BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group

Subject: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: GUEST,ornery
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 09:25 AM

My political input for the day. Wrote it last night, mailed it today:

Hon. Greg Abbott
Texas Attorney General

Governor Rick Perry is currently attending a meeting of the Bilderberg Group in Istanbul, Turkey. This has been reported on the front pages of newspapers in Texas, on the air in Austin, and throughout the world via the internet. This action on Governor Perry's part is criminal. It is a violation of the Logan Act, which states, "Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." 18 U.S.C. § 953.

The Bilderberg Group is comprised of several dozen interests, from national leaders, to corporate leaders to royalty. They meet annually in order to set global goals for the next year. Governor Perry cannot legally take part in this meeting, but since he is taking part, one must suspect he is up to no good. He has already shown his willingness to work against the interests of the people of Texas by pushing the Trans-Texas Corridor, which is supposed to turn over 8,000 miles of taxpayer-built roadways to Cintra-Zachary (a private business controlled by King Juan Carlos of Spain). So, since Governor Perry is willing to flagrantly break the law with regards to the property of the taxpayers of Texas, there's no telling what other illegal activity he is now involved in behind closed doors.

Governor Perry needs to give a full and complete accounting, under oath, of what his talks at the Bilderberg meeting covered, and the testimony needs to be made public. If he refuses to testify, he needs to be charged under the Logan Act. As Attorney General of Texas, you would have the authority to see this is done. Please take care of this matter quickly, before any malfeasance on our governor's part has a chance to manifest itself.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:08 AM

Yeah, he's probably a member of the Illuminati too.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: GUEST,ornery
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:32 AM

The Associated Press

Gov. Rick Perry leaves today for the Bilderberg Conference, an exclusive, hush-hush meeting of global leaders in business, media and politics. The invitation-only conference was started in 1954 and named for the Dutch hotel where the conference was first held. Those who attend promise not to reveal what was discussed, security is tight, and the press and public are barred.

The conference has been the subject of conspiracy theorists and even Christian groups who wonder about its influence.

Robert Black, the governor's press secretary, said the governor was invited to attend and speak about state-federal relations. Mr. Black dismissed the conspiracy theories.

"He's looking forward to learning the secret handshake," Mr. Black joked.

He said that Mr. Perry is paying for the trip and host hotel, usually among the top in the world, out of campaign contributions from his Texans for Rick Perry committee.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-perry_31tex.ART.State.Edition1.43b926a.html

Big joke, right? The "secret handshake" and all that. Reports from Bilderberg so far this year indicate that the U.S. will be ordered to reverse its stance on the Kyoto crap (stories about this already in the news, Bush changing his "stance"). This will lead to an international group having authority to tax and fine "polluting" humans down to a maneageable level. This fits in with the Nazi/eugenics policies of the U.N.

And in other news from the Bilderberg meeting of 2007, the U.N. is reportedly to be given power to levy taxes and fines on maritime activities. So, the U.N. will be given dominion over 3/4s of the earth's surface (the oceans). Won't be subject to governmental oversight of any kind, except oversight of the Bilderbergs. Nice, huh?

I just want my governor held accountable at the local level. If we all do this, the bigger picture will take care of itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 02:16 PM

What nonsense!

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 02:59 PM

. . . yawn. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 03:28 PM

Yeah, those Nazis were SO pro-environment!

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 05:01 PM

And did you know that Exxon is Noxxe spelt backwards? The second coming of Hitler is not far off.

And do you know their song?

Bilderberg, Bilderberg,
Brave courageous and bold;
Long live their fame,
and long live their glory,
And long may their story be told.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: John Hardly
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 05:07 PM

But does he know Kevin Bacon?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: pattyClink
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 08:18 PM

Years ago, I thought all this stuff was wacky too.

But lately I'm asking myself WHY our highest leaders seem so hell bent on signing so much stuff over to foreign interests, and WHY a few rich men made a dolt like GWB president. What's really going on?    It really is starting to look like string pulling on the multinational level.   And if a few global elite are pulling strings, their best weapon is our sensible conviction that such things couldn't happen, and our eagerness to ridicule any idea there could be such things. Aren't we smart, WE aren't loony tinfoilhat people.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 08:23 PM

The Bilderberg group exists. They have been working to change the economic 'face of the world' for a half century. To deny that is to be stupid. To deny that a New World Order is indeed coming about, and that the term has been being used for over a century is also to be stupid. To deny that wars are started so that someone makes a profit is to be stupid. When stupid people tell me I am wearing a tinfoil hat, I consider the source and don't take their remarks very seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 08:48 PM

Actually, ornery isn't a wacko with this thread. A lot of really shady stuff is in the offing, if the governor gets his way. That bit about roads being turned over, and all of the proposed new toll roads around here, it's beginning to look like someone has figured out a cash cow that runs under the radar.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 09:10 PM

Or, Peace, it is to be ill-informed, and/or just conventionally-minded. A lot of people who are basically not technically stupid at all are nevertheless ill-informed...and most of them are conventionally-minded as well.

Add to that the fact that most people who already have formed an established opinion on anything will go on defending it to the bitter end, because their ego is involved in defending it...and you have the engine that runs the endless debates on this forum.

A tragicomedy, I call it.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:01 PM

I am one of the stupid people, no doubt about it. I am able to entertain the idea of nefarious plans by malicious people- however, what I am truly concerned with is Do you have a solution? Some of us are already doing what we can as we can. In my life I don't want endless conjecturing and finger pointing.

I am not a handwringer by nature. Until I am not only aware and convinced of a problem outside my own community I'll keep an eye and an ear out but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

So. Do you have a solution?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:09 PM

We definitely do not have a solution, Ebbie. None of us. ;-) Nor will we have a solution. I can guaran-dam-T it. Not a chance. It's utterly beyond our reach. But we do find it an interesting subject...nonetheless.

People simply like to know about stuff, even stuff that they will never have a solution for. Even stuff they can't do anything about. Why? Simply because they want to know. It satisfies a basic need that is in people, animals, and all sentient beings.

Dogs too, for example, are often deeply interested in stuff they can do nothing about. Have you ever noticed that? Whether they are under the illusion they can do something about it...well, that's another matter, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:20 PM

I'm with Ebbie on this.

Little Hawk, that may be fine for some folks, but I, personally, am not willing to roll over and play dead.

Think!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:20 PM

My remark, btw, referred to no one on Mudcat.

LH, a few years back I posted a link to the research from a prof at Harvard. He traced mentions of the term New World Order and followed it back about 100 years. He documented his sources, as an academic would, and his research was excellent. To deny that the term is used is stupid. To suggest that the term would be used all on its own with no groups actually working to bring about such an end is also stupid.

Hell, I know I should be less outspoken and find better terms/other words for 'stupid'. But ya know, I am fed up with foolish dismissals--crap like 'tin-foil hat'--so really I can't be arsed to find the other words just now.

The Bilderberg group: They represent serious money. So, clubs form. It's people who have a common interest. Namely money and the power to control things with that money. Fair enough. However, let's have a serious look at a few things. They have heavy security at their meetings, regardless of the country they have the meetings in. Security is not provided by 'rent-a-cop' outfits. It is provided on the taxpayers' bills because that security is provided by police, soldiers, agents of various clandestine outfits that work for the governments involved. WTF? All folk festivals with ten times that number of people get are some police officers (who keep an eye on things and are more concerned about giving directions and crowd control than about being body guards). These guys and a few gals are not representing us. They are representing their fuckin' money, so why is their protection done at our expense? Fair enough that people joined together by a common interest get together for a few beers and a couple nights out. And of course they have the right to talk about whatever the heck they want and either tell folks or not, as they so choose. BUT, if the topic of their conversations is gaining control of markets or economies, they are in breach of several international laws and many more national ones, depending on their countries of origin.

So what the hell does that mean? It means that all we can see and know about the Bilderbergers has to be inferred from who goes to the meetings--and that can be and IS documented--and their respective moves to other organizations. Surely folks are aware of Wolfowitz's appointment as head of the World Bank (and his subsequent fall from grace). Read his biography. He is a brilliant man, very intelligent, and his accomplishments for many years were geared to peace and after-war recovery of people. He is an admirable man. Or, IMO, was, until he became Sec Def and let the devil have his soul. Had the US been serious about stuff in this world, the best placement for Wolfowitz would have been the Middle East where his mission could have been to bring peace to the region. He was well-respected in Indonesia, so he understands things from a Muslim perspective (Indonesia is I think the largest Muslim country in the world). He also understands Israel. So, where's he go? Of course, the friggin' World bank.

The mission of the World Bank is a righteous one--at least on the surface. The organization was established just after WWII, and much like the UN in original intent, it's efforts were honourable. They have access to lots of money, and they are charged with the responsibility of using that money in a manner that helps countries bring better things into their lives. So, of course, I'd want to ask this question: Exactly who the fuck have they helped lately? WTF have they helped in years? No doubt some yahoo is gonna post a few links and say, "This is who." Good, because then I'll track the companies that got the contracts to advise or do the skilled work in the countries thaey helped. That in itself is often an education.

Lemme ask this: Halliburton. They are a skilled company, very rich is both cash and assets. So how did they get away with serving MREs at $18.00 each to soldiers in Iraq? Nice work if you can get it. Of course, too, I guess if I had an in with the former CEO of that company, and I had the desire to make a few bucks on a war that conveniently arose--hell, why not? And for friggin' sure Halliburton made money. Kind of the American taxpayer to help 'em along. Oh, true, they weren't asked, but they likely would have said yes anyway because the troops gotta eat. And the war was well-sold in the first year. I would wonder if any Bilderbergers are high-up in Halliburton, or perhaps on the board. Naw, not likely is it?

And of course the final question that I hope someone answers. Oil is the key to producing energy. Energy is the key to manufacturing. As a total figure, I'd wonder what percent of say the US manufacturing business--the WHOLE thing--was enriched by the Iraq War. Because sure as sheep get sheared, the taxpayer has paid lots for a war and they didn't get too much back in terms of cash for their expenditure. I think the war has cost the USA about half a trillion dollars. Or more specifically the taxpayers. So which companies made a few bucks, and how many of those companies are friends with Bush/Cheney, and how many have representation at the Bilderbergers meetings? That's just a wild guess, because I'm sure the answer would be none. I suspect otherwise, but that's brought on by the hat I wear. It's tinfoil.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:25 PM

LH: I know wher you're at with this stuff. Please know that only "LH, a few years back I posted a link to the research from a prof at Harvard. He traced mentions of the term New World Order and followed it back about 100 years. He documented his sources, as an academic would, and his research was excellent. To deny that the term is used is stupid. To suggest that the term would be used all on its own with no groups actually working to bring about such an end is also stupid.

Hell, I know I should be less outspoken and find better terms/other words for 'stupid'. But ya know, I am fed up with foolish dismissals--crap like 'tin-foil hat'--so really I can't be arsed to find the other words just now."

that was for you. The rest is for others. I think you know this stuff already.

Please also note that on a thread about outsourcing the American Presidency (to save cash), I posted that the word was 'Shatner has the job'. You, knowing Shatner better than even Shatner knows Shatner--well, would you care to comment?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:36 PM

"So. Do you have a solution?"

Maybe. What do you see as being the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:54 PM

Toll roads are being privatized as the states get out of the business of funding maintenance and repair.
A recent example concerns the Indiana Toll Road, the lease concession of which was awarded to ITR Concession Company for a bid of $3.8 billion. ITR Concession Company is an even partnership between Cintra of Spain and Macquarie of Australia. The lease agreement was concluded Apr. 12, 2006 and ITR assumed operational responsibility June 29, 2006.
LLC(ITR) controls leases on toll roads in Spain and, I believe, Italy and elsewhere in Europe.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ppp/indiana_tollway.htm
Indiana Toll Road

The state of Texas, among others, is considering concessionaire proposals from major international suitors.

Like ports and other facilities, large capital management companies operating on a global scale are more and more assuming responsibility for roads, ports, shipping, banks, stock exchanges, etc. Sale concessions on some U. S. ports to a Dubai management firm were recently dfeated, but undoubtedly will surface again.

This is all part of the increasing globalization of facilities, which is proceeding rapidly.

Stock exchanges are following the same pattern. The Babcock family, who control the New York Stock Exchange, are considering either merger or sale to one of several suitors, two of which are based in Europe. Incidentally Babcock and Brown were unsuccessful bidders for the Indiana Toll Road, bidding $2.84 billion.

Banks also are involved; the cash-rich Royal Bank of Scotland is actively seeking to buy various large European bank chains. HSBC (Hongkong), a large operator in the United States and Canada, is expected to get into the chase very soon.

Discussion of Bilderberg is so 20 years ago. It is merely a planning group. The creative activity has passed to the large multinational bank and capital management concerns.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:56 PM

LOL! Well, Peace, I think that putting Shatner at the helm...and not only in the USA, mind you, but give him world power...and then, by God, you'd see some changes! Yesiree. My head swims just thinking about it.

Don, I sympathize with your viewpoint. I even empathize with it a bit. ;-) By all means, if you think you can do something about the great forces in charge of society, go to it. That goes for anyone else who thinks they can do something. Guest figures to do something by writing to his state's Attorney General. Great.

But, hey, do I think I can do something about it? No, frankly. I am one little person living out a life here, a life that is in its latter stages now, and for me it's just one life in a series of many. My main job in this life is to do something about me....about my own personal development as an evolving soul. I've got karma to work out. I've got rough edges to smooth out and weaknesses to work on eradicating. I am not here to redirect the gigantic political trends and forces of the early 21st century...or to control other people. My big job is to control myself.

But that doesn't mean I'm not interested in what's going on around me.

As far as I can see, big money runs everything. We live in a system that is of the rich, by the rich, for the rich. And it's been that way for a very, very long time (long before the USA even existed). It's quite something to observe.

I would be foolish to become so bitter about it or so addicted to fretting and raging about it that I screw up my own life experience in the process. My own life, after all, is what I am here to experience, right? Part of being alive is just accepting that most of the world is going to do whatever the heck it decides to, regardless of what you think about it, because just like you they have their own free will about what to do and how to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:56 PM

This is an interesting subject, Peace. I have no problem in discussing it. Where I get disgruntled is when people - the discussers - bemoan practically the whole darn world's involvement with every dadgum crime that arises - and nobody ever talks. Yeah. Right. I prefer to think in terms of what is the human nature we all know.

As far as the 'New World Order' and the Bilderberg group, etc, goes, until I am further informed I will continue to tend to think of their plans and plotting and projecting as being what they consider best for the world, and in the process profiting monetarily from it. They may be wrong- what they do may be illegal - they may be manipulative as hell - but that is what I tend to think.

It's like another belief I have- many people are willing to break the law, many are willing to lie and are accomplished in it, many are even willing to try to ruin the lives of someone else. But not many, percentage wise, would be willing to actually kill someone or to order a killing. Those people have always been in the minority and will continue to be.

Them's my thoughts.

And Little Hawk, I have reservations on what you say about wanting to know or talking about something I can do nothing about. For instance, Darfur. And some years back, Bangladesh. And orphanages in Romania. And orphanages in Russia. There is nothing I can do about it and to spend my life weeping only adds to the misery of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:57 PM

"Discussion of Bilderberg is so 20 years ago. It is merely a planning group."

It may be 'so twenty years ago', Q, but they continue to meet.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:09 PM

Well, Ebbie, I am 100% in favor of anyone doing whatever they feel they can do to be of assistance in such matters as you mention. Certainly there is no point in spending one's life just weeping about the sorrows and injustices of the world. Nope, I wouldn't recommend that approach at all. I'd rather see a person be happy.

But I think that all human beings basically want to know about everything, don't they? I certainly did, from the earliest age. That's what makes children (and young animals) so curious. We all want to know what's behind a locked door or what's on the other side of the wall or over the crest of the hill. We want to know why things happen. It's natural. You could say it's a tool that helps propel evolution...or you could say that it's the inherent nature of the soul...the desire to know.

Peace, you might enjoy reading this book: "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:25 PM

I should qualify my statements above somewhat. I implied I don't want to know about some things- but that's not true. I read voraciously. I just don't want to talk about them.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:36 PM

"Confessions of an Economic Hit Man." I second the recommendation.

John Perkins is doing what he can. He blew the whistle on a very sleazy (criminal, actually) bit of corporate-sponsored foreign policy by writing the book. Hoping, of course, that people won't just say, "Well, what can I do? I'm only one person."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 12:01 AM

"Where I get disgruntled is when people - the discussers - bemoan practically the whole darn world's involvement with every dadgum crime that arises - and nobody ever talks."

I can certainly understand that, Ebbie, because that's how I feel about tinfoil hats and remarks of that nature. It is an attempt to ridicule and not address the more serious concerns. The Bilderbergers exist under that name since 1954. That seems to be contested by no one. So why do the meetings--that have some of the more influential people in the world--never get discussed in main stream media? Never mind what was discussed behind closed doors (and funded from the public purse), the personages themselves don't even get pictures in the papers. At least not pictures posted by main stream media. Strange, that. Some starlet drops her drawers or some movie actor is DUI and THAT makes the main stream media. So why not people much more 'important'?

We have people here who will on one had imply that the groups don't exist and then in a few sentences talk about the groups as though they DO exist. It gets real confusing for an ol' guy like me.

We accept that main stream media played a role in getting the Iraq War off to a good start. And we have seen the death of investigative journalism happening over the past seven years or so. Hell, on stories like this, why does no one do an expose? Some heavy members of the press have attended, including Conrad Black and lo, never a word in his papers.



"Rwanda to Receive US$810 Million in Debt Service Relief: The IMF and World Bank Support Debt Relief for Rwanda Under the Enhanced HIPC Initiative"


Oh, such news. Because for the first time in years--over a decade--Rwanda's military expenditures are likely to be over 13% of its GDP in 2007. It has seldom risen above 3% for over a decade.

Rwanda's GDP is about two billion dollars. Their traditional expenditure on the military has been about $60,000,000 per year (that being 3% of their GDP. So, the loan for debt relief comes in at $800,000,000. Their new military expenditure is to be $260,000,000. I doubt that one thing has anything to do with the other. So, I'll just say it's curious.

What to do? If I knew, Ebbie, I'd have the Nobel Prize within three years. I too can only help change the small things. And notice the big things. In a world where people want to trust politicians like Cheney/Bush, trust the word of multi-nationals, believe that rich folks are interested in really helping poor folks--and when we see precious bloody little changing in terms of world poverty--there really isn't much I can do. Just the way it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 12:05 AM

He indeed blew the whistle back in 2004. His expose of malfeasance between American interests and 'third-world' countries was brilliant. So it prompts me to ask, "What's changed?"

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 12:10 AM

'20 years ago Perkins began writing a book with the working title, "Conscience of an Economic Hit Men."

Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as kindred spirits - Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos, president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped in.

John Perkins goes on to write: "I was persuaded to stop writing that book. I started it four more times during the next twenty years. On each occasion, my decision to begin again was influenced by current world events: the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1980, the first Gulf War, Somalia, and the rise of Osama bin Laden. However, threats or bribes always convinced me to stop."'

Finally, after 20 years he publishes. So he demonstrates that maybe all the 'tinfoil' hat people may not be as crazy as some try to make us. But what's changed?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 01:10 AM

Guess I'll have to read that book.

I was under the impression that debt relief to the poorest countries was debt forgiveness, a write off. I know that I have read stuff to that effect.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 01:26 AM

Even if it is aid given that way, it then frees up cash for other purchases. I wonder which companies will benefit from Rwanda's new military purchases? I would hazard a guess that we'd all recognize some of the names, but that's just a guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 01:29 AM

And Rwanda is just one country.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: GUEST,ornery
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 02:38 AM

The future of Texas is endless toll roads with no exits, so you HAVE to pay extra mileage costs. Cameras zapping your license plates and GPS tracking your car and the bill coming in the mail, unless the court deems you a bad risk and sets up a direct withdrawal program from your bank account, to pay for your tickets.

The future is the Communist Chinese owning the port of Corpus Christi, with one of Rick Perry's arterial megahighways running north from the coast to feed the country with Chinese crap.

That's the future, but for now there's some good news. While Perry is in Istanbul guzzling Dom Perignon and playing grabass with young Turkish boys (yes, Perry is in deep touch with his feminine side), but while he's cavorting with the whores and the royalty, his pet "initiative" that proposes to give King Juan Carlos 8,000 miles of Texas roadways ran into some trouble in the Texas legislature:

Public opposition to PPP (Public-Private Partnership) financing encouraged the Texas Legislature to adopt a two-year moratorium on the state's PPP projects. The governor's veto, however, along with threats from the U.S. Department of Transportation, forced the Legislature to pass a watered-down compromise bill that blocks only future PPP projects, but allows the current Trans-Texas Corridor to go forward....

Texas voters tried valiantly to put a moratorium on the sale of the Trans-Texas Corridor to Cintra-Zachry, the Spanish-Australian PPP that wants to pay $7.2 billion to the state. They succeeded in the Legislature, but threats from the governor and the federal government ignored what the people want.

In every state and every community, someone is planning, right now, to sell public infrastructure to a public-private partnership. Chances are better than good that the PPP has its roots in another country. This can't be good for America.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55971

You CAN fight city hall. My email to the Atty Gen will turn the tide. Someday my likeness will be carved in marble and placed in the main hall of the Texas capitol because I saved America. I will be idealized in marble with angelic wings and tinfoil hat, and schoolkids will recite "the email" at patriotic functions. Or maybe not, but giving up is not an option. You're not a loser unless you quit.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:24 AM

Yeah, as I said, I've heard that Perry is a member of the Bilderberg group, and the Illuminati, and the Masons, and the Trilateral Commission and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion--oh sorry the last one is a book. Somewhere in there must be an all-powerful world-wide conspiracy that is true.

Or maybe not.

By the way, Ornery, what kind of music do you like?

Or are you another delightful politics-only poster?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:39 AM

You know, Ron, when you have a system which functions according to money flow...which is what we have...where big money is always the driving force behind major decisions...

Then what would appear to be a "conspiracy" (a rather emotionally loaded word for many people) would just be the inevitable and natural result of self-interest playing itself out on the part of those with the most money. And those people know each other and deal with each other, right? Their kids go to the same schools. They meet across the same tables.

It's like...royalty ran the world for a very long time, right? Was that a conspiracy? Or was it just the way things worked? A poor person might have seen it as a conspiracy.

What is happening now is that our version of royalty (billionaires...and some of them still are royalty) are running the world. They naturally do whatever they think is in their best interests, and they communicate with one another. Is that a conspiracy or is that just the natural working out of the most powerful forces at play in the world?

Seems to me that it's more the people who insist it's not happening who would prefer to see it labeled as a "conspiracy", since so labelling it casts doubt upon it. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:49 AM

OK LH--which one of my list would you like to nominate for all-powerful group--or would you like to suggest another?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 12:09 PM

I don't know, Ron. I figure there are any number of identifiable groups out there who are very powerful players, but which one is the most powerful at the moment, I couldn't say. I just don't move in the right circles to be sure about that. ;-)

Going back to medieval times...you could have had a similar discussion about the royal houses of Europe, the Vatican, the Holy Roman Empire, the Knights Templar, the Inquisition, and a bunch of other powerful groups of that time. Which one was "all-powerful"? Well, I guess some of them thought of themselves that way...and there may well be someone who thinks of themselves that way now too.

The USA acts as if it is all-powerful in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 12:21 PM

You're right about US behavior. But as I think you'd be willing to admit, the behavior of the current regime doesn't exactly have rave reviews from all Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:19 PM

I think there is a fair amount to what Little Hawk says in his post at 11:39 AM. It seems to be big money that makes the world go 'round. Case in point:   why can't we eliminate war? I'm sure the vast majority of the world's population would like to see that happen. Passionately! But during a war, certain people make lots of money (can you say "Halliburton?"), and as long as we elect people who have ties with the corporations that make the profits (can you say "Cheney?" He's the puppeteer who has his hand up Bush's backside), we will have wars. But I disagree with this whole idea that any single group, such as the Bilderberg bunch, is really running the world the way the lovers of conspiracy theories insist they are. It's more like several groups and powerful individuals, all trying to play "king of the hill."

And I don't agree that that's just the way things are and nothing can be done.

Do you know who coined the expression "You can't fight City Hall?"

City Hall.

Think about it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: John Hardly
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:39 PM

People naturally centralize their governments. Since 1800, we have gone from separate and very independant colonies who could barely be coerced into joining into union against Britain, to a strong federal than states governments. Europe, at the same time, is blurring the lines of their countries into stronger and stronger unions.

Nothing terribly nefarious. People think that government can solve all of life's problems. Thus convincedm, it isn't even a jump to assume that the bigger the governement, the better it serves the wants and needs of the populace.

But at the same time, ever since the days of Alexander, whenever governement overextended itself, it soon became obviously incapable, not only of meeting the wants and needs of the people, but of protecting its interest from the conflicting interests of others who also wished to centralize but under a different government, centered in a different location.

But suddenly it has begun to look as though the cats that could never before in history be herded are round-upable. That is, transportation, communication, technology have made it seem likely that one government for all the people of the world is a possibility.

In fact, that explains to a very large degree why the world situation is as it is today.

The "internationalism" of the "neocons" under Bush is quite obvious -- they have accepted the notion that the world will be under one government. They are just hoping to be able to shape that government in a way that they think it should go.

The left, though not in power, and thus not as obviously, are just as internationalist. They just happen to think that the US should have a much smaller roll in the shaping of the government -- especially as regards any sort of "free enterprise" notions to the model. Their hopes are that the one world government will shake out to be the model wherein all work for the government and the government in turn distributes the wealth in an egalitarian way.

Those in power in the American left, I believe, are betting strongly on the possiblity that if they help "Europeanize" the US, they will have a bigger share of the government left to the US.

Internationalism is here. It's just a fight to see who gets to order the whole thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 09:57 PM

"Those in power on the left" in the US. Now who would they be? Do you really think all Democrats are "on the left"? Or even that Nancy Pelosi--one of the few Democrats who has some power-- is?

As our UK posters will probably confirm, the idea that there is a "Left" with any kind of power in the US is close to laughable.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 10:14 PM

I think every one of those on the 'left' post here at Mudcat. The Guthrie days are long gone, but there are a few who try to carry on.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:49 AM

Agreed, Ron. There is no real "Left" in American politics. By general world standards, the Democrats and the Republicans are both considerably right of center. The Republicans just like to pretend the Democrats are "leftists", because it scares the American voters...some of whom are gullible enough to believe it. The Democrats are placed in an embarrassing situation thusly, because nothing they can do can possibly make them seem as "rightist" as the Republicans.....although they do try. ;-)

The USA is virtually the only society in the world (outside of a few iron-handed military dictatorships) where it's commonly considered a bad thing to be a "liberal".

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:48 AM

wow...

so it IS nefarious...

...and the democrats and republicans are BOTH in it with the Bilderbergers and the Illuminati and soon, oh so soon, they will be led by the Antichrist to take over the world (wa ha ha!).

You know what 668 is?

...it's the antichrist's next door neighbor.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!

...or at least head for the 900 block (further away from the 600 block, where resides the antichrist, his biderberger next door neighbor (I'm betting that the neighborhood cookouts are always over at the bilderbergers house -- and when the illuminati come over, everyone has to don their shades), the illuminati, and the Rockefellers (who, I am told, infected the world with AIDS for population and race control, and hold the antidote).

Don't get me started on the Chinese mafia.

It's a scary, scary world.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 09:40 AM

The USA is virtually the only society in the world (outside of a few iron-handed military dictatorships) where it's commonly considered a bad thing to be a "liberal". (Little Hawk)

In Germany and Austria, to be a "liberal" is also commonly considered a bad thing. The "Liberale" are the right wing parliamentary fringe in both countries. If pressed very hard, I'd rather vote for the Christian conservatives than for our Liberals.

The Bilderberg group exists. ... To deny that is to be stupid. To deny that the term (New World Order) has been being used for over a century is also to be stupid. (Peace)

That's a straw man argument. No one does that. The opposition is to what is read into these terms. The term "Jewish world conspiracy" has been with us for even more than 100 years. Does that make it a valid concept?

It is always the same Guest starting these threads under new names. He comes from the lunatic fringe of the extreme political Right, in my opinion. But I could be wrong with that guess from my experiences over here. These conspiracies are a pet theme for our Neonazis.

Such wacko ideas only detract from real threats.

I can't see much wrong in principle with the idea of multinational think tanks in times of global threats (climate, terrorism, WMDs, economy,...). I see much wrong with the way our leaders often deal with these problems, but if they want to deal with them, informal talks can be one way.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 09:44 AM

"multinational think tanks"

Then let the thoughts be transparent.

You want you cake and want to eat it, too, Wolfgang. You can play the straw man card--that's an easy one--but the facts don't change much when you do. And while we're on that card, that's what your Neonazi statement is.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 10:09 AM

That's a play with words Wolfgang - it's a bit like saying that in the United States of America half the voters are against democracy on the ground the vote against the Democrats, and half the voters are against republicanism because they vote against the Republicans.

Rather more relevant is the fact that say the policies of all major parties in Germany would in the USA be likely to be termed "liberal", which would also be true in respect of all mainstream parties in the United Kingdom.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:29 PM

That's an interesting bit of information about the "liberals" in Germany, Wolfgang. I hadn't heard about that before.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:41 PM

Understanding German: Why a Liberal is Not Always a "Liberal"

Mind, I suspect that even this bunch of right wingers would be liable to count as "liberal" in the current American demonology.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:10 PM

"'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'"

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: GUEST,ornery
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:28 PM

Life must be nice and simple for people like Wolfgang, who let the media do their thinking for them.

The Associated Press reported on Texas Governor Rick Perry's trip to the Bilderberg meeting. The media also joked about 'secret handshakes' and such in an attempt to draw attention away from the fact that this is a meeting of the most powerful people in the world. Not just SOME of the most powerful, but THE most powerful. If 130 supermodels, or 130 sports superstars gathered in one place, you'd have coverage of the event for a year. But the Bilderbergs 'don't exist,' etc.

So then the front page of the Dallas Morning News reports our governor is going to this meeting. That's a crime. Negotiations occur at the meeting. Deals are cut. Perry is an elected official. He can't be there under U.S. law. So a letter to the state's attorney general is warranted.

Some of you folks just don't want to face reality, so you disparage those who point out the obvious. Must be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:39 PM

To drift slightly - that Logan Act sounds pretty weird. As I read it, it looks as if any American taking part in any activity abroad relating to any "controversial policy" involving the United States is liable to be banged up in jail for three years. Go on a demonstration or sign a petition about Iraq, say, when you are abroad, or even, say, outside a foreign embassy, and you're at risk.

Strewth! I don't think there are many democratic states with laws like that!

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:45 PM

holy shit. What did wolfgang do to get tag-teamed?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:50 PM

The first time I heard the term new world order it came from the lips of GHW Bush.

The Confessions of an economic hit man is an expose' of how the CIA and and multinational/US corporate cooperation works.

How Bilderberg works is similar but on an even grander scale.
The nature of the most influential members is very interesting to me.

To be President of United States for a Bulderberg member of the highest echelon would be like a demotion from bank manager to an assistant manager at KFC.

When some people have several to many trillion dollars to move around, it is no longer satisfactory or rewarding to merely accumulate more wealth. Holding the world in their hands to make crititical and crucial population decisions while molding a secure future for their interests is a rarified exercise in power that delivers a reward for only the most monumental egos on the planet.

These are the people and families that make CEO's look like mere pawns.

The world has
wheels within wheels
but the big wheel
is a big deal

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:52 PM

don't forget the direct-line phone to the antichrist.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:58 PM

ornery: your thoughts are scary. People will make fun of you for them. Don't worry about it. I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 02:04 PM

I do. But all in good fun. I grew up around the very best in conspiracy theories.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:04 PM

Look at these statements, ornery:

#1: The Associated Press reported on Texas Governor Rick Perry's trip to the Bilderberg meeting. The media also joked about 'secret handshakes' and such in an attempt to draw attention away from the fact that this is a meeting of the most powerful people in the world.

#2: So then the front page of the Dallas Morning News reports our governor is going to this meeting.

#3: But the Bilderbergs 'don't exist,' etc.

If the mainstream media are reporting not only on the existence of the meeting but on its attendees, how can your Statement #3 be correct?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:36 PM

Since when did the Bilderbergers gain such respectability?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:38 PM

Since they started building a better burger.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:27 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:49 PM

"As I read it, it looks as if any American taking part in any activity abroad relating to any "controversial policy" involving the United States is liable to be banged up in jail for three years."

Hell, that's nothing, an American can do jail time for buying a Cuban cigar anywhere in the world as governor Arnold found out last week:

"Under trade restrictions, U.S. citizens are prohibited from buying Cuban cigars anywhere in the world."

http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_153103425.html

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:52 PM

Cigar? CIGAR? Was Monica around?

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:54 PM

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

S.Freud

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:56 PM

There are plenty of good five cent cigars in the country. The trouble is they cost a quarter.

Franklin P. Adams

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:58 PM

That's because of them damn Bilderbergers.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 05:02 PM

NOOOOOOO!

"What the country needs is a good five cent cigar. Fact is it has one. Trouble is it costs a quarter. What the country really needs is a good five cent nickel."

Someone said that. Wasn't me. Can't recall who. Maybe George Burns.

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:48 PM

"What this country needs is a good five cent cigar." - Thomas Marshall, Vice-President of the United States, 1919.

"There are plenty of good five-cent cigars in the country. The problem is they cost a quarter. What this country needs is a good five-cent nickel." - Franklin P. Adams (1881-1960)

Subject: RE: BS: Texas Governor & Bilderberg Group
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:53 PM

THANK YOU, McG of H.