My father thought fishing was a huge waste of time, my mother loved to fish. He liked to eat the fish. My mother didn't.

I have to say further that although I agreed with a good many of the speaker's points (I agree with GfS that men and women are two essential parts of the whole), I don't agree to the degree that he goes. The way he presents men is, imo, to make them seem pathetic.

But then, I am a woman. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: TIA
Date: 04 Jul 08 - 12:18 AM

"Tia...you sound like you equate logic with masculinity...like yours?"

Dude, you are the one who had to dis my kids to puff yourself up

you are the one who had to tout your MFFC (whatever the hell that is) to puff your self up

Trust me - I am not intimidated by your alphabet soup

An you should be intimidated by my kids

And no, you are the one who equated lack of logic with femininity

I have no fears about my masculinity

I don't give a shit whether people think I am a man or a woman

You seem reeeaaallll worried though

I am sorry for you

And my kids are smarter than you...trust me

Okay I know you don't, but you dont' have to

Time will judge

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jul 08 - 12:38 AM

There must be individual exceptions to all of these common social habits and roles that are associated in people's minds with either the male or the female gender. Goodness knows, all the people I've ever met who liked fishing were men...but there must be some women who like it too. Virtually all the scale model kit builders I ever met (hundreds) were males...but I have met 2 females in that field.

And you could say that about anything. The video was intended to be humorous, and it succeeded quite well in that sense.

Anyway, everyone's got both the male and the female fully formed already in their soul, as far as I'm concerned. It's up to them how they go about expressing it during one Earthly lifetime...how much they bring out the one or the other, and how much they suppress or remain unconscious of that which they think of as "the other".

I'm a man now. I was not always a man. Either way is good...in fact, either way is very good, both rich in possibility and expression.

Those of you who don't believe in such stuff (but only in your present mortal bodies) won't get that. Well, that's fine with me. We all walk the road we think is real as long as we are here, and everyone's road is completely unique to themselves. That's free will, and I am a strong believer in free will.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jul 08 - 12:42 AM

Tia, I don't even see how you could stretch anything I said, that was demeaning, or threatening, or insulting to you or any one. whatever button that you may be feeling, may be do to perception...which is exactly what I, in part, was talking about. Ok? ..warmest regards

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jul 08 - 01:03 AM

Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: Unity
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jul 08 - 01:16 AM

Well-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l??????????????