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Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds

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Subject: Lets talk Rounds
From: lloyd64
Date: 30 Aug 00 - 10:35 PM

Lets talk Rounds

I am teaching a workshop on the subject of Rounds. I call it Rounds 101.

I have several Rounds I will be teaching, your input would be helpful.

Questions, What makes a round? How do you determine a two, three or four part rounds? What is your favorite round? Any help would appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: bflat
Date: 30 Aug 00 - 10:39 PM

Lloyd---Christine Lavin has a link as I recall to Sol Weber from her website. He has more rounds than anyone I know of and a recent recording. Christine is easy enough to find and a will just bet someone would be willing to do the blue clicky thing for you. Haven't learned how myself, as yet. Good luck.

bflat


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 01:37 AM

I consider it a round if the whole song is sung through repeatedly by each group or person doing a part. I think of canons as being part singing but not necessarily repeated. I have no idea what the "true" definition is supposed to be.

You might check around in places like Eastern Mountain Sports for a book and tape called "Hiking A Round". I'm not sure where my copy of the book is, but the tape has copyright 1996 Robert Ellinwood. One of the few tapes of rounds I know of...

When I teach a round (to children) we start by using a familiar one, like "Row Row Row Your Boat", to warm them up and get them used to the signals I used for each group to come in.

New rounds get taught line by line, then sung as a group, three or four times at least, and then we sing it as a two, or at most four, part round, until it's firmly in the class's mind. With older kids who have more singing experience it's easier, and we can do an elaborate eight part round earlier on, but even they need to go through the song several times to get the tune safely into their heads.

It takes a fairly good group to get away with doing "A Tuneful Song", where each person starts individually, but it's a great funny song to reward a lot of hard work.

What rounds will you be teaching?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:01 AM

Can't sleep, so I put together a list of rounds and part songs I know by heart. I can give you lyrics to any of these, and would consider tune requests a good reason to do the skull work of figuring out how to do ABC notation. I can figure out which notes, but how long is harder for me. I have some of them as sheet music though, and will I pretty much figure I can transcribe those all right.

List of Rounds A Ram Sam Sam, Above the Plain of Gold and Green, Ah Poor Bird, Chairs to Mend, Charlotte Town is Burning Down, Christmas is Coming (Goose Round), Come and Follow (Greenwood Tree), Come and Go, Cuckoo Song (From Out the Battered Elm Tree), Down by the Station, Ezekial, Father Father Goodbye, For Health and Strength, French Cathedrals, Frog Round (Hear the Lively Song), I Have Promises to Keep, I Love the Mountains, In the Rockies (Fishing Round), I Said I Would Take Heed, Joan Glover, Kookaburra, Little Tom Tinker, Make New Friends, Music Alone Shall Live, My Paddle's Keen and Bright, My Father Slew a Kangaroo, The Noble Duke of York, Oh How Lovely is the Evening, One Gingerbeer (Sometimes One Bottle of Pop), A Plea for One World, Prodigal Son, Frere Jacques, Hey Ho Nobody Home, Rise Up O Flame, Rose Rose, Rosen Fra Fuhn, Row Row Row Your Boat, Shalom Chaverim, Snail Snail, Sweetly Sings the Donkey, Taps, Three Blind Mice, Toompah (Rain on the Tent Top), A Tuneful Song, Vine and Fig Tree, Wasaw the 42nd, Westminster Bells, White Coral Bells, White Sands and Grey Sands, Why Shouldn't My Goose,

Canons or part songs Dona Nobis Pacem, Here I Sit, The Keeper Would a Hunting Go, Zum Gali Gali (although we sang it as a round), Swing Low Sweet Chariot (with all three parts), Swinging Along (the Open Road), Joe Hill, Thank you my Friend, Buddies and Pals,

Maybe rounds? Bed is too Small, Ho Young Rider, The Stars at Night,

Can you tell I like rounds? And except for the kids at work, I've got no one to sing them with!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: sian, west wales
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:25 AM

I have a very small handwritten book of music (probably late 19th century) with a round written - music and words - in a circle. Staff notation and all. Neat.

My favourite round is a Welsh riddle:

Had maip Mon
Heuwch nhw'n gynnar, mi ddown
Ac os na ddown nhw, ddown nhw ddim
Ac os mi ddown nhw, mi ddown.

Which is to say

Anglesey turnip seeds
So them early, they will come
And if they don't come, they won't come,
And if they do come, they will come.

Got it? No? Well, the "they/them" before the commas refer to the seeds, the "they/them" after the commas refer to crows.

Is this normal? Or is this Welsh?

sian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:11 AM

I got Sol's book of rounds at Old Songs, but lent it out the next day and HAVEN'T GOTTON IT BACK!!!! *grrrrrrrr* gotta go get it!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: Jacob B
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 02:28 PM

Here is a link to the information page for Sol Weber's Rounds Galore book.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:21 PM

"What makes a round?" a round is a song in parts, each part of which harmonizes with the others. I have a friend who studied rounds in a workshop, and she told me the way to compose a round is to select a scale, then omit the 4th and 7th notes of the scale when composing your melody.

In all rounds I have sung, each set of singers waits out the same number of measures before beginning the song. Thus, a six-measure round has three parts, each two measures long.

It makes the round more interesting if one part is singing eighth notes while another is singing halves or quarters, although there are many interesting old rounds consisting mostly of long notes.

Here are the words to a sophisticated round from the 1600's which we enjoy. Sorry that I don't have a way to give you the tune.

Seven cities of Greece, 'tis said/Claimed Homer's birth when he was dead/Through which, alive, he begged his bread.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:30 PM

"What makes a round?" a round is a song in parts, each part of which harmonizes with the others. I have a friend who studied rounds in a workshop, and she told me the way to compose a round is to select a scale, then omit the 4th and 7th notes of the scale when composing your melody.

In all rounds I have sung, each set of singers waits out the same number of measures before beginning the song. Thus, a six-measure round has three parts, each two measures long.

It makes the round more interesting if one part is singing eighth notes while another is singing halves or quarters, although there are many interesting old rounds consisting mostly of long notes.

Here are the words to a sophisticated round from the 1600's which we enjoy. Sorry that I don't have a way to give you the tune.

Seven cities of Greece, 'tis said/Claimed Homer's birth when he was dead/Through which, alive, he begged his bread.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:32 PM

Sorry about the duplication. The first time I submitted, the computer seemed to get a packet stuck in its throat, so I did it again.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:34 PM

Sorry about the duplication. The first time I submitted, the computer seemed to get a packet stuck in its throat, so I did it again.

Sian, thanks for the Welsh round. Is there anyway you could communicate the tune for that?


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Subject: Lyr Add: CIRCLE OF SOUND ROUND (Lloyd Michalsen)
From: lloyd64
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:50 PM

Thanks to all. Rabbitrunnung, what a list of rounds. GUEST,leeneia, Thanks for you help. Jacob B, I will order a book, thanks.

It is very difficult to explain why a round works and when is it a 2, 3 or 4 part round.

The easiest thing for me to say is if you can write a song that is played with only one cord and the length of each line has the same number of beats you have a candidate for a round. The rounds I will be teaching are:

Music alone shall live
O how lovely is the evening
. Have you seen the ghost of John

And a four part round I wrote:
("Circle of sound" is a song circle group I started in Western North Carolina)



CIRCLE OF SOUND ROUND
By Lloyd Michalsen
Aug. 2000
  1                          2
D D E F# F# F# F# E D
Circle of Sound, on a mountain top.

3 4
F# G A A A G F#
sing a round, and never stop.

1 2
D D E F# F# F# F# E D
Circle of sound, with friends so dear.

3 4
D E F# A F# E D
lift your voice, and spread good cheer.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: lloyd64
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:52 PM

Sorry the spacing on my round did not come out right, but you get the idea.

lloyd


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:54 PM

lloyd? third line, "friends" as two notes?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:40 AM

Are all notes the same length? (That's what always gets me stuck with ABC notation, so I'm kind of relieved to see someone else has the same difficulty.) I like the words, right well.

With four girl scouts in the car, we sang a lot of rounds, so they are "comfort music" to me. Sort of the audible equivalent of macaroni and cheese...

Some of 'em are in the mudcat forums, some 'em aren't. I'm planning on taking advantage of your lovely thread to add a few, though.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: WyoWoman
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:19 AM

Here's my favorite round:

The Collegiate Version of 'Row, Row, Row Your Boat

Propel,propel, propel your vessel,
Placidly down the liquid solution
Ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically
existence is but a delusion.

ww


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: sian, west wales
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 04:48 AM

Leeneia, I can't ever remember seeing Had Maip Mon written down. I picked it up from someone. Ummm. Don't know if I have enough theory to transcribe it myself. I'll see what I can do ... it's kinda fun. A good range within the melody, which I always think makes for a good round.

sian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 05:14 AM

My favourite round is called 'When Celia was learning at the spinnet to play' and is tudor in origin. Trouble is, it's a) too complicated to reproduce without the music/words and b) too suggestive to do in most company!!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:30 PM

Liz, is that the one that when one person sings it, the lyrics are pristine, but when a group does it in a round, the words are very rude? Mercedes Lackey mentioned a round that did that and I have wondered for YEARS what she was referring to.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: Jacob B
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:38 PM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: Jacob B
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:39 PM

I think Henry Purcell may have written that, and I understand that he wrote many such delightfully lewd rounds.

"'Tis a long-pricked note you pluck"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: MMario
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:41 PM

"When Celia" is in the book of catches I am planning to transcribe...see new thread. I'll make it the next one I do...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: MMario
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 03:05 PM

not one of Purcell's - It was written by John Isum sometime before his death in 1726

Celia learning on the Spinnet


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 04:54 PM

I think "The Cuckoo" must be a catch, since it's pretty long. I posted it here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 04:56 PM

Whoops, let's try that again...

I think "The Cuckoo" must be a catch, since it's pretty long. I posted it here, but it probably belongs in MMario's thread, which is here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lets talk Rounds
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 08:52 AM

There must be some great new rounds making the rounds (sorry) over the past 11 years! Anybody got some to share?


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