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Lyr Req: Oxford Town (Bob Dylan)

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Subject: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: GUEST,big__bad__b
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 09:54 AM

Please help me! I have a song contest at school, and I need to know the title, artist, and any historical background on these songs. I need it today! Any help would be greatly appreciated.

SONG #1

He went down to Oxford town,
Guns and clubs followed him down,
All because his face was brown,
Better get away from Oxford town.

SONG #2

We loved each other then Loreena
Far more than we ever dared to tell
And what we might have been Loreena
Had our lovings prospered well

Vent is part, the wars rool on
I'll not call their shadowy form
I'll say to them lost years sleep on
Sleep on and heed life's peltering storm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: MMario
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:07 AM

Check American Civil war sites for information on "Loreena"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Clifton53
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:08 AM

The first is called "Oxford Town", recorded by Bob Dylan on a record called 'Freewheelin", from the early/mid 60's. It refers I think to the civil rights movement in Mississippi and the murder of civil rights workers there. Don't know the 2nd song.

Clifton


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:23 AM

re: Oxford town

the information including name (James Meredith) and picture is here

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:30 AM

According to this page, Lorena was written by Reverend H.D.L. Webster. It says:
"H.D.L. Webster, a Presbyterian minister in Lanesville, Ohio, wrote the words to this song in 1856 after family opposition prevented his marriage to 19-year-old Ella Blockston, who sang in his church choir. Some years later, when composer J.P. Webster (no relation) asked the Reverend for words to accompany a piece of music he had just written, Webster offered this poem. Although the heroine was originally named "Bertha," she was re-christened "Lorena" to provide the three-syllable name needed to fit the meter of the music. Thus did the lost love of Reverend Webster's youth secure a place for herself in musical history."

The main page, Poetry and Music of the War Between the States, is a great place to find songs. It also gets you into the "Civil War Circuit," a collection of linked Civil War web pages.

The song has been recorded many times, I'd suspect. Our own Kendall Morse has it on a tape. According to The Folk Index, the song's on the following recordings:

1. Blake, Norman; and Red Rector. Norman Blake and Red Rector, County 755, LP (1976), cut# 3
2. Fraley, J. P. and Annadeene. Maysville. Old Time Fiddle Tunes, Rounder 0351, Cas (1995), cut#A.08
3. Karl and Harty. Karl & Harty with the Cumberland Ridge Runners, Old Homestead OHCS 137, LP (197?), cut# 11
4. Morse, Kendall. Lights Along the Shore, Folk Legacy FSI-057, LP (1976), cut#A.08
5. Rucker, Sparky and Ronda. Blue and Gray in Black and White, Flying Fish FF 70611, CD (1992), cut# 5
6. Whisnant, Johnny. Johnny Whisnant, Rounder 0038, LP (1974), cut# 15


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: GUEST,big__bad__b
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:31 AM

oh, you people are saints! thank you so much!

Big__Bad__B


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:34 AM

The other verses, if memory serves ...

(1)
Oxford Town, Oxfrod Town,
Everybody's got their heads bowed down.
Sun don't shine above the ground,
Better get away from Oxford Town.

(4)Me an my gal, my gal son,
We got met by a tear gas bomb.
Don't even know why we come,
Better get back where we come from.

(5)Oxford Town in the afternoon,
Everybody singing a sorrowful tune.
Two men died 'neath the Mississippi moon,
Somenbody better investigate soon.

Not one I sing much! Sorry, don't know ##2 either.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:39 AM

Dear big bad b, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thrilled to pieces you're doing these songs for a school song contest, and that you're interested in finding their history. Wish we could hear you, but I don't think we'd all fit. ;-) Good luck with the contest. Maybe if you have time later, you could tell us how it went.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: GUEST,big__bad__b
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:50 AM

While on the subject, do any of you know the historical significance (ie event and date) of "Graceland" by Paul Simon and "Allentown" by Billy Joel?

BIG BAD B


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 11:18 AM

re: Graceland

This is a recording of a concert given at Rufaro Stadium, in Harare, Zimbabwe in 1987 in front of a large and enthusiastic crowd. At the time this was about as close as Paul Simon, Miriam Makeba and Hugh Masekela could get to South Africa for various reasons (Miriam Makeba and Hugh Masekela were political exiles), and it is interesting to speculate as to how much of a contribution these artists made to the dismantling of Apartheid in that country. The concert covers the entire Graceland album, with a few additional tracks from the guest performers. Looking at it now, it is not an especially great concert, but for its time it had a lot of meaning, and therefore the DVD makes a nice historical document.

copied from a webpage (BBB, it is fairly easy and fun to find out these things using a websearch; try it yourself when you are less pressed)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: GUEST,BBB
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 12:53 PM

I tried searching for many many hours, but couldn't come across exactly what I was looking for.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:10 PM

Sorry, I sometimes forget how difficult a search can be.

Background material and questions for teachers including among others the song 'Allentown' in their lessons

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: GUEST,Otter Boy
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 06:27 PM

The recording of Lorena with the best musical break (dobro) in my opinion is by the Seldom Scene. Whoooooo---ee!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 09:55 PM

You are right Jeri, I did record Lorena for Folk Legacy some 25 years ago. The problem I have found with all other renditions is, they dont sing all of it. I do.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Knicke
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 03:57 PM

O my. MY fav. version of "Lorena" (though I am admittedly biased) is Mr. John Hartford's. He has a way of making solo banjo SING better than anyone else can. 'Course, it's hard to ruin such a good tune as that. Otter Boy, have you heard the Seldom Scene's version of "Stompin' at the Savoy"? THAT'S kickin' dobro!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: kendall
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 04:10 PM

I did enjoy John Hartfords rendition of Lorena, but, as is usually the case, he didnt sing all of the verses.


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Subject: Lyr Add: OXFORD TOWN (Bob Dylan)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 02:18 PM

It may be too late to help our guest with his/her school song contest, but it looks like the complete lyrics to "Oxford Town" have never been posted at Mudcat, so here goes:

Copied from http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/oxford.html
(There are sound samples at that site also.)

OXFORD TOWN
(Bob Dylan)
(First release: "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan," 1963.)

Oxford Town, Oxford Town
Ev'rybody's got their heads bowed down
The sun don't shine above the ground
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town

He went down to Oxford Town
Guns and clubs followed him down
All because his face was brown
Better get away from Oxford Town

Oxford Town around the bend
He come in to the door, he couldn't get in
All because of the color of his skin
What do you think about that, my frien'?

Me and my gal, my gal's son
We got met with a tear gas bomb
I don't even know why we come
Goin' back where we come from

Oxford Town in the afternoon
Ev'rybody singin' a sorrowful tune
Two men died 'neath the Mississippi moon
Somebody better investigate soon

Oxford Town, Oxford Town
Ev'rybody's got their heads bowed down
The sun don't shine above the ground
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town

Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: HELP ME PLEASE!!
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 02:20 PM

"Lorena" is in DigiTrad, here.

It may also be found, with chords, in the Forum, here, here, and here


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Subject: RE: HELP ME PLEASE!! (Oxford Town - Dylan)
From: pavane
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:42 PM

On the sleeve notes to Freewheelin', Dylan claimed that this was a banjo tune that he played on guitar.

Does anyone have any info on that?


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Subject: RE: HELP ME PLEASE!! (Oxford Town - Dylan)
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 01:04 PM

I always figured that was just Bob making one of his smartass remarks.

Of course, if I'm wrong and "Oxford Town" is indeed based upon some established banjo tune, we can be sure that some Mudcatter will enlighten us soon, probably within an hour or less.


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Subject: RE: HELP ME PLEASE!! (Oxford Town - Dylan)
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 02:01 PM

There's a familiarity to the tune; it could almost have been modelled on Yarmouth Town (at least as Peter Bellamy sang that song). Whether the respective dates fit (Dylan certainly picked up a number of tunes while playing in the UK, and re-cycled them almost immediately) I wouldn't know. Bellamy reckoned he'd "collected" Yarmouth Town from an (unnamed) Norfolk singer, but the tune does sound rather like an American "old time" piece; more so than Dylan's tune, to my ear.


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Subject: RE: HELP ME PLEASE!! (Oxford Town - Dylan)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 03:26 PM

Paul Simon is a writer whose career as folk influenced/acoustic/singer/songwriter hit top gear in the 1960's and sometimes he seems to speak just to us - the 1960's generation.

Graceland is the mansion Elvis Presley lived in Memphis, bought on his first record royalties and named after hs mother - who died while Elvis was serving as a soldier, doing his draft time. All our generation would know that.

In the song Simon is ostensibly going as a tourist to visit Graceland like millions of other tourists. However the song is also a pun on the Judeao/Christian ideal of being in a 'state of grace' - that is being at ease with oneself and ones creator.

In the song poses a question. How is the modern generation with its failed marriages, failed relationships and confused sexual mores going to travel to that state of grace - Graceland.

Perhaps there is sigh in there for the certainties expressed in the Southern Gospel music - so beloved by Elvis, but the restless pattern of the world music beat driving the song says - this is today, our day - and we are all pretty sophisticated travellers on this bus. we can travel to Graceland our way.

Sorry I don't know the Billy Joel song. Hope this is not too late for your project.


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Subject: RE: HELP ME PLEASE!! (Oxford Town - Dylan)
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 03:46 PM

Four years on? He will probably have left school by now. I think the earlier questions can safely be let alone at this late date. Do you have any comments on Pavane's question?


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Subject: RE: HELP ME PLEASE!! (Oxford Town - Dylan)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:59 PM

whooops didn't notice the dates - like you say the kids probably a mogul now - closing down entire industry's with a stroke of his pen.

I first heard Yarmouth town round about 64 at Exmouth folk club, sung by a guy called Paul Snow, who ran the club. It was very popular. That must be before The young Tradition - I think. I don't whether it was Peter was singing even then - probably. the strange thing is its not in the maritime museum at Yarmouth - well it wasn't last time I was there.

Is it Oxford Town?

Could be. There was feeling prevalent at the time that Dylan had nicked everything from us, Bob Dylans Dream (Franklin) Girl of the North Country (scarboro fair) Masters of war (The Patriot Game or Nottanum Town).

But he was also taking from American trad as well - Don't think Twice (Who'll Count Your Chickens) Talking Blues etc.

Sounds a little bit to me like the Little Sadie one that he sang on Self Portrait (twice!) - where sadie gets blown down by a smoke pistol
late last night I went down
Went and blew little Sadie down
Oxford Town in the afternoon
everyones singing a sad sad tune

all the best
Big Al


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Subject: RE: HELP ME PLEASE!! (Oxford Town - Dylan)
From: pavane
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:40 AM

I heard Peter Bellamy play blues guitar, but I never heard of him playing a banjo.

I had the impression that it was more likely to be an American tune.

(PS Don't forget Dylan's versions of The week before Easter, Lord Randall, Leaving of Liverpool, The Parting Glass, to name a few)


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