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Shaneo 18 Dec 07 - 08:36 AM
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Subject: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:05 AM

I hear that the BBC is going to bleep out the word "faggot" from the song so as not to offend the gay community.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:14 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7149525.stm


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:21 AM

They won't need to censor McGowan though, his diction says it all - not!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAwK9juhhY


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:22 AM

Seems it just applies to Radio 1 - 'a station by station decision'

'But the ban does not apply across the BBC. Radio 2 said it would be playing the full version of the track.'

BBC News 24


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The PA
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:23 AM

I cant imagine the usual Radio 1 audience being the slightest bit interested in this at all. The word 'fagot' is quite polite in comparison to some of the expressions I've heard. Our son is 17 and has never head of the expression. Radio 2 are continuing to play the unedited version.

Another example of the world going mad I'm afraid. Schools not allowed to perform the traditional nativity play, changing the name of Christmas to Winterfest for fear of offending someone somewhere to name but two.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:38 AM

I'm sure the word "f**k" which seems to be common place across the airwaves these days causes more offence.

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:58 AM

Radio 1 attempts to be a 'youth' station; the official title for the station's anniversary celebrations, "Established 1967", doesn't even mention the actual age the station is going to be!

Like PA I can't imagine that the bulk of its target audience are even familiar with the term, which is essentially a North American (or Australian?) derogatory word leading to a lot of suprised looks in the US to 'I'm going to try and find some fags' when needing a cigarette :)

alternatively I'm very fond of them with onion gravy :)


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:01 AM

"They won't need to censor McGowan though, his diction says it all - not!"

I've heard that McGowan is one his best generations lyric writers. After listening to the Pogues albums, I couldn't possibly say.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:04 AM

Crazy decision.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:08 AM

So, the drug references can stay (you're a bum, you're a punk, you're an old slut on junk), but the 'cheap lousy faggot' has to be blanked... says it all really. For the BBC, drugs are acceptable, being gay isn't.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:14 AM

The BBC Radio 1 message board must be in melt-down!

Trying to access the question on the home page 'Is the BBC right to edit lyrics?' just gets a webpage unobtainable message!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:24 AM

From a BBC website poll:
Should radio stations censor The Pogues' Fairytale of New York?
Yes
3.74%
No
96.26%


No point in getting worked up about it. I think this is pretty obviously a publicity stunt by BBC 1, to remind people it exists.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:28 AM

Why don't they play Bottle of Smoke instead?


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:16 AM

Isn't the word Mick used in this song as a generic description for an Irishman?
In my mind this is even more insulting than the word that is being blanked out.
I suspect that there may be more homosexuals than Irishmen working at the BBC.
With apologies to Terry Wogan [Sir]
Giok


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Subject: Lyr Add: BOYS FROM THE COUNTY HELL (The Pogues)
From: Shaneo
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:36 AM

If the really wanted to stir it up, they could play ''The Boys From The County Hell'', mighty song' Fairytale hasn't got a patch on this one.

On the first day of March it was raining
It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen
I drank ten pints of beer and I cursed all the people there
And I wish that all this raining would stop falling down on me

And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning

At the time I was working for a landlord
And he was the meanest bastard that you have ever seen
And to lose a single penny would grieve him awful sore
And he was a miserable bollocks and a bitch's bastard's whore

And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning

I recall we took care of him one sunday
We got him out the back and we broke his fucking balls
And maybe that was dreaming and maybe that was real
But all I know is I left that place without a penny or fuck all

And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning

But now I've the most charming of verandahs
I sit and watch the junkies, the drunks, the pimps, the whores
Five green bottles sitting on the floor
I wish to christ, I wish to christ
That I had fifteen more

And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning

And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning

The boys and me are drunk and looking for you
We'll eat your frigging entrails and we won't give a damn
Me daddy was a blue shirt and my mother a madam
And my brother earned his medals at mai lei in vietnam

And it's lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning

On the first day of march it was raining
It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen
Stay on the other side of the road
'cause you can never tell
We've a thirst like a gang of devils
We're the boys of the county hell


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,sparticus
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:44 AM

I wish they would leave it off the playlist altogether, along with Slade and Roy Wood and all the rest that they pull out every year at Christmas!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Ruth at work
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:06 AM

"Isn't the word Mick used in this song as a generic description for an Irishman?"

I don't think so...


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Subject: Lyr Add: FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK (The Pogues)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:10 AM

As far as I can see, there is no 'Mick' in the song... see?

It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you

Got on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a feeling
This year's for me and you
So happy Christmas
I love you baby
I can see a better time
When all our dreams come true

They've got cars big as bars
They've got rivers of gold
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the old
When you first took my hand
On a cold Christmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me

You were handsome
You were pretty
Queen of New York City
When the band finished playing
They howled out for more
Sinatra was swinging,
All the drunks they were singing
We kissed on a corner
Then danced through the night

The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day

You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy faggot
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last

I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you
I kept them with me babe
I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
copyright 1988 Shane MacGowan & Jem Finer

LTS


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:20 AM

Well I heard it used in the fashion I described in some song of that ilk.
I am just a confused old man, so can't remember which one. However my point is still valid, the deletion is selective. Especially when the word arse follows soon after the faggot one.
It seems that some PC is more important than other PCs.
G


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:29 AM

I wish they would leave it off the playlist altogether, along with Slade and Roy Wood and all the rest that they pull out every year at Christmas

And every year you always get someone who, never having actually listened to it, hasn't a clue what it's about.

Thanks to LTS for reproducing it (yet again). FTONY describes exactly what happened to the hopes and dreams of Irish (and other) immigrants to the 'land of the free'. It needs to be compulsory listening for all, especially the punks, bums and sluts on junk who walk around in suits at the BBC.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:33 AM

Goik (or should that be 'Jock'?!), I think it's time you had a lie down and took your tablets again...

But you're right, selective deletion is not good.. it should be all or nothing and if you're giving the message that drug taking is OK but being a faggot isn't then it's a bad message.

Besides, what's wrong with being a small bundle of firewood anyway?

LTS


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:13 AM

Or a Savoury Duck come to that.

G.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:16 AM

I read somewhere recently (Radio Times?) that when the song was done live on TOTP, they made Kirsty MacColl sing "ass" instead of "arse". Why this should be considered less offensive, I really can't imagine. And anyway, as with the above examples) the whole point about that verse is that it's supposed to be insulting, and if you remove any offensive terms it kind of misses the point.

I suppose it could be argued that when they censor "faggot", what they're objecting to is its use as a term of abuse - after all, the n-word is banned not because it's not OK to be black, but because it's not OK to make skin colour the focus of an insult.

But I wouldn't be convinced that this is the reason.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:21 AM

Almost any word or name can be used as a term of abuse... the words 'bless you' when said with the right inflection (Whoopi Goldberg in 'Sister Act' for instance) can mean exactly the opposite.

I know that we're supposed to live and learn, and that what was acceptable in the past might not be so now, but in this day and age, is it really necessary to censor so much? If they MUST censor, I'd favour more the removal of the drug references than the use of 'faggot', which is less well known. Heaven forefend that a child should look it up in a dictionary.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,everyone loves christmas
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:46 AM

god people - talk about PC overload, only last week I was reading about a 70 something grandad being fired as Santa for saying "Ho Ho Ho" - what the hekk is wrong with people today!!! Definition of PC - sad old grumpy idiots who have way too much time on their hands...why not ban the word Fairy from the title, I mean HOW OFFENSIVE!!!!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:57 AM

Well good old fair-minded Auntie Beeb at Radio 1 apparently edited out 'slut' too.

Was it the comedy programme 'I'm sorry I haven't a clue' that took totally innocuous songs and, by introducing well timed 'bleeps', created something quite hilariously different


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Brakn
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:08 AM

Radio 1 is probably the one station I will not listen to and I don't think I know anyone who does. It lost it's main audience years ago. The djs are in love with themselves and not the music.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:14 AM

It was Non-Denominational Winter Holiday Eve infant
In the inebriated container
A mature person said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Uncommon Not getting any younger Peak Dew
I turned my countenance away
And dreamed about you


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Ruth still at work
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:14 AM

If they're gonna get tetchy, surely it's the NYPD choir which ought to be edited out, as there's no such thing.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,harrys girls
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:27 AM

I reckon the song should be called the Beep of Beep Beep because I have made a point of editing out all insults in the name of political correctness and it now goes like this...



It was BEEPmas Eve BEEP
In the BEEP tank
A BEEP BEEP said to me, won't see another one
And then he BEEPED a BEEP
The BEEP Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face a BEEP

And BEEPed about BEEP

BEEP I'm on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a BEEPing

This year's for me and you
So happy BEEP BEEP
I BEEP you BEEPby
I can see a better time
When all our BEEPs come true

They've got cars big as BEEPs
They've got rivers of BEEP
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the BEEP

When you first took my BEEP

On a cold BEEPmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me

You were BEEPsome
You were BEEPy
BEEP of New York City
When the band finished playing
They BEEPED up the mall

Sinatra was BEEPing,
All the BEEPs they were BEEPing
We BEEPed on a corner
Then BEEPed through the night

The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For BEEPmas day

You're a BEEP
You're a BEEP
You're an old BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP
BEEPing there almost BEEP on a BEEP in that BEEP
You BEEP BEEP, you BEEP BEEP
You BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP
Happy BEEPmas your BEEP
I pray BEEP it's our last

I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you
I kept them with me BEEP

I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,me again
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:31 AM

Mr Happy - you are a scream, I love it, send that to Radio 1 - PLEASE!!!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Rog Peek
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:02 PM

Can't see what the BBC has against faggots, they're delicios!

Ingredients for faggots

pigs liver 450 gm
onions 2 pc
breadcrumbs 100 gm
suet 75 gm
chopped sage 2 tsp
salt   sq
pepper   sq

How to make faggots

Mince the liver and onions into a mixing bowl, this can be as fine or as coarse to suit your own tastes
Add the breadcrumbs, chopped suet, sage and season with the salt and pepper (it should be quite peppery)
Shape the mixture into small balls, if the mixture is too wet more breadcrumbs should be added
Place onto a greased oven tin and bake in moderate oven for about 30 minutes
Remove faggots and add boiling water and a little flour to the tin to make gravy.

Rog


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: gnomad
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:20 PM

Radio 4 have just reported that radio 1 have just reversed their decision.

I am not fond of this record (prefer other versions) but I approve the reversal.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:24 PM

I thought it was a gay song with that whole "Queen of New York" thing going on but I can't see anything wrong with calling someone a bundle of sticks!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:25 PM

Yes, Andy Parfitt having listened to the track has decided it's not homophobic after all. Which it isn't.
Is there another version of FTONY?
Could anyone other than MacGowan/MacColl do it?


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:40 PM

Errrr...Christy Moore has recorded it. (On the CD Live at the Point).

I didn't have the Pogue's version anyway.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:47 PM

According to Wikipedia, Cait O'Riordan was originally intended to sing the female part but left the Pogues before the song was completed. I could imagine her doing a good job.

How about Cliff Richard/Kate Rusby?


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:09 PM

I was thinking more..... Elton John!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:20 PM

There are numerous cover versions, several of which involve self-censorship by the musicians concerned.

There are two plausible candidates for the worst version.

1) The blessed St Ronan of Keating's offering changed 'cheap lousy faggot' to 'you're cheap and you're haggard' and his accomplice in the crime was Máire (aka Moya) Brennan of Clannad. It sold like lead courgettes.

2) The Irish Tenors' rendition omitted the crucial verse concerned, all in the interest of maintaining the trio's clean-living, chicken-in-a-basket and send-them-home-to-their-mums-in-clean-underwear audience.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:31 PM

I'd be happy if they banned it altogether. The worst record ever made. In my humble opinion.   :-)


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: MuddleC
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:38 PM

I think that the final word must rest with the Catholic Church..
and their Craggy Island spokesman,err, spokespriest?
'Father Jack, what do you think about dis sorta ting?'
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Arse!...Feck!...Gurls!...Drink!"


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: skarpi
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:47 PM

beeb,beeb,beeb,beeb,beeb.

beeb,beeb,beeb,

beeb

beeb, beeb ,beebed,beed,beebeds.

beeb, beeb ,


.beeb.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: jacqui.c
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:49 PM

I love the song but, having heard it done by a couple of other performers must say that the only version I like is the Pogues and Kirsty.

Terrific tune, whatever the words.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: s&r
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 03:33 PM

They've withdrawn the censorship on the grounds that the audience have sufficient wisdom to realise that the words will not cause offence in context... or something like that.

Stu


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Tootler
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:13 PM

They've withdrawn the censorship on the grounds that the audience have sufficient wisdom to realise that the words will not cause offence in context... or something like that.

Or:

They've demonstrated that they are a bunch of complete pillocks and are trying to save face.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: CET
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:52 PM

Something my cat coughed up on the rug could sing it better than Shane McGowan. I listened to a few seconds of the You Tube video, and was beginning to feel ill and had to turn it off so I never got to hear Kirsty MacColl. Great song, though.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:49 PM

I like Shane's songs. They seem to me, very poetic.

I remember years ago Karl Dallas wondering in print in the Melody Maker, why the Irish were so keen to embrace the national stereotypes in folksong; at the very time the American black people were turning their backs on blues songs, with their crude racial stereotypes.

Either way, you could pick a hole in Bottle of Smoke or Fairytale of New York - every line of them - for just those faults. Surely you accept it, in its totality, or not at all.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 03:35 AM

I actually like Kristy Moore's rendition of the song.
The man has talent and the song is relevant to my younger years in Australia & Canada.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Wayne
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 06:08 AM

For me, Shane MacGowan's voice may be ragged & harsh but it is also soulful and heartfelt. His version of She Moved Through The Fair is by far my favourite. Fairytale has become a bit of a Christmas cliche but it remains a superlative song. Indeed, I reckon that Shane is one of the best songwriters of the last thirty years. But then, I like Gilbert O'Sullivan so what do I know?


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:08 AM

Now then, this has got me worried! every year on New Years eve, in our household, we burn the ashen Faggot!
Oh F*!K are we going to be raided by the PC police for this? One year we piped the faggot in and the vicar blessed it before we burned it!
I'm going straight to hell methinks!
Please somebody get a grip!
Stop the world I want to get off!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:38 AM

The Mick reference I mistakenly attributed to this song, is in Missing You by Christy Moore, a song with similar sentiments.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,clockwatcher
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:44 AM

... and if we're going to reclaim the word 'faggot' (a bundle of firewood or a tasty meat dish), then perhaps we can reclaim 'gay' as well. Most poofters seem to be as gloomy as the rest of us.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:51 AM

When I was a kid in the North East of England and I, or someone else, was referred to as a "faggot" it meant that they were a source of annoyance or irritation. It was many years later that I learned that in USA it was a term used to describe a homosexual.
Anyway I think that it is a great song (for life not just for Christmas)and Christy Moore just edges it over the Pogues and Kirsty.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:52 AM

roflmao


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: NormanD
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:19 AM

GUEST: clockwatcher

"Most poofters seem to be as gloomy as the rest of us"

Cut it out, whoever you are. You can make the joke without using another term of abuse. Or maybe using the term of abuse was the point of your post.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:20 AM

Aw come on pal, develop a sense of humour for fucks sake.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:24 AM

So I said to ths girl in the pub -"I suppose a Savoury duck's out of the qestion?"


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:27 AM

Homophobia is far from funny. It's ignorant, dangerous and distasteful.
As is slinging abuse at Shane MacGowan, who, however you might consider his behaviour, is undeniably a highly talented songwriter whose work (+ Jem Finer in this case) was unfairly judged by a radio station that has redeemed itself.
End of drama.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:29 AM

. . . and idiotic sniggering of an apparently heterosexual nature is equally inappropriate and distasteful.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:32 AM

I have gay friends who would piss themselves laughing at that silly wee joke.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,machree01
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:43 AM

Diane here's Christy Moore's Version.
         http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=GLqGE3C0yTQ


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:48 AM

Yes, thank you. I have heard it. In fact I have it on CD.
Christy Moore has covered a number of Shane MacGowan's songs.
The point being?
I am far more interested in getting outta here, from the cesspit of puerile, inane blokishness to which this thread has deteriorated,


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:57 AM

Byeeeeeeeeeeee


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:58 AM

savoury duck....that's a Lancashire thing, isn't it? sort of cross between a haselet and a faggot. I haven't heard about them for ages, much less seen one.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:00 AM

By the way, isn't that the Penguin Cafe Orchestra on the MFI advert?


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:11 AM

Just listened to the Christy Moore version - he's a fine singer but it's the interaction between Kirsty McColl and Shane McGowan that really makes the Pogues version number 1 for me!

btw - does it really say Fairytale of New York - The POPES & Shane McGowan Dublin, 06 on youtube??? LOL!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:19 AM

Thanks for the youtube link. I haven't heard Christy Moore sing that song before so I've really enjoyed listening to it - just wish his mouth was moving in time to the words on that video!

I'm a Shane MacGowan fan, a Christy Moore fan and a Kirsty MacColl fan so I like both versions but Shane MacGowan wins!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:24 AM

Here's Shane + Popes + his mum.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Rog Peek
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:34 AM

In my opinion, Shane McGowan has written some great songs, of which this is one. I've not heard it done better than the version which features himself and Kirsty McColl, after all, if you were looking for someone to sing the part of a drunk who found himself in the drunk tank on Christmas Eve, then he would surely be your man.

Rog


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:35 AM

'weelittledrummer' - that's what I thought.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Brakn
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:55 AM

re MFI

Previous thread.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Barnacle (at work)
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 11:22 AM

It's one of my favourite all-time songs. Not just for Christmas. Shane McGowan has written some fine words and interprets them well. I do not think that any of the words in "Fairytale" were done for cheap effect, they make a strong statement and, BBC or not, my son and I will still sing it together when we are out shopping in the festive season. It does tend to keep the crowds away!!! Anyway, even the BEEB has seen the folly of its actions. Good sense prevails!!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: NormanD
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 11:34 AM

Someone above told me:
"Aw come on pal, develop a sense of humour for fucks sake."

Like I've never had that demand aggressively thrust at me before.

Since writing my post above I'm pleased to tell you that I have developed a sense of humour. And you know what? That joke's still not funny.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 11:40 AM

I don't find The Office funny either.
Perhaps that's because it makes jokes about, and lampoons a minority.
i.e. The socially inept.
This of course proves nothing, except that different people laugh at different things, with some people even having the facility to be able to laugh at themselves.
Not as rare as it would at first appear.
G


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 12:06 PM

It was 'I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again' which had fun in the '60's beeping out the lyrics of popular songs. I can remember 'It's Not Unusual' (to have 'beep' with anyone), and 'Jake The Peg (with the extra 'beep').

Like so much in that programme, (and indeed like me), it was puerile, potentially offensive and has not stood the test of time, but you had to be there. I can remember an entire pub bar emptying for half an hour so that people could sit in their cars and listen to it. I don't think the landlord ever quite realised what was going on.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Homerssohn
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 12:17 PM

To paraphrase Mr Kahn:

I ain't afraid of the swearing
I ain't afraid of the banter
I ain't afraid of the teasing
I'm afraid of the self-righteous protecting my rights.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: NormanD
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 12:21 PM

'Giok' - it's not about this or that particular joke, it's about using the word "poofter" to get a laugh, or calling somebody that. That is just plain insulting.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,sparticus
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 12:28 PM

At least it keeps Shane in beer money for the festive season. Wish he'd spend some of it at the dentist. The Tooth Fairy Tale of New York could well be a follow up.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 01:39 PM

MTV UK's music channels VH1 UK and TMF UK have also censored the video for 2007, removing not only the words "faggot" and "slut", but also "arse", despite non-MTV owned music channels playing it uncut. (excluding the BBC, of course!!)


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 03:32 PM

I'm wondering what it the BBC has against a bundle of twigs, which is, after all, what a faggot is.... :-P


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: goatfell
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 06:57 PM

where I come from a FAGGOT is some meat dish, like meatballs. So why is that offencive to Gays, I mean this is Britian and NOT AMERICA.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Brendy
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 07:10 PM

The 'character' being called a faggot 'seems' openly hetro, IMO.
... unless there is some subtext we're missing out on....

It was heading for number 1 in the download charts, last time I looked

B.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 07:18 PM

No point in getting worked up about it. I think this is pretty obviously a publicity stunt by BBC 1, to remind people it exists.

And I think the truth of that has been demonstrated by what happened next: BBC backs down on plan to censor 'Fairytale of New York'


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 07:25 AM

Just caught up, apparently the ban has been lifted, according to the BBC website.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 08:16 AM

.... good news; I'll be able to sing one of my favourite songs again, without leaving out the line:

"See the faggot with the earing and the makeup, yea buddy that's his own hair"

... save us from the censorship police


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 09:02 AM

I always thought it was because the BBC didn't want to upset its board of directors :-)


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 09:12 AM

I wonder if 'Guest'(9.02am) has taken in the original date of this post?
But I wonder even more why I am looking at the Mudcat Forum at 2pm on Christmas Day.
Any road up (or 'anyway' for our American readers) Fairy Tale Of New York has been played uncensored on the BBC and everywhere else for many years now, to the great enjoymanet of all.
And long may it be so.
Merry Christmas to all!


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 09:13 AM

Enjoymanet = enjoyment
- Typo Police.


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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 09:55 AM

Are they going to bleep out "fairy" also?

Dave Oesterreich


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