BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 12:43 PM

‘Long, considered’ posts are best typed in Word and saved, then copied and pasted into a Mudcat post. Then, if the ‘Cat falls over mid-post, you’ve still got your work in Word, and it’s a simple matter to repeat the c&p when Mudcat’s up and running again.

IMHO, of course. YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 12:32 PM

Fairy nuff.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 12:26 PM

Anyway I was probably talking bollocks as usual....

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 12:25 PM

I've done two long considered replies, Dave - but forgot to save.

Then its come up 'service not available'

Sorry but I don't feel like trying a third time.

computer says no! arrrgh.....!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 11:36 AM

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle - PM
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:26 PM

well I think I'm talking to myself.. You don't get it. You're angry and dismissive of people like Iains and myself.

Your trust has been abused big time.

We never really got to bottom of this did we, Al? You are very obviously not talking to yourself but someone quite specific. Just who is this mysterious "you" that doesn't get it, gets angry and dismissive of you and who's trust has been abused?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 10:49 AM

My Dad was a trade unionist that hated both communism and facsism, PFR. Like him, I think extremes of any kind are very dangerous. I don't believe for one minute that the current Tory party are fascists any more than I believe Corbyn's Labour party are communists. But there are extreme factions on both sides that need to be reigned in. While the ERG and Brexit party were so influential with the Tories, Labour needed their own extremes to respond. My sincere hope is that the Tories will now moderate their recent excesses and take notice of their new working class supporters. I am not hopeful though as BoJo has said he will do just that. His track record for the truth leaves a lot to be desired:-(

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 10:26 AM

Right then.. I vote Labour - but I'm not a fan of the Labour party...

So they have let's say 2 to 3 years to rediscover their traditional working class roots,
and claim the party back from it's middle class academic/identity politics hijackers...

At least the Northern disaster might serve to give the Labour party
the wake up call it's needed this last few years...???

At the moment it basically seems dominated by the culture and obsessions
of the more zealot extremes of the National Union of Students...

That's the public perception, obviously hyped up by right wing media and internet bigotry,
but to a significant extent based on reality...

Labour now has more than enough evidence that it's old traditional voter base
feel their party has been taken over by intolerant puritanical ideologue cuckoos
who dislike and look down on the working class....

If my dad - a factory machine operative and shop steward - was still alive,
I dread to think how even he might now feel despondent enough with his party
to punish them by voting tory...!!!???

[.. and if my extended family back on the council estate voted at all,
I daren't ask which party...]

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 08:47 AM

Thanks Dave - could you PM me how you did it, and what I’m missing please?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 08:25 AM


I've put that kindly. To put it less kindly, you understand nothing about anything. Cheers.

Not worth getting angry about, because it's hard to get angry with someone who routinely and manifestly demonstrates mental issues.

That from the pompous prig, the prosecco kid, that claims to insult no one!

Marr was stumbling a bit today - must be the antidepressants kicking in!

I totaly.ignore anything from Iains.
Earlier today he insinuated that I was posting drunk (over a post I'd made stone-cold sober), and, when I took exception, he accused me of posting with a hangover

I do like consistency!
A toon for a twat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA0NQYtwDw4

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 08:17 AM

There you go

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 07:52 AM

Anyway, now normal service has been restored, there’s a very good opinion piece by Andrew Rawnsley in today’s Guardian, titled “We will now find out what a triumphant Boris Johnson really wants and believes”.

I’ve tried to link to the piece but I keep getting a 404 error - perhaps some kind soul more internet-literate than me could make the link work and post it please?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 01:07 AM

"I thought Backwoodsman's little summation copy/paste was pretty good except it went unattributed. I'd like to know who wrote it and be able to see other stuff they've put over their byline."

I didn't give attribution because it was a social media post and the author has not given express permission for his/her identity to be shared, other than amongst a specific closed group of individuals. However, because the piece resonated with me - and especially because I found it very amusing in an ironic kind of way - I felt the thoughts expressed were worth sharing here, albeit anonymously. But, as a Remain-voter who has witnessed a great deal of abuse, including numerous examples of death-threats, from Brexiteers on social media, I have no intention of betraying a confidence and risking exposing the author to similar abuse.

So accept it for what it is, or don't, but it's all you're getting.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 08:00 PM

robomatic- me too!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 07:34 PM

I thought Backwoodsman's little summation copy/paste was pretty good except it went unattributed. I'd like to know who wrote it and be able to see other stuff they've put over their byline.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 06:41 PM

Well, boobs, it depends on which thrust and parry you choose to follow. The thrust and parry you chose to follow, from your massive distance, was a prime example of your resort to confirmation bias (which we all know you fervently seek as soon as the buzzword "Corbyn" is uttered). You are a tabloid victim, all the worse because you're trying to do it from a distance and because you're aching to be selective.

I've put that kindly. To put it less kindly, you understand nothing about anything. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 05:52 PM

This from a spoof site but it rings true to anyone who has been following the thrust and parry here:

"Prime Minister Boris Johnson exceeded all expectations in Thursday’s U.K. general election, and his landslide victory makes the U.K. all but certain to exit the European Union early next year.

Labour spokesmen said that they are “pretty sure” they lost so many seats because, “they didn’t call enough people ‘racist’.”

Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the main opposition Labour Party, said, “We clearly didn’t call enough people racist during this campaign. We’re going to have to step up our game next election and call people racist 50 percent more.”

Corbyn announced he would not be heading another election campaign after Thursday’s crushing defeat.

Some Labour supporters are already getting a jump on the next election, calling people old racists right out of the gate:

kyleukeeaton @kylelukeeaton

    Waking up to hear #ConservativeParty have won is like waking up at Christmas and getting coal, brilliant for old people and people who wanted #Brexit but not so good for people who didnt want a racist, disgusting values with no plan leader in boris,
    2:04 AM - Dec 13, 2019
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Paul Mason?
@paulmasonnews

BBC exit poll predicts Tories to take 70+ seats. If so - a victory of the old over the young, racists over people of colour, selfishness over the planet. Scotland will leave UK. However it does not feel right compared to on-the-ground.
11.7K
5:06 PM - Dec 12, 2019

https://genesiustimes.com/labour-pretty-sure-they-lost-because-they-didnt-call-enough-people-racist/?sfns=mo&fbclid=IwAR0UKCeMNkSxm7ti6-n7x09hh2AAAv3Sje4pVLKndSNFbFef5zeNmvc8Qto

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 05:17 PM

Your UK tabloids are like our AM radio stations owned by conservative 'Clear Channel'. The Robo comparisons to US politics is accurate.

The old saw that perception is reality (even when its a lie) does work in th short run, and by then its too late.

There is a big difference between Boris and Donald. Boris will not severely punish the UK.
Bannon has said "Because of the impeachment proceedings, Donald Trump will punish America in ways you have never seen before."

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 04:19 PM

Cross-posted with Dave there (I'm a slow typist and I review like buggery).

You are right about perceptions, Robo. But you have to consider who it is that manipulates the agenda and who twists and spins the facts in order to manipulate those perceptions. The overriding victory of this campaign belongs to the right, who got almost all the media on board for the purpose of demonising Corbyn. As a result, a decent and fair future agenda was lost and Corbyn and his allies will have to go. I'm a big supporter, and it grieves me to say that, but the mass media have comprehensively won the fight to bamboozle a politically-illiterate electorate (you should have seen the incessant BBC cheap-telly vox pops we've endured for six weeks...)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 04:08 PM

"You're angry and dismissive of people like Iains and myself."

I sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with you, Al, and on occasion your negativity is astounding, but at least you are a responsive and challenging contributor. But I'm appalled at the above alignment with Iains you've just made. Please read his last post again, carefully, and wonder at the whining hypocrisy and sheer dissembling over who insults who around here. If you like, I'll copy his post and underline the plethora of gratuitous insults, all uncalled for, in just a few lines of one post. I doubt that you need me to do that. Earlier today he insinuated that I was posting drunk (over a post I'd made stone-cold sober), and, when I took exception, he accused me of posting with a hangover. So yes, he's well worth dismissing. Not worth getting angry about, because it's hard to get angry with someone who routinely and manifestly demonstrates mental issues. Of course, if you really wish to be tarred with the same brush that's up to you. At the moment I don't see things that way and I look forward to engaging with you in a way that I don't want to with the likes of him.

And I disagree with you about Corbyn. Considering the terrible polls pre-the 2017 election, he at least put a basket-case party back on the map. This time, the big guns had learned the lesson and were out to get him. Four-fifths of the tabloids conspired viciously to demonise him, and it worked. And, just for once, the BBC played a major part in briefing consistently against him. Not saying that he did things right. He absolutely didn't, but neither did Johnson, but HE got the hale-fellow-well-met bye. Barring Jeremy's stance on brexit, which was grown-up but which gave the tabloids gleeful open season on him, he did things the same way as he did in 2017. Anyway, that's what I think, and I've respectfully taken you on.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:56 PM

Returning to my comment

The quote I heard yesterday (Friday) morning on NPR was from Hugo Gurdon of The Washington Post: Here it is from NPR's web site:

"CORNISH: Boris Johnson and the Tories win big. Labour had its worst defeat since 1935. Hugo, how did he do it?

GURDON: He did it with a very simple message - get Brexit done. But I think that this election was about more than Brexit. Boris Johnson is a very charismatic fellow. I worked with him every day for about a year at The Daily Telegraph when we were journalists together. He's got a lot of charm. He's not always honest, but he's nevertheless attractive. He was opposing a terrible leader, Jeremy Corbyn of the Labour Party, who's essentially an unreconstructed Marxist who's dragged the party so far to the left that he would - that he's made it unpalatable to Labour voters, not just those Labour voters - and there are lots of them who - in the north who are Brexit voters, but also people who are just not going along with the left wing project that he wants."

This is me, robo, again: Whether or not Mr. Corbyn fits the technical bill as a "unreconstructed Marxist" is not the point. The point is perception. And the perception of Mr. Corbyn has not been good in many quarters and individual stories that have made it into Mudcat. I'm going to compare it to the perception of Hilary Clinton in the States. Whether accurate or not, stories have accumulated and the remains of those stories have left perceptions, like a bad taste, in various memories. May be fair, probably isn't.

Anyhow, that's where the quote came from. As I wrote above, I don't have the long history required for a personal judgment on my own experience. But it is clear that there are those in this thread who DO have long personal experience. And they are not united. They are on both sides of that quote.

I am learning from both sides and I am enjoying this thread because it is so far pretty partisan but not too personal.

I believe in Democracy with all my heart. But it ain't pretty. It ain't supposed to be pretty. Pretty is actually a warning sign that someone's got too much control over the covering paint!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:50 PM

You're angry and dismissive of people like Iains and myself.

I'm not at all angry, Al. I have never been dismissive and I totaly.ignore anything from Iains. I must say that I am surprised that you would associate yourself with him.

Still, every man to his own.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:49 PM

The "no-one won" opinion
is exactly how I felt,
in the USA,
on November 2016.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:47 PM

Well why did a very low key boring Corbyn let it happen?
Is it possible momentum had an oppositional agenda?

Its clear there will be hard feelings forever but I also see a resignation of labour to the election - BUT NOT SURRENDER!


Iains perhaps I do pick on you for being corporate trained and brain washed.
I thought I only ad hom'ed Steve, and that, only in jest.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:26 PM

well I think I'm talking to myself.. You don't get it. You're angry and dismissive of people like Iains and myself.

Your trust has been abused big time. The revelations coming out today about what's been going on expose Momentum as a body completely disinterested in the fate of the poor people of England. Their own party was explaining to them what was going on on the doorsteps two years ago - and they gave not a shit. THey wanted control of the party - even if it meant total electoral failure.

After eight years of austerity and tory party wrangling, they would have pissed rings round the tories without Corbyn and Momentum. Two years later, people had it sussed that Corbyn was part of the problem - not the solution.
Not the people on this forum - but most people.

And Iains I'm sorry I don't agree with you - no one richly deserves being pissed about and misled. No one's won.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:22 PM

Nigel I am also a believer in doing our own work and writing.

But seriously if you start insisting we footnote everything I will consider you a crank and not a linear purist. So give us a break and let people live and learn by as many different ways that work for us as possible- hmm my arm just fell asleep, that means ts going to be up all night.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:07 PM

I know that if a statistical study is carried out on the insults posted on this forum concerning brexit the overwhelming majority come from the left. The problem is that you are so used to giving out insults and abuse you are no longer aware of it. Perhaps a little self reflection is in order. Your stock reply is to label those with a different opinion racist or troll, followed by a string of abuse.
Your self righteous posturing on this forum ever since the referendum has been clearly shown to be constructed on nothing but delusion. Your absolute certainty has been shown to be nothing but wishful thinking.
You were wrong on your predictions
You are wrong on who is responsible for insults.Just look at your posts over the last 24 hours.
You boyos backed a loser.
You lost the referendum
Youlost the vote for article 50
you lost the vote in the 2016 election
you lost the vote in the 2019 election.

Stop whining and try to act like adults. By every metric known to man you lot of leftards are losers. Bleating is not going to change that fact one iota. Many tried to tell you that you were inhabiting a bubble of delusion but you would not accept it.
Well the fickle finger of fate f**ked you all over beautifully and from your behaviour on this forum I would say it was richly deserved.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 02:26 PM

”Doesn't it give you just a moment's thought about your right to be so nasty to people who have been proved right?”

And I’ve told you numerous times that the really nasty-bastards are the Union-Jack-boxers-wearing Brexit-Bullies who make death-threats against Remainers. I’ve been told, on a number of occasions, that I’m a ‘Traitor who should be arrested, marched out, and shot at dawn for treason’, and ‘We know how to find you’, and I’ve seen it hurled around on social media many times more. I’ve never heard or seen a Remainer make that kind of threat against a Leaver. Being told you deserve death, and that those threatening you know where to find you is in a completely different order of magnitude to being told you’re a fuckwit.

So for fuck’s sake, will you stop playing the victim. There are just as many nasty-fuckers amongst the Leavers, perhaps more, than there are amongst Remainers - you only have to read some of the Leavers’ posts on this forum to see that’s true. The nastiest fucker on this, and other, similar threads is a Leaver.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 02:09 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 02:08 PM

Backwoodsman: Just to correct a couple of comments in your copy/paste:

One of the bast pieces I’ve read, in the aftermath of the GE....

”So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as pm.

Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to do list for you.

1. Get brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the nhs or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.
I expect to see us out of the EU by the end of January, in fact, this has been promised. There will still be negotiations needed to confirm our ongoing trading position with the EU

2. The nhs. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.
£350 million was not promised. This has been explained before. The comment on the bus listed what we pay to EU each week, and suggested we could spend it better, with more being paid to NHS. Nowhere did it claim that the whole amount would go to the NHS.
Oh, and £350,000,000 per week equating to 72,000 nurses? This means nurses are paid over £4,000 per week. Figures worthy of Diane Abbott

3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB. This is urgent.
No. Scotland were not promised that they would remain in the EU if we went for Brexit. They were told that if they went for independence (at that time) they would no longer be part of the UK, and so would lose their membership of the EU. If they were no longer part of UK then they would no longer be part of EU. If they remained part of UK then they would remain part of EU as long as the rest of UK did. This may be difficult to understand, but please try.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB. This is also urgent. There have always been calls in Ireland for re-unification. Whether Brexit makes those calls stronger is debatable.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out. The pound has already rallied, and the FOOTSIE 250 has also seen improvements. It seems the financial industries can see benefits which you cannot.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other. If Labour had won, and if they had proved to be a Remain party (rather than sitting on the fence) there would still have been a need to "bring the country back together". So this is a rather pointless point

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all british about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember if you fail to deliver any if this it’s on you, brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.”


Next time, try and come up with your own arguments, rather than some unattributed copy'n'paste.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 01:03 PM

Al - would you be more specific just who you are railing at...

Iains - would you be more specific just who you are hurling childish abuse at...

At least for my benefit, so I know clearly if I'm a 'leftard' and a 'dupe' or not...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 12:57 PM

Who are you talking to, Al?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 12:40 PM

project fear didn't just promise a downturn in the economy - you and your mates actually achieved it.

however, the revelation of the day is that Labour thought Corbyn was a vote loser and they didn't dare use his image on the campaign literature.

So if Labour thought that, it seems like it was only you lot who were actually taken in.

So all this abuse of Iains, and all that stuff on facebook and Mark Steel calling us fuckwits - it was really all about you being dupes of Momentum.

Doesn't it give you just a moment's thought about your right to be so nasty to people who have been proved right? We told youCorbyn was unelectable and YOU didn't listen

No ones fault but your own.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 12:33 PM

The leftard rugrats make dammed poor losers. The tactical voting did not achieve much did it.
Bojo took his mojo into Sedgefield (bliar blairs old constituency0
It is bnow staunch Tory.
Howsabout that then! Care to give an explanation?

Metropolitan labour dropped a bollock. On an election based on brexit, offering yes and no on an election manifesto is the act of mental deficients. That is why the valiant tories licked snivelling labour by a 2:1 crushing defeat. Iedeology bullshit obviously did not baffle brains this time around - apart from the hard left posting here of course.

A little toon for the rugrats!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So4KG40vf-o

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 11:05 AM

One of the bast pieces I’ve read, in the aftermath of the GE....

”So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as pm.

Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to do list for you.

1. Get brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the nhs or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.

2. The nhs. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB. This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB. This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all british about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember if you fail to deliver any if this it’s on you, brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.”

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 10:02 AM

.. at least Stanley Unwin's "Unwinese" made some sense...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 09:39 AM

Oh Dear, the leftards are acting like rugrats having just had their favourite toy confiscated.

Meanwhile the last rites for compo.
Dies iræ, dies illa
Solvet sæclum in favilla,
Teste David cum Sibylla.         l.
Quantus tremor est futurus,
Quando Judex est venturus,
Cuncta stricte discussurus!

Sure looks like the pollsters took their lead from Sibyl as far as compo was concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 08:22 AM

Larry didn't like Cameron, and I trust his instincts on that one.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 07:29 AM

One is only a nice tory if possessing all of Lord Sutch's first 6 singles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 07:23 AM

As we can see Iains is determined not to acknowledge Boris's appeal
that "now is a time for healing divisions..."

Iain's is a perfect example of the kind of nasty hostile tory
that Boris will have perpetual struggle with
in maintaining party discipline in government..

Nice guy Dave Cameron tried and failed in his PR project
to present the Tories as a humane compassionate party..

Time will tell how well Boris will succeed in reconciling any positive intentions with the overwhelming weight of vile c@nts in his party...???

His survival depends on it...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 06:21 AM

The smart New Zealanders can at least see the enormity of the wilful act of self-harm ordinary British people have just committed upon themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 05:41 AM

One thing that I have been discussing with people this morning is what happens at the next election. There is a widespread view that the 'red wall' voted in favour of the Conservatives because of either or both of Brexit and Corbyn.

Come the next election, the Conservatives will want to hold onto as many of those seats as they can and neither of those two drivers will be in play. So it is likely that they will spend a fair proportion of this Parliament trying to consolidate that hold. Quite what they will do remains to be seen, but it may well be more 'leftish' than we might normally expect.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 04:19 AM

au contraire commie corbyn is very much a marxist. Now he is a dead duck in the water marxist.
Even the bastion of leftards, the guardian agrees. You can rest assured whenever shaw pontificates on a subject subsequent events prove him wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/19/marxist-corbyn-revolution-ken-livingstone-labour
I suspect the guardian knows more about such things than a retired opinionated teacher.
The Sun does not mince words.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10394665/corbyn-speech-manifesto-hate/
He is a thoroughly nasty piece of work. However the British Public recognized his total inadequacy and gave his arse a royal kicking in the polls. The worst labour result in 80 years.
Bye bye Compo
Bye bye labour
welcome to brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 04:17 AM

You say "if it is an apt description" , Robo. It isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:57 AM

Then you are attending to the wrong kind of "commentator." Whatever else Jeremy Corbyn is, he is not a Marxist. Your posting history suggests to me that you regard being branded a Marxist as some kind of slur (many wouldn't, but hey ho). I suggest that you do your homework before you perpetuate slurs in future.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 03:03 AM

It would be more meaningful, and you may get more understanding, if we knew who your mysterious, unidentified ‘commentator’ is.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Dec 19 - 02:56 AM

Early this morning in explaining (not really) the events surrounding yesterday's important U.K. election, an English commentator described Corbyn as "an unreconstructed Marxist." I haven't the background in the politics on your side of the pond, but if it is an apt description, it explains a lot to me.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:39 PM

"The Conservative Party has now been installed like a official version of Windows 10"

..so it'll work seemingly ok for a few weeks
until the next random major failure...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 05:25 PM

The Conservative Party has now been installed like a official version of Windows 10, the labour party is like a bad version of Windows 98 which will never install because the file system is wrong!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 02:46 PM

no one won. (certainly none you'd care about) maybe the Labour party if it sorts itself out. It couldn't carry on with that idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 02:43 PM

Since June 2016 you have been squealing:
the referendum result was a fix,
people did not know what they were voting for,
that they were stupid,
that we need another referendum.

Well we had an election instead.
We won again - and still you leftards cannot accept it. Are you all going to continue drivelling for another three years?
Metropolitan Labour gave away seats in the labour heartlands. You all thought because you appeared to be winning in the blogosphere that you would walk it.

Well those labour seats that voted for brexit voted conservative to get brexit, Looks like humpty dumpty compo miscalculated with his sitting on the wall. All he achieved was aggravating his piles.
How sad!!!!