Important new article on Cecil Sharp

Subject: RE: Important new article on Cecil Sharp
From: meself
Date: 02 May 19 - 11:14 AM

Minor quibble: didn't the Appalachian people concerned refer to themselves - and don't they continue to refer to themselves - as "Scotch-Irish"?

Subject: RE: Important new article on Cecil Sharp
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 02 May 19 - 11:50 AM

Not until the late 19th century. More recently the label has mainly been used by racial fantasists and Protestant bigots.

I tried a number of different ways to search for "Scotch-Irish" on the Google Ngram Viewer - there is no obvious best form to use, and the results you get depend on details of spaces, dashes and quotes. Not much sign of the phrase before 1860 however you slice it, and it only takes off after WW1.

Subject: RE: Important new article on Cecil Sharp
From: meself
Date: 02 May 19 - 01:14 PM

I'm starting a new thread on the 'Scotch-Irish' question, in order to avoid hi-jacking this one.

Subject: RE: Important new article on Cecil Sharp
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 May 19 - 04:13 PM

I would have liked to meet Sharp,i was very disappointed with the description my stepfather gave of him.

Subject: RE: Important new article on Cecil Sharp
From: Brian Peters
Date: 02 May 19 - 04:42 PM

"didn't the Appalachian people concerned refer to themselves - and don't they continue to refer to themselves - as "Scotch-Irish"?

Actually they did in Sharp's day. I was following their modern preference, which is not to be called after a whisky.

Subject: RE: Important new article on Cecil Sharp
From: Rigby
Date: 02 May 19 - 05:28 PM

Jim -- I am now a junior training-wheels Mudcatter so should be PMable directly, I hope.

Subject: RE: Important new article on Cecil Sharp
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 May 19 - 05:31 PM

There's something on the terminology on Wiki. It says the terms 'Scotch-Irish' and 'Scots-Irish' are used in the US to refer to certain groups of immigrants.

It also says:

Although referenced by Merriam-Webster dictionaries as having first appeared in 1744, the American term Scotch-Irish is undoubtedly older.

I know wiki doesn't always get things right, but for those interested in following up the thought it is a start.