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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 22 Aug 22 - 07:06 AM The party in alleged power in the UK has now definitively shown it suffers from the Dunning-Kruger syndrome:
How will the vote counters check that: * Nobody is standing behind the voter, telling them to vote? * The vote as received is the vote as cast? * Nobody has compromised the counting machines? * The vote tallying machines are honest? * The voters' home machines haven't been compromised? .... and that's just for starters. I've linked to the RISKS Digest article, rather than the WSJ article it quotes (and links to), for the pertinent comment added at the end of the quote by the RISKS moderator. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 22 Aug 22 - 08:38 AM Followup, from the same edition of RISKS:
.... and that's just for official voting machines: consider how much more mischief would be possible with voters' home systems (which will be much less well defended) downloading voting software from Turing-knows-where. As ever, hard copy is the least-worst voting mechanism. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something, or has just been sold something at great cost (garbage in, Gospel out). I'd better stop there bef!po9iujk,m nnlkj ARGH NO NO NO 'kplkuyhjnm;olik;l[EOF] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 22 Aug 22 - 09:45 AM Given the situation with sewage pollution of the UK beaches, people might want to read the debate on the Environment bill in Hansard, particularly with the arguments why the Government rejected the Lord's amendment to the bill (amendment 45) which would have imposed stricter demands on the water companies to address the issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 22 Aug 22 - 10:10 AM I wonder, have any of them admitted that the real reason for rejecting the Lord's amendment is that they wish to maximise the dividends they receive on their shareholdings in the water companies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 24 Aug 22 - 04:20 AM i wonder what has happened to punk folk rocker |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Aug 22 - 08:30 AM "I wonder, have any of them admitted that the real reason for rejecting the Lord's amendment is that they wish to maximise the dividends they receive on their shareholdings in the water companies?" One needs to receive at least dividends of £2,000 which is tax free!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Aug 22 - 10:31 AM your point being...what, precisely? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Aug 22 - 02:32 PM Can't you read!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 24 Aug 22 - 03:20 PM I dont believe you are an accountant at all, prove that you are an accountant what is your name and who do you work for |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 25 Aug 22 - 06:57 AM BBC reports Europe's energy costs will set record highs for the next 5 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Aug 22 - 07:17 AM Ask him if he sings the blues. If he says yes, he can't be an accountant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:14 AM We have not quoted Marina Hyde, for a long time. Here's a gem from today's article. The UK needs a titanic figure; it feels like it’s getting a Titanic one. Truss is the relentlessly perky crew member trying to disguise the rush for the lifeboats as proof the cruise firm’s shore excursions are extremely popular. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:19 AM She's a gem of a commentator, that's for sure. May the good Lord preserve forever Marina and John Crace (who my sister once met at a conference - she told me that he's a lovely man). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 26 Aug 22 - 09:33 AM I agree with you about John Crace and not just because he is a Spurs supporter. + The Electoral Commission 2021 accounts makes for interesting reading. I was surprised by the amount of income that Labour have. Electoral Commission - 2021 Party Accounts |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 26 Aug 22 - 03:15 PM Re Marina Hyde's comment: Nail Head, this is Hammer Head; Hammer, meet Nail. I'm increasingly of the opinion that Trussed ("because I'm worthless") is only ahead because she's de Pfeffel's anointed successor, and that he's only anointing her because he doesn't want to go down in history as the worst English PM of all time. .... And oh how I wish I'd perverted that scent tag-line earlier, while it still had a chance to change at least one mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 27 Aug 22 - 06:02 AM I have just been listening to Rory Stewart's The long history of argument. I find it hard to imagine Johnson, Truss or Sunak being able to do something so reasoned, wide ranging and erudite. Once again, I am reminded that the whole of the Conservative party, and hence the country, could be in a very different place if he had won instead of Johnson. Sure, I won't agree with him on everything, and he would have had to find a way of handling the pandemic and the cost of living crisis as well, which could blow him off course. But I am convinced he would have tried to work in the country's best interest, not just his own. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 27 Aug 22 - 06:23 AM I once saw the definition of a baby as "a gastrointestinal tract with a loud noise one end and no sense of responsibility at the other". With a politician, how can you tell which end is which? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 07:32 AM Aha! This is very funny. It would be even funnier if it wasn’t so horribly true…Honest Government Ad… No apologies for the bad language - those Tory Twats are enough to make the Pope swear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Aug 22 - 10:26 AM And how would the Labour party have handled the cost of living crisis, I am yet to see a viable solution!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 12:23 PM ”And how would the Labour party have handled the cost of living crisis, I am yet to see a viable solution!!!” Whataboutery and deflection - the last refuges of a supporter of the selfish, greedy, and totally clueless Tories!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Aug 22 - 01:15 PM You don't have any answers do you, go on admit it!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 01:43 PM More deflection by a clueless Tory supporter. The Tories got us in to this mess, it’s they who need to get us out of it - their responsibility, nobody else’s. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 27 Aug 22 - 02:00 PM Well we have 177 billionaires in the UK, probably including multi-billionaires, so reducing their wealth to the last million or two wouldn't see them starve. If, say, £10,000/week is not enough to live on, then minimum wage, basic pension and welfare safety nets are due for an urgent uplift. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Aug 22 - 03:54 PM Lefty drivel once again, in fact it's never ending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:45 PM Righty Whataboutery and deflection once again, in fact it’s never ending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last refuge of the clueless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 07:56 AM bonzo prove that you are an accountant, you will be telling us that you are a Conservative MP next, Or are you liz Truss |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Aug 22 - 09:25 AM > you will be telling us that you are a Conservative MP next, Or are > you liz Truss Is that an either/or question? or have you been listening to Dead Ringers again? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 Aug 22 - 09:36 AM So, simple question - why is it impossible for a billionaire to survive on £10,000 but£500 mote than enough for a student nurse. Do you consider them an inferior species to those with more wealth than they wpould ever need several lifetimes over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 29 Aug 22 - 02:28 AM how will vat tax cuts help poor people with their bills and energy costs, and how much will it cost to implement , perhaps bonzo 3 legs might answer for once |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 29 Aug 22 - 03:24 AM People on low income could take out massive loans and buy a merc or a range-rover, and the saving on the VAT would then be more than enough to deal with the cost of living crisis for a few months. The only problem might be there would be so much toxic sub-prime lending the banking system would collapse within a year, but hey, think of the lovely banker bonuses now they are no longer capped. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Aug 22 - 05:37 AM Sharon Graham, the general secretary of Unite, has told the Labour Party to get a spine, which is a euphemism for grow a pair. Too bloody right. In just over two years' time we face the prospect of Trump in the White House and Johnson in Number Ten. Both countries are sleepwalking into this nightmare and what they have in common is a complete absence of effective opposition. This Labour leader is a disaster. His telling his ministers not to join workers on picket lines will come back to bite him bigtime. He thinks he can shout unrealistic "we have a plan" plans from the sidelines, shouts that are either laughable, ignorable or both. His effort to sideline the left is an automatic party-splitter and election-loser. No bullets are being bitten. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Aug 22 - 10:07 AM Johnson back in No 10 - an excellent thought!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 31 Aug 22 - 06:23 AM enjoy your night, mate... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 31 Aug 22 - 09:33 AM There are VAT savings to be made by a property owner! When a builder converts, for example, an office into flats, his services will be subject to 5% VAT. This reduced rate of VAT also extends to any materials he provides as part of his work. The professional fees charged by architects and surveyors will always be charged at 20% VAT. However, if the 5% VAT rate applies to the building work, some VAT planning could be undertaken. The professionals could provide their services to the builder. If he is VAT registered, he can recover the 20% VAT input tax. If the builder’s contract with the property owner is for a ‘design and build’ service, the builder will charge 5% VAT on his entire fee, including the materials and the professional fees. This will produce a huge VAT saving for the property developer. Architectural or design services, supplied as part of a ‘design and build’ residential conversion contract can be treated as part of the 5% VAT rated supply of construction services. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 31 Aug 22 - 12:23 PM Aah Bonzo, are you lonely, do you need someone to talk to. There's always the Samaritans and I've always liked the Salvation Army. I'm sure they could help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 31 Aug 22 - 01:10 PM For all the talk about cutting red tape from recent Tory Governments, both Tory & Labour seem reluctant to do anything about cutting tax regulations. The tax regulations are well overdue for reform and simplification. I will not be holding my breath though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 31 Aug 22 - 02:30 PM Talk is all it is, Rain Dog. There's a good article on p20 of last week's New European: "The phoney war on red tape", by Jonty Bloom. He points out, amongst other things:
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 02 Sep 22 - 02:28 AM Despite rumours to the contrary, neither the EU, nor the UK, nor any of the countries making up the EU, nor (most) other countries make up regulations for the fun of it. They are always about balancing interests of the various parties. For example some of the earliest food regulations in the US were about stopping businesses adulterating flour. There is only one potential set of regulations that it might be in the interests of both UK citizens and UK businesses to scrap, and they are ones put in place to protect EU special interests. One talked about at the time of the referendum was, if I remember rightly, regulations about competing with olive oil producers in Greece. Scrapping any other type of regulation is very likely to be against the interests of UK citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Sep 22 - 06:34 AM Surely it would be a good thing for leave voters to see an end to EU regional protection so that cheap produce can be flown into the UK from anywhere in the world and legitimately label itself as stilton, cornish pasty, Islay malt, etc etc and force UK manufacturers out of business so that corporates can add a few million more onto their balance sheets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Sep 22 - 06:38 AM ”…so that corporates can add a few million more onto their balance sheets” …not to mention a few million more on to their shareholders’ dividends. Which, to Tory BrexShitters, was the whole point of BrexShit, n’est-ce pas? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 02 Sep 22 - 07:07 AM No we we are outside the EU the protected status of things like Stilton no longer applies in law. But I suspect the EU is happy to maintain because we are respecting their protected origin goods. If we took action to say we would not repect thise I think we would suffer badly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:05 AM Good luck with Liz. She seems easily manipulated to me but a bit less whacky than Boris. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:27 AM I wouldn't trust her to run a tea stall never mind the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:51 AM I am more than pleased to welcome Liz Truss as Prime Minster. I do not think she will suffer labour fools gladly!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:58 AM She's as dull as ditchwater, as thick as p*igsh*it and she's incapable of stringing an English-language sentence together. She's more than once called British workers bone idle, yet seems unable to see that Boris Johnson is bone idle. Which he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 05 Sep 22 - 01:22 PM "Good luck with Liz. She seems easily manipulated to me but a bit less whacky than Boris." Easily manipulated? Who do you think is doing the manipulation? I see Priti Patel has resigned. I take it that she and Liz don't get on. It will be interesting to see who accepts that poisoned chalice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 22 - 01:39 PM She resigned because she knew she was going to be sacked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 05 Sep 22 - 06:39 PM Nadine Dorries resigning as well. Not sure what to make of that. Nadine Dorries joins Patel in quitting cabinet after Truss named next PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 22 - 07:33 PM Johnson has promised to make her a peer. Job for life. I wish we could make her dis-a-peer... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: robomatic Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:34 PM And again, from Spike Milligan: Cheer up, dear listerners, Old England isn't finished yet. . . It's finished.. . . CLUNK . . . NOW! |