BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 03:00 PM

Jim,
"Prove otherwise
Jim Carroll"

I have, every time you dredge it up.
I am happy to go on exposing you dishonesty every time you do it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 02:57 PM

Steve, you said (italics not working again)
"By the way, you alleged that Chakrabarti was promised a peerage in return for a whitewash."

If she was offered a peerage before the report came out, then it is perfectly reasonable to assume it was intended to influence it.

That is why Streeting said it "stinks" and it "undermines" the "remaining credibilty" of her report.

Her interviewer must have known well before about the offer or he would not have raised the issue.
She refused to answer, so she obviously was aware of it too and realised how bad it looked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKutU_BF2Mw

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 02:50 PM

"You have been trying for over 5 years Jim."
No Keuith - I have being doing so for five years, and will continue to do so for as long as I find it necessary.
I'm ashamed to say I now get some degree of pleasure in watcching you squirm and try to lie your way out of your horrendous statement by blaming somebody else than refusing to reproduce what they say.
Yoy suggested Steve was a racist - he isn't, but you are.
You accuse me of making things up - I don't, you do.
You have no self respect and you continue your dishonest behaviour so the next best thing is to allow you to humiliate yourself further by lying publicly and refusing to produce what you claim somebody said.
No public figure has ever tried to implicate the entire British Pakistani population of having underage sex with children because of their culture - you have.
Steve is not a racist - you are.
Prove otherwise
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 02:34 PM

I wll remind you of your vicious attack on the Pakistani people

You have been trying for over 5 years Jim.
It will never happen because your accusations are bollocks.

You dredge it all up several times a year, whenever you are losing and argument however irrelevant to the subject, as here you sad man.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:49 PM

"You have a racist's obsession with skin colour."
I have decided that if you ever erfer to anybodya as a ra=cist again I wll remind you of your vicious attack on the Pakistani people
You have been warned
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:31 PM

"Oh dear Jom, if you were in the Labour Party that remark would get you expelled as a racist according to their new rules and guidelines." Whose new rule guidelines?
The Israelis have torn up any guidelines by declaring all criticism Antisemitic and by declaring all Jewish Critics "self hating" which means their definition of Jewish is an extreme right wing political one rather than an Ethno/cultural one - "Israel uber alles".
No political state has a right to make such a definition and under those circumstance, there can be no acceptable definition.
Israel has in fact declared war on large sections of the Jewish People including Israeli citizens - that is not acceptable.
Now - how about trying to respond to that without the contempt and vitriolic bile that you usually use to disguise the fact that you are at a loss for a half-decent answer!!
And you still haven't responded to the Tory's failure to respond to the calls for an enquiry into racism and Islamophobia - Labour managed it without any trouble
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:06 PM

Jim Carroll - 05 Aug 16 - 10:51 AM

"I put you in the caterogory of people who Israelis including ex leaders of Mossad and high ranking military leaders have described as pursuing and supporting policies comparable with those of the Nazis."

Oh dear Jom, if you were in the Labour Party that remark would get you expelled as a racist according to their new rules and guidelines.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 12:41 PM

By the way, you alleged that Chakrabarti was promised a peerage in return for a whitewash. That this was leaked out. I asked you for evidence of that. I note that you haven't responded. I feel another Wheatcroft episode coming on. Or were you only "speaking generally" again? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 12:35 PM

Round and round and round we go! Back to the good old EUMC definition that was never an official definition, which was pushed hard for by pro-Israel lobby groups and which has been defunct for years. All dealt with, dead and buried in this thread months ago. There was nothing antisemitic in what Ken Livingstone said. He spoke accurately but with execrable timing. No hatred of Jews because they are Jews. Focus, Keith. Antisemitism is all about Jews because they are Jews. It is not about politics or about a country's rulers. Like any large organisation, Labour has an issue with people speaking unwisely or ignorantly. It's just that Labour has had to address it, which it now has. Plenty of rotten apples in the setups you support, don't you worry about that, but they're safe as long as there are no enquiries, aren't they, you hypocrite? You damn well know as well as I do that Ken Livingstone is not antisemitic. Just get real for once, will you. And address your own racism while you're at it. Pakistani mayor, eh? Piccaninnies? Got anything on Maoris, aborigines, redskins or Eskimos while you're at it?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 12:27 PM

Rag,
Merely because the man has darker skin you immediately describe him as a Pakistani.

You have a racist's obsession with skin colour.
That is not where anyone's heritage comes from!

It comes from being born or adopted into a family of that heritage and growing up within that culture, like both Khan and Yasmin Alibhai Brown.

That is why she describes herself as "Pakistani," though she was not born in Pakistan, is a British citizen and is married to an English man.
Does that make her a racist, silly boys?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 11:48 AM

Steve,
So, Keith, tell me what they said that I've dismissed.

That Labour has a long standing problem with antisemitism, something you have denied.
You still refuse to recognise the antisemitism in the hateful statements that have led to expulsions and two inquiries.

First, you're obsessed with it.

No, but I always challenge any racism.

Second, you can't define it.

Yes I can. I use the same definitions as the European Parliament Working Group on Antisemitism.
You can find it here,
http://www.antisem.eu/projects/eumc-working-definition-of-antisemitism/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 11:15 AM

Lord George Osborne - I rest my case
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 11:06 AM

Just say "Lord George Osborne" and rest your case, Jim! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 11:01 AM

Nowhere in this argument has any of the Tory flag waggers responded to the fact that the Tories have been accused of Islamophobia and racism, they have yet to even consider enquiring into it, let alone deal with it.
Labour did so immediately and found no problem - the flag waggers continue to wag their flags claiming Labour Antisemitism
Agenda or what?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:58 AM

Ad hominem stupidity is your stock in trade, both as bobad and as the anonymous Guest-coward. It's rich coming from you, is that.

So, Keith, tell me what they said that I've dismissed. As it happens, you have a far greater problem with antisemitism. First, you're obsessed with it. Second, you can't define it. You find someone who said something about Israel that you don't like then build your definition around what they said. Wacky. And I'll tell you summat else. You've shown your racist credentials loud and proud this week, yet you protest and deny it. Wouldn't you have thought you could have been slightly cleverer than to call Sadiq Khan a Pakistani mayor? Clumsy, was it - or yet another example of your innate racism coming out?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:51 AM

" I put you and and your ilk in the former category"
And I put you in the caterogory of people who Israelis including ex leaders of Mossad and high ranking military leaders have described as pursuing and supporting policies comparable with those of the Nazis.
So there uyou go
You are an extremist of the type that instigated the murder of six million Jews, along with the mentally ill, Gypsies, left wingers and those considered unfit for society - only this time your target is Arabs rather than Jews.
If it's alright with you, I'll go with the holocaust survivor mother of an ex-girlfriend who told me "never again - not to anybody".
People like you have betrayed that pledge
The fact that you are not ashamed of that fact makes you what you are.
You and everyone like you are a disgrace - more-so because you slink behind the six million dead to justify your extremism
Your words spoken from another mouth
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:44 AM

They were fighting people like you with the kapo mentality, who licked the hand that was exterminating them

This statement is hysterical - in both meanings of the word.

I note you become more and more frantic to the point of hysterical delusion in your attempt to smear those who challenge your dearly held ideological dogma - you really should take a few deep breaths and calm you mind before posting such ad hominem stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:34 AM

The Left movement was established by emigre Jews fleeing the 19th century pogroms,

There is a difference between regressive leftists and progressive leftists. I put you and and your ilk in the former category.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:28 AM

Chomsky should stick to linguistics where he has some credibility.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:19 AM

"There you go Steve."
Can't open your link - but the Statement comes from Owen Smith, who is Corbyn's opponent in the laft v right battle for the Labour Leadership
All grist to the political mill
"You have been buried."
Nope - you're the one still up to your neck in claims that British racism of the result of being mirepresented by those who hate Britain
Another claim you and your wannabe-militaristic mate have done a runner from
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:56 AM

It's there for all to see professor

Keep digging, there's a good chap :-)

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:54 AM

Certainly not Greg F.

Right, then, T-Bird - whine all you want, but your total failure to supply any evidence does prove conclusively that you are, indeed, a lying piece of dirt.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:49 AM

Rag,
Keep digging.

No need.
You have been buried.

Now, will you explain your own apparent antisemitism Rag.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:46 AM

From the Labour leadership debate reported in Guardian,

"Labour has been too slow to admit that the party has a problem with antisemitism – something it should be ashamed of, Smith says. "How has this happened?" he asks Corbyn.

Corbyn says many of the cases pre-date his leadership and wants Labour to be inclusive. "
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/aug/04/labour-leadership-debate-jeremy-corbyn-and-owen-smith-in-cardiff-live?page=
There you go Steve.
They both acknowledge that Labour has a long standing "problem with antisemitism."

Why would anyone dismiss what they say and listen to you?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:44 AM

"Maybe among leftist extremists of the regressive persuasion"
So all those who respect Chomsky are " leftist extremists of the regressive persuasion"
Is suppose they are according to extremist right wing Zionists
A reminder that it was the right who condemned six pillion Jews (and regressive left wing extremists) to the gas chambers - you choose your company, I'll choose mine.
The Left movement was established by emigre Jews fleeing the 19th century pogroms, fighting alongside dissefected workers throughout Europe to establish a better world
They were fighting people like you with the kapo mentality, who licked the hand that was exterminating them
Your ancestors must be very proud of you
As they say - you can't choose your relatives, but you can choose your friends.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:43 AM

We don't have to try at all.

To describe a man who was born and raised in Tooting as a Pakistani is all the evidence needed. Merely because the man has darker skin you immediately describe him as a Pakistani.

As he describes himself he is first and foremost he is a Londoner.

I have said it clearly before and I will say it again you are a racist but thanks for the superb confirmation.

Keeping digging !!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:32 AM

Steve,
"Pakistani mayor" is a disgrace. Sadiq Khan is a British citizen,
Oh dear.
Rag,
Classic racism.
A PAKISTANI Mayor ?

What a pair of numpties.
You tried the same smear a few months ago when I referred to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown as Pakistani because she is a British citizen and not born in Pakistan.

How stupid you both looked when I pointed out that she describes herself as Pakistani. It is not necessary to always add "heritage."

If I was was really a racist, you would not have to try so hard to get something on me.
Steve would not have to dredge up a five and a half year old thread and then blatantly lie about it, as he did yesterday.

If only you had a case you could defend in discussion you would not have to resort to lies and smears about me as a person.

Stick to the debate instead of resorting to lying personal attacks, you sad numpties.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:14 AM

it would be the same highly respected Jewish intellectual

Maybe among leftist extremists of the regressive persuasion. In reality he is living proof of the Horseshoe Theory

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:06 AM

"Would this be the same Khmer Rouge apologist Chomsky who claimed that refugees from the Cambodian genocide were "unreliable""
No - it would be the same highly respected Jewish intellectual who has been a long term victim of Israeli propaganda by such organisations as 'The Anti-defamation League'
You forgot to mention the 'respect' in which the ADL is held outside the propaganda circles

"Chomsky is one of the most cited scholars in human history, and has influenced a wide array of academic fields. He is widely recognized as a paradigm shifter who helped spark a major revolution in the human sciences, contributing to the development of a new cognitivistic framework for the study of language and the mind. In addition to his continued scholarly research, he remains a leading critic of U.S. foreign policy, neoliberalism and contemporary state capitalism, the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and mainstream news media. His ideas in these areas have proved highly significant within the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist movements, but have also drawn criticism, with some accusing Chomsky of anti-Americanism and alleging that he is sympathetic to terrorism and genocide denial."

"Academic achievements, awards, and honors
In 1970, Chomsky was named one of the "makers of the twentieth century" by The London Times.[163] In early 1969, he delivered the John Locke Lectures at Oxford University; in January 1971, the Bertrand Russell Memorial Lecture at the University of Cambridge, titled "Problems of Knowledge and Freedom"; in 1972, the Nehru Memorial Lecture in New Delhi;[270] in 1975, the Whidden Lectures at McMaster University, titled "Reflections on Language";[111] in 1977, the Huizinga Lecture in Leiden, titled "Intellectuals and the State"; in 1978, the Woodbridge Lectures at Columbia University; in 1979, the Kant Lectures at Stanford University;[270] in 1988, the Massey Lectures at the University of Toronto, titled "Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies"; in 1997, The Davie Memorial Lecture on Academic Freedom in Cape Town;[271] in 2011, the Rickman Godlee Lecture at University College, London;[272] and many others.[270]
Chomsky has received honorary degrees from many colleges and universities around the world, including from the following:"
Both from his Wiki entry
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:49 AM

Noam Chomsky accuses them....

Would this be the same Khmer Rouge apologist Chomsky who claimed that refugees from the Cambodian genocide were "unreliable" and that "massacre reports were false" ?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:30 AM

"People living in glass houses comes to mind:"
Tour report comes from the Anti-defamation Leage which is nearly as notorious as you for describing all criticism of Israel as "antisemitic"
"The Anti-Defamation League has drawn both criticism and controversy over its priorities. Noam Chomsky accuses them of "having lost entirely its focus on civil rights issues in order to become solely an advocate for Israeli policy". Journalist Mark Arax has criticized the organization's failure to recognize the Armenian Genocide "out of gratitude for Turkey being Israel's one and only Muslim ally".[5] The Washington Post has noted that the ADL has repeatedly accused Israeli policy critic Norman Finkelstein of being a "Holocaust denier" and that "these charges have proved baseless."[6]"
You really scrape the bottom of the barrel for your quotes, don't you?
In my experience, Ireland is notable for its toleration of all religions and races nowadays, certainly since the church has lost its grip.
The one exception is it's disturbing attitude towards Travellers, an attitude shared by Britain and at least one prominent participant in this discussion
By the way, I was born in Britain and lived their pp to 18 years ago.
The Lawrence family's experience of the racist experience of the police was not uncommon and it led to the police declaring themselves "institutionally racist".
You choose to ignore the percentages and put up one man as proof of what exactly
What I have describes is as I described - the experiences of many.
RACISM IN BRITAIN
If you mean by "hate Filled" - yes, I hate you racists - if you are referring to the British people, I most certainly do not
British people are as much victims of the use of racism by the right in Britain as are resident foreigners.
Shortage of work, substandard and overcrowded housing, attacks on "our way of life" - all par for the course by scum like Ukip - the racist nature of the Brexit campaign is fairly typical of that useage.
Before that there was Powell and his "rivers of blood" - even to revealing for the Tories, so they kicked him out as an embarrassment.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:24 AM

Leaked out, was it then? Evidence, please.

I don't care what the NEC or the Chief Rabbi or anyone else says because I can THINK FOR MYSELF. I know what those five said and I know they were idiots but not antisemitic. No-one in the NEC has said that such-and-such is an antisemite. I've repeatedly asked you for quotes to that effect and you've repeatedly failed to come up with any. It's all just your deluded interpretation based on a definition off antisemitism that suits your agenda. As for Shami Chakrabarti, I'm now repeatedly asking you for any dirt on her from her past that you have. You can't, because there isn't any. Prove that she was promised a peerage in return for a whitewash. You can't because that is not what happened. What she said in her critical report is in perfect harmony with what we know the accused people said: there were ignorant comments made, there is an issue that must be addressed but the party is not overrun by antisemitism. Of course it isn't, you clod. Now when you have a minute, perhaps you could address the blatant and farcical cronyism shown by Cameron in his resignation honours. Go on, prove that you're not a bigot and a hypocrite. It'll be bloody hard work.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 07:58 AM

I am pretty certain that Jim is not responsible for anti-Semitism in 20% of the Irish population, even if that figure were to be correct.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 07:47 AM

As I said London is the most racist city I have ever lived in

People living in glass houses comes to mind: One in five Irish express anti-Semitic attitudes

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 07:42 AM

He describes his wife and himself as being Londoners first and foremost. Not Asian first and foremost, not of Pakistani Heritage first and foremost but Londoners.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 07:24 AM

How was my quote selective?
After the election campaign, about everyone in UK already knows, "I was born in London and have lived here all my life. My wife's a Londoner too and we're raising our two daughters here. " just as we all know his Dad is was a bus driver.
I was interested in is opinion of London to compare with Jim's prejudiced and hate-filled statement, "London is the mostr racist city I have ever lived in - ask anybody whose been stopped and searched, or you might try Stephen Lawrence's parents."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 07:24 AM

"Got what Keith exactly Keith?"
Mind your own business - I'll decide whether I' talking to the organ grinder r the monkey?
Children should be seen and not heard
"That your demented, prejudiced view of London is not shared by Khan,"
Can't speak about Khan - don't know his background
My customers had petrol and dogshit put through letter boxes, had their propertied dauded with racist abuse and worried themselves sick about sending their kids to school.
The black kids in families I worked for were regularly stopped and searched by a police force who were reluctantly forced to admith themselves as being "institutionally recist" following the murder of Stephen Lawrence - a decade later they were again forced top admit that little had changed in that period.
I experienced anti-Irish prejudice regularly to the extent that one customer told me "we have Irish neighbors so we check under our car every morning before we drive off".
I regularly hear talk of "dirty Pakis" often from work mates who otherwise, were kind tolerant people.
Workign with Travellers was like being in a war zone, what with local prejudice and police corruption in demanding bribes to let them drink after hours or stay longer on unofficial sites
All this is well documented and acknowledged, by the Travellers and their support groups, which included legal people.
As I pointed out - one their of those asked in a survey a few years ago openly admitted themselves to be racist - all documented again
May not on the privileged Planet Zog where you appear to be a resident.
Bristish racism is a long established legacy of Empire.
"Huh? What over-representation"
Huh - what business is that of yours - I was taking to the monkey - you're forgetting you place again.
"I think you have just made that up Jim."
No - your problem is you never think
Look up the reference on Wiki - you insulting half-wit, part of the quote in in inverted commas m- I leave the "making up to you and Keith.
"In 2011 a number of articles appeared in the British newspaper the Jewish Chronicle that sought to question the work and functioning of the CST. Dr Gilbert Kahn, of Kean University in the USA, took the view that British Jewry did not need a CST because British Jews paid taxes to the state for their physical protection and could therefore depend on the police. On 15 April the JC's resident columnist, Professor Geoffrey Alderman, argued against the CST on the grounds that its leadership and funding were neither transparent nor ACCOUNTABLE. Alderman returned to the subject on 10 June, when he speculated that his doubts about the CST and its work were more widely shared.[6][7]
In May 2014, it was revealed that the chief executive of the CST is the highest paid of all charity leaders within the British Jewish community, earning between £170,000-£190,000 per annum.[8]"
Full quote
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:54 AM

Selective cut and pastes again from the professor. His quote comes from the "My Story" page on Sadiq Khan website.

The whole sentence reads:

"I was born in London and have lived here all my life. My wife's a Londoner too and we're raising our two daughters here. Our family story is one of how London helped us succeed"

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:46 AM

Steve,

The five names you named have not had the badge of antisemitism pinned on them except by apologists of the Israeli regime.

That is the Labour NEC and senior members!

digging up tabloid articles or polemic from the Jewish Chronicle
Tabloids?? I dug up 2 from the Guardian and one from ITV.

from the Jewish Chronicle and the Chief Rabbi?

I have posed nothing from the Jewish Chronicle, but I do think that Jews have a right to be heard on issues of antisemitism.
Presumably you don't!

Have any of you got the slightest shred of evidence that she was offered a peerage in advance in return for a bland report?

Yes. It had leaked out that she was promised one at the time. Plenty of references to that. Why else would she join the Party so soon after being appointed as an "independent" chair, which itself was disreputable.

tell us when her integrity has ever taken even the slightest knock.
See previous answer.

I should think that this disgraceful remark is verging on the actionable.

What about Labour MP Wes Streeting's remark, " let's not pretend that a Labour peerage in these circumstances doesn't stink."

Perhaps he is not a Jew so it is OK.

Jim,
Got what Keith exactly Keith?

That your demented, prejudiced view of London is not shared by Khan, or anyone else in the world.
He said, "Our family story is one of how London has helped us succeed."

It's been revealed this morning that six million adults, one in fourteen of the British population, have suffered physical, mental or sexual abuse as children - you'd have to work hard to beat that over-representation

Huh? What over-representation?

The Jewish(sic) Security trust has been described by The Jewish Chronicle as an unnecessary, self serving organisation.

I think you have just made that up Jim.
"The CST provides security advice and training for Jewish schools, synagogues and communal organisations and gives assistance to those bodies that are affected by antisemitism. The CST also assists and supports individual members of the Jewish community who have been affected by antisemitism and antisemitic incidents. It advises and represents the Jewish community on matters of antisemitism, terrorism and security and works with police, government and international bodies. All this work is provided at no charge.

The CST has recorded antisemitic incidents in the UK since 1994 and publishes an annual Antisemitic Incidents Report. The CST also published Terrorist Incidents against Jewish Communities and Israeli Citizens Abroad 1968-2010, a definitive report of terrorist attacks against Jewish communities around the world.

The CST provides security advice and training for Jewish schools, synagogues and communal organisations and gives assistance to those bodies that are affected by antisemitism. The CST also assists and supports individual members of the Jewish community who have been affected by antisemitism and antisemitic incidents. It advises and represents the Jewish community on matters of antisemitism, terrorism and security and works with police, government and international bodies. All this work is provided at no charge.

The CST has recorded antisemitic incidents in the UK since 1994 and publishes an annual Antisemitic Incidents Report. The CST also published Terrorist Incidents against Jewish Communities and Israeli Citizens Abroad 1968-2010, a definitive report of terrorist attacks against Jewish communities around the world.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:20 AM

"Pakistani mayor" is a disgrace. Sadiq Khan is a British citizen, born in London into a British Pakistani family. It takes just a little effort to get it right and stop being a racist, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:15 AM

"Got that Jim?"
Got what Keith exactly Keith?
Because one individual rises to the top doesn't mean there are not many millions who suffer racial abuse on a daily basis
It is indicated by surveys that one third of the British population hold and have expressed racist views.
I know the commonplace nature of racism in London from working there for thirty years and encountering examples of it on an almost daily basis
Got that Keith
By the ay - regarding your Paistani implant and over-representation claim
It's been revealed this morning that six million adults, one in fourteen of the British population, have suffered physical, mental or sexual abuse as children - you'd have to work hard to beat that over-representation
Ethnic diversity does not mean that racism isn;'t rampant - in fact, the number of non Brits living in Britain is the red rag that you people need to stir it up.
"Kitchener's resignation "
Kitchener was forced to tender his resignation on the basis of his blundering which caused the death of countless numbers of servicemen - which I corrected you on.
"What "racist" attack on Obama?"
Been there - done that - he even apologised for his Alf Garnett like slip.
You know this and your Dalek-like repetition of the question makes you the airhead flag-wagger you are
"The Labour leader has broken a pledge not to nominate people for peerages by handing the lawyer and human rights campaigner a seat in the Lords."
Wouldn't go there after the fiasco of Cameron's honours list, if I were you.
"Her appointment drew fury from Jewish leaders, with the Community Security Trust"
The Jewish Security trust has been described by The Jewish Chronicle as an unnecessary, self serving organisation.
"In May 2014, it was revealed that the chief executive of the CST is the highest paid of all charity leaders within the British Jewish community, earning between £170,000-£190,000 per annum
Now why not gop away and learn some manners and come back when you have overcome your appalling upbringing - you arrogant know-nothing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:11 AM

"Marie van der Zyl, vice president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said it was "beyond disappointing" that Ms Chakrabarti had been offered and accepted the title.

"This 'whitewash for peerages' is a scandal that surely raises serious questions about the integrity of Ms Chakrabarti, her inquiry and the Labour leadership," she said."

I should think that this disgraceful remark is verging on the actionable.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:04 AM

Please tell us, Teribus, who on this forum has said that Boris should be "barred from public office." Join Keith's mind-reading club...

The five names you named have not had the badge of antisemitism pinned on them except by apologists of the Israeli regime. None of them made a remark directed at Jews because they are Jews, which isn't to say they weren't being idiots. Why don't you stop digging dirt and look at what they actually said and THINK FOR YOURSELF instead of digging up tabloid articles or polemic from the Jewish Chronicle and the Chief Rabbi? You make up your own definition to fit the "accused" then you smear away. Not exactly honest.

As for Shami, well let's see. Have any of you got the slightest shred of evidence that she was offered a peerage in advance in return for a bland report? Any at all? Time to put up or shut up. Your lynch mob mentality is getting tiresome. "Oh, it's bleeding obvious innit, who needs more?" is as close as you intellectual giants have got so far. It's true that Labour's spin machine is in the junkyard. Wonder what you'd be saying if we brought Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson back? 😂😂😂. You could start by closely examining Shami's long and distinguished career in public service and tell us when her integrity has ever taken even the slightest knock. Now there's a job for you. A bit harder, you'll find, than making cheap smears.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:43 AM

Pakistani heritage, being son of parents born in Pakistan.
He says, "Our family story is one of how London has helped us succeed."
Got that Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 04:28 AM

" London has a staunchly Labour voting electorate, and has just elected a Pakistani Mayor, so you are talking bollocks as usual"

Classic racism.

A PAKISTANI Mayor ?

Do you mean Sadiq Khan, the one born in Tooting, South London.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 04:27 AM

Guardian today,
"Labour's deputy leader, Tom Watson, has criticised his party's decision to nominate the human rights and civil liberties campaigner Shami Chakrabarti for a peerage, saying it was "a mistake" and that he had not been consulted.

"The timing is not great for the Labour party," Watson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme following Jeremy Corbyn's decision to put Chakrabarti forward, a move that has attracted condemnation from other Labour MPs.

"I wasn't aware, I wasn't consulted whether Shami was going in. I didn't know that we'd provided citations for this particular round, and I do think it's a mistake," Watson said."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 04:24 AM

Guardian on Chakrabarti peerage,

"a number of Labour MPs criticised the party leader's decision to nominate her, given the row over cronyism engulfing David Cameron and No 10.

Wes Streeting, Labour MP for Ilford North, said: "With just one Lords appointment, Corbyn has undermined criticism of Cameron's list and the remaining credibility of his antisemitism inquiry."

Tom Watson, the Labour deputy leader, is understood not to have been consulted about the choice and believes the party should be boycotting the whole system."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 04:18 AM

ITV today, about Chakrabarti being rewarded by Corbyn with a peerage,

"Shami Chakrabarti, former Liberty chief, faced questions about her independence during the inquiry after she revealed that she had become a member of the Labour party.

Ephraim Mirvis(Chief Rabbi) said in a statement on Twitter: "Shami Chakrabarti has a proud record of public service, but in accepting this peerage, the credibility of her report lies in tatters and the Labour Party's stated intention, to unequivocally tackle anti-Semitism, remains woefully unrealised."

"Labour MPs also expressed concern over the appointment.

Wes Streeting, MP for Ilford North, said: "Shami Chakrabarti will bring great experience to Lords. But let's not pretend that a Labour peerage in these circumstances doesn't stink.""

"Marie van der Zyl, vice president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said it was "beyond disappointing" that Ms Chakrabarti had been offered and accepted the title.

"This 'whitewash for peerages' is a scandal that surely raises serious questions about the integrity of Ms Chakrabarti, her inquiry and the Labour leadership," she said."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 04:10 AM

Jim,
As I said London is the most racist city I have ever lived in
Johnson is a racist

London is one of the most ethnically diverse cities on Earth. In 2007 there were over 300 languages spoken in it and more than 50 non-indigenous communities with a population of more than 10,000.
White British are actually a minority in London.
London has a staunchly Labour voting electorate, and has just elected a Pakistani Mayor, so you are talking bollocks as usual.
London would never elect anyone, let alone a Tory, if they believed he was racist.
No-one believes that shit.

Steve,

No-one has named names, no-one has declared that any individual is antisemitic and you allege big cover-ups

Labour has not named names, but we know who some of the 50 are.
It has been declared that all those people made antisemitic outbursts.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 04:06 AM

See the bill's been paid - Jeremy Corbyn has put Shami Chakrabarti into the House of Lords:

"Shami Chakrabarti has been given a peerage by Jeremy Corbyn weeks after her report on anti-Semitism in Labour was condemned as a 'whitewash'.

The Labour leader has broken a pledge not to nominate people for peerages by handing the lawyer and human rights campaigner a seat in the Lords.

Her appointment drew fury from Jewish leaders, with the Community Security Trust, an anti-Semitism charity, saying it was a 'shameless kick in the teeth for all who put hope in her now wholly compromised inquiry.'

Key words for the gang of "usual suspects" on this forum:

'whitewash'; 'broken pledge'; 'wholly compromised inquiry'

Jim Carroll - 05 Aug 16 - 02:44 AM

Back for more punishment:

"Johnson is a serial racist - his racist attack on Obama happened in 2009"

What "racist" attack on Obama?

That idiotic "myth" has been well and truly exploded, even Barack Obama himself said it was not "racist" and he most certainly was not offended by Boris Johnson reporting what someone else had offered up as a possible explanation why a certain bust had been moved in the White House.

Trouble is Jim you only ever read what you want to see, you pay no attention to the text of anything you read.

Examples:

Kitchener's resignation - (Which I corrected you on)
The wrong sized shells (Your original claim - which both Keith A and myself corrected you on)
Boris Johnson wrote that Blacks have lower IQ's - Truth was he wrote no such thing (Which I corrected you on)
"Racist" attack on Barack Obama. (Which I corrected you on)

Loads more Jom - I might even start a thread on Jom's "myths", lies and "Made-Up-Shit".