BS: Jesus in the Marmite!

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 May 09 - 05:13 PM

". . . the image of Jesus."

Apart from any religious considerations, the fact is that we do not know what Jesus looked like. Nor do we know what His mother Mary looked like. All anyone has to go on are generally depictions of Jesus and Mary in Renaissance paintings, sculpture, and religious icons, not all of which agree exactly, but they seem to have set the general parameters. Leonardo da Vinci's "The Last Supper" or Michaelangelo's "Pieta," for example. These are strictly from the imaginations of the artists.

An image of what appears to be a man with long hair and a beard appearing on a sausage pizza or the underside of a lid from a peanut butter jar could just as easily be Jerry Garcia from "The Greatful Dead." And the water stain that appears on the side of a building after a heavy rain may remind someone of a woman wearing a shawl over her head, but it could just as easily be am image of a young Muslim woman on her way to the marketplace to buy oranges.

There is a word for this kind of image:    Rorschach test.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 01:10 AM

For sure, Don, but so what? Everyone in our civilization has a general idea...based on past traditions...of what Jesus is assumed to look like, and that's what counts for people.

We also have a general idea of what Santa Claus is assumed to look like too, and this despite the fact that we all, by a certain age, KNOW perfectly well that Santa Claus doesn't even exist. But we can agree on what he supposedly looks like, can't we?

It's pretty much like that with Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna, for example. People go by past traditions that are carried in the consciousness of their civilization.

If someone thinks they can see the image of Jesus in something, well, that's real to them. No one else is in charge of their perceptions, not any more than they are in charge of yours or mine. So they don't see Jerry Garcia or Frank Zappa? And why would they? (unless they were fanatic deadheads or Zappa fans of the most faithful variety...then maybe)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 02:00 AM

If there was a Jesus, if he existed now in spirit form with the ability to cause his likeness to appear in things, and if he wanted his followers to see his image in the lid of a Marmite jar (or whatever), I imagine he would make it look like the image they had in their mind of what he looked like rather than what he might have actually looked like. That seems to make the most sense to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 02:16 AM

Quite so, Carol. I didn't bother mentioning that, because it causes such annoyance in the minds of people who are dead certain that there is nothing spiritual out there in the first place. ;-)

The idea of Spirit is that it goes beyond what we think of as "form". It is formless. It is consciousness, not form. But...if a person encounters some spiritual phenomenon then their mind usually simply translates it into a visible form they are most familiar with, generally speaking. So, where a Muslim might see Mohammed or Abraham, and a Buddhist might see Buddha or some other saint in that tradition, and a Hindu might see Krishna or Shiva, and a Christian might see Jesus or Mary or an Archangel....they may ALL be "seeing" (reacting to) very much the same spiritual consciousness, but their mind will immediately translate it into a form they can relate to.

The form doesn't matter, though. The intention and consciousness carried by the form matters. You can't SEE that, but you can feel it. You might see it as ANY form, most likely the one you would expect to see.

This, by the way, probably has nothing at all to do with supposed images of Jesus that appear on the lid of a jar of marmite or a piece of toast... ;-) Those are most likely mere happenstance without spiritual significance.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 11:47 AM

Oi YOU Little Hawk..........Lay orf Santa or you'll only get COAL !!

I've read all sorts of stuff on mudcat but never before have I read such a scurrilous attack on Santa.......disgraceful.

And I've seen Hendrix in the clouds !!

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 12:10 PM

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 02:26 PM

". . . but so what?"

Just a casual observation, Little Hawk. Hardly worth calling a meeting of the U. N. Security Council. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 02:43 PM

Very good, old chap.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Nov 09 - 04:08 PM

Someone just popped up on Twitter wanting to know where to buy vegemite in New York City. Do any of our Mudcatters have an answer for this? I know we talk about it often enough!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 Nov 09 - 04:27 PM

Ebay.
Local supermarkets sometimes carry it although Marmite is more common.
Both gross IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 03:23 PM

If you live in the UK, you can celebrate the nativity this year by giving presents from the Robert Dyas catalogue - Marmite teapot, Marmite mugs, Marmite egg cups, Marmite toast rack....

Kitty

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 05:03 PM

What did Jesus look like anyway? Does anyone actually know?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 05:21 PM

I don't believe He ever sat for His portrait to be painted, and this was a little while before the camera was invented, so His appearance is all pure speculation. Most peoples' idea of what Jesus looked like comes from Renaissance paintings. Same with Mary.

Plenty of likenesses of Roman emperors and other such luminaries, but none of Jesus that anyone knows about. Roman sculptors weren't particularly interested in itinerant carpenters and such folk.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus in the Marmite!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:39 AM

I wonder if we'll get one in the Vegemite iSNACK2.0

Dave H