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Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico

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Subject: Origins: Anyone know this song?
From: Packer
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 05:51 PM

Somewhere back in the Folks Days a group sang a song called "Angelico". Kind of a calypso tune. I don't remember the group though?

The chorus of the song was this:

Angelico....Angelico.....Mama's gotta take you back!
Angelico....Angelico....teach you all the things you lack

One verse was:

I'm working my fingers to the bone
Mamma's gotta take you back!
You think we can make it on love alone...
Mamma's gotta take you back!

Does anyone remember this song and if so...do you have all the lyrics?

Thanks folks


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Subject: RE: Origins: Anyone know this song?
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 06:21 PM

Mama's going to take you back
To teach you all the things you lack
When she sends you back to me
We're going to live together in harmony.

Someone will know this one.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Anyone know this song?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 06:34 PM

Would it have been the crew that sang Michael Row The Boat Ashore? (The Highwaymen, I think they were called...?) It was all guys, wasn't it? I had totally forgotten that this song ever existed, but now you remind me, I can hear the melody and male voices singing it in harmony. It's going to bother me all night now ...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Anyone know this song?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 06:35 PM

Or Harry Belafonte with a backing harmony quartet?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Anyone know this song?
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 07:13 PM

Bonnie - you are good. Belafonte. And the Brothers Four,
Copyright protected but here is a link toe the lyrics.
Angelique-o
http://www.akh.se/harbel/lyrics/angeliqueo.htm


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Subject: Lyr Add: ANGELIQUE-O
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 07:36 PM

Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Mama's got to take you back,
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Teach you all the things you lack.
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Mama's got to take you back,
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Teach you all the things you lack.

Well, you never got time to sweep the dirt
Mama's got to take you back,
And you never got time to wash a shirt,
Mama's got to take you back,
You never got time to cook and peel
Mama's got to take you back,
Well, you think you can make it on sex appeal
Mama's got to take you back.

Mama's got to take you back,
Teach you all the things you lack,
When she bring her back to me
We'll live together in harmony.

Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Mama's got to take you back,
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Teach you all the things you lack.
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Mama's got to take you back,
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Teach you all the things you lack.

Oh well, you never learn how to cook a stew
Mama's got to take you back,
And your biscuits, Lord, I can hardly chew,
Mama's got to take you back,
These clothes I'm wearing they're full of holes
Mama's got to take you back,
While you run around in a big mink stole,
Mama's got to take you back,

Mama's got to take you back,
Teach you all the things you lack,
When she brings her back to me
We'll live together in harmony.

Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Mama's got to take you back,
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Teach you all the things you lack
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Mama's got to take you back,
Angelique-O, Angelique-O,
Teach you all the things you lack,

Teach you all the things you lack,
Mama's got to take you back...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Anyone know this song?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 07:37 PM

Bud and Travis recorded Angelique-o on one of their audience recorded (live) albums, I think. It may be on a studio album, but they did record it, interspersing French lyrics into the song. It is very frenentic, and very good.

One thing about Belafonte (and I do love most of his calypsos) is that most have earlier roots from other Calypso singers. And they are sanitized and prettified for popular taste. Exceptions come to mind, such as Island in the Sun.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:40 AM

ASCAP says ANGELIQUE O was written by William Attaway and Irving Burgie (some sources say Iain Burgess?a pseudonym, perhaps?). Those are the same guys whose names are attached to DAY O (THE BANANA BOAT SONG) and many other calypso-style songs.

Allmusic.com says it was recorded by Harry Belafonte, The Brothers Four, and Lou Monte.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 12:43 PM

Irving Burgie also wrote "Island in the Sun," mentioned above. A New Yorker with roots in Barbados; he wrote their national anthem (In Plenty and in Time of Need).
He collaborated with Attaway on several songs, see sites mentioned by Jim Dixon.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Ferrara
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 04:42 PM

It's funny. A lot of old pop songs have been popping into my mind this last few days, songs I had forgotten I knew. I didn't remember the verses of Angelique-O but the chorus popped into my mind immediately.

I had a book of "Caribbean" songs in my teens that contained a song called "Send Her Back to Her Mama." Wonder if they are related? The words were not very singable and it seems like a Tin Pan Alley rip-off. The first verse & chorus went like this. (Can you believe I still remember this Stuff?)

The native girls down in the Islands
Are wearing powder and paint
Fancy clothes and even nylons,
It's hard to tell who is and who aint.
The native man don't care for glamor,
Much prefer old fashioned way,
"Send her back to her mama,"
That's the story down there today.

CHORUS
If she never rub-rub, bust the suds in a tub,
Send Her Back to Her Ma
If she wear fancy clothes, nail polish on her toes,
Send Her Back to Her Ma
If she can't tell when it's a rooster or hen,
Send Her Back to Her Ma,
She may look awful nice but if she burn up the rice
Send Her Back to Her Ma


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 11:23 PM

The New York Public Library catalog lists this book:

Calypso-Land : a folio of favorite new and authentic songs from the Caribbean. New York : E.B. Marks Music, c1957.

Contents: The banana boat song -- Cindy, oh Cindy -- Mama don't want no peas an' rice an' cocoanut oil -- Delia gone, one more roun', Delia gone -- Plenty fish in the sea, señor -- Money power -- Run for de doctor -- The mothers of nowadays -- Send her back to her ma -- Silly no-Silly yes -- I go siesta.

BMI says SEND HER BACK TO HER MA was written by Sam Manning.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 07:44 PM

Cindy, Oh Cindy may have been a new song back then--I remember that Eddie Fisher (remember him?) had a hit record with it--but it was not an authentic Caribbean song. 'Twas written by an American song writing team.

That aside, I would like to have a copy of the book.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 08:46 PM

Sam Manning was born in Trinidad in 1899. He moved to New York in the 1920s. He was a producer of "Caribbean Carnival," on Broadway.

"Cindy, oh Cindy," was written by Robert V. Barron and Burt Long, recorded by the Tarriers in 1956. and later by Eddie Fisher and others.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 08:26 PM

It was on an album by "The Brother's Four"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 06:32 AM

"Angelique-O" is originally from Haiti and was written in Haitian Creole. It was a veiled protest against the American occupation. Angelique-O- An Anti-Colonial Song From Haiti


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Subject: Lyr Add: BIG BIG SAMBO GYAL (Jamaica)
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:32 AM

Pasted here from this thread:. This is a Jamaican folk song with a similar theme.

BIG BIG SAMBO GYAL

Verse 1
Big big Sambo gyal and she cyaan do a ting.
Big big Sambo gyal and she cyaan do a ting.

Chorus
Sen' she back to she mumma, O!
Sen' she back to she puppa, O!
Di gyal cyaan wash an di gyal cyaan cook,
Sen she back to she mumma.

Gyal yu waa fi come kill me fi dundas,
Gyal yu waa fi come kill me O,
She tek ackee bwile soup, she tek 'natta color i'.
Gyal yu waa fi come kill mi.

2. Han' full a ring an' she cyaan do a ting.
Han' full a ring an' she cyaan do a ting.
Chorus.

(from "Mango Time: Folk Songs of Jamaica" collected by Noel Dexter and Godfrey Taylor.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:27 PM

And "Pack She Back to She Ma."
Seems to be a common theme.

I doubt the connection to a wife of any U. S. Commander in Haiti.
Can't call it an "urban legend" but I think it belongs in the same category.

For much of the time (1922-1930) Brig. Gen. John H. Russell was commander (and later High Commissioner). Before that time, a group of military and civilian administrators reported directly to Washington.
The first detachment of marines (1915) was under the command of Major Smedley Butler, who drove the Cacos out of Port au Prince.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:23 PM

".... the 1920s song "Angelique Oh !" composed by [Robert] Morse's grandfather, the famous troubadour Auguste de Pradines, known as Candio. The song describes a domestic squabble between Angelique and her lover but also served as a call for U.S. troups to leave Haiti, which they occupied from 1915 to 1934."
"The chorus was 'Angelique O ! Go home to your mother's house," explained Gage Averill of the music department at the University of Toronto. "It was interpreted by the popular class as, 'Yankee, go home,'"

Gary Marx, Chicago Tribune.
Lyrics of Love and Haiti. How did a guy who grew up in Connecticut and went to Princeton University become one of this Caribbean nation's leading singers of political protest?

http://www.heritagekonpa.com/Richard%20Morse%200f%20the%20Voodoo%20Group%20Ram.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:05 PM

Lyrics posted some time ago by Amos are by the Brothers Four.
Several websites have these lyrics.


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Subject: Lyr Add: ANGÉLIQUE, O
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:46 PM

Lyr. Add: ANGÉLIQUE, O
Haitian Creole; meringue.

Angélique, oh, Angélique, oh,
Allé caille manman ou !
(repeat two lines)

Ti fi qui pas conné lavé passé
Allé caille manmam ou.
(repeat)

Alle caille manman mon ch&$233;
(repeat line three times)
Pou' pas bam'm déagrément.
----------------

Angélique, oh, Angélique, oh,
Go back to your mother !

Little girl who doesn't know how to wash and iron,
Go home to your mother.
(repeat)
Go back to your mother, my dear,
(Repeat)

Creole sung by Lolita Cuevas, Haitian Folk Songs, Folkways FW6811, from booklet.

Perhaps this is just a simplification from the original song. I cannot find any lyrics to this song by Auguste de Pradines.

(Auguste de Pradines is a grandfather of the new president of Haiti, Martelly.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Angelique-O / Angelico
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 11:58 PM

Lolita Cuevas' accompanist on the Folkways album was Haitian emigre Frantz Casseus. Take note.

"Angelique-O, ©1957 by Clara Music Publishing Corp."
"This one is also a Haitian in origin.* Irving Burgie wrote the English version, a witty and satirical song. Words and Music By Irving Burgie And William Attaway"
Harry Belafonte; Bob Bollard, ed., Songs Belafonte Sings, Meredeth Press, 1963, pp. vi, 168

The missing link to the earlier Kreyole version is American anthropologist-choreographer Katherine Dunham. Her archives at Southern Illinois U. hold the earliest (I believe) documentation and a Dunham Orchestra recording of Ti Kandjo's "Angelique O." The latter's daughter, Robert Morse's mother, is Emirante Morse (nee Emy de Pradines) a former student-teacher of the Dunham Method and something of a legend in Haiti.

When Dunham returned from her first Haitian field trip she founded "The Cube Theater" on Chicago's south side with actress Ruth Attaway and brother William. It was Bill Attaway who later recommended Irving Burgie to the production team behind Belafonte's 1955 breakout "Holiday in Trinidad" appearance on the NBC-Colgate Comedy Hour and the cross-marketed "Calypso" album on RCA.

Burgie had already recorded Dunham's Kreyole version as "Lord Burgess and his Calypso Serenaders, Folk Songs of Haiti, Jamaica & Trinidad," Stinson, SLP62, 1953; released the same year as the Cuevas-Casseus-Folkways album above. I've never seen the covers mentioned in Burgie's liner notes: "In the United States several recordings of the song in English, sung by top recording artists, became very popular in 1953."

The later English lyrics by Burgie-Attaway were for release on "Belafonte Sings of the Caribbean," RCA, LPM 1505, 1957. Note: The guitarist, as for most early Belafonte recordings, was Frantz Casseus.

*The preceding tune is "Don't Ever Love Me." One could follow the Haitian song "Choucoune" on a parallel arc; same timeline, record labels, polemics, etc.


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