BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 08:40 AM

"Teribus, if you publicly accuse named people of antisemitism you'd better have chapter and verse. "
Don't ask for the moon Steve - if this pair of clowns had any evidence of Antisemitism they'd have produced it a long time ago. - they both live in their own heads.
Wanna put any money down on whether they'll ever get round to discussing Tory racism - probably thread drift by Keith's reckoning
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 08:22 AM

"Teribus, in the Brexit thread you categorised me as a physical bully after I related how we Catholic primary school kids were allowed to behave towards the Protestant school kids up the road. You forgot that I'm now 65 and might just have moved on."

"Might just have"??? - In general Shaw Leopards do not change their spots - a person's character, especially if it is bad, will not change, even if they pretend it has.

So a point supposedly addressed to Keith A is included in a paragraph that does not mention him by name and begins - "By the way, I hope Teribus is reading this." - It is not me that needs to learn how to read Shaw, it is you that needs to learn how to write........😂😂😂

So Naz Shah was a liar then Shaw? Or is she the only one of some 50 Labour Party Members with the integrity to admit that she was in error through ignorance that was entirely her own?

You are the one that knows nothing related to the matter, the Labour Party's NEC have made sure of that, charges of a "Whitewash" and a "Cover-up" still stand - so much for your claimed honesty, openness and transparency of the Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 08:14 AM

Bobad has suggested that I support the "send 'em back to Auschwitz" brigade. That's enough misrepresentations for now.

Just like you calling me an "Islamophobe"........sauce for the goose, eh Shaw.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 07:07 AM

Teribus, if you publicly accuse named people of antisemitism you'd better have chapter and verse. The reason why no names were named harks back to that good ol' tenet of the rule of law, that you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Neither the Labour Party nor anyone else is entitled to bandy names around unless (a) they are absolutely certain that they have the accused persons bang to rights, or (b) they have a bloody good lawyer. The fact that names were not named could be taken to imply that definite conclusions about the intentionsw of the accused were not possible. Naturally, you'll put your own interpretation on it according to your personal agenda, won't you. Too bad. The thing is, you don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:55 AM

Please learn to read, Teribus. The accusation about Boris was levelled at Keith, not you. Thanks anyway for yet another example of misrepresentation. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:52 AM

Nah then, Teribus, in the Brexit thread you categorised me as a physical bully after I related how we Catholic primary school kids were allowed to behave towards the Protestant school kids up the road. You forgot that I'm now 65 and might just have moved on. 😂 In the last week in this thread Keith has accused me of being a Hezbollah supporter and has repeatedly asserted that I've denied Labour's antisemitism issue (even though I've discussed it here for months until I'm blue in the face and have denied nothing). Bobad has suggested that I support the "send 'em back to Auschwitz" brigade. That's enough misrepresentations for now. Life' s too bloody short.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:51 AM

"Jom's opinion was that no problem ever existed."
Not mine, me little goose-stepper
The enquiriees that were held exonerated the party
The tort party doesn't have the bottle to look into their own racist and sectarian problems and you lot do't even dare to go there
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:39 AM

From Steve Shaw:

"We have both said that, in our opinion, Labour has addressed the issue appropriately. We have also pointed out your hypocrisy in dwelling obsessively on a matter that Labour has dealt with openly and honestly while the people you support, Farage and Johnson, get away without comment from you (except that you defended Johnson's calling black babies piccaninnies, of course 😂) with their scurrilous, xenophobic, racist agenda, replete with lies. I'd say that you have misrepresented us both. Labour addressed the matter seriously and both Jim and I, unlike you, have comprehensively given you our opinions in detail and have denied nothing"

1: Jom's opinion was that no problem ever existed. That wasn't true was it? Seeing as how we happen to have caught you in your "open & honest" mode.

2: Labour hasn't dealt with it "openly and honestly" though has it? No names named, no publication of the report that both you and Jom insists declares the Labour Party to be as pure as the driven snow. Yet the person they tasked with the investigation has detailed recommendations requiring immediate and sustained action by the NEC.

3: I'd love to see an example of this alleged support for Boris Johnson and his ill-advised, sarcastic and reprehensible remarks that I am supposed to have given. But like all your baseless allegations no such example will be forthcoming - that is the true reflection of how honest and open minded you are Shaw. (Note: No examples of - the lying and dissembling that we too often see here. I seem to spend half my time objecting to the deliberate and serious misrepresentations made by you, Teribus")

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:26 AM

BDS - "Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) is a Palestinian-led movement for freedom, justice and equality. BDS upholds the simple principle that Palestinians are entitled to the same rights as the rest of humanity."

Of course Palestinians are entitled to the same rights as the rest of humanity. A simple statement from their leaders that unequivocally grants those same rights to the people of Israel would go a long way towards them achieving their goal.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:24 AM

Simple, Keith. LabourList is not Labour. You were quoting it as a Labour source, which it is not. The Daily Telegraph is a damn sight more loyal to the Tories than LabourList is to Labour, but we wouldn't call it the Tory house journal, would we, unless we were being sarcastic.

By the way, I hope Teribus is reading this. Neither Jim nor I have denied that Labour had an issue that needed addressing. Serious? The most serious aspect of the whole thing, in which a tiny handful out of half a million members made some unwise remarks, was the right-wing media firestorm that was whipped up, aided by the conspirators in the party who are trying to unseat Corbyn (unlike you, the conspirators have moved on to other gambits such as misogyny, threats of violence and bullying. When all that fails only baby-eating will be left). We have both said that, in our opinion, Labour has addressed the issue appropriately. We have also pointed out your hypocrisy in dwelling obsessively on a matter that Labour has dealt with openly and honestly while the people you support, Farage and Johnson, get away without comment from you (except that you defended Johnson's calling black babies piccaninnies, of course 😂) with their scurrilous, xenophobic, racist agenda, replete with lies. I'd say that you have misrepresented us both. Labour addressed the matter seriously and both Jim and I, unlike you, have comprehensively given you our opinions in detail and have denied nothing. All YOU do is quote from cherrypicked sources that fit your anti-Labour one-track mind agenda, well, at least when you are taking a break from defending a terrorist regime, that is. Never an opinion of your own.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:06 AM

"No. The Labour Party did that to itself."
Repeat this as often as you want Keith - they didn't and investigations proved that the accusations were unfounded.
It was taken as a serious issue before the investigations - no basis in reality.
BDS
"Only because you and Steve kept your denials going,"
See above - when a couple of right-wing twerps continue to insist something that has been proved to be false, what do you expect.
I suppose the two of you are refusing to comment on the proven institutional racism of the Tory party on the grounds that it might incriminate you.
Never expected anything else from you 'champions of democracy and fair play'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 05:31 AM

The rest of the world is indeed "moving on", moving on to create an "alternative" opposition by the looks of it if Corbyn wins in September. Looks like yer man is overseeing the destruction of the Labour Party in the UK. Main reason for that being that the ideologues in the Party have elected as leader a man who is totally incapable of being a "leader".

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 05:09 AM

Steve,
If you really think that the general tenor of LabourList is "far left"

I don't and would never even suggest such nonsense.
It is of interest that you subscribe to the daily e mail though.
Now, why did you make an issue of Labour List in this discussion?
What was your point?

Jim,
has valiantly continued to attempt to smear the Labour Party as Antisemitic,

No. The Labour Party did that to itself.
I merely quoted those senior Lasbour figures making their accusations
You and Steve denied it was a serious issue and were proved wrong.

long after the rest of the world has moved on

Only because you and Steve kept your denials going, long after there was anything new to say about it.
It is you two that have kept it alive!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 04:11 AM

"The Labour Party were accused, they responded to those accusations - no evidence was found." - Sez Jom the Infallable

So let's review what subsequently happened shall we:

1: Because no evidence was found by the person asked to carry out this investigation came up with eleven recommendations that required immediate and sustained action - does that strike anyone as being a sign that all was well?

2: Because no evidence was found the person asked to investigate anti-Semitism within the OULC gave a further seven recommendations related to further issues to a separate investigation being conducted by Shami Chakrabarti - does that strike anyone as being a sign that all was well?

3: Labour's National Executive Council for reasons best known to themselves decided not to publish Baroness Royall's Report that according to Jom proves conclusively that no evidence of anti-Semitism was found - rather strange that don't you think? If the report gives the OULC a clean bill of health why not publish it? - Reeks of "cover-up".

4: Naz Shah must be a self-confessed liar - but I don't think she is.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 02:38 AM

""deliberate and serious misrepresentations""
Where to start?
All this aside, this little band of heroes - a blustering bully, a vitriol-hurling troll and a Uriah Heep wannabe, has valiantly continued to attempt to smear the Labour Party as Antisemitic, long after the rest of the world has moved on - as with the previous campaign, they have failed miserably.
The Labour Party were accused, they responded to those accusations - no evidence was found.
Back in May the Conservative Party was accused of Islamophobia - they immediately sprang into action ans did...... nothing; no enquiry, no response... nothing after three and a half months.
Which twin wes the Toni, as the old ad used to say.
After Theresa the Teaser's Night of the Long Knives, Britain got itself a semi-articulate racist foreign secretary who still refers blacks as "piccanninnis" with "watermelon smiles".
The newly incumbent foreign secretary hit the headlines not too long ago by refering to the President of the U.S's "Kenyan background", harking back to the 2008 dirty tricks campaign which alleged that Obama was really a Kenyan born dual citizen and so, illegible for office.
All of which puts quibbling about the position of an in-house magazine where it belongs - a diversion.
And now comes a short period of talking-down to by our resident mental midget.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 01:49 AM

Steve Shaw - 29 Jul 16 - 04:10 PM

"I never object to free speech. I object to the lying and dissembling that we too often see here. I seem to spend half my time objecting to the deliberate and serious misrepresentations made by you, Teribus"

IF that be the case Shaw give us an example of such "deliberate and serious misrepresentations"

Now then Folks my bet is that he won't - "Free Speech" Shaw is great at making up and throwing baseless accusations about - but when challenged can never back them up - this one will prove to be no exception.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:43 PM

Nope. It just that you're not worth it. And stop copying my 😂😂😂. Try to come up with something original. Oh sorry, I forgot. You only copy stuff from extremist right-wing websites. One day, when you finally get out of your teenie mindset, you might just start thinking for yourself. Few signs so far. It's a hard life here with the big boys, innit? Trouble is, you got off to such a bad start with your weasly, cheating double identity. As I said, grow up. In the meantime, just bugger off until you find something sensible to contribute, why don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 06:39 PM

Is that all the invective you can come up with? You can do better than that, you're slipping. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 06:34 PM

QED? You never demonstrate anything other than what a two-faced, two-timing, cheating, racist, antisemitic, Islamophobic, immature coward you are. Apart from that, you're fine. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 06:22 PM

Grow up. = QED

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 05:54 PM

POINT THREE.

However, given that Baroness Royall is a well educated and very experienced Politician I doubt very much that she was careless in her choice of vocabulary.

I would suggest that when she referred to "the student body" she implied "the student body" she referred to the students of Oxford University.

Of course if someone hasn't achieved a university level education they may not realise or even be aware of this.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 05:42 PM

POINT TWO

I had thought professor, that as you claim to have been a teacher, you may have achieved a degree level education. Perhaps I was mistaken and you were one of the teachers (some of which I encountered) who merely attained a Cert Ed.

Anyone who went to a university would recognise the term "the student body" as referring to the students who attended a particular college.

Teribus pontificates that Baroness Royall did not canvass the students of Oxford (how he reached that opinion I do not know) but I will acknowledge the point as being reasonable, however I very much doubt if she canvassed the members of the Oxford University Labour Club.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 05:30 PM

POINT ONE.

From the professor " Rag, Yes, she should have said, "The Oxfoand not just "the student body."rd University Labour Club student body"

Did I really type that ? If so my humble apologies. I know I make mistakes on occasion (normally after a pint ... or three)

But perchance it was an attempt at a selective cut and paste (again) or perhaps it was a downright attempt to alter my post.

If you can't be bothered to even cut and paste correctly why on earth should anyone pay the slightest heed to the things you type. Why do you even bother.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 05:06 PM

Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 04:58 PM

serious misrepresentations made by you, Teribus, bobad and akenaton.

serious misrepresentations = trolling = challenging my bullshit = boo hoo.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 04:13 PM

Content-free side-swipe from Teribus. Maybe he's had a long day, poor dear. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 04:10 PM

I never object to free speech. I object to the lying and dissembling that we too often see here. I seem to spend half my time objecting to the deliberate and serious misrepresentations made by you, Teribus, bobad and akenaton. As for quotes that can't be challenged, well, Keith, we know that in nearly every post you make you appeal to some authority or other, so you would say that, wouldn't you?   As for me, I don't care who says stuff. To me, nothing is beyond challenge.

Good example of your misrepresentation: "You are evidence that it is relevant to people like you on the far left of the movement." If you really think that the general tenor of LabourList is "far left" then you really are in cloud cuckoo land. In fact, I take very little notice of it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 04:05 PM

Raggytash - 29 Jul 16 - 11:14 AM

"Teribus, I know I shouldn't have expected you to know this but in University circles the term, "the student body" refers to students at a university"

Now was Baroness Royall delivering her report to those in "university Circles" or was she asked to conduct her Inquiry by those in "University Circles" Raggy? No she was asked to investigate anti-Semitism within the Oxford University Labour Party and that is exactly what she did, she did not go about generally canvasing the students in Oxford.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 04:00 PM

Steve Shaw - 29 Jul 16 - 09:16 AM

"Stop acting like a baby, bobad. Unless you're about fourteen you should be realising by now that the world is never black and white."

It damn well seems to be when it suits your purposes Shaw.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 03:03 PM

Correction. Sorry.

Rag,
Yes, she should have said, "The Oxford University Labour Club student body" and not just "the student body."
She probably felt it unnecessary because everyone knew which student body she meant because everyone except you understood that she was specifically and only enquiring into the OULC and not the whole university student body of many thousands with no connection whatsoever to the Labour Party!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 02:59 PM

Rag,
Yes, she should have said, "The Oxfoand not just "the student body."rd University Labour Club student body"
She probably felt it unnecessary because everyone knew which student body she meant because everyone except you understood that she was specifically and only enquiring into the OULC and not the whole university student body of many thousands with no connection whatsoever to the Labour Party!

Steve, I do not use it as a Labour mouthpiece, but it has provided me with many quotes of senior figures that can not be challenged.

It is a bunch of people who purport to be broadly centre-left who support the concept of a centre-left party in power
No it is not. Its readers and contributors come from across the labour movement.
It fulfils the role of a house journal for the labour movement. You are evidence that it is relevant to people like you on the far left of the movement.

But tell us Steve, what quote from Labour List do you object to and why?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 11:37 AM

Keith, I understand fully how you need LabourList by your side as a commentary on all that's wrong with Labour (they don't pull their punches, do they, so quite handy for you), but it is most decidedly NOT a house journal. It is a bunch of people who purport to be broadly centre-left who support the concept of a centre-left party in power (there is only one possibility, of course). As for "it provides that role and there is no other," that logic is laughable. Who says there has to be one? As for my not knowing it wasn't Labour, well as I receive the daily newsletter that would be rather odd. 😂😂😂 Anyway, the point is that it is is not as close to Labour as you want it to be, and using it in any way as a Labour mouthpiece is simply out of order. As for liars around here, there are only two, and you are both of 'em. 😅

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 11:14 AM

Teribus, I know I shouldn't have expected you to know this but in University circles the term, "the student body" refers to students at a university. Nothing more, nothing less. Not to members of specific group or club.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 10:05 AM

steve,
LabourList is not the house journal because it is not in the house.

It is independent but it is in practice the house journal.
It provides that role and there is no other.
All blogs and posts come from within the movement.

Why don't you just admit that you thought it was a Labour Party publication until I told you it wasn't?

Because it would not be true.
Two months ago I had not even heard of it, and I would not quote an unknown site without clicking the "about" button.
Your first response actually suggests that you did not know it was independent Steve.


The relationship with Labour is no more than tangential.

Completely false.
Read the page you quoted. It makes a liar of you.
Read from the site itself.
That does too.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 09:25 AM

LabourList is not the house journal because it is not in the house. The party has no say as to the content of its blogs. Why don't you just admit that you thought it was a Labour Party publication until I told you it wasn't? The relationship with Labour is no more than tangential. I'm amazed that you're so keen to quote Ed Balls.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 09:23 AM

"it's what some people do when they are caught with egg on their face"
Yeah sure - you and teribus strut around like a pair of jackbooted thugs hurling your insults - neither of you have the bottle to defend your statements and you howl like whipped dogs when people don't take you seriously.
Behave like adults and maybe, just maybe, you'll be treated like one
Try this old one for a start - do you believe, along with the Israeli justice minister, that any criticism of Israel is Antisemitic
If you don't, then on what grounds do you claim that people who have never attacked Jews or their religion can be described as Antisemites
Your starter for ten - take your time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 09:16 AM

Stop acting like a baby, bobad. Unless you're about fourteen you should be realising by now that the world is never black and white. I don't approve of anybody's "send them back to Auschwitz" sentiment and no-one here has the slightest cause to level that at either me or Jim. But that doesn't mean I have to take the hysterical ranting of a near-lunatic as my source. And if you can't see that Teribus is doing nothing more than pointlessly fannying around with words, then if anyone around here has egg on their face, it's you. In fact, egg on both your faces. Cor, bet you miss being the anonymous sniper, don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 08:21 AM

"Jom?"
If people insist on bringing children onto this forum, would they please try to control them?
I told you - if you want to be treated like an adult, behave like one.
Jim Carroll

Lol.....this is called deflection......it's what some people do when they are caught with egg on their face.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:57 AM

Rag,
So provide a link to your quote "although the report's author has said the student body has a "clear cultural problem" around the topic"

Just google the text.
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/royall-clears-oxford-university-labour-club-of-institutional-anti-semitism/

It is not "the house journal.It publishes or links to many items that make extremely uncomfortable reading for Labour.
Yes it is. House journals do.
Where else can you go to read reports of NEC meetings?
The 2009 "spat" was brief and instantly forgotten, as is made quite clear by the rest of the page that Steve cherrypicked his sentence from!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LabourList
"On 29 January 2010, Labour cabinet minister Ed Balls MP said in interview that "LabourList is flourishing and agenda setting, and that's very powerful. It's brought a huge change over the last year. Two years ago, we weren't on the field when it came to new media. Now, I think we're ahead of the Tories in new communications. Our people are younger, they're in the real world, they're young parents or they're students, so we ought to be ahead of them in new communications. LabourList and Left Foot Forward are really, really good. A year on from Labour people really grasping this stuff, the reality is now reflected in what's going on." "

"The site features breaking news, analysis, opinion, policy and ideas from a broad cross-section of the Labour movement from activists to cabinet ministers, in addition to regular editorials and posts by the sitting editor and a core group of columnists, which include Paul Richards and Anthony Painter. Government ministers who have blogged on the site include Peter Mandelson, Ed Balls, David Miliband, Ed Miliband and Douglas Alexander."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:44 AM

"Jom?"
If people insist on bringing children onto this forum, would they please try to control them?
I told you - if you want to be treated like an adult, behave like one.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:41 AM

No surprise that Shaw and Carroll mock the Israeli ambassador's letter to Sinn Fein. I'm sure they also approve of Sinn Fein's "send them back to Auschwitz" sentiment.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:20 AM

Jim Carroll - 29 Jul 16 - 05:03 AM

"Noe nof those recommendations refer to serious anti Semitism"

None of them had to did they Jom?

What was Baroness Royall's remit from Labour's NEC? She mentions it in her opening sentence of her Report:

"I was asked by the National Executive Committee of the Labour Party to examine the allegations of antisemitism that arose surrounding Oxford University Labour Club (OULC) after the resignation of a former co-Chair."

Where in that does it say that she was asked to look into allegations of "serious" anti-Semitism Jom? "Serious" anti-Semitism, "Semi-Serious" anti-Semitism, "Mild" anti-Semitism, how many differentiating categories apply in your rather warped mind Jom? Anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism and THAT was what Baroness Royall was asked to look into.

So what else do you think, after having been given that remit, she would refer to in her Report? Having been specifically requested to examine allegations of anti-Semitism you would think that she would not have to pre-fix everything with the word anti-Semitism - would you?

Anti-Semitism is however specifically mentioned in five out of the seven issues she recommends Shami Chakrabarti to look into.

Of the eleven recommendations she urges immediate and sustained action on specifically mentions anti-Semitism are seen in six of them, others relate to racism (Which includes anti-Semitism), criminal activity and equality.

Labour's NEC have decided that the Report will not be made available to the public, they have decided that the Full Report will not be published - care to suggest why, if there is nothing to hide? Just because no names have been named under these circumstances does not mean there was no problem - the whole things absolutely reeks of cover-up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:17 AM

It certainly isn't worth taking that ridiculous link any further. Wouldn't mind betting that even Keith's squirming. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:11 AM

"Hey Carroll, are you a supporter of Sinn Fein?
Hey Bobad - are you a supporter of the British national Party?
Your policy towards the Jewish people are not unsimilar
Only fascists and the Israeli regime (supported by you), blame the Jewish People for massacres and human rights atrocities.
As I told your brutish mate, if you can't enter into these discussions with a degree of respect, sling your hook.
It is not particularly impressive and extremely cowardly to thurl insults anonymously from behind a keyboard - I trust your family is very proud of having a hero like you in their midst.
These arguments really do drag them up from the lower depths, don't they.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:08 AM

"Hey Carroll, are you a supporter of Sinn Fein?"

Don't tell him, Pike! 😂😂😂

The hysterical stuff in your link is so ridiculous as to be comical. I must say, your judgement isn't up to much. You gave us a link yesterday that was at least worthy of a read but today you give us a rant worthy of Basil Fawlty at his finest. Try to think about your reputation is my advice. Not that it's worth trying to rescue.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 06:59 AM

The LabourList spat, 2009, from wiki. Was in a rush earlier on. My car wasn't working. It is now.

On 11 April 2009, it was reported by the Daily Telegraph that Gordon Brown's special adviser, Damian McBride had sent a series of emails to former LabourList editor, Derek Draper, discussing plans to set up a blog which would be used to post false rumours about the private lives of senior members of the Conservative Party.

McBride resigned later the same day, and 10 Downing Street issued an apology for the "juvenile and inappropriate" emails. Gordon Brown later sent personal letters to those who had been mentioned in the emails, expressing his regret over the incident.

In the wake of the incident, Labour sought to distance itself from LabourList owing to its connection with Draper. Draper also came under pressure to resign his post as editor of LabourList. Peter Oborne criticised Draper's failure to resign and his continued association with the site as "morally revolting".

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 06:54 AM

Hey Carroll, are you a supporter of Sinn Fein? Just wondering because I came across this item: Israel's Reply To Provisional Sinn Fein sbtitled "Irish Nationalist Antisemitism Raises Its Ugly Head, Yet Again!" and recognized you and your spew in their neo Nazi like ideology.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 06:45 AM

Raggy, the ONLY Student body subject Baroness Royall's Inquiry was the Oxford University Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 05:03 AM

""eleven recommendations for immediate and sustained action"
Noe nof those recommendations refer to serious anti semitism, they are no more than a check on the use of language in an atmosphere which has been created by a situation where the lines between what it and is not antisemitic has been blurred by a deliberate campaign to make All criticism of Israel an attack on Jews - read Bobad's vitriol, if you want a perfect example of this.
Nobody has been named, nobody has been disciplined - even the right-wing press have not bothered to pursue this matter further.
If the there had been the slightest hint of a serious problem, right wing rags would have jumped in with both feet screaming "Labour Jew haters" - we leave that to the three right wingers here.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 04:45 AM

Look it up, Keith. They fell out over a spat in 2009 when Gordon Brown was screwing up. The idiot Damien Barber was also involved. It is not "the house journal." It publishes or links to many items that make extremely uncomfortable reading for Labour.