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Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation

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Subject: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 06:01 PM

Sorry but lost track of the thread where talk was of Kate Rusby singing this song and I do not know if...I think it was Roger? somebody found the track through the radio.......or even if it has been found on YouTube or elsewhere.....However here is a link to the You Tube presentation of Kate Rusby singing The Village Green Preservation Society.
Best wishes, Mike.

Kate Rusby....The Village Green Preservation Society


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 06:10 PM

And here's where you can get the recording

Kate Rusby's album Awkward Annie
11 tracks plus a bonus track, (Village green preservation Society recorded for Jam and Jerusalem, BBCTV).

Track list

1. Awkward Annie 3.14
2. Bitter Boy 4.54
3. John Barbury 5.42
4. High On A Hill 4.30
5. Farewell 5.30
6. Planets 4.10
7. The Old Man 3.49
8. Andrew Lammie 3.54
9. Streams Of Nancy 3.57
10. Daughter Of Heaven 3.56
11. Blooming Heather 4.44

Bonus Track
12. The Village Green Preservation Society 3.17

Charlotte (part of The Village Green Preservation Society)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: The Villan
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 06:48 PM

Its been on my website together with the Kinks version for ages Mike
http://www.faldingworthlive.co.uk/folk_music.htm
Scroll down to the bottom of the list


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 08:46 PM

Track Four - "High on A Hill" that's not "High on a hill stood a lonely goatherd tra la la la la la la la lee" is it?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 07:30 PM

Ok let's count how many men post to this...!!!

Kate Rusby = pounding heart!

Sal


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 07:35 PM

Track 9 Blooming Heather. That a Macca song?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 07:39 PM

Oh shit. I mean Track 11.
As for 9, that would be lovely Nancy? Ah no, perhaps not.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 02:56 PM

They interviewed Ray Davies on a show called "Q" on CBC Radio in Canada and played the Village Green Preservation Society.
I guess he is over here pushing a new CD, I didn't know he was still performing.
Small World, JohnB


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 03:16 PM

she's in hull tonight.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 03:44 PM

"They interviewed Ray Davies on a show called "Q" on CBC Radio in Canada and played the Village Green Preservation Society.
I guess he is over here pushing a new CD, I didn't know he was still performing."

Oh yes he's alive and well..if you take a look on You Tube there's a number of videos of R Davies performing at the BBC Electric Proms, last year (2007).

The powers that be have finally released RD's Working Man's Cafe in North America, and he's out there plugging it

Charlotte (not a dedicated follower of fashion)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: KeithofChester
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 06:58 AM

A musical Easter egg

Working Man's Cafe


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: harpmolly
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 11:59 PM

Folkiedave: I would LOVE to hear Kate sing "The Lonely Goatherd". ;) I think it'd be hilarious, especially with her accent. Unfortunately she's probably a bit too mezzo to pull it off, but I still think it'd be a complete gas. Maybe she'll put it on that children's album we told her she should record ages ago. ;)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Mick Woods
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 03:41 AM

She sounds like a reject from Coronation Street!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 04:19 AM

Wrong county, Mick. Come back when you can tell the difference.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 04:38 AM

She didn't get the part in Emmerdale either.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Folkiedave
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 04:43 AM

No, but they played June Tabor.......


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 12:41 PM

Anyone seen this tour?
Wondered how Anna Massie fits in?
Well, I'd imagine.
I was pleased to see there was another woman in the band, but interested to hear people's views.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 07:14 PM

Just thought I'd add to the man count. Well, OK wimp then.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,Chaz Brewer
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 11:32 AM

Good on yer mate, me too!!!

CB


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 03:15 PM

I'm going to Peterbro tonight, I'll let you know!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 05:50 AM

Does anyone know what she's singing in the outro?
Sounds like "Oo, the lucky man" but that doesn't make much sense.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 07:39 AM

Ok Ok I love her music but then I love The Dales and Ripon and Fountains Abby and a ton of other treasures from Yorkshire .Oh yes I am male . You can add me to that count as well .. All the best , Guy


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 05:18 AM

Still can't see many women in here!

lol

Sal


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: RamblinStu
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 03:47 AM

And could it be that Mike Harding is using so many aliases?

Tee hee


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 12 - 03:07 PM

Is it just me??????????????????????????/
This song needs a serious punk versiown


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 23 May 12 - 01:53 PM

GUEST wrote

"Is it just me??????????????????????????/
This song needs a serious punk versiown "

If that's so, then why stop there? How about "serious punk versions" of "My Favourite Things", "Nessun Dorma", Beethoven's 5th ...?

Seriously though, it amazes me that so many music fans (and music journalists)of a certain age remain so nostalgic about the punk era. Punk was absolutely of its moment, and that moment is long gone.

Of course, many people are nostalgic about other dated musical genres - music hall,trad jazz, big-band swing, skiffle, rockabilly, etc. They all had roots going back into the past, and branches reaching forward into the future. "Village Green Preservation Society" embodies the longing for continuity which underlies these (and many other) expressions of nostalgia. But punk was actively anti-nostalgic.

Nostalgia (along with history, heritage,and the past in general)was something that punks wanted to stomp into the ground and then puke over. They weren't trying to celebrate or connect with the past, but to deface and destroy it. So it seems paradoxical for people to get all misty-eyed now about the glory days of 1976, and the wonderful musical heritage which those heroic pioneers have given us to cherish for posterity.

If you want to be a nihilist, why not be a 21st century nihilist, rather than a nostalgic cheerleader for the nihilists of yesteryear?

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,SRD
Date: 23 May 12 - 05:38 PM

'"Village Green Preservation Society" embodies the longing for continuity' or was an ironic comment on the Brits longing for a rose tinted past.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 May 12 - 05:49 PM

just so's you know..

GUEST Date: 22 May 12 - 03:07 PM wasn't me ...

I've not cared to listen to "Village Green Preservation Society" LP
since I bought it back around 1980.

It struck me as over rated and a bit dull,
so no way would I ever be bothered 'punking up' any of it...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST
Date: 24 May 12 - 05:26 AM

I'm going to take considerable issue with Mike's post above (sorry, Mike!)

"It amazes me that so many music fans (and music journalists)of a certain age remain so nostalgic about the punk era. Punk was absolutely of its moment, and that moment is long gone.

Punk was 'of the moment', but equally it's didn't exist in a vacuum. It had antecedants going way back: the feral southern hillbillies with their raw early rock and roll; garage rock from the Kingsmen's Louie Louie to the 13th Floor Elevators' 'You're Gonna Miss Me' to every trash rock 45 in between; the likes of the Velvet Underground, the Stooges and the Modern Lovers. In the UK, it was also influenced by elements of glam rock and by the pub rockers like Dr Feelgood.

If you (like me) had been 14 when punk hit, you too might have fond memeories of great records by the Adverts and the Clash and Subway Sect and the Pistols and countless others. You too, like me, might still play and love those records.

There was a lot of 'year zero' posturing, but why not? The bands were young, loud and snotty and wanted to distance themselves from the turgid soft rock and increasingly grandiose cocaine-driven megalomania that was prevalent at the time. That tendency has always existed in rock music, which has had to re-invent itself numerous times to keep from going stale.

"Village Green Preservation Society" embodies the longing for continuity which underlies these (and many other) expressions of nostalgia.

No it doesn't. It is an unapologetic sideswipe at all that. At his best, Ray Davies was a scathingly sharp songwriter and a great punk precursor. Hopefully Kate Rusby knows that. I suspect the makers of Jam and Jerusalem don't. And I don't 'get' Kate's version at all, but luckily it's such a good song that it would take a lot more saccharine than Kate gives it to ruin it...

Nostalgia (along with history, heritage,and the past in general)was something that punks wanted to stomp into the ground and then puke over. They weren't trying to celebrate or connect with the past, but to deface and destroy it.

Again, there was an element of that - but the best of the punk musicians knew their music history and their influences, and would readily acknowledge them. The position you're putting across was true (to an extent) for about five minutes.

So it seems paradoxical for people to get all misty-eyed now about the glory days of 1976, and the wonderful musical heritage which those heroic pioneers have given us to cherish for posterity

It's one of the most vibrant periods of rock history. The thing is that not only were there some great records, but punk, with it's democratising aversion to muso noodling suggested that anyone could have a go, and also ushered in a huge peak in the sort of independent DIY recordings we take for granted now (The Desperate Bicycles on releasing a single: It was easy. Now go and do it...)

If you want to be a nihilist, why not be a 21st century nihilist, rather than a nostalgic cheerleader for the nihilists of yesteryear?

There was far, far more to punk than nihilism. There was also humour, politics, energy and some great songs...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 24 May 12 - 05:29 AM

Me above...

By the way...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 May 12 - 07:22 AM

splendid potted history of our long distant youth Spleen...

I was 18 in 1977..

We sensed some kind of positive cultural shift was evolving since as early as about 1975..

Punk was about intelligent progressive possibilities, not rigid orthodoxies..

It was never about strictly adhered codified uniform dress style and restrictive musical conventions..

..at least not until tabloid press and unimaginative cretinous fashion following dullwits
clambered aboard the money spinning bandwagon..


and as dull & self regardingly 'clever' as the Kinks had become with "Village Green Preservation"

early Kinks singles were revered along with the Who as direct antecedents of the adrenaline fueled music
that has since become most associated with late 70s era highly charged youthful punk ethos...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 24 May 12 - 12:42 PM

PFR & SC - thanks for the enlightening comments.

Just to be clear - I never thought that punk was ALL bad - The Clash and The Jam, for example, clearly had something important to say, and said it effectively. But the Sex Pistols? Malcolm Maclaren and Vivienne Westwood must have laughed all the way to the bank!

And as regards the observation that

"Punk was about intelligent progressive possibilities, not rigid orthodoxies.. It was never about strictly adhered codified uniform dress style and restrictive musical conventions..."

Well, it may have been like that for insiders, but the "codified uniform dress style and restrictive musical conventions" seemed very dominant if one was on the outside.

Still, let's look on the bright side - look what it did for the safety-pin industry.

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 24 May 12 - 02:16 PM

Interestingly, John Lydon nee Rotten describes himself as a 'folk singer'. I don't think he's being entirely tongue in cheek, either! As Ian Anderson has noted elsewhere, it would be great to hear him wrap his tonsils round something like Long Larkin!

Still, let's look on the bright side - look what it did for the safety-pin industry

Nice one!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,punfolkrocker
Date: 24 May 12 - 07:58 PM

In essence, for me, the mighty empowering fundamental guiding words at the core of 'Punk/New Wave Ethos'
were - and still are -

skepticism

iconoclasm

irreverence

autonomy

electric guitar

cider


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: michaelr
Date: 24 May 12 - 09:02 PM

The main thing that struck me about punk at the time (I was 23 in '78) was that many of the protagonists were absolute crap at their instruments. At least KR surrounds herself with stellar players.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 25 May 12 - 05:42 AM

many of the protagonists were absolute crap at their instruments

One of the best things about punk was the refusal of the idea that to make music you had to be a technically expert musician. The ideology was neatly summed up by Sideburns Fanzine in '76: "This is a chord, this is another, this is a third. Now form a band.". How democratising is that? The complete antithesis to muso snobbery and exclusivity.* Perhaps something that the folk scene should embrace, especially as (in the UK at least) it becomes increasingly dominated by virtuoso technicians?

The real flowering of this approach, of course, came in the years after punk with the explosion of the DIY scene, which is being obsessively catalogued by the Hyped2Death label with their wonderful Messthetics series of CDs, which takes me right back to listening to the Peel show as a teenager...

* The irony is, of course, that there were plenty of accomplished musicians in and around the punk scene.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby...Village Green Preservation
From: GUEST,a dilliown
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 02:38 PM

gosh m o n'umbria gives me such pleasure, i will provide the oral you supply the jam


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