BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.

Subject: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 11:55 AM

Forensically, that is.

Fourth right foot washes up near Vancouver, RCMP confirm
May 24, 2008

(CBC) Another right foot wearing a sock and sneaker was discovered washed ashore near Vancouver, the RCMP confirmed Friday.

The foot is the fourth right foot wearing a sock and a running shoe to wash up in the area in less than a year.....

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/05/22/bc-severed-foot-richmond.html


What the HECK is going on?!?!?!?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:00 PM

"The foot is the fourth right foot wearing a sock and a running shoe to wash up in the area in less than a year....."

Where is Sherlock Holmes when ya REALLY need him.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:01 PM

I just read that a sixth washed up. Wonder if it connected to the young college students who have been disappearing - somehoe connected to a cult.
M

Subject: Lyr Add
From: pdq
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:18 PM

I Hold Your Hand In Mine ~ Tom Lehrer

I hold your hand in mine, dear,
I press it to my lips.
I take a healthy bite
From your dainty fingertips.

My joy would be complete, dear,
If you were only here,
But still I keep your hand
As a precious souvenir.

The night you died I cut it off.
I really don't know why.
For now each time I kiss it
I get bloodstains on my tie.

I'm sorry now I killed you,
For our love was something fine,
And till they come to get me
I shall hold your hand in mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:24 PM

Well, it may be macabre to mention it but any corpse(s) shouldn't be difficult to identify...

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From: Becca72
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:44 PM

Shark practical jokes?

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From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:46 PM

Maybe a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:50 PM

It's just a way that the military has of teaching soldiers the difference between their left and right feet.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:53 PM

This is being VERY interesting. Apparently the dna doesn't match the people who weren't recovered after the latest plane crash - and one of the right feet was a hoax. And they aren't saying if the one left foot (well, I guess they were all left, even the right ones) has a shoe that matches any of the right feet...

So what is the theory, here, that after you decompose enough for your pieces to fall off, if you have sneakers, they float? Should people be told to wear sneakers when flying over water? I found this whole thing FASCINATING.

And I have a pathologist friend I'll see tonight who was just in Vancouver... maybe he knows more...

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 12:56 PM

The sixth, as has been discussed ont he other thread on this issue (Random Traces from All Over) turned out to be a skeletal animal paw shoved into a sock and a running shoe by some joker.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 01:06 PM

OK, let's solve it by process of elimination.

None of the feet are mine, nor do they belong to anyone I know. We can make a database of people these do not belong to, and then whoever is not in the DB, that's whose missing them. A result of leaving them in their mouths too long, or up their asses?

I know it isn't really funny. It's just so ODD that funny seems to be the only way to approach thinking about it along the way to seriousness.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 01:12 PM

We know there are at least four bodies missing their right feet. There is a strong probability the bodies are dead. They may or may not be missing their left feet or other parts as well, but we can't tell for sure. No reports have been relayed of bodies found missing said feet.

I am reminded of variosu forms of ritual punishment in primitive societies such as cutting off one hand of someone who steals. Is it possible these are from tourists who didn't know the taboos of some isolated tribe in the Northwest, and had their feet cut off for crimes against society?

I suppose it could be a Polish kidnapping scheme...did the feet have notes attached to them?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 01:31 PM

Lots more needs to be known. For example, were the feet hacked off, as with an axe, sawn off, of "dissected" off? It should be possible to make an educated guess at height and age; sex can be determined by a quick genetic test of course. The shoes themselves, by wear patterns and brands, might give insight into the foot's economic status and possibly even supply clues as to where it's been.

Don't have enough information right now....

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 01:32 PM

Didn't Nancy Sinatra do a song about this stuff?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 01:41 PM

Seaweed, fish, feet... good fertilzer for the garden. Great for the tomatoes.

Yes, it is spelt that way, just like spelt.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Bee
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 02:12 PM

The feet were not hacked off, and appear to have detached from their bodies by natural decomposition, and yes, float because they are in shoes. The shoes also protect them somewhat from scavengers.

Apparently, left feet and right feet have enough difference in weight balance that they commonly float in different directions.

I have not seen anywhere that the plane crash victims from a couple years ago had been eliminated by DNA tests.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 02:14 PM

That was in today's news. I'll try to find the link again.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 03:29 PM

Could this be A Sign that Canada should give up on the metric system? That "feet" are "right"?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 03:55 PM

Well, the Canadian Globe and Mail at least dared crack a joke - or was it accidental?

"...Police and coroners' officials have been stumped by the mystery of where the feet came from or whether they are linked." (Globandmail.com, 16th June 2008)

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Bee
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 04:32 PM

If they aren't from the plane crash, I really hope they aren't from the dumped bodies of those missing young men that have been in the news recently (half a dozen young, not connected with crime, not likely to never contact family, guys are missing over the last few years).

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: heric
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 05:42 PM

If you look at Kirkland Island on a map it seems pretty high up the delta. I'm surprised there was no commentary about the probability that it came down the river.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 12:30 PM

OK, talked to my pathologist friend, who just came back from Vancouver, and nobody at his conference was talking about the feet. However, he has cronies up there, and will be checking into it for me (us).

Meanwhile, here is the link to It Isn't The Lost Plane Crash Victims.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 12:31 PM

Meanwhile, ignoramus me, what is Feets Don't Fail Me Now from - GWTW?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: GUEST,From The CBC
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 12:37 PM

A prankster is responsible for a sixth foot that washed on British Columbia shores, a hoax that raised fears among the families of missing persons and prompted the RCMP to launch a separate investigation.


The B.C. Coroner's Service said Thursday and RCMP confirmed that the foot found on a Vancouver Island beach the day before was not human, but in fact a skeletonised animal paw stuffed inside a sock and a running shoe

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 01:27 PM

Guest:

That news was posted up hread some time back.

"Feets -- don't fail me now!" is from a popular cartoon series of the 40's and 50's. It originally came from a Bob Hope movie.

""THE GHOST BREAKERS, 1940, directed by George Marshall, screenplay by Walter De Leon, from the play by Paul Dickey and Charles W. Goddard. Starring Bob Hope, Paulette Goddard, Richard Carlson, Willie Best, and Anthony Quinn.

Bob Hope stars as a radio broadcaster on the run from the mob who flees to an island off Cuba with heiress Paulette Goddard and his butler/ Òfamily detainer,Ó played by the unforgettable Willie Best, only to come up against ghosts and zombies galore. Plenty of silliness and lots of HopeÕs trademark one-liners, but the most memorable one is spoken by Best, ÒFeets, donÕt fail me now!Ó"

The phrase acquired overtones of racist stereotyping because of Best, who played a huge numbr of roles as an African-Ameican sterotype, including the elevator operator on "My Little Margie" inter alia.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 04:14 PM

Mrrzy I thought I'd get some good mileage out of this talking to people up there. They didn't know what I was talking about and then remembered. "Yeah, weird" they say. . . .

Some kind of experts ruled out China, I was told.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Def Shepard
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 04:30 PM

FEETS DON'T FAIL ME NOW
(Paul Barrere / Lowell George / Fred Martin)

the title track of the record by Little Feat

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 04:35 PM

It was also a well-received jazz album. But these are both much later.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Def Shepard
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 04:41 PM

No matter to me how soon or how later, the very fact is both albums and the song with that title exist

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Def Shepard
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 04:48 PM

Actually in the case of Little Feat, they punned the phrase by calling the album Feats Don't Fail Me Now, but that's by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 06:36 PM

China?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Bee
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 06:38 PM

Thanks for the link, Mrrzy.

So, not the plane crash victims, not over-boarded Chinese would-be immigrants, and probably all men. Also, detached naturally, not cut off. I think someone may be dumping bodies out to sea.

I was a little weirded out by the report in the Van.Sun article where the plane crash victim's family rushed to the beach when they heard another foot (which turned out to be a hoax) had been found (before the DNA results, presumably). Maybe it's just me, but if I thought my relative's foot had washed ashore, I'd be waiting for the police to advise me if it was likely related.

And I bet that craig's list poster is gonna have to answer a few questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 07:00 PM

Do we know whether the feet belonged to white people? And are any boat people headed that way anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 09:22 PM

DNA should help. Now it sounds like someone dumping bodies.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 10:51 PM

British Columbia seems to attract its share of socio-paths.

First we have a farmer feeding prostitutes to pigs.

Now we have human feet washing ashore.

My guess is that these feet might belong to the young men who have gone missing without a trace. I think we have another sociopath on the loose. I'm astounded that the police cannot connect the seemingly separate events.

I feel so sorry for the families of the missing men. It must be absolutely heartbreaking to have your son disappear.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: SharonA
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 03:11 AM

*macabre humor alert*

Perhaps the culprit is a serial killer of dancers.... After all, they haven't found two left feet.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Nick
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 04:48 AM

Could it be an advertising teaser campaign for running shoes? Nike or Adidas or someone. Perhaps something along the lines of "Get there first with .... Our shoes are so good that not only will they get you to your destination before the crowd but they'll even get there before the rest of you"

There will probably be a TV campaign with group of athletes with a different sort of shoe on the other foot.

My other thought was that my son grew an extra foot between the time he was 12 and 16. Could it perhaps be nature's way of getting rid of them?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 07:59 AM

The feet are simply a form of radical protest on the part of a few Canadians who are still angry about their country's changeover to the metric system. They're a way to bring the foot, not the metre, to the forefront of national attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 11:56 AM

I've got a water metre in the front of the house. Am I metric?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 07:27 PM

Coroners Service of British Columbia has failed to match DNA samples collected from members of the crash victims' families with DNA obtained from some of the mystery feet.
www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=597081

One of the crash victims bodies was recovered, so five feet is one too many in any case.

A CNN report said four of the feet were right, but the fifth was a left foot.
www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/17/canada.feet/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Jun 08 - 10:07 AM

And they aren't matching any of the missing persons, either, in today's news! This is getting VERY strange.

Do the nautical amongst us know anything about the currents thereabouts?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jun 08 - 10:22 AM

It's also a line from Edwin Starr's version of "25 Miles".

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 09:14 AM

I was waiting for this to turn into a music thread.

Song challenge?

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Bee
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 11:09 AM

Re currents: CBC had a short special report on the case, and talked to a current expert in Seattle as well as the BC forensics guy and the police chief - and the couple who found the first foot.

The currents guy said while they could have come from anywhere, down the Fraser River would be his first guess, given where they have washed up. He also said when he has found feet in shoes washed ashore (more common than one would think, apparently), they can often trace the shoe/sneaker to the actual store it came from (serial number on tongue - who knew?), which narrows things down some. The police and forensics guy are not really very forthcoming, understandably, but said DNA retrieved from the first three don't match any missing persons they've been able to check yet. It was noted that decomposition in water made it likely the first foot showed up not much more than a month after the death of the person, which gives a rough estimate on what missing persons it might be.

At one point it was mentioned the number of people who jump off bridges every year in BC - a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 11:15 AM

What a terrible thing to suggest, Mrrzy

When I'm cast out from this world of hate
Please lay me down in the Georgia Strait

Send me there with my walking shoes on
Float me gently down in my Adidas Rom

I'll swim with the fishes in the deep blue sea
And I'll run with the sockeye as my family

When the Fraser's full and the tide's not low
I'll run with the grunion and the silver coho

If you see my sneakers won't you think of me
Cause I'm running up the river back to Agassiz

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From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 11:17 AM

(black humor alert)

Nike Tagline: Just Do It (thanks Bee)

(I did warn you)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 06:48 PM

LOL to both of you!

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 08:18 PM

These shoes were made for floatin, and that's just what they'll do,
One day they're gonna float away, and leave the rest of you...

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 11:20 PM

They were all riding horses on the beach, fell off, got dragged, and pulled off their right feet. Too embarrassed to tell anyone.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Feets Don't Fail Me Now.... Eeeeew.
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 11:31 PM

I been walking
On the strand
Losing hair, Forgettin; how t stand.
As my fires
Start turning cold
And the rest me, well it just starts gettin' old.

It's gone away
Like yesterday!
My left Nike, with my foot inside,
And I'm limping toward the crest line,
Beyond the great Divide.