Subject: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Ran Coleman Date: 25 May 97 - 03:49 PM I have th words to this song that my mother used to sing, but I've never heard any reference to it from anyone else. Does anyone know of a good recording of the song? ran_coleman@juno.com |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: H. Burhans Date: 25 May 97 - 04:45 PM I had a recording of this tune on a Brother's Four album when I was in high school. Don't know the name of the album but I loved it at age 13 - I'm 42 now if that gives you an idea of the vintage! H.Burhans |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Barry Finn Date: 25 May 97 - 07:58 PM I think Sweeny's Men or the Bothy Band did a great recording of The Raggle Taggle Gypsy, years ago. It's in the database under Gypsy, you'll find The Gypsy Laddie (Johnny Faa- Child #200), Black Jack Davey and Gypsy Davey with some info. In 1624 a gypsy chieftain with the common Romany name, Johnny Faa was hung by Scottish officals. No connection was ever established between any gypsy and a wife of the Earl of Cassilis as recorded in song. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Petra (pacosgrove@fortlewis.edu) Date: 26 May 97 - 06:23 PM Ran - It will be hard to find, but if you can find it, there is a band named "Shaman" that does an unbelievable version of it.. Unfortunately, I can't recal which album it's on.. :) Good luck on your search! :) Petra |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Peter Timmerman Date: 26 May 97 - 09:10 PM The first chapter of Nick Tosches wild book on the roots of country music "Country" is all about the history of this song through about 2000 years. He traces it back to the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice! Yours, Peter |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Paul Kennedy Date: 16 Jun 97 - 05:21 PM The Irish Descendants have a good version of The Raggle Taggle Gypsy on their album titled Gypsies & Lovers. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Ran Coleman Date: 16 Jun 97 - 09:33 PM Thanks to all of you for your help on this. I've been exploring to see if I can find some of the recordings you've mentioned. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Coralena Date: 17 Jun 97 - 11:49 AM Now I am curious about this song. Could you please post it? |
Subject: Chords Add: THE WRAGGLE TAGGLE GYPSIES From: Gene Graham Date: 17 Jun 97 - 12:06 PM Here's one short version. THE WRAGGLE TAGGLE GYPSIES
Once there [C#m] were three gypsies |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: dick greenhaus Date: 17 Jun 97 - 03:38 PM We have quite a few versions of the song (Child #200). Search the database for #200 or gypsy.. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Una Grey Date: 17 Jun 97 - 03:41 PM The Waterboys also have a good version on their Room to Roam album |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Susan of DT Date: 17 Jun 97 - 07:53 PM If you search for "#200" you will find LOTS of versions of Gypsy Davy. It is a very popular ballad |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Ricky Rackin Date: 17 Jun 97 - 09:19 PM Stefan Sobel [yes, the cittern-maker!] sang "Seven Yellow Gypsies" Seven yellow gypsies stood in a row And by them came my lady-o She was the fairest of them all And she's gone with the seven yellow gypsies-o More.... if anyone's still pulling on this thread Ricky |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Rosslyn Clayton Date: 19 Jun 97 - 04:58 AM I have a cd called The Songs of Scotland from Emporio EMPRCD590. On it is the song Raggle Taggle Gypsies sung by Kathleen MacDonald. Happy hunting. I would be interested in the words of the song as well. Rosslyn Clayton R.Clayton@mailbox.uq.edu.au |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Rosslyn Clayton Date: 19 Jun 97 - 05:16 AM I have a cd called The Songs of Scotland from Emporio EMPRCD590. On it is the song Raggle Taggle Gypsies sung by Kathleen MacDonald. Happy hunting. I would be interested in the words of the song as well. Rosslyn Clayton R.Clayton@mailbox.uq.edu.au |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Bo Date: 20 Jun 97 - 01:19 PM Christy Moore has a good version of this song on his album "Prosperous". bo |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE TRAVELLING SALESMAN (Alan Foster) From: Alan of Australia Date: 20 Jun 97 - 07:02 PM G'day, Here's a version I bet you haven't heard - The Australian version! I've just changed the country and century.
THE TRAVELLING SALESMAN
by Alan Foster, 1989
A travelling salesman came knocking on the door
Late that night when the yuppie came home
Well he thought that the note would tell him that
So he ran to his Porsche in the triple garage
Oh he drove north and he drove south
Oh how could you leave your fine waterbed
What care I for my fine waterbed
The North Shore is an affluent area of Sydney. Cheers, |
Subject: Lyr Add: RAGGLE-TAGGLE GYPSY / WRAGGLE-TAGGLE ... From: Ran Coleman Date: 22 Jun 97 - 12:20 AM Here are two slightly different versions. One may be from the database -- I'm not sure where I got it: THE RAGGLE-TAGGLE GYPSY
There were three gypsies came to our door.
It was upstairs, downstairs the lady went,
It was late that night when the lord came in,
"Well, saddle for me my milk-white steed.
Well, he rode east, and he rode west.
"Tell me, how you could leave your goose-feather bed,
"Well, what care I for my goose-feather bed,
"Tell me, how could you leave your house and your land,
"Well, what care I for my house and my land?
There were three gypsies a-come to my door,
Then she pulled off her silk finished gown,
It was late last night when my lord came home,
"O saddle to me my milk-white steed,
O he rode high, and he rode low.
"What makes you leave your house and land?
"What care I for my house and land?
"Last night you slept on a goose-feather bed,
"What care I for a goose-feather bed, |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: LaMarca Date: 25 Jun 97 - 02:25 PM Great parody, Alan! Have you seen "The Beatniks and the Hippies" (it's in the DT)? It's a slightly dated up-dating of Wraggle Taggle, I think from Victoria or Vancouver, British Columbia... |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: LaMarca Date: 25 Jun 97 - 02:31 PM Forgot to add, Elizabeth Scarborough, the fantasy writer, wrote a fun novel based loosely on Child 200, called "Song of Sorcery". It opens with a minstrel very nearly getting himself in DEEP trouble when he sings the latest gossip ballad about the lord's wife running off with the gypsies, only to find that the lady's sister is in the audience. She is NOT pleased to hear her sister's reputation besmirched - and she's a witch... The book (and its several sequals) are funny and fun to read. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: kiwi@unagi.cybernothing.org Date: 26 Jun 97 - 02:33 PM Unfortunately, I haven't yet gotten my hands on it, but a minstrel group called Double Indemnity did a beautiful version of this song. If anybody's gone go the PA or NJ Faire in the past couple years, you might have seen them wandering around and heard this. I'm considering writing to the group to ask them to send me a copy of Raggle-Taggle Gypsy.. the first version one hears of a song is usually the one held most dear... |
Subject: Lyr Add: RAGGLE-TAGGLE GYPSY From: GUEST Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:54 PM A version from the Irish Descendants:
Ah there were three old gypsies came to our hall door.
It was upstairs and downstairs the lady went,
It was late that night when the lord came in,
"Oh, saddle for me, me milk white steed.
So he rode east and he rode west.
"Oh, why did you leave your house and your land?
"Yerra, what do I care for me house and me land?
"Last night you slept in a goose-feather bed
"Yerra, what do I care for a goose-feather bed?
So he rode east and she rode west. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 10 Mar 00 - 01:37 PM Ewan MacColl did a wonderful unaccompanied version on one of the disks of _The English and Scottish Popular Ballads_ (the Child ballads), available from Smithsonian- Folkways in either CDs or tape. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: kendall Date: 10 Mar 00 - 02:05 PM The Tannehill Weavers did a great job on this.. Gordon Bok used to sing it, and his version went ..one sang high and another sang low, one sang Bonnie Bonnie Biscay oh.. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GeorgeH Date: 10 Mar 00 - 02:07 PM Wasn't this track which the (BBC, UK) Radio 2 Folk Awards voted the year's best? Done by Waterson/Carthy . . . Though for my money their version doesn't come close to Martin Simpson's recent performances of it. And, as noted, there are MANY variants of it. G. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: kendall Date: 10 Mar 00 - 02:09 PM Gordon Bok used to sing it, and his version went ..one sang high and another sang low, one sang Bonnie Bonnie Biscay oh.. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Elektra Date: 10 Mar 00 - 03:11 PM Kiwi: I'll be seeing Double Indemnity sometime in the next few weeks and I'm planning to pick up a couple of their CD's myself! I've seen them many times -- they are a LOT of fun. BTW, I'm not sure, but I think you can order some through their website at www.doubleindemnity.com *elektra*
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Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Gypsy Date: 10 Mar 00 - 04:25 PM Oh yeah! Minstrels of Mayhem do a great rendition of this old Child ballad. Check it out at thier website, www.minstrelsofmayhem.com. I think they have midi clips |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Kim C Date: 10 Mar 00 - 04:50 PM There's a good recording on A Present From the Gentlemen by John Roberts and Tony Barrand. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Willie-O Date: 10 Mar 00 - 05:39 PM Also look for versions of "Black Jack Davey". Arlo Guthrie sings an Americanized version (with a horn section--cool!) which I think was adapted by Woody hisself. Used to hear it on the radio a lot (70's) so it may even have charted! Starts: It was late last night when the boss came home Willie-O |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: rangeroger Date: 10 Mar 00 - 10:00 PM Wiilie-O: Have you heard Dave Alvin's version? Album titled the same;" Black Jack David" rr |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Mar 00 - 12:30 AM I'm surprised that nobody seems to have mentioned Planxty's recording (on their first album), which I suspect is where the Irish Descendants got theirs -right down to the interjected "Yerra"s! As for "Seven Yellow Gypsies", Martin Carthy did a rather fine take of that on "Prince Heathen". Malcolm |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: roopoo Date: 11 Mar 00 - 01:27 AM There is also the "Gypsy Rover" which is of the same ilk. It's not one of my favourite versions, though. It's the one where the chorus goes Ah-de-do, ah-de-do-dah-day, ah-de-do-ah-de-day-dee. He whistled and he sang till the green woods rang, and he won the heart of a lady. It is not one of my favourites, and I think that chorus has a lot to do with why! Somewhere I have a few sheets of "Raggle Taggle Gypsy" song lyrics, but I can't find them. (Typical). There would pribably be nothing new on. I think it even has the hippies and beatniks version too! mouldy |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 11 Mar 00 - 09:18 PM and then there's GYPSIES, TRAMPS AND THIEVES by Chair. But seriously the ve |
Subject: Lyr Add: CLAYTON BOONE (from Harry Jackson) From: Art Thieme Date: 11 Mar 00 - 10:54 PM "7 Yellow Gypsies" leads off Nic Jones recent CD. Also---HARRY JACKSON on his 2-LP set of cowboy songs on Folkways, HARRY JACKSON---THE COWBOY (his songs and brag talk), did a classic western version of this song----Here it is. "CLAYTON BOONE".
'Twas way out in New Mexico along the Spanish line
He rides in and asks of me, "What's happened to my lady?"
"Go saddle for my proud cut dun with the coal black mane and tail
I'll bridle on my leather chaps--I'll tie my pistol o'er,
I rode upon a saddle fine --a saddle made o0f silver,
I rode until the midnight sun -- 'til I saw their campfire burnin'
"Come home with me to your own sweet bed -- the sheets turned down so gayly,
"Well, I'll not come home to my own sweet bed--the sheets turned down so gayly, _______________________________________________________ Ed Tricket also has this on a great Folk Legacy album. Bob Bovee did a fine version too. Art Thieme
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Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: raredance Date: 12 Mar 00 - 12:33 AM A nice version of "Gypsy Davy" can be found on a 1980 LP by Roxanne and Dan Keding called "From Far and Near" Billy Edd Wheeler added a a chorus to his version called "Black Jack Davy" on the album "Billy Edd: USA" rich r
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Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Mark Cohen Date: 12 Mar 00 - 01:58 AM Mark Graham did a version that I know as "Honest Al," though it may have another name. "Would you forsake your house and home, your bridge club and your baby/To ride off in a microbus and risk a case of scabies?" I don't remember all the words or I'd post them. Maybe after I take my ginkgo I'll give it a try. It's not in the DT, though several of his songs are. And I have one, too, based on the "Black Jack Davy" version of the story. It's called BLACK JACK DAVY (IN ATLANTIC CITY). I hope the traditionalists will forgive me. Aloha Mark |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Art Thieme Date: 12 Mar 00 - 11:03 AM Mark, That's a great one. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: raredance Date: 12 Mar 00 - 11:43 AM Mark, Love your lyrics. Hope you can pull the Graham one out of your mind's recesses as it sounds equally delightful. rich r |
Subject: Lyr Add: HONEST AL(?) (Mark Graham?) From: Mark Cohen Date: 12 Mar 00 - 06:00 PM Art, I am deeply honored. Rich, here is what my depleted memory banks can reconstruct of Mark's song. After reading the words to "Clayton Boone," posted by Art above, I suspect Mark based it on that song. Tune will tell. (Sorry, Art, couldn't resist.) I wish I had an easy way of posting tunes. HONEST AL (May not be the real title) by Mark Graham (May not be a real person) I was working down in Fresno, to the end of my endurance Working for old Honest Al, who sold low-cost insurance He'd call his wife each day at three, inquiring "What's for dinner?" With the Cuisinart and the microwave, it always was a winner But then one day he called his wife, and man, was it a bummer She said she'd gone and left him for a hippie guitar strummer "I've thrown away my high-heeled shoes, I will no longer need 'em And bought a pair of Birkenstocks; I've never known such freedom So goodbye to suburbia and the only life I've known I've gone away forever - leave your message at the tone" So Al got in his XKE, 'cause the Lincoln wouldn't handle And went to retrieve his wifey dear and thus avoid a scandal He drove and he drove down the interstate till he found them by the sea-O They were chanting out their mantra, No Myo Harenge Kyo "How could you leave your house and lawn, your bridge club and your baby To run off in a microbus and risk a case of scabies? I'll give to you a Betamax if you'll come home with me-O" She shook her head and passed the pipe, and said, "Let's be a trio" So Al put on a wide-brimmed hat, a poncho and some sandals The three now live in Santa Cruz, quite happy making candles Now there's a master. As far as I know, Mark and Susan are still in Seattle, but it's been a long time since I've seen them. Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Mark Cohen Date: 12 Mar 00 - 06:04 PM P.S., Dick or Susan, I hope this can be added to Mark's oeuvre in the DT. Or else just put it with the rest of his songs. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 13 Mar 00 - 11:17 AM 'betamax', ooooo ephemeral technology |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Tommy Mooney Date: 13 Mar 00 - 03:10 PM There is a great version on their early recordings by a group of "Celtic Rockers" called, guess? "The Raggle Taggle Gypsies" an up-tempo version using the Planxty(Christy Moore) lyrics. This Irish band play lots of festivals around europe, especially in Scandanavia, where they are very highly regarded.They line-up Derek Murtagh, from Trim, Co.Meath on keyboard; a dubliner Brendan who leads vocal and plays bodhran and rythym guitar; another dubliner Paul plays guitar/banjo and one of several fiddlers , Kevin or Hugh two virtuosi who can really bow it. Check them out |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Bearheart Date: 25 Jul 00 - 11:37 PM Found lots of references on this thread to versions of the Raggle-Taggle Gypseys, but none are the version I'm seeking--- done years ago by Delores Keane and one of the finest I've heard. If anyone out there knows of it I'm still looking for those lyrics. Bearheart |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Trevor Date: 31 Jul 00 - 03:10 PM There's a cracking version of this on the 'Waterson & Carthy' album |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 31 Jul 00 - 03:41 PM Christy Moore also sang it with Planxty - I wonder if this might be the one Barry was tryingto remember? I think they recorded it - maybe on "The Well Below the Valley." |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: oggie Date: 31 Jul 00 - 04:12 PM Planxty recorded it on 'Planxty' which was their first album and it segues into 'Give Me your Hand' (This was the first time I ever heard Irish music and I've been hooked ever since). It's the same version' but diferent production, to the one on Christy Moore's 'Prosperous'. The Planxty album was produced by Phil Coulter who in those days was part of Coulter/Quinn productions who produced endless chart teen bands (I think the Bay City Rollers were one of theirs!) All the best Steve PS there was also a Fred Wedlock spoof version the only line I can remember is 'Bring to me the MGB, the Rolls is ne'er so speedy-o. |
Subject: Lyr Add: BLACKJACK DAVY From: GUEST,David E. Siegel (Siegel@acm.org) Date: 31 Jul 00 - 04:20 PM Richard Dyer-Bennett did a version of this, on his CD Entitled "The Wraggle-Taggle Gypsies". This is a collection of traditional songs from various periods, with printed lyrics in the liner notes. Don't have the CD to hand, but I bought it only 3 or 4 years ago in a mainstream book/record store, so it can't be long out of print. He also did a version of BLACKJACK DAVY on a much older record which I used to have in vinyl. If memory serves that version went:
Blackjack Davy came a riding through the trees.
Will you go with me, my pretty little miss?
She took off her high-heeled shoes
The landlord he came home at night
"Go bridle and saddle my little yellow mare.
He rode till he came to the dark blue sea.
"Will you forsake your house and land?
She took off her white glove ----- I also recall some quotes/references to one of the versions given earlier in this thread in D. L. Sayers' novel _Busman's Honeymoon_ when it appears that the main characters may be locked out on their wedding night. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Alice Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:13 PM Here is my recording of Raggle Taggle Gypsy. I like the way Tom's fiddle sounds like it is playing the role of the gypsy. I also added a couple of verses of my own at the end:
So let this be a lesson true,
For a lady loves with a tender heart recording - Raggle Taggle Gypsy, Alice Flynn and Tom Robison |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: masato sakurai Date: 11 Aug 01 - 12:02 AM I like Steeleye Span's "Black Jack Davy" rather than Alfred Deller's "Wraggle Taggle Gypsies." Anyway, Bronson recorded 127 variants (and a few more in vol. 4)of this very familar ballad (or, group of ballads, we should say) in The Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads. Most of them are given words separately along with the music. How varied they are!
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Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: masato sakurai Date: 11 Aug 01 - 01:33 AM P.S. Here's a list of title-name variants: The Gypsy Davy; Black Cat Davy; Black Jack David; Black Jack Davie/y; Black-Eyed Davy; Balckjack Davy; the Brown-Eyed Gipses; Clayton Boone; Dark-Eyed Gypsy; The Egyptian Davie; Gipsies-O; Gipsum Davy; Gipsy Davie; The Gipsy Laddie; Gyp's Come Tripping O'er the Plain; Gyps of David; The Gyps of Davy; Gypsey Davey; Gypsum Davey; Gypsum Davy; The Gypsy Countess; The Gypsy Daisy; The Gypsy Laddie; The Gypsy Laddies; Gypsy Laddio; Gypsy Lover; Gypsy Rover; Gypsy-O; The 'Gyptian Laddie; Harrison Brady; Harvey Walker; Johnie Faa; Johnny Faa; Johnny Faa, the Gypsy Laddie; Johnny Faw; Johnny the Seer; The Lady and the Gypsy; A Neat Young Lady; The Radical Gypsy David; Raggle Taggle Gypsies, O!; The Raggle-Taggle Gypsies; Seven Gypsies; Seven Gypsies in a Row; Whistling Gypsy; The Wraggle Taggle Cool Cats - Parody; The Wraggle Taggle Gipsies; The Wraggle Taggle Gipsies-O!; The Wraggle Taggle Gypsies; The Wraggle-Taggle Gypsies-O!; The Wraggle-Taggle Gypsies; The Wraggle-Taggle Gypsies, O/Oh!; The Yellow Castle Lady (from Brunnings' Folk Song Index). Let me add some others from Bronson: Lady Cassilles Lilt; The Davy; The Egytian Davy O; It Was Late in the Night When Johnny Came Home; How Old Are You, My Pretty Little Miss; The Lady's Disgrace; The Three Gipsies; Three Gipsies Came to the Door; There Were Seven Gypsies; The Dark-Clothed Gypsy; Draggletail Gipsies; Gipsies of Agee (Egypt) Oh!; The Ragtail Gipsies, Oh!; The Gipsies Came to Lord M--'s Gate; Gipsy Draly; David. Can anyone add more?
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Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: pavane Date: 11 Aug 01 - 04:27 AM Bodley has Gypsy Loddy A different song, The Gypsies, is about stealing in infant |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: ard mhacha Date: 11 Aug 01 - 08:11 AM Malcom Douglas, Christy Moores singing of The Raggle Taggle Gypsy is still the best I have heard, he fairly rattles this out. I have it on a 1973 Polydor LP. On the Disc notes it states that the song was learned from the late John Reilly a travelling man from County Roscommon. The Record was Planxty and was produced by Phil Coulter. Still can be had on CD, great stuff. Slan Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Peg Date: 11 Aug 01 - 02:10 PM A band from Northampton, MA called Cordelia's Dad did a version of Seven Yellow Gypsies on on of their early albums...
"There were seven yellow gypsies all in a row
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Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Mudlark Date: 11 Aug 01 - 03:21 PM And...in case you want some simple chords with the words...this great song is in Rise Up Singing, page 16 in my copy...with just 3 chords that work pretty well...Am, Em and D. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Aug 01 - 07:50 PM I know the Planxty record well, and have had it since it first came out; I took up the bouzouki pretty much on the strength of it. John Reilly's set of the song was issued on The Bonny Green Tree (Topic 12T359, 1978) but I don't know if it's been reissued since. I sometimes wonder whether it's such a good idea to resurrect old, long threads like this one; people are so eager to contribute that they tend to repeat information already given. The Reilly text, for example, has been posted twice in this discussion (on neither occasion was he mentioned), though both times perhaps a little mis-remembered. Here is a consolidated list of links to some relevant meterial here and elsewhere. Whether anybody will look at them before adding duplicate material here or in new threads, I doubt; at least the resource will be available in the future.
In the DT:
THE WRAGGLE-TAGGLE GYPSIES With tune; no source specified.
THE GYPSY LADDIE Text and tune from a book.
GYPSY LADDIES From a recording by Cila Fisher and Artie Treizise; no tune given or traditional source named.
GYPSIE LADDIE From the singing of Jean Ritchie; no tune.
THE GYPSY LADDIE (4) Properly called Gypsy Davy. Set noted by Cecil Sharp from Mrs. Jane Gentry at Hot Springs, N.C.; text collated with other versions.
SEVEN GYPSIES ON YON HILL With tune; from the Penguin Book of Canadian Folk Songs, ed. Edith Fowke. No traditional source named.
GYPSY DAVEY American text; no tune, no source named.
GYPSY ROVER Leo Maguire's modern song based on the story, often imagined to be traditional. Learnt at one remove from a Clancy Brothers record. With tune.
BLACK JACK DAVEY Learnt from the Putnam County String Band, with tune.
BLACK JACK DAVID Mike Heron's modern song based on the story. No tune.
BLACKJACK DAVEY (2) American set with tune, from Almeda Riddle.
HARRISON BRADY Noted by Samuel Bayard, from Lily Bell Dietrick at Morgantown WVa, 1944; with tune.
THE LADY AND THE GYPSY From The Ballad Book of John Jacob Niles, with tune. Traditional source not named.
WHEN CARNAL FIRST CAME TO ARKANSAS Noted from Mrs. Zona Blak, Arkansas, 1942. No tune.
BLACK JACK DAVY (IN ATLANTIC CITY) Parody by Mark Cohen. THE HIPPIES AND THE BEATNIKS Parody by Miles Wooten.
In the Forum:
Raggle-Taggle Gypsy: Authored by? Brief discussion with one substantive comment, from Bruce Olson.
RE: Raggle Taggle Gypsie 'O Enquiry from someone who couldn't find the song; hardly surprising in view of the way he spelled it. Contains several links.
Nic Jones- Seven Yellow Gypsies Texts of sets recorded by Nic Jones and Cordelia's Dad. In neither case is a traditional source named.
Gypsy Rover a real folk song -(To which the answer, though not given in so many words, would be "no".) Includes background from Bruce Olson, some links, and Alan Foster's parody The Travelling Salesman.
Whistling Gypsy - prejudice? Lengthy discussion . Includes lyric of Leo Maguire's modern re-write, The Whistling Gypsy (Gypsy Rover), and an English translation of the unrelated An Spailpín Fánach; also a translation into Gaelic of Maguire's lyric (confusingly, also titled An Spailpín Fánach) made by Proinsias Ó Maonaigh. Scottish folk Short discussion in which Child's #200 (The Gypsy Laddie) and #280 (The Beggar Laddie) become confused.
At the Max Hunter Folk Song Collection: The Gypsy Davy As sung by Mrs. George Ripley in Milford, Missouri on November 21, 1959
Black Jack Davey As sung by Mrs. Lula Davis, Fayettville, Arkansas on June 14, 1958
Black Jack Davey As sung by Mr. Wise Jones, Fayettville, Arkansas on June 21, 1958 Black Jack Davy As sung by Sara Jo Bell, Harrison, Arkansas on August 25, 1969
At Lesley Nelson's Folk Music site: The Gypsy Laddie Jean Ritchie's set, with tune.
The Wraggle, Taggle Gypsies, O! Set with tune from Folk-Songs, Chanteys and Singing Games ( Charles H. Farnsworth and Cecil J. Sharp, 1909) No traditional source named. Johnny Faa Set with tune from The Saltire Scottish Song Book (Cedric Thorpe Davie and George C. McVicar, 1991; no traditional source named).
There is an entry at the Traditional Ballad Index:
There are a number of broadside editions at Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads, including:
Gypsy Laddie Printed between 1821 and 1838 by W. Stephenson, at the Cheap Song Emporium, No. 8, Bridge street, Gateshead. (With The Female Smuggler).
Gypsy loddy Printed between 1819 and 1844 by J. Pitts, Printer, Wholesale Toy and Marble Warehouse, 6, Great St. Andrew Street,Seven Dials. (With The Oxford scholar).
The gipsy laddie Printed between 1847 and 1852 by John Ross, Arcade, Newcastle. (With My Gentle Mother Dear, by Samuel Lover).
The gipsy laddie, O Printed between 1863 and 1885 by H.P. Such, Machine Printer & Publisher, 177, Union- street, Borough, S.E. The gipsy laddy Printed by W. Forth of Bridlington. (With The Arab Steed and The Deep Blue Sea).
Gipsie laddie Printed by A.C. Brander of Elgin. (With The Female Rambling Sailor).
A much [a]dmired [s]ong called the Dark-eyed gipsy O Printed c.1867 by W. Birmingham of Dublin. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: pavane Date: 12 Aug 01 - 05:59 AM Malcolm, I can't get that last link to open (in large format) although I can get the small version. Is it just a problem at my end? I always thought that Gypsy/Black Jack Davey and Wraggle Taggle/Seven Yellow Gypsies were two different, though related, songs. The first is sung more from the gypsy's point of view, and he doesn't get hanged. There is obviously a lot of exchange between the songs, though. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: ard mhacha Date: 12 Aug 01 - 07:29 AM To tell you the truth Malcolm I wouldn`t break my ass to hear the song, but,Planxty and Christy Moore gave it a blood transfusion.. Slan Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Garry Gillard Date: 13 Aug 01 - 04:17 AM Seven Yellow Gypsies is on the Mike Waterson LP and also on the Pence and Spicy Ale CD, and has also been re-released on the Mike Waterson CD. A different version of Seven Yellow Gypsies is on Martin Carthy & Dave Swarbrick's Prince Heathen, and also on Martin Carthy: A Collection (1999). |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Garry Gillard Date: 13 Aug 01 - 04:20 AM Raggle Taggle Gipsies is on The Waterson Carthy Band's Broken Ground. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Mark Cohen Date: 13 Aug 01 - 06:59 AM Malcolm, that's an incredible piece of research! I understand your point about old threads, but there's another side to it. For some time now (maybe since the beginning of the Mudcat, for all I know), there have been frequent attempts to get people to check for old threads before starting new ones. In this case Alice did just that, and I appreciated the refresher. Yes, there might be some duplication, but on balance I'd prefer that to a half-dozen disparate threads on the same topic. Unless, of course, you're talking about Seagull guitars....! (Sorry, that was an inside joke at 'Spaw's expense. But I'm sure he can afford it.) Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,harryrages@onetel.net.uk Date: 13 Aug 01 - 08:46 PM Best version of this sort was Davy Graham's Seven Gypsies which he recorded on 'Folk, Blues & Beyond' around 1967 ish. I still have the original LP. Can send lyrics if you want. Gerald. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Cory Ducey Date: 31 Jan 02 - 08:43 AM Being someone that grew up with Folk Music, and being from Newfoundland, Canada where Irish runs in our blood, there is a folk band that sings Folk songs called the Irish Descendants. They are awesome!! |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: NoMattch Date: 01 Feb 02 - 11:56 AM A bad recording but a good version of the song can be found on: www.greenhotclover.com I've seen this band do it on occasion when I was in the UK. They're a bunch of Salford college grads from the Manchester area. Definitely worth a listen. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Desdemona Date: 01 Feb 02 - 06:08 PM The version on Waterson-Carthy's "Broken Ground" is one of the most artfully arranged I've ever heard; the way it builds gradually is just beautiful. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: WyoWoman Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:11 AM I agree. I have the Waterson-Carthy version and love it. It's such a universal theme -- woman with some fire in her heart married to an emotionally constipated man with ice-water in his veins, throwing all her material wealth away for the sake of true passion, wrapped in a grungy package. The thing I like about the Waterson Carthy version is, I believe, that she doesn't get punished for her choice in the end. She's dirt poor, but doesn't end up drowned or humiliated or burned at the stake. (Of course, I haven't been able to find my CD in over a year, so I could be dead wrong about this and just rewrote the ending inside my own mind to please myself. Self-delusion has its advantages.) ww |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Desdemona Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:06 PM No, she ends by saying she doesn't care about the nice feather bed et al., she'd rather sleep in the cold open field with the gypsies; hopefully she doesn't end up meeting the fate so many "naughty" wives come to in folk songs! |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: WyoWoman Date: 02 Feb 02 - 01:37 PM Are there ANY folk songs in which the woman hooks up with a NICE or even desireable rich man?
ARE there any nice, desireable rich men? If so, please call 877.555.1212... )WW |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,riverdan Date: 02 Mar 02 - 11:08 PM A year or so ago The Thistle & Shamrock played a version of this song where the king captured the gypsey and killed him and himself by falling out of the tower. The lord was aided by one of his men who blew the hunting horn to call help. Does anyone know who recorded this version and where I can find lyrics? |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Maryrrf Date: 03 Mar 02 - 09:19 AM I do the "Wraggle Taggle Gypsies" on my CD "Two Strings on Every Bow" which can be had at CD Baby. It's a collections of ballads with guitar accompaniement. WyoWoman - one song that comes to mind about a woman taking up with a nice rich guy is "Leezie Lindsay". As soon as she realizes he's "Laird Ronald McDonald, a chieftain o' high degeee" - yes, that's really his name but when I sing it in public I change it to "the young laird McDonald" so the audience won't imagine a clown instead of a handsome highlander - she "kilts up her gown of green satin" and runs away with him to the highlands. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Susanne (skw) Date: 03 Mar 02 - 06:13 PM Yes, but how do you work out he's nice? She realises he's rich and powerful and decides to throw in her lot with him. (We were singing the song tonight and had to explain it to someone who thought it was an extremely abrupt change of heart on the girl's part - which it is, in my opinion!) |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: bernil Date: 03 Mar 02 - 06:20 PM I've downloaded and listened a lot to the version with Tears for Bears , on MP3.com. I think it's great! Berit |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Maryrrf Date: 03 Mar 02 - 09:03 PM Well how do you know if any of them are nice or not until it's too late and you find out the hard way??? At least that's been my experience. For a while they're on their best behavior - then little by little.... I guess I just always imagined Ronald McDonald, um I mean "the young laird McDonald" as being rich AND nice, for some reason. Probably just projecting wishful thinking onto the song. I hope it worked out for young Leezie Lindsay! |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 09 Apr 02 - 01:22 PM I've only heard the version by the Bothy Band, from their first album, but I love it. It is on CD and easily available. The singer's phrasing is amazing. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 09 Apr 02 - 05:20 PM The Shaman version of this song is on a tape called The Green Man. They're not that hard to find; just go here: http://www.solstar.org/shaman.htm I haven't heard this album, but the band members are old friends of mine from years back, which is why I'm butting in... |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: IanC Date: 10 Apr 02 - 05:08 AM WW Two songs you might like are The Gypsy Rover - as far as i know a US version of Raggle-Taggle Gypsies, where the guy turns out to be rich. There's also The Little Gypsy Girl which tells the tale from the other way round. The Mudcat version's a bit twee ... in most of the broadside versions, she finds him VERY nice.
Cheers |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Apr 02 - 05:21 AM Gypsy Rover is a modern song by Leo Maguire, an Irish broadcaster; discussed at some length in several of the threads linked to in my earlier post. I don't recall a recording of Raggle Taggle Gypsies on the first Bothy Band album (or any other, indeed); perhaps Guest was thinking of Planxty's arrangement of John Reilly's traditional set. So far as I can remember, the phrasing was based fairly closely on his. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 10 Apr 02 - 02:08 PM I think malcolm is right, and Planxty is the band our guest was thinking of. By mentioning Sweeney's Men AND the Bothy Band, he covered most of Planxty's members, anyway :-) Many other versions were based on this one, including the Irish Descendants' and the Waterboys'. The Planxty version was closely based on the Christy Moore one mentioned by Bo; it was at the recording sessions for Prosperous that Planxty was born. And I believe Malcolm has it right that Christy took it from John Reilly's repertoire, as he did several great ballads. My favorite revival version of this song is "Gypsy Laddie" by the Tannahill Weavers, from their eponymous third LP. Great Stuff!
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Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Zorikh Date: 15 Sep 02 - 03:39 PM I've spent most of the day researching this song, it's origins, variants etc. I first heard the Dave Alvin version ("Blakjack David") and thought I might sing it at a SCA event because it sounded sort of petiod-ish and has a romantic theme. I like how his version makes it uncertain whether David and the lady will make love together on the "cold cold ground" or will join in a mutual suicide pact or a killed by her husband. This song is a facinating textbook example of how a universal theme can be turned into a song with local pesons of fact, fiction, history, and legend, and then changes as it is passed down from hand to hand, culture to culture. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,johnnie Date: 09 Oct 02 - 11:29 PM the waterboys - room to roam cd - best one there is |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Jim Clark..London..England Date: 10 Oct 02 - 08:38 PM I have videoed several musicians playing this superb song..you camn hear one in the folk sounds section of my acoustic musicians and poets sound archive MSN website acoustic musicians and poets sound archive |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: old moose Date: 11 Oct 02 - 12:34 AM Back in fifty seven (middle of last century)alongside my research on "Edward, My Son Edward" and "Lord Randall, MY Son" I did a search in the publications on "The Raggle Taggle Gypsies" and had about two hundred and fifty citations; Lord Randal and Edward had a great many more. Some of the citations dated to the fourteen hundreds. The conclusion reached by my professor and myself was to the effect that "The Gypsies" as we called it was an early retelling of the Orfeus myth in a form that could be sung and understood by the audiences of the times. No way of knowing, of course, how many permutations it had gone through, nor has it stopped changing as time goes. I quit working on it because of time considerations; also it seemed a daunting project for a quarters terminal. It would certainly be worse now. Good for a master's thesis at least. I had no desire to go to graduate school then and now in my seventies--naah. Run for it somebody. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: MikeOQuinn Date: 11 Oct 02 - 05:31 AM I have a recording of this song on Carlos Núñez's album "Os Amores Libres." I had heard of Núñez prior to this album as a vocalist, but I had never known that he played the pipes as well, which he does with remarkable skill. (The version of "The Raggle-Taggle Gipsy" on this album, for example, is followed by an absolutely smoking rendition of "Itchy Fingers." The two tunes work great together!) I also like the Gaita (galician bagpipes) that Núñez plays off and on throughout this album. It's different, but very worthwhile. -J |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Nerd Date: 11 Oct 02 - 01:09 PM Funny this thread is back up. I'm teaching a class on Folklore and just this week I used Planxty, the Waterboys, and a Danish band called Moving Cloud (Irish music from Denmark!) all performing essentially the Prosperous/Christy Moore/John Reilly version of "Raggle-Taggle Gypsies" to show the ways a single version or arrangement of a traditional song can "make the rounds" becoming a standard of the folk revival scene. I also used Thin Lizzy and Metallica (!) doing "Whiskey in the Jar." |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: belfast Date: 12 Oct 02 - 08:24 AM Talk about the meaning and origins of the song prompts me to add this.Here's a bit from a play "Paddy on the Road" about Christy Moore. Christy has been talking about Ewan MacColl. His companion PJ agrees but… "PJ: MacColl was a great man certainly. But some of his acolytes were an awful pain in the arse. I was standing at the bar one night and I'm listening to Christy singing The Raggle Taggle Gypsies and this fella turns to me and says "That's a terribly interesting ballad. There are versions of it all over Europe. But, as Ewan says, you can never really appreciate such a ballad unless you subject it to a Marxist analysis. This song, you see, is a paradigm of the class struggle. The lady in the ballad has abandoned the ruling class and, in the most profound way possible, has displayed her solidarity with one of the oppressed sectors of society. It foretells, in a sense, the Socialist Revolution and the inevitable victory of the proletariat." And he drones on like this for about twenty minutes. I take a slug of me pint and says, "Is that a fact now? And here's me thinking it was about some hussy runnin' off with a pack of gippoes" Oh, I know. I know! We don't use language like that any more. We don't talk about gippoes and tinkers; we talk about travellers. But there's some people who will be very bloody careful to use the word "travellers" and still treat the people behind the word like shite." |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 12 Oct 02 - 01:16 PM My favourite version is the House Band's, on their CD "October Song" (Green Linnet, GLCD 1190). Their song title is "Seven Yellow Gypsies", but it's the same. A wicked haunting accompaniment, which should give an idea why many people thought the fiddle the Devil's instrument. . . Other CD tracks good too, including the title song. Cheers, -- Arne Langsetmo |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Desert Dancer Date: 18 Mar 03 - 07:33 PM There are two popular written sources likely responsible for some of the dispersion of the Raggle-Taggle version among 20th century revival singers, neither of which are mentioned in this discussion: Cecil Sharp's One Hundred English Folk Songs, a likely source for many folkies on the east side of the pond, and on the west, virtually the same version is in the Fireside Book of American Folk Songs. I'd like to know where the "ah-dee-doo" chorus comes from. I remember it from the Kingston Trio, but who was singing it before that, anyone in the American stringband tradition? (This is where I want a copy of Bronson...) ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 18 Mar 03 - 07:52 PM Sharp's book was actually published in America, though a similar edition appeared (under a different title) a little later in the UK. For at least some of the answers to the ah-de-doo question, see the second part of the discussion Gypsy Rover a real folk song. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Desert Dancer Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:37 AM Thanks for pointing me to the right thread, Malcolm. ~ Becky |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: open mike Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:34 AM we used to sing this in girl scouts.. probably what prompted me to run away from suburbia and live in a tipi on a commune! i have to check out the thread on The Beatniks and the Hippies... I represent that!! |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: robinia Date: 20 Mar 03 - 01:32 AM I like the "realistic" note on which an Appalachian version of the song (as sung by Jean Ritchie) ends: "Oh soon this lady changed her mind/ her clothes grew old and faded/ Her hose and shoes came off her feet/ and left them bare and naked. Just what befell this lady now/ I think it worth relating/ Her gypsy found another lass/ and left her heart a-breaking." |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Desert Dancer Date: 21 Mar 03 - 01:21 AM Hmm. Sounds like a 20th century addition to me! (Good though.) ~ Becky |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: IanC Date: 21 Mar 03 - 04:39 AM Well, actually, some of the earlier English versions have similar realism ... "The gold ring on her finger's gone, and the gold plate on her bosom" for example. :-) |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,DeadMan Date: 09 Mar 04 - 08:05 PM Hi! I have the song on my computer, so if you know of a possible way to copy it you're welcome to do so. DeadMan |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Leadfingers Date: 09 Mar 04 - 08:26 PM An old mate ( Louis Robinson by name) was in a 'Folk Group' which did gigs in a lot of NON Folk venues. They used to get a lot of requests for various versions of this song, and rather than learn them all or tell the customer they didnt know the song, Louis wrote a song that would fit , Whichever was requested. The song he wrote is called :- 'The Raggle Taggle Black Jack Gypsy Davey Came Whistling Over The Hill With Six of His Mates' - IF any one wants this posted , Just ASK. |
Subject: RE: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: hobbitwoman Date: 09 Mar 04 - 09:14 PM There's a recording of The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy on Further Down the Old Plank Road, performed by The Chieftans with Nickel Creek. Or Nickel Creek with The Chieftans. Not sure which. :o) |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,stace Date: 12 Jun 04 - 11:01 AM do any of you know of the irish band the raggle taggle gypsies and where i can get info on them?? |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 11 Sep 04 - 12:16 AM If you are asking about the Chieftans irish band the album is called "Further Down the Old Plank Road", they are a band playing traditional irish music, this is a second album from concert session pairing this tradional irish band with well known musicians mostly troubadors of country music. The first alblum is called of course "The Old Plank Road" . "Further.." is available from the Victor record label #82876-52897-2, I got mine from towerrecords.com. I also have a recording of the song from German countertenor Andeas Scholl the album is "Wayfaring Stranger-Folksongs". the concept of this recording is to take the old European songs back from America and reinterpret them by a modern European singer. The Songcather second soundtrack albun (not songs from the movie, but old folksong that "inspired" the movie has a great version of "Black Jack Davey" |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Leadfingers Date: 11 Sep 04 - 05:59 AM I still like the Louis Robinson rewrite 'The Raggle Taggle Black Jack Gypsy Davy came Whistling Over the Hill With Six Of His Mates' - It was written so that whichever 'Gypsy' song was requested , the song fitted . |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Leadfingers Date: 11 Sep 04 - 06:14 AM Incidentally , Do I score any points for the hundredth post to a thread ? |
Subject: hobnail boots From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:03 AM can anyone enlighten me? My grandmother used to sing a song to me as a child, but the only bit I can remember is the last line, which I think gets repeated several times throughout the song, and it is "the hobnail boots that father wore" I would love to be reminded of the words to this song - if anyone knows what it is. Thanks |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 04 Oct 04 - 12:54 AM So have you got "The Raggle Taggle Black Jack Gypsy Davy came Whistling Over the Hill With Six Of His Mates' Words? and which tune? :-) I'm offically asking LeadFingers... :-) |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 04 Oct 04 - 01:01 AM BTW, on the Penny Black Music Page, there is a Google Ad "Large selection for sale from cheap and cheerful to Superb" Is this for the Band or the Stamp? Maybe the the Band's new slogan... or a new CD title ? (Do I get a freebie for suggesting the title if you use it?) :P Robin |
Subject: Another great version of Gypsy Davy From: unvarnished Date: 12 Jan 07 - 12:07 PM Thanks to Malcolm Douglas for his compendium of postings on this subject. I couldn't find any reference to the version done by Tim Eriksen of Cordelia's Dad on their CD "Comet" (1995). He does a wonderful job of singing and playing, just him, his authentic sounding singing, and a nice acoustic guitar acommpaniment. The notes say he got 6 of the verses from a 1941 recording of Lena Bourne "Grammy" Fish of East Jaffrey, New Hampshire. He describes the song as being "about a woman of great imagination and wit, and her husband who has neither." The recording has 15 verses in all, some of them similar to the Richard Dyer-Bennet version of Raggle-Taggle Gypsies. The tune is a little different from, but related to the "Gypsy Rover" tune. I transcribed this from listening to the CD: Gypsy Davy (as performed by Cordelia's Dad) The gypsy king came over the hill Defying storm and danger It seemed to be my lot to fall In love with the dark-eyed stranger. I gave to him of the good wheat bread And he gave to me the ginger I gave to him a better thing, All the gold from off my fingers. And he has asked me to be his wife To be his honoured lady He's asked me to leave my home and kin And follow the Gypsy Davy. Oh they tell me to marry beneath my rank Is nothing short of danger But title and gold cannot compare With my love for the dark-eyed stranger. So she's taken off her high heeled shoes All made of Spanish leather She's gone down in her loyal shoes And they rode off together. Oh they rode high and they rode low They rode so late and early They rode til they come to the dark blue sea And oh but she was weary. Last night I slept in a down feather bed An honoured and titled lady But tonight I'll sleep in the green, green field In the arms of my Gypsy Davy. And when the lord come home in the night Inquiring for his lady The servants made him this reply: She's gone with the Gypsy Davy. Go saddle to me my little yellow mare The gray one's not so speedy I rode all day and I rode all night So I'll overtake my lady Oh he rode to the dark blue sea It looked so dark and dreary There he spied his own dear bride By the side of the Gypsy Davy. Oh will you come home my dear, my love? Will you come home my darling? I'll keep you safe in a close, close room Where no man will ever come near you. No I won't come home my dear, my love I'll not come home my darling If I brew good beer, I'll drink the same And you'll no more come near me. So she's taken off her long blue gloves All made of Spanish leather She waved farewell with a little white hand She waver farewell forever. Saying, I do not envy any honoured queen Or any titled lady I'd rather be a gypsy queen, The bride of my black-eyed Davy. Last night I slept in a down feather bed An honoured and titled lady But tonight I'll sleep in the green, green field In the arms of my Gypsy Davy. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Chris Smith Date: 12 Jan 07 - 02:36 PM Looking back in this thread, I find a reference to Martin Simpson's c2000 performances of a version of this song. I heard him do it live but have not been able to locate his CD version (if one exists). Can anyone tell me? Many thanks for any info. cjs chris@coyotebanjo.com |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 08 - 08:41 AM Has any one heard of an irish Trad band called "The Raggle Taggle Gypsies", if so I would be very grateful for a gigs lisings |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: pavane Date: 28 Apr 08 - 05:41 AM Probably worth mentioning that Barry Skinner used to sing a version called The Treble Tail Gypsies, but unfortunately he can't remember exactly where he learned it. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Saro Date: 28 Apr 08 - 06:38 AM CMR and the Askew sisters are working on a Hampshire version which gardiner collected from Mrs. Goodyear in 1907 (apologies if this has been mentioned earlier). It only mentions two gipsies, but Hampshire was a very poor county at the time so we probably couldn't afford any more... Though come to think of it, bearing in mind the area I live in, if more than two were seen walking around together they would probably have been arrested under some public order legislation, or maybe for singing or whistling in public without a license, but I digress... Incidentally has anyone heard a song which tells a sequel to the 7 (or what you will) Gipsies? In this song, the lady returns a year or more later, cold and hungry and with a baby. Her former husband invites her in, gives her food and money, but then tells her to go away for ever, as he can never forgive her for deserting him. I haven't heard any other replies giving the man's point of view before. Saro |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Jim Dixon Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:36 AM THE WRAGGLE-TAGGLE GYPSIES is mentioned in A History of Music in England by Ernest Walker (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1907):
The latter book doesn't seem to be viewable online. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Terry McDonald Date: 24 Mar 09 - 12:34 PM Saro - eleven months late, but Barry Dransfield has a last verse to 'Gypsy Davey' on his 'Wings of the Sphinx' album which goes: The Master he went home that night And took good care of his baby-o And e're six months had passed and gone He's married another lady-o. Not quite what you mentioned, but a (presumably) satisfactory conclusion for the husband. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Thomas Date: 28 Jul 09 - 12:32 PM I have a book called "English folk-songs for schools" from the turn of the last century, I think collated by Cecil Sharp and Sabine Baring Gould witch does say he collected a version from Somerset. the song is entitled "No. 1. The Wraggle Taggle Gipsies, O!". In the intro for the book it is stated it comes from "Folk-songs from Somerset" by Mr. Sharp and Rev. C Marson... |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Diva Date: 29 Jul 09 - 03:59 AM Heard a version last year from a singer from home (Ayrshire) that actually mentions Ayr, Dalrymple and Maybole. I was talking to Joe Rae of Beith at the weekend and he informs me Child got the dates wrong. For those who do not know him Joe is an oracle and his wealth of knowledge of songs and ballads is superb. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Gypsy Laddie / Blackjack Davey From: Genie Date: 26 Sep 09 - 12:53 PM Maybe someone can help me with this. Right now Wikipedia (that oh, so, reliable source!) has this blurb about the origins of the song "Gypsy Laddie" and it's variants: [["The ballad, according to Tosches, retells the story of John Faw, a 17th century outlaw, described as a Gypsy, and Lady Jane Hamilton, wife of John Kennedy, 6th Earl of Cassilis. Lord Cassilis led a band of men (some sources say 16, other 7) to abduct her. They were caught and hanged on the "Dool Tree" in 1643. The "Gypsies" were killed (except for one, who escaped) and Lady Jane Hamilton was imprisoned for the remainder of her life, dying in 1642."]] Wikipedia: The Gypsy Laddie I know that Barry said above that no connection has been established between any Cassilis and a gypsy, but I'm also curious as to whether whoever submitted that info at Wiki meant to say that Johnny Faw (or another gypsy) led a band of men to abduct Lady Jane H. It seems weird that if a husband led a band of men to rescue his wife from kidnappers it would be called "abduction" and even more odd that, even if the wife had willingly run off with the gypsies, the husband and his cohorts would be hanged for "abducting" his own wife from the gypsies. Lord Cassilis was not hanged, was he? |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Reinhard Date: 26 Sep 09 - 03:54 PM Also, it's quite implausible that the gypsies were hanged a year after Lady Hamilton's death. I'd rather have expected an immediate trial and execution. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 10 May 12 - 03:53 PM The great version of "Black Jack Davey" done on "Songcatcher II The Tradition That Inspired The Movie" was sung by Almeda Riddle. Someone earlier had mentioned this. I think she deserves to be named. She kept over 500 ballads in her repetoire, and often had numerous versions of the same songs. She was born in 1898 and was an incredible lady. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Amy Date: 08 Sep 12 - 09:42 PM Another variation on the theme: Beggars to God Words & Music by Bob Franke The song of Gypsy Davy rang delighted through the night The wise & foolish virgin kept her candle burning bright Rise up my young & foolish one & follow if you can There'll be no need for candles in the arms of such a man Chorus: Make love to each other, be free with each other Be prisoners of love til you lie in the sod Be friends to each other, forgive one another See God in each other: be beggars to God The night was cold & dark & wet as they wandered on alone The sky became their canopy, the earth became their throne And as their raiment ran to rags, they thought it nothing wrong For earth & sky are robe enough when you sing the Gypsies' song They sang & played the Gypsies' song wherever they were sent To some it seemed a dancing tune - to some, a sad lament But in ev'ry heart that heard them true a tear became a smile And a pauper or a prince became a Gypsy for a while ©1983 Telephone Pole Music Publishing Co(BMI) |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Sep 12 - 06:42 AM Interesting piece (to me anyway) from 'Chambers's Miscellany of Useful and Entertaining Tracts, Vol 16' William and Robert Chambers (eds.), Edinburgh, 1847 Jim Carroll ANECDOTES OF THE SCOTTISH GIPSIES. One of the earliest anecdotes of the Scottish gipsies is that of "Johnnie Faa, the Gipsy Laddie," who eloped with the lady of the Earl of Cassilis. This story rests on tradition, and on an old ballad; the facts, so far as they can he gathered, are thus related in the "Picture of Scotland." "John, the sixth Earl of Cassilis, a stern Covenanter, of whom it is recorded by Bishop Burnet that he would never permit his language to he understood but in its direct sense, obtained to wife Lady Jean Hamilton, a daughter of Thomas, first Earl of Haddington, who had raised himself from the Scottish bar to a peerage, and the best fortune of his time. The match seems to have been dictated by policy; and it is not likely that Lady Jean herself had much to say in the bargain. On the contrary, says report, she had been previously beloved by a gallant young knight, a Sir John Faa of Dunbar, who had perhaps seen her at her father's seat of Tyningham, which is not more than three miles from that town. When several years were gone, and Lady Cassilis had brought her husband three children, this passion led to a dreadful catastrophe. Her youthful lover, seizing an opportunity when the Earl of Cassilis was attending the Assembly of Divines at Westminster, came to Cassilis Castle, a massive old tower, on the banks of the Doon. He was dis¬guised as a gipsy, and attended by a band of these desperate out¬casts. The countess consented to elope with her lover. Ere they had proceeded very far, however, the earl came home, and immediately set out in pursuit. Accompanied by a band which put resistance out of the question, he overtook them, and captured the whole party at a ford over the Doon, still called the ' Gipsies' Steps,' a few miles from the castle. He brought them back to Cassilis, and there hanged all the gipsies, including the hapless Sir John, upon ' the Dule Tree,' a splendid and most umbrageous plane, which yet nourishes on a mound, in front of the castle gate, and which was his gallows in ordinary, as the name testifies— 'And we were fifteen weel-made men, Although we were na bonnie; And we were a' put down for ane— A fair young wanton lady.' The countess was taken by her husband to a window in front of the castle, and there compelled to survey the dreadful scene—to-see, one after another, fifteen gallant men put to death—and at last to witness the dying agonies of him who had first been dear to her. The particular room in the stately old house where the unhappy lady endured this horrible torture, is still called ' The Countess's Room.' After undergoing a short confinement in that apartment, the house belonging to the family at Maybole was fitted up for her reception, by the addition of a fine projecting staircase, upon which were carved heads, representing those of her lover and his band; and she was removed thither, and con¬fined for the rest of her life—the earl, in the meantime, marry¬ing another wife. One of her daughters was afterwards married! to the celebrated Gilbert Burnet. The effigies of the gipsies oh the staircase at Maybole are very minute; the head of Johnnie Faa himself is distinct from the rest, large, and more lachry¬mose in the expression of the features." Such is the story; but whether the hero, who is here called Sir John Faa of Dunbar, was himself of gipsy blood, as the ballad bears, and as tradition asserts, or whether he was merely in such intimacy with the gipsies as to obtain their aid in the adventure, cannot be decisively ascertained. It may be mentioned, however, that the colony of gipsies long-established in Yetholm, in Roxburghshire, always claimed to be of the same stock with the Faws or Falls, a family of respecta¬bility settled in East-Lothian, and of which the hero of the ballad may have been a scion, holding some rank in Scottish society, and yet keeping- up a connexion with his outcast kindred. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Ged Fox Date: 10 Sep 12 - 02:31 PM The version in Baring-Gould's Songs of the West has the wife as a gipsy woman, married against her inclinations to an earl (The Gipsy Countess, part 1.) In the second part, the wife runs away back to the gipsies, but when she rejects the earl and his wealth, and says she'll sleep in the wide open field, " 'Nay, thou shalt not!' Then he drew, I wot, The sword that hung at his saddle bow. And once he smote at her lily-white throat, And there her red blood down did flow. Then stained with blood, was the posie good, THat was of the wildest flow'rs that blow. She sank on her side, and so she died, For she would away with the gipsies-o" |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Rob Currie Date: 19 Sep 12 - 01:14 PM What has always intrigued me about this song is the melody; it doesn't feel at all like it comes from the British Isles, to me. There are references above to there being versions from elsewhere in Europe. Anyone ever read anything about the tune itself? Is it, say, Roma in origin, or is that too twee? |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Ged Fox Date: 15 Sep 14 - 08:25 AM Baring-Gould's versions: Gipsy Countess Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XJNOf0X9O8 and part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TspVTFtNelk |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST Date: 22 Feb 15 - 02:03 AM GUEST,riverdan I am pretty sure this is the one you meant. Jeannie Robertson - Gypsy Laddie |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE ROVIN' PLOUGHBOY From: GUEST,mayomick (28 Jan 2015) Date: 22 Feb 15 - 02:04 AM Roving Ploughboy Chorus: Ploughboy-o, ploughboy-o Follow the rovin' ploughboy-o Saddle tae me my old grey mare Saddle tae me my pony-o And noo she's on the road and she's far far awa' Awa' wi' her rovin' ploughboy-o Champion ploughboy her Geordie lad Cups and medals and prizes-o In bonnie Deveron-side there is none can compare Wi' the jolly rovin' ploughboy-o Yestreen she lay in a fine feather bed Sheets and blankets sae cosy-o And noo she maun lie in a cauld barn-shed Ro'ed in the arms o' her ploughboy-o Fare thee weel tae auld Huntly toon Fare thee weel Drumdelgie-o And noo she's on the road and she's far far awa' Awa' wi' her rovin' ploughboy-o http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=69590 |
Subject: ADD Version: The Dark-Eyed Gypsy From: GUEST,Padraig (10 Feb 2015) Date: 22 Feb 15 - 02:05 AM Yet another version of the same song. The Dark-Eyed Gypsy 1 There were three gypsies lived in the East, And they were braw and bonnie O, They sang so sweet at the castle gate, That they charmed the heart of the lady, O. 2 She gave to them the sparkling wine She gave to them the brandy, O, And the gay golden ring that the lady wore, She gave to the dark-eyed gypsy,O. 3 When the lord of the castle he came home, And enquired for his lady, O, "She is gone, she is gone" said the young servant boy, "She's away with the dark-eyed gypsy, O. 4 "Go saddle for me my milk white steed, The bay is not so speedy, O, And I'll ride for a day and a whole long night, Till I find my own wedded Lady, O." 5 Then Giles put his spurs unto his horse, And off he rode so speedy, O, Until he fell in with his own wedded love, Along with the dark-eyed gypsy, O. 6 "Will you forsake your house and your land? Will you forsake your children three?" "I would leave them all for the one I love, And I'll follow my dark-eyed gypsy, O." 7 "Last night I lay on a fine feather bed, My own wedded lord beside me, O, But tonight I'll lie on a cold barn floor, In the arms of my dark-eyed gypsy, O." |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Reinhard (11 Feb 2015) Date: 22 Feb 15 - 02:06 AM The version of "The Dark-Eyed Gypsy" in the last posting seems to be from the singing of Joe Holmes as printed in David Cooper's book The Musical Traditions of Northern Ireland and its Diaspora, page 41. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,anton Date: 18 Jul 16 - 04:50 PM Refer to Matty Groves Tam Links Tir Na Nog |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,JeffB Date: 18 Jul 16 - 06:01 PM My favourite version was found by the American collector James Madison Carpenter. He is better known for the collection of shanties he made in the 1930s, but at some point he was in Oxfordshire where he met a mason called George Giles, who gave him a fine version he called "The daggle-tailed gypsies". Or perhaps he called it "The draggled-tailed gypsies" and Carpenter mis-heard him: it was recorded from Mr Giles under the latter title by Alfred Williams. Wiltshire County Council's website has a section which holds over 1000 of the texts Williams collected in Wiltshire and Oxfordshire in the folk arts/song search page at https://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/folk It also includes the version Mr Giles gave to Carpenter with the tune. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: GUEST,Jerome Clark Date: 18 Jul 16 - 08:07 PM Ian Tyson's album Carnero Vaquero (Stony Plain, 2015) features a brilliant modern retelling of the story. "Jughound Ronnie" is credited to Tyson and Kris Demeanor. It incorporates some traditional lyrics and scraps of the older melody (or one of them). |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Raggle-Taggle Gypsy From: Joe Offer Date: 25 May 21 - 01:36 AM I got an interesting Canadian (???) Les Barker parody in an email from Elizabeth Block. THE WRAGGLE TAGGLE GYPSIES, EH (Les Barker) here were three gypsies came to her door A block from Bloor in Toron-ti-eh And they said, Fair maid, would you run away, Would you go with the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh? Well, she went along All the way down Yonge, Sang a song at the offices of VIA And from there did go Through Ontar-i-o On the train with the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh. Well, her husband rode from Etobicoke* Where he works with a guy from Mississau-gi-eh And he soon did know the scenar-i-o, She did go with the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh. Come saddle me my milk-white steed And bridle me my pony, oh, I'll find my bride and ask her why She did go with the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh. It's a long, long ride through the countryside Of Ontar-i-o and Manito-bi-eh Out to Edmonton, where he found she had gone Further on with the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh. By now she'd be out in B.C., By the sea out in British Colum-bi-eh, Some say she may have reached Swartz Bay All the way with the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh. Well, he went then to Tsawassen Where he took the ferry very quickly, eh, And there he learned she had just returned To Toronto with the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh. "What, home again! Well, sod that then! I'm taking to the road out Cowichan Bay way, I'm over her, and Nanaimo, sir, I prefer to the Wraggle Taggle Gypsies, Eh! By Les Barker Transcribed from memory by Elizabeth Block. *Etobicoke has a silent K |
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