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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:27 AM schools and hospitals were smashed to rubble without justification because some Arab hating fighter jockey didn't want to bring his ammo home? Do you have any reason to accuse Israel of indiscriminate strikes in Gaza, or is that just a knee-jerk response from someone with an irrational hatred? Have you actually seen, read or heard something to justify it, or is the accusation completely made up? I have seen evidence posted on this forum that the proportion of civilian casualties there was not just extraordinarily low, but the lowest of any comparable action in all of military history. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: bobad Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:39 AM "the American donkey ridden by the AIPAC jockey" Ah, I see you've updated "The Protocols" - nice work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:52 PM Have you actually seen, read or heard something to refute it, or are you dumb enough to believe they absolutely never hit the wrong building. From the attitudes expressed by the soldiers we quoted (and you ignored) I'm damn sure they do. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Apr 13 - 02:37 PM Don, " believe they absolutely never hit the wrong building." No, there are HONEST mistakes in EVERY war. But that number destroyed by Israeli mistakes is probably less than the number destroyed by Hamas in Gaza- the last article I read ( in Arab Press) had a picture of the remains of a house torn down by Hamas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Apr 13 - 03:13 PM See what I mean Jack? No possibility that there could exist an Israeli war criminal, according to our tunnel vision Arab haters. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Apr 13 - 03:14 PM And no possibility that Israel is EVER right, according to our resident anti-Semites. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Apr 13 - 03:27 PM Hamas aims rockets at civlians, Don says nothing ( but claims to not approve) Israel aims at the launch sites, and SOMETIMES hits civilians who are there ( since Hamas is commiting the war crime of launching from amid civilians), or sometimes misses the aimed at target , or makes mistakes and hits an incorrect target. THAT Don claims justifies the war crimes of Hamas. So, let us now talk about Dresden, and how England had no right at all to attack Germany at all, regardless of what Germany did in the declared war. Or is it ONLY JEWS that are not allowed to defend themselves, Don?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Apr 13 - 03:27 PM ""And no possibility that Israel is EVER right, according to our resident anti-Semites."" You are a bloody liar! AGAIN! No possibility of any balance from your side, so you have to distort what we say to justify your bigotry. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Greg F. Date: 20 Apr 13 - 03:30 PM No, there are HONEST mistakes in EVERY war. And many more dishonest ones, Mr. Beard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Apr 13 - 05:34 PM Have you actually seen, read or heard something to refute it, or are you dumb enough to believe they absolutely never hit the wrong building. From the attitudes expressed by the soldiers we quoted (and you ignored) I'm damn sure they do. You have provided nothing to suggest that any Israeli strike was indiscriminate. Nothing Don. Goldstone himself said there was no targeting of civilians. You have a prejudice Don. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Greg F. Date: 21 Apr 13 - 06:45 PM I think Beardie needs another dose of paregoric. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Apr 13 - 03:32 PM Hamas aims rockets at civlians, Don says nothing ( but claims to not approve) Israel aims at the launch sites, and SOMETIMES hits civilians who are there ( since Hamas is commiting the war crime of launching from amid civilians), or sometimes misses the aimed at target , or makes mistakes and hits an incorrect target. THAT Don claims justifies the war crimes of Hamas. So, let us now talk about Dresden, and how England had no right at all to attack Germany at all, regardless of what Germany did in the declared war. Or is it ONLY JEWS that are not allowed to defend themselves, Don?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:52 PM ""Israel aims at the launch sites, and SOMETIMES hits civilians who are there ( since Hamas is commiting the war crime of launching from amid civilians), or sometimes misses the aimed at target , or makes mistakes and hits an incorrect target. THAT Don claims justifies the war crimes of Hamas"" Another fucking lie from Mudcats most prolific liar! Don claimed nothing of the sort as you bloody well know you arse. Don claimed, with reason, only that there is evidence that Israel isn't as lilywhite perfect as you and your bigotted mates claim it to be, and you have to lie about what I have said because you cannot find an answer that is in the least credible. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:28 AM We do not claim it is "lily-white perfect." We just challenge your ludicrous accusations and ask for evidence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:47 AM Recent example of ludicrous accusation with absolute nothing to substantiate or even justify it. Wholly and totally made up. A lie born of prejudice and hate. " schools and hospitals were smashed to rubble without justification because some Arab hating fighter jockey didn't want to bring his ammo home?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:56 AM What Israel and UN Gen Sec say. President Peres at meeting with UNSG Ban Ki-moon (20 Nov 2012): "There is no room for comparison between Israel and Hamas. Unfortunately they target civilians, we protect them. They hide amongst their civilian population, we are extremely careful to avoid hitting all civilians. Our army is working hard to avoid harming civilians. Israel left Gaza willingly and totally. Nobody forced us. Hamas is the only one responsible for the suffering in Gaza. Hamas can put an end to it. They can bring calm to their people when they stop shooting. Israel did not start this situation but Israel, like any other country, cannot allow her citizens to become a target. It is against the charter of the UN and basic human responsibility." PM Netanyahu at meeting with UNSG Ban Ki-moon (20 Nov 2012): "Israel is, I think, remarkable in that, when you consider the conditions that we're facing, I think that something almost without parallel in history is taking place. We're conducting these surgical operations against terrorists at a time when our own population is being bombarded by rocket attacks. Unfortunately, Mr. Secretary, Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, and the other terrorist groups, do not share your concern about our civilian casualties or about civilian casualties at all. They're deliberately and indiscriminately targeting our civilians and they deliberately hide behind their civilians. The terrorists target our children and they use their own children as human shields. They place explosives, weapons, other destructive weapons of any kind in schools, mosques, hospitals, universities. Targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians, as you well know is a double war crime. If we hope to make these tactics illegitimate, they should be condemned in the most forceful terms by all responsible members of the international community. The moment we draw symmetry between the victims of terror and the unintended casualties that result from legitimate military action against the terrorists, the minute that false symmetry is drawn, the terrorists win" UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon (20 Nov 2012): "Rockets have hit just outside Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Israeli towns just outside Gaza, killing and injuring civilians. This is unacceptable, irresponsible and reckless. I strongly condemn these actions. Rocket attacks by Palestinian militants targeting Israel must cease immediately." "Rockets have hit areas just outside of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, as well as Israeli towns near Gaza, killing and injuring civilians. I myself visited Sderot and these cities, and met many people, and I was able to witness myself how these people were living in fear and terror. This is unacceptable, irresponsible and reckless. I strongly condemn these actions. Rocket attacks by Palestinian militants targeting Israel must cease immediately." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Apr 13 - 05:42 AM "" schools and hospitals were smashed to rubble without justification because some Arab hating fighter jockey didn't want to bring his ammo home?"" Context is everything, isn't it dickhead? My actual words:- "Even you don't believe that all those buildings were being used by terrorists BB. So how many houses, schools and hospitals were smashed to rubble without justification because some Arab hating fighter jockey didn't want to bring his ammo home? If you say none you are both a liar and a fool." So, thank you for proving not only that you are both a liar and a fool, but that you cnnot ever be trusted to give an honest response to anything. In future I shal ignore whatever you say (as it isn't reliable) and respond only to those who make some effort at honesty. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Apr 13 - 05:50 AM ""What Israel and UN Gen Sec say."" They would say that, wouldn't they? Plenty of evidence has been presented, much of it by Israelis, and it has been ignored or condemned as lies and antisemitism. Hamas tells a different story, as do the foreign workers in the Gaza Strip hospitals. Nobody believes a word of it, and most of America isn't allowed to hear that side of the story. Perez and Netanyahu? If they told me it was daytime, I'd look out the window expecting darkness. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Apr 13 - 05:56 AM So Don, "how many houses, schools and hospitals were smashed to rubble without justification because some Arab hating fighter jockey didn't want to bring his ammo home?" Answer none. No substantiation or even justification. Wholly made up. Why Don? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 25 Apr 13 - 10:45 AM Still waiting for an answer, Don. Hamas aims rockets at civlians, Don says nothing ( but claims to not approve) Israel aims at the launch sites, and SOMETIMES hits civilians who are there ( since Hamas is commiting the war crime of launching from amid civilians), or sometimes misses the aimed at target , or makes mistakes and hits an incorrect target. THAT Don claims justifies the war crimes of Hamas. So, let us now talk about Dresden, and how England had no right at all to attack Germany at all, regardless of what Germany did in the declared war. Or is it ONLY JEWS that are not allowed to defend themselves, Don?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Greg F. Date: 25 Apr 13 - 10:58 AM That's right Beardy, everyone's out to get the Jews, and you're being personally persecuted because you're Jewish. Your paranoia is showing again. [PS- why don't you save yourself all that typing and simply call anyone who disagrees with you or has problems with Militant Zionism an anti-Semite??] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 25 Apr 13 - 11:06 AM Another proven bigot heard from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Greg F. Date: 25 Apr 13 - 01:49 PM I'm disappointed, Beardy! Where's your usual apré-Greg tirade, profanity and name-calling? You feeling a bit under the weather today? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 25 Apr 13 - 05:38 PM ""Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce - PM Date: 25 Apr 13 - 10:45 AM Still waiting for an answer, Don."" If you can't be arsed to read the answers you prat, don't blame the other guy. It's your f**king problem!......:- Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:52 PM ""Israel aims at the launch sites, and SOMETIMES hits civilians who are there ( since Hamas is commiting the war crime of launching from amid civilians), or sometimes misses the aimed at target , or makes mistakes and hits an incorrect target. THAT Don claims justifies the war crimes of Hamas"" Another fucking lie from Mudcats most prolific liar! Don claimed nothing of the sort as you bloody well know you arse. Don claimed, with reason, only that there is evidence that Israel isn't as lilywhite perfect as you and your bigotted mates claim it to be, and you have to lie about what I have said because you cannot find an answer that is in the least credible. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 26 Apr 13 - 02:41 AM We do not claim it is "lily-white perfect." No country is. It just does not target civilians, unlike Hamas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Apr 13 - 09:25 AM Still asking question, Don. YOU have never answered ( or please point to where you have. "Or is it ONLY JEWS that are not allowed to defend themselves, Don??" WAITING, SFB. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Apr 13 - 09:50 AM Or maybe I should use your phrasebook- "Should Jews always let themselves be shot at, bombed, and be the targets of rockets without ever fighting back?" YES or NO? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Apr 13 - 11:50 AM So, Don, will you declare that the Palestinians firing rockets " absolutely never" use human shields? If not, why have you ever complained about THAT war crime? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Greg F. Date: 26 Apr 13 - 12:08 PM Yes Beardy, everyone knows that it is ONLY JEWS that are not allowed to defend themselves. After all, they're the one Chosen People. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Apr 13 - 12:12 PM The ones that some here have chosen to place higher standards on - the definition of bigotry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Apr 13 - 12:55 PM Don, Since YOU are the ONLY one to state "No possibility that there could exist an Israeli war criminal" The rest of us have acknowledged some criminal acts by Israelis, but do not use them as an excuse as you do with Palestinian war crimes. YOU keep making absolute statements that we have never said- this makes you the leading member of our tunnel vision Israeli haters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 26 Apr 13 - 12:56 PM ""The ones that some here have chosen to place higher standards on - the definition of bigotry."" I have never spoken about Jews on this thread as you well know. It is you that insists they be allowed to adhere to lower standards. I, on the other hand, have consistently demanded that THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT and THE I.D.F. be held to the same standards as you demand from the Arabs and Muslims you so detest. So who is the bigot here? If you cannot point to anything of mine in which I state that Jews should not be allowed to defend themselves, then you are the bigot. What is being done in their name by the government and armed forces of Israel has nothing to do with being Jewish, and even less to do with self defence! I'm sick of you stupid clowns wriggling out of admitting the truth by lying and libelling those of us who see through your pretence of reason. I'm out of here! You can continue to swim in your own shit and I hope you drown in it! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: beardedbruce Date: 26 Apr 13 - 01:27 PM " It is you that insists they be allowed to adhere to lower standards. " FALSE statement. I have merely asked that you apply THE SAME STANDARD THAT YOU APPLY TO ISRAEL to the Palestinians- which you have consistently failed to do. YOU have styated that " From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:19 AM Would you not agree John, that any such comparison, C, is irrelevant and invalid? The fact that there are, or were, worse examples of killing cannot be justification of the current actions of anybody." YET YOU THEN bring up Israeli actions EVERY TIME WE DISCUSS Palestinian ones, claiming they are worse. YOU have stated that " " when used to excuse the killings by Israel, is irrelevant and invalid?" BUT ARE VALID WHEN APPLIED TO Palestinian actions This is the bigotry that your posts have displayed. " If you cannot point to anything of mine in which I state that Jews should not be allowed to defend themselves, then you are the bigot." So, your answer to my question is that Jews CAN return fire at the rocket launchers? THAT is not what you have said before- after all, they are launching from "schools, hospitals, and homes" that YOU have stated are ONLY blown up by "Arab hating fighter jockey didn't want to bring his ammo home?" NO mention of being able to defend the Israeli "houses, schools and hospitals" that the Palestinian rockets are targeting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas destroys UN protected site From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 27 Apr 13 - 09:32 AM Off you go then Don. Never once known to make a specific criticism of Hamas. Even defended their vandalism of a World Heritage Site as just "knocking down a few old stones." Attacks Israel for just trying to stop its people being rocketed, but no specific criticism of those firing the rockets. No prejudice though Don, right? |
