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Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: mousethief
Date: 02 May 10 - 09:35 PM

The people who present themselves as "native Americans" now took it away from someboyd else.

Who, the squirrels? Maybe I'm not up on current research, but I've never heard that there were any people here before the people we call "Native Americans" wandered through Sarah Palin's backyard and down into the Americas from Asia.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: pdq
Date: 02 May 10 - 09:38 PM

"...I personally would vote for, work for, borderless countries..." ~ Ebbie

Great. So please give your Social Security benefits to the new arrivals.

Leave mine alone, I will be needing them. Besides, I paid into the system, as demanded by FDR, and that money is mine. You should have absolutely nothing to do with the matter.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: mousethief
Date: 02 May 10 - 09:43 PM

What you paid in is long gone, and if you live long in retirement (and I hope you do), the money you draw out will be many times what you put in. The idea that you put money into a box and then draw the exact same money out of the same box when you retire is nonsense. Few people die before they receive more than they put in.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: pdq
Date: 02 May 10 - 09:51 PM

"...if you live long in retirement (and I hope you do)..."

I choose to accept that as a sort of peace offering.

Did you know that a few months ago, the federal government started taking in less in Social Security benefits than it paid out?

We were told ten years ago that the SS fund would not support itself by 2013, but the depression/recession has pushed it forward a few years.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: mousethief
Date: 02 May 10 - 09:56 PM

Of course if the government had been banking the FICA $$ all along and not using them to bankroll the rest of the federal budget, SS would not be in the red. Of course the federal debt would be significantly worse.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 01:14 AM

"...the people we call "Native Americans" wandered through Sarah Palin's backyard and down into the Americas from Asia."

             Actually, those were the later arrivals. Recent discoveries have found earlier folks.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: DougR
Date: 03 May 10 - 01:45 AM

Ebbie: So you are actually for open borders? Are you not at all concerned that our enemy, the Islamic Terrorists, would love that?

DougR

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 03 May 10 - 01:47 AM

I'm probably throwing gas on the fire, but it's late, and I have food poisoning so I can sleep, and I'm bored between bouts of nausea. Perfect.

So, I want to paraphrase a line I heard on Peter Segal's "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me" this weekend:

"sure, they can't profile based on the color of your skin, or your accent. Maybe by your clothes! Like if you're wearing a t-shirt that says, "my mother smuggled me across the Sonoran Desert, and all I got was this this t-shirt and a job you won't do!"

I am not in favor of illegal immigration in any way, shape or form. Nobody comes out smelling like a rose.

But face the facts, folks. We have plenty of unemployed, and under-employed people, many collecting state (and federal!) benefits, complaining of a lack of opportunities, who think it is beneath them to scrub our toilets, cut our grass, wash our dishes, pick our sweet potatoes, care for our babies. But it's ok to look the other way daily as hungry, tired immigrants (legal AND illegal) do these jobs everywhere you look (at least in MY non-border state).

Dani

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: mousethief
Date: 03 May 10 - 01:52 AM

Actually, those were the later arrivals. Recent discoveries have found earlier folks.

Can you point me to something I can read, that isn't on a tin-foil-hat website? (No offense)

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 07:52 AM

Aside from the Kennewick remains, which are well documented and have been all over the news, there is the site I'll post below and many others. All you have to do is Google -- Pre-Clovis and you'll find another one.
         Only a week or so ago they discovered remains in Greenland that they've been able to conclude came from Siberia.

http://www.matrixbookstore.biz/preclovis.htm


       Many of us find it distressing that they are still teaching an outdated history in the public schools.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 07:58 AM

"I have enough humanity, *religion*, if you will, in me that I personally would vote for, work for, borderless countries."

       I guess people with religion are in a position that they don't have to worry about the destrcution of this planet because they have a better place to go to. That probably the basic difference between those of us who resist runaway population growth, and those who don't care.

       On the American side you have people with college degrees, advanced degress, and post-graduate degrees telling us that population growth is a problem, and on the other side you have people who are in the grip of Catholic dogma, who are controlled by Hispanic politicians on both sides of the border with only their own self promotion in mind.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 May 10 - 08:21 AM

"On the American side you have people with college degrees, advanced degress, and post-graduate degrees telling us that population growth is a problem, and on the other side you have people who are in the grip of Catholic dogma, who are controlled by Hispanic politicians on both sides of the border with only their own self promotion in mind.

Uh huh. Been to Utah lately? Lots of blond-haired, blue-eyed families with eight kids.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 08:42 AM

If your making the point that following religious dogma is a bad idea, Art, you won't get any objection out of me.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: pdq
Date: 03 May 10 - 01:16 PM

Between about 1962 and 1972, there was a great deal of discussion about pollution, water scarcity, resource depletion and overpopulation.

The Great American Middle Class responded and, as a nation, brought the goal of large families into disfavor.

By 1972, the population growth from native-born US'ians reached the magic "zero population growth". The count was 205 million then.

With 315 million and growing fast, the last 110 million people are the product of immigration. Our Great Central Valley in California has been paving-over farm land to make roads and houses. In the future, the US will be a net importer of food, and the produce will be grown under Third World working conditions and have poor sanitation, as well as pesticde residue from chemicals that are no longer used in this country.

Again, I don't see that we have made any progress or won many battles (in this country) in the last 50 years.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 01:48 PM

It's funny, ain't it pdq, how folks just don't want to let all them facts get in the way of their preconceived notions.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: pdq
Date: 03 May 10 - 02:00 PM

Also, Rigs, far too many people say something like "we all want immigration reform, but this is the wrong way..." when they really mean "I think the open borders are just fine and I will say and do anything I have to if you try to close them".

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 02:10 PM

Yet the folks who scream the loudest when somebody suggest cracking down on illegal immigration, are the same ones who are always making such a fuss about the environment.

             It don't make a lick a' sense!

Subject: Immigrants: Jan Brewer targets Hispanic-Americans
From: Genie
Date: 03 May 10 - 02:47 PM

Rig, I'll bet a lot of those who are screaming loudest about illegal immigrants and how they destroy our environment are among the majority Americans who
1) contribute to rampant environmental devastation via overconsumption (plus not reusing or recycling),
2) insist on buying low-cost produce (picked by immigrants who will work for slave wages) or goods manufactured in 3rd world countries that protect neither workers' rights nor the environment,
or both.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 03:00 PM

I would assume from that, Genie, that you think left wing liberals who champion the cause of "open boarders" simply don't care about the environment, because you just just can't have it both ways.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save Amer
From: Genie
Date: 03 May 10 - 04:42 PM

Rig, the Mudcat softward just ate my reply.

But in a nutshell, I don't know many people, liberals or otherwise, who advocate "open borders."   (Maybe in an ideal world, but not in one where there are so many corrupt, non-democratic governments. It's not practical, even if we Americans were willing to lower our standard of living substantially.)

The liberals I know are, for the most part, opposed to NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, and the WTO. Opposed to American jobs being shipped overseas to be done in countries where neither workers nor the environment are valued or protected. In favor of changing our tax laws to disincentivize companies from locating their HQ off shore. In favor of "protectionist" tariffs
for imported products that can and used to be made in the US. In favor of workers' rights to unionize - which in itself makes it harder and/or less profitable for employers to hire illegals.   And in favor of people in countries like Mexico fighting (e.g., voting) to improve their own government instead of just fleeing north.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 May 10 - 05:20 PM

Fact is that we purchased the last piece of land that now constitutes the southern borders of Arizona and New Mexico." pdq

Uh huh. How much did we pay them?

It is possible that 'borderless' countries has an official meaning that is different from how I mean it.

The way I am using it does not mean that I don't think there should be laws, rules, regulations, sanctions and penalties governing infractions. I think the European experiment needs a lot of bugs removed but it is a start in the right direction.

"Are you not at all concerned that our enemy, the Islamic Terrorists, would love that?" DougR

Has it occurred to you that just perhaps the "Islamic Terrorists" would lose their steam if there was a more level playing field? Or perhaps you think they are just naturally born that murderous?

Or do you mean to tell me that Islamic Terrorists are flocking into the countries of the European Union and overwhelming their society?

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 05:25 PM

Ebbie and Genie - You both make a number of valid points. Still, looking at the entire situation, both in the Americas and world wide, I think unchecked human population growth has to be dealt with before you can make any meaningful headway on most environmental issues.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save Amer
From: Genie
Date: 03 May 10 - 05:30 PM

Rig, I agree that unchecked human population growth is a major problem - one that may, in fact, have catastrophic effects on both human and other animal populations.

It's a very difficult phenomenon to curb without severely restricting human rights - something that we Americans and people in most developed countries are rightly reluctant to do.   

I don't see that problem and the immigrant population as that closely tied though. India and China account for a lot more of the world's overpopulation than Mexico does.

Plus, Americans consume the world's resources far out of proportion to our numbers.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 06:51 PM

Those are good points, Genie, and I think a well funded campaign to reduce American consumption would be a good idea. Unfortunately, I don't see something like that being proposed by either major party. We'll have to find some other way to do it.

            As far as India and China--I heard in the news last week that China has taken over as the worlds largest CO2 producer, and India is rapidly catching up.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 07:39 PM

And then there's this:



http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/03/frum.immigration.education/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: mousethief
Date: 03 May 10 - 08:35 PM

The way to check population growth is to educate women. Globally, the more education women have, the fewer children they have.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save Amer
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 03 May 10 - 09:12 PM

Amen, Mousethief.

And thanks for the two cents, Ebbie. Good to see your common sense here.

I would like to know, Rig, what your opinion is of the Federal programs that literally truck low-wage workers here to care for/pick crops on a seasonal basis, in a state where the unemployment rate is, at last check, 11%.

Do you agree that there's a bit of a disconnect between the standard of living we expect, and the one we're willing to work for?

Dani

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 10 - 09:36 PM

"Rig, what your opinion is of the Federal programs that literally truck low-wage workers here to care for/pick crops on a seasonal basis, in a state where the unemployment rate is, at last check, 11%."

          I agree, Dani. That's an icredibly bad idea.



      "Do you agree that there's a bit of a disconnect between the standard of living we expect, and the one we're willing to work for?"

          Well, I don't know, Dani. Lloy Blankfein's income is through the roof, and I doubt if he's ever worked a day in his life. But the average American's standard of living would be much, much higher if he/she wasn't supporting a bunch of illegal aliens.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: DougR
Date: 04 May 10 - 01:05 AM

Ebbie: your reply to my question regarding the danger of open borders, and how delighted Islamic Terrorists would be if we had them, illustrates the typical liberal's point of view about the danger of war we are in with Islamic terrorists. If we were just nicer to them they would go away. What a dangerous, stupid, irresponsible point of view.

DougR

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: DougR
Date: 04 May 10 - 01:41 AM

Unfortunately, Ebbie, I fear you reflect the attitude of the current Obama administration. God help us all.

DougR

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 May 10 - 07:06 AM

I'm going to try this again:


Washington (CNN) -- When Arizona police ask suspected illegal immigrants for IDs, they are protecting your grandchildren's economic future.

Three years ago, ETS -- the people who administer the SAT -- released an alarming study. It combined information on test scores with demographic trends to predict that the U.S. work force of 2030 would be less literate, less skilled and worse paid than the U.S. work force of 1990.

ETS reported: "[B]y 2030 the average levels of literacy and numeracy in the working-age population will have decreased by about 5 percent while inequality will have increased by about 7 percent. Put crudely, over the next 25 years or so, as better-educated individuals leave the work force they will be replaced by those who, on average, have lower levels of education and skill. Over this same period, nearly half of the projected job growth will be concentrated in occupations associated with higher education and skill levels. This means that tens of millions more of our students and adults will be less able to qualify for higher-paying jobs."

Why?

One word: Immigration.

Since 1970, America's largest source of immigrants has been Latin America, especially Mexico. More than half of these Latino immigrants lack a high school diploma.

Compare the U.S. experience with Canada's. More than half of all immigrants to Canada possess a university degree. Half of all Canada's Ph.D.s are foreign-born.

Why does America choose poorly educated immigrants? The short answer: America does not choose them. They choose themselves.

In the last decade, half of all the immigrants to the United States arrived illegally. Even many of the legal arrivals gained entry courtesy of relatives who originally slipped into the country against the law, then somehow regularized themselves.

By contrast, Canada (a country of 1/10 the U.S. population that takes proportionately many more immigrants than the United States) allows almost no illegal immigration.

The result: While immigration has enhanced the average skill level of the Canadian population, it has detracted from the average skill level of the U.S. population.

Many Americans carry in their minds a family memory of upward mobility, from great-grandpa stepping off the boat at Ellis Island to a present generation of professionals and technology workers. This story no longer holds true for the largest single U.S. immigrant group, Mexican-Americans.

Stephen Trejo and Jeffrey Groger studied the intergenerational progress of Mexican-American immigrants in their scholarly work, "Falling Behind or Moving Up?"

They discovered that third-generation Mexican-Americans were no more likely to finish high school than second-generation Mexican-Americans. Fourth-generation Mexican-Americans did no better than third.

If these results continue to hold, the low skills of yesterday's illegal immigrant will negatively shape the U.S. work force into the 22nd century.

The failure to enforce the immigration laws in the 1990s and 2000s means that the U.S. today has more poorly skilled workers, more poverty and more workers without health insurance than it would have generated by itself.

Arizona's new law against illegal immigration can do only so much to address the problem:

•The law does not reach into the workplace, which is where enforcement will have most effect.

• It is not sufficiently neutral: Much better to check the work eligibility of all job applicants than to screen suspicious people at traffic stops.

• It is easily evaded by crossing into another state for work.

Yet there is good reason to expect that effective reduction of illegal work opportunities will slow the illegal immigration flow. The Center for Immigration Studies estimates the recession has induced a decline of 1.7 million in the illegal population, as some illegals have opted to return home and potential illegals have decided against trying to enter. Effective enforcement could have further effect.

At a minimum, it seems irresponsible for political leaders in Washington to speculate about amnesty before enforcement has had its full effect. Amnesty talk invites more illegal immigration, by raising hopes that those who can slip into the country in the next months will be allowed to stay.

Arizona's law offsets that loose talk. The law may expose Arizona's leaders to criticism. But it is at least a beginning contribution to a stronger American work force and a wealthier American future.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: artbrooks
Date: 04 May 10 - 08:10 AM

It's an opinion piece, Rig. He is, as you are, entitled to have one.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 May 10 - 08:30 AM

It is fact, after fact, after fact, and well documented.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 May 10 - 11:44 AM

How many states have a policy that says racial profiling is illegal, and will not be tolerated?

Any state that does not is surely morally wrong.

Subject: Jan Brewer takes step to enslave Hispanics
From: Genie
Date: 04 May 10 - 01:14 PM

Rig, that CNN piece seems conveniently to ignore many other factors contributing to the decline in the USA's academic standards and achievement. ("No Child Left Behind," anyone?
How about increasing cuts in funding of schools because of the "Taxed Enough Already" / "Get The Government Off Our Backs" mentality?   And were factors like the increasing use of entertainment media taken into account?)

I know when I worked as an academic in Canada a while back, Canada was actively recruiting highly educated people to become "landed immigrants" (which required already having a job offer or a certain amount of money) by offering them tax-exempt status. (They dropped that latter offer not long afterwards because the 'reverse brain drain' had succeeded beyond their expectations.)    It's no surprise that when a country seeks out high income or highly skilled immigrants it tends to raise the level of the population at large.    But Canada does not have a large nation on its boarders with millions of people desperate to emigrate due to poverty.
(Not yet, anyway.)

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 May 10 - 01:16 PM

Hey, now Genie is doing it! The word is 'borders'. lol

Subject: Immigrants: Arizona law targets Hispanics
From: Genie
Date: 04 May 10 - 01:21 PM

Alex and Dani, you're right that educating women is an important step in curbing the runaway growth of the world's population.   But I don't think that's enough if we want to reverse the trend before a lot more environmental devastation occurs.

Attitudes and laws also need to be changed about:
1) men's behavior toward and rights concerning women (e.g., their wives)
and
2) the use of contraception.

If women are educated but societies still condone or even encourage rape and discourage or outlaw the use of contraceptives, a lot of unwanted pregnancies will still occur.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 May 10 - 03:21 PM

"But Canada does not have a large nation on its boarders with millions of people desperate to emigrate due to poverty."

         Exactly!



          The article didn't mention those elements of education reversals because it was written to concentrate on the issue of how immigration affects education. You're right about those things, of course, but correcting them is hampered by a continual influx of uneducated immigrants who don't speak the primary language.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save Amer
From: Genie
Date: 04 May 10 - 04:57 PM

Good grief, Rig, now you've got ME misspelling "borders" too! (Monkey see, monkey do, I guess.) LOL

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save Amer
From: Genie
Date: 04 May 10 - 05:04 PM

Rig: "The article didn't mention those elements of education reversals because it was written to concentrate on the issue of how immigration affects education. You're right about those things, of course, but correcting them is hampered by a continual influx of uneducated immigrants who don't speak the primary language."

The article didn't just "focus" on the illegal immigration issue, it singled that out as the major cause.

BTW, Canada is officially bilingual and has a whole province where English is not the primary language.   Plus both Canada and the US have millions of legal immigrants whose English (and/or French) is minimal or virtually nonexistent when they take up residency here. They may speak only Russian, Viet Namese, Mandarin, or some other language, and many of them manage to run or work for businesses pretty successfully in spite of that - as do many people who are fluent only in Spanish.

Kids in Europe often grow up speaking and understanding several different languages, yet they generally have higher academic achievement than US kids do in recent years.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 May 10 - 05:40 PM

The article makes the point that illegal immigration is a major cause of failing schools in areas that have to deal with it.

            It makes it very clear to me that this is a major reason why people in Canada and in northern states have a different general attitude on illegal immigration. If you have a kid in school, he/she will make very likely not make very good progress in border state schools for the very reason the article cites. That's probably the most devastating part of it for a lot of us.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 May 10 - 05:53 PM

Surely just about every country experiences the same problem in a microcosmic way: people leave the countryside and move into the cities where jobs are more plentiful, more potential friends and mates, and the future looks brighter. Legalities don't enter into it nor do human rights, it is enough that they are human beings and in need.

You are among the people in the city complaining about all those country bumpkins coming in, crowding your neighborhood, making available housing scarce and more expensive and taking your jobs.

(I am speaking to Rig. Obviously.)

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 May 10 - 06:10 PM

"people leave the countryside and move into the cities where jobs are more plentiful, more potential friends and mates, and the future looks brighter."

       People from another country, who speak a different language, however, puts another spin on it. Add to that, the inablility of native kids to learn because the intruders are there, and the growing population explosion, and you end up with a whole bunch of pissed off folks.

       Another thing that adds to it is the schools are financed. If you're a property owner in Arizona, you're paying property taxes to educate a bunch of kids who shouldn't even be here.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 May 10 - 07:04 AM

"Alex and Dani, you're right that educating women is an important step in curbing the runaway growth of the world's population.   But I don't think that's enough if we want to reverse the trend before a lot more environmental devastation occurs."

            The best thing to do, and the most immediate, is to get contol of human migration.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 May 10 - 12:12 PM

Too funny for words. The next Robert Rodriguez movie is called "Machete". Hard to believe it was filmed a year ago. Here's the trailer. Rig - don't watch this please - it's your worst nightmare come true. And it stars Danny Trejo, Robert De Niro, Jeff Fahey, Michelle Rodriguez, Jessica Alba, Cheech Marin, Don Johnson, Rose McGowan, Steven Seagal, Lindsay Lohan

Happy Cinco De Mayo



Machete - the Movie

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 May 10 - 12:35 PM

Wow! It looks like the good people of Arizona should have acted sooner.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 May 10 - 12:48 PM

Just keep telling yourself - "it's only a movie......"

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 May 10 - 01:12 PM

No, Wesley, I know that it's real. I've experienced it first hand.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 May 10 - 02:46 PM

Suuuure you have......

Just don't expect me to wait for the details.

Subject: RE: Immigrants: Jan Brewer takes step to save America
From: pdq
Date: 05 May 10 - 05:50 PM

No matter what you think of Ted Nugent, he is one hellava rock guitar player and he says what he thinks...

"By Ted Nugent

In the absence of any real border enforcement by Fedzilla and after the emergency of the recent murder of rancher Robert Krentz, Arizonans rightfully took matters into their own hands and passed a law allowing Arizona cops to demand immigration papers from people they stop.

Good for Arizona. Other states, especially border states, should follow its lead. In short, Arizona's new law makes it a crime to be in Arizona illegally. It's 2010 - Good morning, America! Those people who can't produce documentation proving they are in the country legally can be jailed up to six months and fined $2,500.

Of course, the pro-illegal-immigration crowd is going berserk that Arizona has done such a common-sense thing. These Democratic numskulls see any immigration reform measures that seek to protect our border as a threat to their future political base. You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see that the grand plan of the Democrats is to entrap illegal immigrants by giving them legal status and then enslave and destroy them with numerous Fedzilla handouts and programs.

Pro-illegal-immigration weasels are protesting and yammering that this new law will lead to profiling. President Obama has weighed in and asked the Justice Department to review Arizona's new law to see if it is legal.

Unbelievably, while our borders are largely open and being overrun, the Obama administration recently lectured Israel about expanding its communities just a few feet on land that arguably is its to expand upon.

While I applaud Arizona for its bold and brave new law, putting illegals in jail is the wrong move. That costs too much. I say Arizona should follow its own American hero, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County.

Sheriff Arpaio keeps crooks in a large outdoor holding facility and makes them sleep in tents. Among other things, he feeds them bologna sandwiches. I hope they are not fresh.

My good friend Sheriff Arpaio's common-sense policies and practices drive the American Civil Liberties Union and other leftist numskulls batty. He puts smiles on the faces of Americans who still believe that pragmatism and common sense should rule the day.

Indeed, something needs to be done about illegal immigration and the 12 million to 15 million illegals who already are in America and causing a tremendous financial burden on states because of their abuse of the states' social services and criminal justice programs. Hospitals in California and other states have closed, and jails and prisons in border states are upward of 40 percent full of illegals.

The invasion roils on."