BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 27 May 11 - 06:50 PM

froggy..."Whatever the actual reasons, bro, yours is a very unusual if not unique case."

At least I am not a eunuch case.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 May 11 - 05:23 PM

Correct spelling, mohel. Pronounce, MOY-el.

According to an old friend of mine who is of the Jewish persuasion.

(Beats me. . . .)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 27 May 11 - 04:55 PM

I heard that all moyhls (spelling?) carry a Bris-kit with them. (In case they get hungry.)--- And a kishka on a stick!

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 27 May 11 - 04:08 PM

It should be up to the parents to decide at the time of birth. The only thing that should be legislated and that MUST be mandatory regardless of what religion and ceremonial religious tradition is wrapped around it, is that it be performed by a medical doctor, and with a local anesthetic administered prior (and given time to work) so that it is absolutely pain free for the baby. To do it any other way and without a local is simply barbaric - and if done THAT way, it SHOULD be illegal.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 May 11 - 12:01 AM

FYI:

Foreskin can contain the human papillomavirus -- a sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer in women and can lead to genital warts in both sexes -- according to a small Austrian study that is scheduled to be presented at the annual meeting of the American Urological Association in Washington, D.C., HealthDay/USA Today reports.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 25 May 11 - 10:16 PM

froggy.... you callin my dyslexic little? That's a low blow.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,mark-s(on the road)
Date: 25 May 11 - 10:08 PM

This would be a financial horror for the mohels. I hear they work mostly for tips anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: frogprince
Date: 25 May 11 - 10:13 AM

circumlocution: talking one's foreskin off.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 May 11 - 10:34 PM

What DonF said.

What Froggy said.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: frogprince
Date: 24 May 11 - 10:21 PM

Gnu, are you sure you weren't just criticized twice, and you're a little dislexic?

While I don't disbelieve you, I flat out don't understand; I've never heard of anyone being circumcised who didn't come out pretty much like the "after" picture, and I bet not much of anyone else here has, let alone why anyone would cut off some, cut off a little more, and still not arrive at the "after" picture. Whatever the actual reasons, bro, yours is a very unusual if not unique case.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 24 May 11 - 06:52 PM

Don... I been cut twice and those pics don't apply. Am I Superdick?

I mean, in the genital sense, of course. Most people know I am a big dick but few know... ahhh... nevermind.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 24 May 11 - 06:50 PM

"female circumcision"

Unaccepatable. Maybe I don't understand it but I just don't understand it... ya know... eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 May 11 - 06:44 PM

Okay, Sex-Ed 101.

Circumcised compared to uncircumcised.

With the uncircumcised penis, the head of the penis (glans) is generally completely covered. With the circumcised penis, the glans is exposed, but it's wearing a little turtleneck.

In ALL cases, scrupulous personal hygiene is highly recommended. For BOTH genders. [Should go without saying.]

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, so-called "female circumcision" (removal of the clitoris) is a totally different horror show!

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: bobad
Date: 24 May 11 - 05:41 PM

Hate to break it to you anonymous troll "henryetta" but you'll find a hell of a lot more "nasties" in the average vaginal skoosh than under the average penile foreskin. Infection transmission is a two way street.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 May 11 - 05:29 PM

Richard, hope this isn't classed as 'too much information', but there are many different types of circumcision. One type is merely a 'trim', and there is still enough skin left to retract and wash. A quite radical circumcision is often performed in Africa, which involves complete removal of ALL the foreskin and a razor removal even of the ring of tissue which is left, (rather like sharpening a pencil with a knife). This is often done at age ten, without aneasthetic and is incredibly painful for days. Another type (eg Masai) leaves a long 'tag' of the foreskin hanging on a thin strip of skin. This is supposed to give much pleasure to women. There is some limited evidence that circumcision reduces the transference of the HIV virus, but this information is dangerous, as it encourages people not to bother with a condom. Also, Jewish women do not often contract cervical cancer, as a circumcised penis does not induce this condition. Nuns never get cervical cancer! But I still think the operation should only be performed on consenting adults.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 24 May 11 - 05:28 PM

NO 4skin Dick? Where did you hear that? As I said earlier, I am a twice decorated (undecorated) veteran and I still got me some.

Or, was I just lucky? Blessed with WAY too much?

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 May 11 - 05:13 PM

??? Circumcision = no foreskin.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 24 May 11 - 04:47 PM

"the uncircumcised penis can be a host for all kinds of infectious horrors."

Okay... I have a question. Does the circumcised dick foreskin separate from the dick ("peel back", so to speak) at an earlier age than the uncircumcised dick foreskin?

And, is the uncircumcised dick foreskin never able to be peeled back to allow male hygiene? Can't an uncircumsized dick be washed? I wash my dick every day. Sometimes twice a day as the little guy seems to like it. At least, that's what he tells me... in his own way.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 May 11 - 04:12 PM

GUEST,henryetta has a valid point. I have heard that before, and it's not just someone's cockamamie idea. Unless a guy is fairly scrupulous in his personal hygiene, the uncircumcised penis can be a host for all kinds of infectious horrors.

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On a lighter note:   two men in a public men's room standing in front of adjacent urinals. One man finishes up, then goes to the wash basin, uses the soap dispenser, then washes his hands. The other man just zips up and heads for the door.

The man at the wash basin says, "At Harvard, they teach us to wash our hands after urinating."

As he goes out the door, the other man responds, "At Yale, they teach us not to urinate on our hands!"

(I'm done. Until next time.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 May 11 - 03:13 PM

I love traditional jokes too.

Hey Ms Henry. Assuming you are really Henrietta and not Henry. Who treats the infections women give to men, or does it only take one to tango? Why not offer to wash it for him? I bet he doesn't refuse, and with care (and a second soaping) you might avoid the need for immediate penetration.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 May 11 - 02:58 PM

LOL Don! I translated your two jokes to my hubbie, he roared with laughter!

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 May 11 - 06:18 PM

A man is walking painfully out of a clinic when he meets a friend coming in.

"Good grief, man!" says the friend, "You look like you're in a world of hurt! What, if you don't mind my asking, did you have done here?"

"Well, my wife absolutely insisted, so I had the doctor castrate me."

"My God, man! That's really extreme!"

"Yeah, I thought so too, but—well, my wife did insist, so. . . .   If you don't mind my asking, what are you here for?"

"Similar, I guess. My wife insists that I be circumcised."

"Circumcised!   THAT's the word!!"

Don Firth

(Okay, I'm gone.)

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 May 11 - 06:01 PM

A fellow walking down the street notices that his watch is way off. It's been giving him problems lately, and he intends to take it in for repair, but he keeps forgetting about it. But serendipity seems to be at work. He discovers himself standing in front of a small shop and it has watches and clocks in the show window.

He goes inside. Behind the counter sits an elderly gentleman with glasses and a long beard. The elderly man looks up from his book and says, "Yes?"

The fellow takes off his watch and says, "My watch is not keeping very good time lately. I'd like to have it repaired."

The elderly gentleman says, "I'm sorry, but I don't repair timepieces. I'm a mohel."

"A mohel? I'm sorry, but what is a mohel?"

"A mohel performs circumcisions," says the old gentleman.

"But—   I thought this was a watch repair shop. I mean, if you don't repair watches and clocks, then why do you have all those watches and clocks in your show window?"

"So . . . what would you put in the window?"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 11 - 10:49 PM

There is already one such. Indeed maybe more than one.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 May 11 - 09:37 PM

The Four Skins would be a good name for a group.

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 10:06 PM

Are they really limitations? How can anyone know?

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 May 11 - 09:03 PM

I'd sue my pediatrician but she died in 1967. She's the one who recommended it be done.

There's also the statute of limitations...

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 21 May 11 - 07:45 PM

Up until I read this thread I didn't give a rat's ass about being cut as a baby ... but now I'm thinking of bringing a lawsuit up against my parents.

biLL   ... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 May 11 - 07:38 PM

Okay.......Is there anyone out there who feels somehow shorted, to coin a phrase, because you had a trim job as a baby? Do you give a shit? Has it caused you great stress and harm or mental illness due to cliptip?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 06:58 PM

Eliza... "removal is of course necessary, under anaesthetic."

I should hope so.

When I had the second (see above), just as I was being knocked out, I said, "Nothing off the top, just a little trim around the sides." A nurse said, "No, you want it off the top and added to the sides." I knew her voice, but all I could see was her eyes as I went under and I couldn't figure out who she really was. I asked a certain lass later on if it was her and she said she could not say one way or the other due to confidentiallity... but that if I had such a surgery my sex life was gonna be far better.

A medical or "spiritual" opinion?

Or is that too personal or medical?

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 21 May 11 - 03:20 PM

The wife tells me that Santa Monica, Calif. is considering this ban. Anybody car to invest in my underground clinic venture, catering to male baby circumcision? I plan to offer both religious and secular ceremonies.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 May 11 - 09:48 AM

In the case of paraphimosis (tight foreskin causing erectile problems/infection/inflammation) removal is of course necessary, under anaesthetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 May 11 - 09:16 AM

Richard-

"I was under the impression that it was fairly often done for medical/hygenic reasons."

Not since soap and water were invented. I suppose in some third world countries where clean water is not readily available, the operation, if performed by licensed medical practitioners, would be justified.

No, the practice seems more based on traditional religious belief or out-dated medical practice.

Now in some cases the size of the foreskin is excessive and an operation might be called for, as documented in this old song about a "jolly tinker" having "forty yards of foreskin hanging down below his knees."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 11 - 07:38 AM

I left my foreskin in San Francisco.

There... It's a music thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 20 May 11 - 11:35 PM

"those Celts, what a bunch of barbarians"
The Celts were more interested in cutting the balls of the Sasunnach than the foreskin.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 20 May 11 - 01:24 PM

I know a Rabbi who cuts two inches off the tail pipe of every car he buys.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 20 May 11 - 12:05 PM

"It was also the norm in the UK."

It wasn't very common, but I once met someone who'd been circumsized and wasn't called Norm.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 May 11 - 11:27 AM

We need a law against making new laws................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 May 11 - 09:53 AM

Geeeeeezuz H. ... whew ... those Celts, what a bunch of barbarians.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 May 11 - 09:49 AM

Foreskins used to be collected as a way to count enemy dead. The whole penis was also used. I don't know what they did with them after they were counted. Ancient Celts went into battle naked, both men and women, and this is where the phrase "Stand up and be counted!" came from. Sometimes two champions would come forth and settle the matter with a cockfight.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 11 - 04:39 AM

For those who desperately wanted their circumsized foreskin back and have had their eyelids sewn on their penis followed later by transplanting discarded foreskins for an eyelid transplant, perhaps there is a better solution.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 May 11 - 04:37 AM

It was also the norm in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 20 May 11 - 03:47 AM

I was taking a quick look online about this, so evidently circumcision was a routine operation in the US during the fifties (I always assumed it to be an exclusively religious thing). I don't think that's the case anywhere else in the world.

Apparently it initially became popular in the US as a means of inhibiting the corrupting dangers of "self abuse" or masturbation in young boys, but later gained currency as a means to prevent all kinds of supposed health problems from epilepsy to bed-wetting!

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 May 11 - 03:35 AM

I am not going to believe much written by anyone who can say that facts have changed. That is gibberish. A fact cannot change. If an assertion was wrong it was not a fact in the first place. Additional facts may be discovered, or the interpretation of facts may change, but a fact is a fact is a fact. Bah!

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 20 May 11 - 02:54 AM

"Gonna have to ban lip and ear stretching, too. And probably should also ban flattening babies heads. All of these have been (and sometimes are) practiced by various American Indian nations, African tribal groups, and so on. Neck stretching, too. And foot binding (although that isn't done much anymore)."

My guess is that if you tried flattening your babies head in the US today, or binding your daughter's feet, you would quickly discover that you probably don't need extra laws banning them. As for African practices, FGM is not legal in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: J-boy
Date: 20 May 11 - 12:45 AM

I was born fourty years ago and at that time in America it was standard practice. Why that was I have no idea. But I don't miss my foreskin. I can't miss something I never really had. In a not totally unrelated note several churches claim to possess Christ's foreskin and venerate it as such. I wonder were mine has gone to.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: michaelr
Date: 20 May 11 - 12:18 AM

Yes. The issue is consent. Wait until they're 16, or 18, and LET THEM DECIDE.

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 May 11 - 10:51 PM

Gonna have to ban lip and ear stretching, too. And probably should also ban flattening babies heads. All of these have been (and sometimes are) practiced by various American Indian nations, African tribal groups, and so on. Neck stretching, too. And foot binding (although that isn't done much anymore).

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 May 11 - 09:42 PM

Damned right there outta be a law !!

Subject: RE: BS: Cutting It Off In San Francisco?
From: bobad
Date: 19 May 11 - 09:29 PM

There outta be a law!