BS: Israel condemned by UN

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 02:52 AM

Israel as a whole is one of the most racist nations on the planet.
This tells us more about you than Israel.
You made up your mind at an early age and see only that which confirms your prejudice.
Israel has equality and anti-discrimination laws which alone make it better than neighbours who deny ctizenship to minorities like Bedouin and Palestinians and legally discriminate against them in employment, housing etc.

Where did those laws come from.
Those racist Israelis demanded them from their leaders and even the most Right wing parties dare not challenge them.
So why single out Israel.

After 80 years of Arabs killing ordinary Jews and their children you would expect Israel to be racist, but mostly they are not.
So why single out Israel.

Racism in football is found globally, so why single out Israel?

Football supporters are a tiny minority of Israelis, and the racists a smaller group still.
It is bigotted prejudice to denounce all Israeli Jews as racist because of a tiny group of Far Right football fanatics.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 02:58 AM

Guardian headline last week.
"Milan friendly abandoned after players protest against racist chants"
Why single out Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 02:59 AM

Guardian today.
"Massimo Moratti sorry for Inter fans' racist abuse of Mario Balotelli"
Why single out Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 03:03 AM

11 January 2013 19:52. Anzhi Makhachkala defender Christopher Samba believes the issue of racism is 'killing the game'.
Why single out Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 04:21 AM

This thread sums up your whole attitude to humanity.
You have been presented with a mass of evidence of Israeli atrocities, war crimes, mass murder, the fascism of taking whole community and moving them onto a toxic waste dump, or displacing them in order to expend their own power and influence, built-in inequalities towards non-Jews, the regular slaughter of non-combatants - men, women and children - old and young, destruction of homes, the horrendous use of chemicals on ordinary citizens, destruction of hospitals and schools, the persecution and starvation of a whole nation in pursuit of their land,.....
You have accused groups like the UN and Amnesty of Anti Semitism because they have protested the war crimes being committed which are being defended by US vetos, supported by Britain and all the other gofers.
You have described three thousand murdered refugees as "the enemy", in order to explain away Israel's part in their massacre.
Now you totally ignore an officially and carefully carried out report on the Apartheid-like built-in inequalities of the Israeli state, totally at odds with your own land-flowing-with-milk-and-and honey description of what is really happening there.
YOU OFFER NO EVIDENCE WHATEVER TO YOUR VICIOUSLY DISHONEST CLAIMS, JUST DENIAL.
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU'D HIDE BEHIND CAREFULLY SELECTED CUT-'N-PASTES, (SOMETIMES DOCTORED, BUT AT LEAST YOU'D PUT IN SOME EFFORT INTO SEARCHING THEM OUT). NOW YOU SEEM TO HAVE ABANDONED EVEN THAT, REPLACING THEM WITH EXCUSES OF YOUR OWN INVENTION
You show not a shred of humanity for the victims of Israeli terror - they are, in your own words, "the enemy" and deserving of ill treatment and slaughter.
You show no personal understanding or even interest in the subjects under discussion, which you turn into a war of attrition which you will filibust out of existence until your 'last man standing' approach drives away those genuinely interested and concerned who do bring some knowledge and humanity.
You don't even appear to be interested in the subjects you take over and destroy; if you were, you'd show some fore-knowledge - Travellers, British Muslims, victims of Syrian killers, even Ireland, which you claim to have some connection with - you appear to have neither feeling, understanding nor interest in the mass of humanity that you insult by using as a platform for your attention-seeking ego-tripping.
I said earlier that the only reason for taking part in these threads is to allow you to show us what a vacuously inhuman individual you are, but you seem to manage that without anybody's help nowadays.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 06:00 AM

I offer objectivity Jim.
Why call it a toxic waste dump when it is not?
It is dishonest.

That massive spew of hate against me, but not one single challenge to anything I have said, because it is all honest, objective and true.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 07:01 AM

"I offer objectivity Jim."
You offer nothing Keith other than race or culture hatred, your bigoted defence could not in a thousand years be described as "objective"
Anything that (admitted by the state authorities, and by scientist - look up the definition) poisons water is TOXIC - Children playing on or near rubbish dumps of that type and size could easily be poisoned that makes it TOXIC - show how this isn't the case.
The forcible moving of an entire ethnic group to an area where they are likely to be poisoned and where, even if this was not the case, is STATE FASCISM .
"It is dishonest."
No Keith; dishonesty is ignoring researched information, or denying it out of hand without proof - you do that constantly - especially on the last couple of threads - this one in particular where you have not even tried to offer either knowledge nor documented proof.
"hate against me"
I don't hate you Keith - I don't know you, nor do I want to.
I detest the racism and murderous bigotry that you persistently defend.
I also detest what you have done to this forum. Between us we have destroyed thread after thread - I realise my part in this and apologise - I do not apologise for being concerned enough for trying to stop your using Mudcat as a racist soapbox, which is what I have responded to -rabbit-in-headlights.
You, on the other hand, refuse to acknowledge what damage we have done between us - see your gobsmacking postings to the 'Mudcat DISCUSSION@ thread - unbelievable arrogance!!
I defy anybody here to read through the threads that you have dominated and filibusted and claim that your input has not been racist or bigoted - starting with this one and going on tgo your Muslim prejudice, Traveller signs, Syria... et al efforts.
Incidently - you ask why Israel - this forum is about Israel - that is what we are discussing.
But far more importantly, I can think of no greater insult to the dead and Auschwitz and Balsen.... for a mainly Jewish state to behave in the same manner to other races as that which sent six million Jews to the gas chambers - that is what you have persistently defended here.
And you have the nerve to call us Antisemites!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 07:50 AM

There are dumps for toxic waste, and there are ordinary garbage dumps like this one.

Those responsible for the dumps have to make them safe for the neighbours or they get dragged through the courts.

It is not a whole ethnic group being moved.
How big would the dump have to be?
Try to be rational and objective, and stop trying to make it personal again.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 08:14 AM

I defy anybody here to read through the threads that you have dominated and filibusted and claim that your input has not been racist or bigoted

On those threads people did just that Jim.
Remember?
There is no need to make these debates personal.
Just challenge what is posted instead of attacking the poster.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 12:21 PM

It is bigotted prejudice [sic] to denounce all Israeli Jews as racist because of a tiny group of Far Right football fanatics.

Yes, it would be had I done it. But I didn't, did I.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 12:37 PM

""There is no need to make these debates personal.
Just challenge what is posted instead of attacking the poster.""

There is a very good idea. How about you putting your money where your mouth is and responding to what is posted instead of dismissing or ignoring it to chant your mindless "Israel is good, Israel does no wrong, and anyway everybody else is worse" mantra?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 01:19 PM

In former posts I maintained that there were some Israelis who didn't go along with the knee-jerk AIPAC propaganda or the Netanyahu administration. There are enlightened people in Israel who see what their government is doing as a dead-end street.
No country has been able to maintain its reputation as an occupier forever. History will reveal their dictatorial status.

The Palestinians are being persecuted by the Netanyahu regime. The evidence is abundant for this and only those who have a bias are in denial about this.

In must be restated that Judaism is a religion and that this tends to obscure a reasoned approach to the resolution of this issue. You have hot-headed proponents of Israel yelling a lot now as their government's actions are being disclosed internationally. There are many of Jewish heritage or background who condemn Israel's aggression.
Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Norman Finkelstein, Uri Avnery, and others both religious and non-religious are becoming more vocal. Boycott, Sanctions and Disinvestment is one way to deal with Israel's intransigence.

This is not an issue of taking sides. The former violence on the Hamas side has to be taken into account but at the moment, Palestinians have opted for non-violent resistance to make their case. Israel responds by tyrannical violence.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 02:20 PM

Sorry Steve.
It is bigoted prejudice to denounce Israel as most racist because of a tiny group of Far Right football fanatics.

Don, If I missed something it was not deliberate.
I have been fielding a mass of stuff from you three.
Post it again please.

Stringsinger, there has always been vigorous dissent and opposition in Israel.
It is called democracy, and it is the only one around there.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 03:01 PM

Keith said:

It is bigotted prejudice [sic] to denounce all Israeli Jews as racist because of a tiny group of Far Right football fanatics.

But now Keith, realising that this antisemitism slur (from a man who claims he never gets personal) bears not a shred of truth, says this:

It is bigoted prejudice to denounce Israel as most racist because of a tiny group of Far Right football fanatics.

I actually said that Israel is one of the most racist countries.

And I've repeatedly pointed out that the incident in question was not isolated. I showed that football racism is endemic in Israel. And I'm a football fanatic myself (though I'm keeping quiet about Liverpool after last night). If you attend a match and indulge in racist chanting or attacks, you are a fanatic all right but you are not a football fanatic. This is your third or fourth attempt to try to sidestep this issue by pretending it's only footie/an isolated incident/a tiny minority/it's all worse somewhere else/it's just football fanatics. Keith, this has been going on for decades. It has not been addressed. The racism - and racist violence - is directed against Arabs. I think there's evidence here that it shows the state doesn't take racism against Arabs seriously. And why should anyone be surprised by that?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 03:10 PM

It is bigoted prejudice to denounce Israel as one of the most racist in the world because of a tiny group of Far Right football fanatics.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 06:20 PM

""Don, If I missed something it was not deliberate.
I have been fielding a mass of stuff from you three.
Post it again please.""

IF you missed something? If it weren't so bloody consistent I might laugh about that.

And what precisely killed your last servant?

That material doesn't evaporate. It is still exactly where I left it and you skipped past it.

Go look, if you are interested, which I doubt.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,Jim Hawkins
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 06:39 PM

The Middle East has given the world three intolerant and xenophobic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - that the world would be much better off without.

Modern Judaism, or Zionism, follows the mythical example of Joshua, taking land by force and genocide. Among the first victims of the Christian Crusades were other Christians, Semites who happened to look like Arabs. The Koran can be interpreted to inspire suicidal murderers with the promise of virgins in Paradise.

All three play the religion card when criticized, especially the Jews.

All are inspired by a common God who is nothing more than an invisible friend, albeit a malevolent and hateful figment of the collective imagination of past millennia.

Somehow the concept of do-as-you-would-be-done-by has been lost in translation. A plague on all their houses!

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 07:17 PM

GENEVA | Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:43pm EST

(Reuters) - U.N. human rights investigators called on Israel on Thursday to halt settlement expansion and withdraw all half a million Jewish settlers from the occupied West Bank, saying that its practices could be subject to prosecution as possible war crimes.

A three-member U.N. panel said private companies should stop working in the settlements if their work adversely affected the human rights of Palestinians, and urged member states to ensure companies respected human rights.

"Israel must cease settlement activities and provide adequate, prompt and effective remedy to the victims of violations of human rights," Christine Chanet, a French judge who led the U.N. inquiry, told a news conference.

The settlements contravened the Fourth Geneva Convention forbidding the transfer of civilian populations into occupied territory and could amount to war crimes that fall under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC), the United Nations report said.

"To transfer its own population into an occupied territory is prohibited because it is an obstacle to the exercise of the right to self-determination," Chanet said.

About 250 settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, have been established since the 1967 Middle East war and they hold an estimated 520,000 settlers, according to the U.N. report. The settlements impede Palestinian access to water and farmland.

The settlements were "leading to a creeping annexation that prevents the establishment of a contiguous and viable Palestinian state and undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination," it said.

After the General Assembly upgraded the Palestinians' status at the world body, Israel said it would build 3,000 additional settler homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem - areas Palestinians want for a future state, along with the Gaza Strip.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 07:49 PM

That's right, Freda. But just watch the bleating from Israel and/or the US when somebody else defies the UN. North Korea this very day, for example (who I do not defend, I hasten to add - I make the point simply to show the sheer hypocrisy of the US/Israel axis). Or when Iran "threatens" to have a nuclear weapon or two...


It is bigoted prejudice to denounce Israel as one of the most racist in the world because of a tiny group of Far Right football fanatics.

Hello, we seem to have a parrot in the house. No, wait a minute... parrots may keep repeating themselves, just like Keith, but at least they don't do it in the hope of making what they're saying more true...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 02:44 AM

Don, I have gone right through the thread but found nothing.
I think and believe that I have replied to all points put.
I think and believe that your claim is malicious.
If you want my take on something, don't play games, put it up.

Steve, parrots repeat the same thing.
I modified my statement each time to comply with your objection to the wording.
If you have no more objections to the wording, please reply to the substance.

Freda, do you have a comment on the subject of the OP?
To recap, a vicious, evil regime that has been in a legal state of war with Israel for decades, tried to supply powerful weapons to internationally recognised terrorists, in violation of treaties and UN.

Israel was able to prevent the violation, with no collateral damage and little loss of life, and UN appears to be very happy with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 03:59 AM

"Don, I have gone right through the thread but found nothing.
I think and believe that I have replied to all points put.
I think and believe that your claim is malicious.
If you want my take on something, don't play games, put it up."
This is arrogance in the extreme - why on earth should Don, or anybody "put up" anything for somebody who displays both an ignorance and a disinterest in this subject.
You have "replied to" nothing - you have simply DENIED the evidence put up by others - ALL THE EVIDENCE.
You seem to have appointed yourself as some sort of arbiter on a subject on which you have no knowledge whatever, indicating that you have also have no interest either.
Your sole input here has been to dismiss out of hand and without evidence, the knowledge other contributors obviously possess, and to either deny again without evidenc), or totally ignore reports, newspaper articles, eye witness accounts, even statements by Israeli government bodies... that others have taken the trouble to offer to this discussion.
YOU HAVE NEITHER PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SUBJECT, NOR THE ENERGY OR INTELLIGENCE TO GO AND ARM YOURSELF WITH ANY         
Yet you have the astounding arrogance to ask.
"Don, If I missed something it was not deliberate.
I have been fielding a mass of stuff from you three.
Post it again please."
You have been "fielding" nothing - if this is not the case, show us one scrap of credible evidence that you have presented other than 'Israel said they didn't do it your honour'.
"I think and believe that I have replied to all points put."
You have ignored or denied every single scrap of evidence of Israel's war crimes and abuses out of hand (without even bothering your arse to provide any contrary evidence of your own).
You are not an 'expert witness', you are both arrogant and lazy enough to demand that people bring their opinions to you for your consideration - don't psychiatrists have a word for that?
One again you have dominated a subject on which you know nothing whatever - your postings to date tot up to approaching 90 - sometimes in blocks of two, three, four, even five on one occasion - a little short of three times more than any other single contributor here.
"Freda, do you have a comment on the subject of the OP?"
And please don't talk down to other members of this forum who obviously have far more knowledge, intelligence and interest in these subjects than you do - just as you show clearly that you have no understanding of the subject, neither are you a chairmen of this discussion, so please don't attempt to pretend you have the authority or cudos to make demands here.
And by the way - please do not claim this to be a personal attack - it is a comment on your behaviour here and on this forum as a whole - others have pointed this out to you, here and elsewhere and it appears to be deteriorating with every thread you participate in.
But please don't despair - as serious as your case seems to be, help may be available, even at this late stage!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 04:05 AM

Sorry about all the red - finger slipped
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 04:12 AM

That happens a lot Jim.
I always thought it was deliberate.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 05:07 AM

"That happens a lot Jim.
I always thought it was deliberate"
That is an extremely small minded way of avoiding the points purt to you
Answer the questions - mine and everybody else's
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 05:34 AM

OP Keith, do you mean Other Party?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 05:50 AM

Sorry Freda.
I meant the opening post of this thread.

Jim, if you want me to respond to something do not bury it in screenfulls of multicoloured text.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 06:06 AM

"Jim, if you want me to respond to something do not bury it in screenfulls of multicoloured text."
I do not want you to reply to anything - your opinion is of no interest to me whatever.
I do want you justify the fact that you one again you totally dominate a subject on which you have no knowledge whatever, and will, because of your insistence on having the last word, eventually run it into the ground.
I want you to justify your behavior in lying about other people's input into this tread while claiming that you have answered all the questions put to you, you have brought nothing of any interest or substance to this subject.
And most of all I WANT YOU TO STOP ATTEMPTING TO CONTROL THIS THREAD BY TELLING OTHERS HOW TO MAKE YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS - YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY HERE - DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME HOW TO MAKE MY POSTINGS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 06:16 AM

Re what I think of Palestinians, I condemn Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups, such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which conduct attacks on Israel. But I also am equally concerned about Israeli attacks in Palestine.

I don't condemn individual Jews for the actions of their leaders, just as I don't condemn individual Palestinians for the actions of those who choose violence. But I support and respect those Israelis, Palestinians and international peace workers in the area, who act or speak out for peace in the region.

I appreciate I'm lucky to live in a safe country.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 06:24 AM

Thanks Freda. I feel exactly the same, but I do feel that the Israeli action that instigated this thread was justified.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 06:30 AM

Re what I think of Palestinians, I condemn Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups, such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad, when they conduct attacks on Israeli civilians. But, equally, I condemn Israeli land-grabs as well as attacks in Palestine and am appalled by the routine disproportionate response of the IDF and the wanton destruction of innocent Palestinian civilians and their homes.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 11:13 AM

""Don, I have gone right through the thread but found nothing.
I think and believe that I have replied to all points put.
I think and believe that your claim is malicious.
If you want my take on something, don't play games, put it up.""

I have posted numerous accounts, but the most important are the ones I have VERY CLEARLY stated as being from Associated Press via ABC News.

The closest you came to answering ANY of the points therein was your usual mantra "Not true, and anyway Egypt, Syria, Iran (delete inapplicable) is far worse"

You never answer points put to you. You trot out the same tired platitudinous repetition of your standard mantra, "Israel cannot ever be criticised because they are never wrong"

It is useless to deny it when it is obvious throughout every thread you post to.

And to cap it all off, you've just done the self same thing to Freda, ignoring the facts she presented, and telling her off for changing the subject, you arrogant twerp, something that you were busy doing last time I addressed you.

If you really can't find the posts you ignored, try opening your eyes while looking. I'm told that this can be surprisingly effective. I won't suggest opening the mind, as you are clearly incapable of doing so.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 11:20 AM

""Thanks Freda. I feel exactly the same, but I do feel that the Israeli action that instigated this thread was justified.""

You feel that any and every Israeli action is justified, as your posting record on numerous threads clearly shows.

That's why a hollow laugh is the only possible response to your ludicrous claim to share Freda's properly balanced point of view.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 02:51 PM

Don I still can not find a point of yours that I have missed.
If there REALLY is one, stop playing games and tell us what it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 06:54 AM

Trouble is Keith, I spend time reposting what you didn't bother to read and digest, and didn't answer in any comprehensible way, merely nitpicking a single phrase or sentence to deny, and what happens?

The definition of insanity is constantly repeating an experiment in the hope of getting different results.

I'm not going to do it, because I am not the one who is playing games, and I am well aware that you don't want it repeated so that you might answer, but merely to avoid answering as before.

If you want it, GO LOOK FOR IT!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 07:38 AM

So you COULD say what I missed, but you don't want to.
Who will believe that?

If I have missed something say what it is and put me on the spot.
But you can't.
The claim was malicious.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 07:58 AM

"The claim was malicious."
The claim has been made by many people with whom you have debated (sic) that you refuse to read what people place before you, - you have a long reputation of ignoring what people put up because it doesn't suit your case.
You have either denied without proof, or totally ignored anything that doesn't suit your case, then you have gone on to claim that posters haven't provided proof.
This has become an increasingly habitual practice of yours lately.
Should Don bother (I certainly wouldn't) to put up his evidence again, it will be totally ignored, you will continue to filibust this thread and eventually claim that nobody has put up anything to back up their arguments.
This forum is scattered with threads on which you have done this - your efforts on the 'Traveller Signs' thread was breathtaking.
Honesty doesn't appear to be one of your virtues, though, going by your practice of denying things that are in full view for all to see, stupidity certainly is!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 08:13 AM

GREG AND KENDALL.....READ THIS

You two crack me up.....and btw, is "crack up" a pornographic expression?   LOL.....


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 08:15 AM

Do you know what I missed then Jim?
Embarrass me.
Post it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 08:51 AM

Hey, Spaw-

Good old Wendell Phillips, eh? He never gets the credit he deserves.

Be well-

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 09:16 AM

Don't want to "embarrass" you Keith - you're making a far better job of showing yourself as a rabid fanatic than any of us possibly could.
However, as with my offer to Bruce (which he sadly ignored), I'll do a deal with you.
Below is a list of links which you have ignored, or dismissed as "off topic", gullibility on my part, or irrelevant (I particularly liked the description of moving the Bedouins to a toxic site as a "hyped up non-issue")
The list does not include the evidence that came without links; that would easily more than double the total.
You have set yourself up as the proud defender of the Israeli regime and have claimed to have responded to every point.
The deal is - wait for it - I will happily point out Don's input to this thread if you show us how you have addressed this evidence.
I'm feeling in a particularly generous mood today - must have been that tremendous blast of music last night!
Yours in anticipation.
Jim Carroll

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/31/un-panel-concludes-israeli-settlement-policy-illegal-under-international-law/#ixzz2JxSAeUMd
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/31/un-panel-concludes-israeli-settlement-policy-illegal-under-international-law/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2001/11/28/at-last-the-truth-about-sabra-and-chatila-massacres/
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/19/262446/israels-american-license-for-genocide/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/may/09/bedouin-land-culture-israel-resettlement
http://www.davidsheen.com/racism/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_acfNfFkgw
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2012/10/23/survey-of-israeli-racism-58-of-jews-label-their-state-apartheid/
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/resources/briefing-papers/1230-israels-discrimination-against-its-arab-citizens
http://electronicintifada.net/content/un-body-appalled-israels-racial-segregation-policies/11065
http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=296430
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3480345,00.html
http://www.policymic.com/articles/21819/women-s-rights-in-israel-girls-as-young-as-3-face-gender-discrimination
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israeli-rabbis-ban-home-sale-and-rental-non-jews-2010-12-07
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33429.htm
http://www.sciforums.com/BBC-on-Israel-s-Negev-Bedouin-policy-shame-t-71060.html
http://palsolidarity.org/2011/12/khan-al-ahmar-forced-expulsion-of-bedouins-from-area-c/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2011/jun/17/egypt-bedouin-risk-of-exclusion-citizenship-rights
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/israel-cancel-plan-forcibly-displace-jahalin-bedouin-communities-2012-02-08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
http://adalah.org/upfiles/2011/Adalah_The_Inequality_Report_March_2011.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 09:50 AM

Now he'll refuse until you make 'em into blue clickies Jim.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 10:14 AM

Well, y'all can natter at Keith to your hearts' content, but the fact remains that Israel was not condemned by the UN for the attack on Syria. The OP "stretched" the truth a little, and all you straight-forward folks who have chosen to fall in line as soon as Israel is mentioned in any context--whether it's true or not--make your subsequent arguments shallower than they need be.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 10:38 AM

Jim and Don, none of that appeared on this thread.
I have never even been in a discussion of them.

Don, are you no longer claiming I have missed stuff on this thread?

You have both been caught being dishonest again.

"I have posted numerous accounts, but the most important are the ones I have VERY CLEARLY stated as being from Associated Press via ABC News."

Yes, and I responded.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 10:54 AM

"Not true", or "Didn't happen", or "They closed the tunnels", are not answers, they avoid answering.

You routinely post such nonsensical responses to avoid having to justify your attitudes to a multitude of subjects.

A full screen of evidence that there is more than one possible reason gets the response "They closed the tumnnels".

Duhh! We knew that F**Kwit, we were discussing why, and who was responsible.

What do you believe was the constructive contribution to that discussion resulting from your inane comment?

Dishonesty is very much a part of your bag of tricks, not ours. You don't even post opinion any more, just denial, and your input has become a pathetic waste of hot air.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 11:31 AM

Jim and Don, none of that appeared on this thread.
Keith - every single link was cut'n pasted from higher up the thread.
Don't you ever get tired of lying in public?
It's very true that you have never been near them - if you mean you never bothered to read them.
As I said, ignored them; you dismissed them out of hand without proof, - several you responded to as anti-Israeli (implying Antisemitic, one you described as "gullible" and the Bedouin-to-toxic site you described an an "over-hyped non event (after described in glowing terms how well they were treated).
Stupidity = lying with the proof in front of you.
I take it we have no deal then?
999
"who have chosen to fall in line as soon as Israel is mentioned in any context"
Perhaps you'd like to give an opinion on Sabra/Shatila (an example of poor little Israel's take on democracy!
Don
Must learn to do the blue clickies.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 03:43 PM

Jim, Don accused me of missing points he had made.
I had missed none.
I always said that a thirty year old massacre of Arabs by Arabs was nothing to do with this discussion, and I have read everything you have ever posted on that subject over the years.

Don"They closed the tunnels".

Duhh! We knew that F**Kwit, we were discussing why, and who was responsible.

I have no way of knowing, anymore than you or Jim.
The government and security services and military of Egypt have formed a firm impression over the last seven months.
We do not know what it is, but it drove them to close and flood all the tunnels from Gaza.
They obviously do not think it was Mossad!

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 05:01 PM

Anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist are two different things.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 07:38 PM

""but the fact remains that Israel was not condemned by the UN""

TRUE!!....And we all know why!   

The USA vetoes any UN move to bring Israel to heel, because it is terrified of the PRO Israel Zionist lobby inside its borders.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 07:56 PM

""I have no way of knowing, anymore than you or Jim.
The government and security services and military of Egypt have formed a firm impression over the last seven months.
We do not know what it is, but it drove them to close and flood all the tunnels from Gaza.
They obviously do not think it was Mossad!""

At last!! A statement from Keith A that has the ring of truth!!....ABOUT BLOODY TIME!

He ""has no way of knowing, anymore than myself or Jim""

Yet he has decided that his lack of knowledge means Israel were not involved and has, without such knowledge, categorically stated, AS A FACT, his opinion, unsupported by any such knowledge, that Hamas were responsible.

Of course, if Mossad had masterminded a scheme to provide such an excuse to lock down Gaza, Egypt would have responded in the same manner exactly, which is precisely what the Muslim Brotherhood have claimed to have happened.

But Keith, of course, knows better. His idols would never do such a thing, would they?

NEWSWFLASH!!.....They've DONE WORSE, which is where the relevance of Sabra/Shatila comes into play,......as proof that they have DONE MUCH WORSE!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 10:11 PM

TRUE!!....And we all know why!   

The USA vetoes any UN move to bring Israel to heel, because it is terrified of the PRO Israel Zionist lobby inside its borders.
US can only veto Security Council resolutions.
There is nothing to stop Ki Moon making a personal criticism or anyone within UN staring a debate.
No-one has this time.

Yet he has decided that his lack of knowledge means Israel were not involved and has, without such knowledge, categorically stated, AS A FACT, his opinion, unsupported by any such knowledge, that Hamas were responsible.
No.
I just pointed out that Egypt felt it necessary to close and flood all the tunnels from Gaza. A drastic step.