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Subject: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: LoopySanchez Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:47 AM Not that it matters to anyone, but all the elitist liberals who cited the study showing that Bush has half the IQ of Bill Clinton have a nice big plate of crow to eat today... You see, the institute that supposedly conducted the study doesn't exist, nor does the study! It was all made up, because some leftists just couldn't handle the fact that a Republican is now President. Now, I'll be the first to admit that Clinton's bulb is brighter than Dubya's, and when it comes to Bush speaking in public, I think most of the nation holds its collective breath and hopes that he won't commit a monumental verbal faux pas. But to create a study out of thin air and get major newspapers to publish articles about it as if it were fact, that's just plain pathetic. Anyway, here's the story, if anyone cares. Thursday, Sept. 6, 2001 newsmax.com 'Doonesbury' Admits Being Stupid Enough to Believe Anti-Bush Hoax Not many people have an IQ low enough to believe a left-wing lie that President Bush has half the IQ of Bill Clinton, but "Doonesbury" cartoonist Garry Trudeau was that foolish. Now he's finally admitting his stupidity. Long after the hoax had been exposed, the apparently ill-read Trudeau used it as the basis for his comic strip Sunday. But even his "apology" is as smarmy as his cartoon. "Trudeau takes full responsibility, acknowledging the use of fictional material from an outside source instead of simply making it up as he usually does," his Web site says. "The creator deeply apologizes for unsettling anyone who was under the impression that the President is, in fact, quite intelligent," says the statement, showing once again that "Doonesbury" is nothing more than leftist propaganda. Trudeau told editors in an e-mail that a "usually reliable" source had informed him of a "study" from a non-existent "Lovenstein Institute" of Scranton, Pa., that cited so-called "world renowned" authorities using something called the "Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking." Incredibly, the obviously phony "study" had also duped a columnist for London's liberal Guardian newspaper and spread to newspapers in Australia and New Zealand. Of course, far more people saw the lie perpetuated in Trudeau's comic strip than will ever read the "apology" at his Web site. Not that he'll lose any sleep over that.
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Wolfgang Date: 07 Sep 01 - 11:23 AM Yawn. See this thread from weeks ago. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: LoopySanchez Date: 07 Sep 01 - 11:34 AM Oh, my bad. Thanks for taking the time to point out that there was a similar thread a few weeks ago. I tried to find it but couldn't, so I posted this story about Doonesbury. Apologies for posting old news about the study being an internet hoax. As for the Doonesbury story, that's new news, so I'll leave it for all of Mr. Trudeau's left-wing fans to enjoy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 07 Sep 01 - 11:36 AM This sort of thing bugs me. I dont like Bush, but, spreading this crap is cheap and damned juvenile. I'm against spreading lies, just as I was about the right wingers spreading lies about the Clinton administration vandalizing the government offices when they left. All horse shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: SharonA Date: 07 Sep 01 - 11:53 AM There's certainly nothing new about Doonesbury's political position. I have fond memories of Trudeau's depiction of Frank Rizzo, years ago when he was mayor of Philadelphia (when he was alive!), with machine gun in hand, refusing to allow some of the main characters on a cross-country trip to enter "his" city! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Lepus Rex Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:11 PM Bush is still a moron, though, right? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: CarolC Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:17 PM LoopySanchez, I think I would have to agree with your position on the practice of mud slinging. I guess, in the end, it's really the one doing the slinging who gets the most muddied. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Sep 01 - 02:01 PM How about vocabulary? It is obvious that Bush and Clinton have about number of words in their vocabulary. Difference is Clinton didn't make his up and he knew the definitions of most of 'em.
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Lepus Rex Date: 07 Sep 01 - 02:26 PM JTS, take that statement back. Bush's vocabularity is just as gigantomungeous as Clinton's is. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: LoopySanchez Date: 07 Sep 01 - 02:38 PM No doubt, Bush is a long way from the brightest light on the Christmas tree... It really pained me to have to pick between the two candidates out there this time, knowing that one was a rich guy with poor communication skills and marginal intelligence, and the other was a rich pathological liar with similarly marginal intelligence who talked to us like we were the dimwits...I guess I just wonder where the media sources pointing out Bush's gaffes were when Al Gore walked through Monticello as VP and couldn't identify busts of George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, among others, or when Clinton watched military maneuvers for a solid minute through binoculars with the lens caps still on. The media probably reported that story as "Clinton Impressed with Effectiveness of Army's New Camoflauge Uniforms--'I Couldn't See a Dang Thing', Says President". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: LoopySanchez Date: 07 Sep 01 - 02:47 PM Bush just has a bad habit of "Adverbalizing" certain adjectives... And he's quite fantastical at it, if you ask me. Anyone ever see "In Living Color" when Damon Wayans played Oswald Bates, the prisoner who read everything he could while locked up, but couldn't understand a single word of it? Everything ended up sounding like a Jesse Jackson speech intertwined with a butchered science class filmstrip. That's what I'm afraid Bush is headed towards...
"Please allow me to objectify to the method of rectumciliaton of differences brought forth by those Congressmen whose constipation for my policies has brought forth nothing but gridirons since the day I took orifice"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Lepus Rex Date: 07 Sep 01 - 02:51 PM I KNEW Bush remindicised me of someone... ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: GUEST Date: 07 Sep 01 - 03:20 PM bushisms.com |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 07 Sep 01 - 03:50 PM Gore couldn't identify Jefferson? Clinton didn't have the sense to remove the lens caps? More lies?How come I never heard about this until now? I dont believe anything anymore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: gnu Date: 07 Sep 01 - 05:03 PM Ya knoooow... I was thinking of starting a thread about what The Big Dink said just the other day regarding the fact that he thinks Mexico is just the cat's meow. I looked for threads from other Canucks, but didn't see any right off. I decided I wouldn't start one because, hey, I know which end is up. I figured the other lads /lasses were either as pissed off as I was or maybe just kind of surprised that he would say something so fucking stupid or so outright bullshit. In any case, I guess what bugs me is that the Canadian business community is becoming so "Americanized" that we are seemingly willing to go along with this obvious ass-kissing to gain the trust of the Mexican people, regardless of the fact that doing so puts our honest, "gentlemanly" reputation at risk. SIGH... John Wayne is rolling in his grave. And Garge is a fucking pussy idiot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: LoopySanchez Date: 07 Sep 01 - 05:33 PM Kendall, There were actual video clips of both Gore and Clinton's faux pas. I saw the video clips on the short-lived Rush Limbaugh TV Show back in '93 before I grew tired of his massive ego and long-winded self congratulatory delivery method. As for why you haven't heard about it until now, the answer is: In the 92 elections, 89% of D.C. News Bureau Chiefs voted for Clinton. I found an online video Gore at Monticello: http://www.mediaresearch.org/news/goregaffesvideo.html
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: DougR Date: 07 Sep 01 - 06:33 PM No Lepus, George W. is not. I for one would be happy to see the results of the IQ test you so obviously must be quoting from. Oh! You're just stating an opinion? I see. Okay, you have that right. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Lepus Rex Date: 07 Sep 01 - 06:46 PM Yes, I do, Doug. Very observatious of you. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: DougR Date: 07 Sep 01 - 06:47 PM Thank you Lepus. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: MAV Date: 07 Sep 01 - 07:22 PM Gnu,
I guess what bugs me is that the Canadian business community is becoming so "Americanized" that we are seemingly willing to go along with this obvious ass-kissing
The "Canadian business community" is simply a small part of the U.S. business community.
The last time I checked you guys were also North Americans. (Except of course for those Canaquois who think they are Parisian).
And Garge is a f****ing pussy idiot
SIGH!!!!!!
Like I said:
According to a recent ABC News/Washington Post (Democrat National Committee Butt Kissing) poll:
The President's approval rating is 59%. Americans say the President is taking a stronger leadership role than congressional Democrats by 51-38. 68% say the President has strong personal character. 67% say the President is a strong commander-in-chief. 67% say the President has a vision for the future. On the issue of education, 63% approve of the President's performance. A majority of those polled say the President has brought needed change to Washington. 60% say the President told the truth about the policies he would pursue as President. At the same point in his presidency, only 46% said the same of President Clinton. Remember, only about 30% of the voters are registered Republicans and 30% are registered Democrats. The President's Successes: Education- House passed May 23 (384-45); Senate passed June 14 (91-8) Tax Relief- House passed May 26 (240-154); Senate passed May 26 (58-33); Signed June 7 Community & Faith-Based Agenda- House passed July 19; bipartisan bill introduced in Senate Prescription Drugs- Unveiled new drug discount card for seniors on July 12; sent Congress Immediate Helping Hand proposal on January 29 Medicare- Unveiled principles for improving Medicare on July 12 Social Security- Appointed bipartisan Commission to Strengthen Social Security on May 2 Patient Protections -Forged bipartisan solution on August 1; Passed House August 2 Energy -Unveiled comprehensive national strategy; House passed August 1 (240-189) Trade- Sent Congress international trade agenda on May 10 Economy- Took immediate action to boost our lagging economy by enacting tax relief, paying off historic levels of government debt, and pursuing policies to open world markets to American goods and services. Budget- House passed March 28; Senate passed April 6 (65-35) New Freedom Initiative- President submitted to Congress February 1; key components implemented Defense- Signed quality of life increases for housing, pay and training on July 24; directed Secretary Rumsfeld to conduct comprehensive defense review Debt Reduction- Budget provided the fastest, largest debt reduction in history Environment- Budget includes historic levels of funding for environmental conservation and protection; ordered Cabinet-level review of climate change and reported initial plans on June 11. Campaign Finance Reform- Sent Congress principles for reform on March 15 Election Reform -Accepted Ford/Carter National Commission on Federal Election Reform and announced principles for election reform with President Carter on July 3 Racial Profiling -Ordered Attorney General to review federal policies Foreign Policy -Met personally with more than 60 world leaders. Visited Mexico, Canada, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Poland, Slovenia, Kosovo, Italy and England. President Bush accomplished all this - and more - despite having a razor-thin majority in the House and a Senate that is now controlled by the opposition party. By comparison, President Clinton in 1993 enjoyed large majorities (82 seats in the House and 14 seats in the Senate) yet still wasn't able to deliver on his key campaign priorities. Additionally, many of the scandals which plagued the the Clintons had erupted by now during this period of their administration. Having nothing better to harp on, the fact that the liberals, mafia and socialists persist in their effort to portray President Bush as mentally deficient and inept is WEAK, very weak indeed. It indicates nothing more than their delicate condition of desperation as do the futile and crybaby rantings of both D'ashole and Garp D!*khead. It's a good thing for you "W" is such a moron and so ineffective or you marxists (and other self serving pro-bureaucrat special interest groups) would be in real trouble. By the way, "W" has also promised to let the thousands of social program department head positions die of attrition as the overpaid do-nothing bureaucrats retire. Their office staffs will also be dismissed. That perot-vian "giant sucking sound" of "non-essential government worker payroll" will be lessened, then stopped. mav out |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 07 Sep 01 - 11:36 PM HHMMM KINDA MAKES YOU WONDER WHY THE "lIBERAL" MEDIA IS SO TOUGH ON gARY cONDIT. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: DougR Date: 08 Sep 01 - 12:00 AM Well, Kendall, they got to CTA. They can't afford to defend him, can they? Neither can the Democrats. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Sourdough Date: 08 Sep 01 - 02:36 AM And the liberal media gave a free pass to Clinton. You could hardly find any coverage of his misdoings. If anyone thinks that reporters set the agendas of newspapers, magazoines and networks, I suggest they think about where the real power is. Do you think Rupert Murdock is at the mercy of his "liberal" reporters? Sourdough |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: gnu Date: 08 Sep 01 - 04:47 AM I stand corrected. Garge is a great man indeed. Just tactless. Add this to your statistics : Percentage of Canadians he pissed off with one sentence - 100, plus or minus SFA. Now, about tact. Whilst on his visit to the US's largest trading partner, Garge was served PEI potatoes five times. It was Colin who advised Garge that they were eating PEI potatoes AGAIN - apparently Garge has absolutely no knowledge of the French language and didn't pick up on the menu listing. Jean asked Garge how he was feeling and upon learning that he had suffered no ill effects from La Pomme de Terre d'Ilse du Prince Edouard, suggested he personally have a look at the import ban on PEI patates. Two days later, the ban was lifted... no need to turn off any gas or lumber or potash or iron ore or.... just a gentle nudge, with some tact. Anyway, I don't want to discuss your politics becasue I know little about them. But I do know that it takes an idiot to piss off 30,000,000 people with one sentence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 08 Sep 01 - 09:20 AM And, thats not counting the millions in the USA! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: John P Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:53 AM Getting back to the roots of this thread: LoopySanchez, it's a comic strip! It's fiction! It's sometimes funny, sometimes not. It's not the news. It's not even editorial page opinion. It really isn't real. Railing against Doonesbury makes as much sense as Quayle railing against Murphy Brown. Maybe less. John Peekstok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: DougR Date: 08 Sep 01 - 01:58 PM It may not be "editorial page opinion" to you, John, but that's exactly where I think the strip belongs;on the editorial page. And I am an avid reader of Doonesbury. I assume in your criticizm of Dan Quayle, you are including Senator Leiberman too, right? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: John P Date: 08 Sep 01 - 03:31 PM What did Senator Leiberman do, Doug? I have to confess I never paid much attention to him -- he was trading on his faith in the political forum too much for my tastes and I tuned him out. Since he's a politician, I've no doubt he's as capable of idiocy as any of them. Doonesbury does appear on the editorial page in my paper, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a comic strip. I just think it is silly to castigate the writer of a comic strip for not achieving high journalistic standards. John Peekstok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Sep 01 - 04:12 PM Doonsbury is classed as an editorial cartoon. But one has to remember that a cartoonist's job is humour. His job is to point out a politician's weak points through exageration. If you don't agree with him you will probably not find it so funny. But it is not a big deal. GNU, The comment you are talking about, Is that where Bush said something along the lines of "There is no relationship more important for the US than the one with Mexico"? You know you have to expect politicians to suck up. He seems to have left room to say that the relationship with Canada is of equal importance. And no doubt, next time he is in front of Canadian politicians he will. Canada and the USA have an interesting relationship. Remember Mulroony's quote about sleeping with an elephant? In general Canadians know a lot about the US and USA people know almost nothing about Canada. Canada is usually better off when the Yanks don't notice her. So please don't make too much of a fuss. Now, if they would only stop blaming us for their bad weather. On the subject of relative IQ's Since average IQ is 100 and only a very rare genius goes over 150. I don't think anyone could get to be president with an IQ under 100, no matter who your dad is. It is highly unlikely that Clinton has twice the IQ. But so what if he does? I am sure that delegation and teamwork are what counts in that job. And George is smart enough to surround himself with good people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: gnu Date: 08 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM Jack ??? ... ""There is no relationship more important for the US than the one with Mexico." ... He seems to have left room to say that the relationship with Canada is of equal importance." I dunno, bye. Seems to me he left just enough room for the noose to tighten. Anyway, don't make no nevermind a me. I still belong to the British Commonwealth, so he can have a tequila and sod off. When he wants some more water, lumber, gas, iron ore, nickel, uranium, potash, etc, he can come explain it. But he'll be eaten fuckin potatoes for breakfast... another big load a potatoes, Bud the Spud from the bright red mud, their from Prince Edward Island (Stompin' Tom Connors). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Bill D Date: 08 Sep 01 - 05:16 PM More Bushisms http://slate.msn.com/Features/bushisms/bushisms.asp this is perhaps the source....it is startling what the man will say. I wonder if he has some sort of disorder like dyslexia that exacerbates his tendency to simply say things he has not really thought much about. (Just the other day, I saw clip of Clinton at some event, and was reminded how clear and coherent he sounded. His staff and the media who followed him used to remark how well-read on stuff he was...now if could have just managed his zipper as well...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: gnu Date: 08 Sep 01 - 05:29 PM Lysdexia should not be made fun of. I don't berate Garge for his diction.... just that he is a dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: GUEST Date: 08 Sep 01 - 07:01 PM actually, it was Trudeau who made the remark about the elephant. MAV and Uncle Jaque, the emperor has no clothes. I'm curious, when he falls on his face, will you two disappear again? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Bill D Date: 08 Sep 01 - 09:13 PM The emperor will not likely fall totally flat, as he, like Reagan, has almost competent people proping him up and feeding him info constantly. I suspect that 97% of what he says is written and/or rehearsed...it's just the extemporaneous 3% that gets thru for the collectors to make fun of. No president knows or deals with everything, but some have better perspectives and grasp of the basics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:01 PM I stand corrected it was Trudeau. Below is a URL to a site putting the statement in historical perspective. I am glad I read it. It makes me grateful for the state of the world today compared to then. Oil Embargos. Vietnam war. Unfriendly relations between Canada and the US. Nixon was corrected for claiming that Japan was the USA's biggest trading partner. Maybe it is inevitable that the USA takes Canada for granted. But there are worse things Thank you GUEST.
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/hist/canada9-e.asp#elephant |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: GUEST,Jenna Bush Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:24 PM My dad makes $400,000 a year, gets to live rent-free in the best house in the country, gets free car service, has a luxury airplane at his disposal and is the most powerful man in the world today. Meanwhile, some idiot named "Lepus Rex" who spends his time trying to be clever at "the Mudcat Cafe" thinks Dad is "a moron." I mean, like gime me a break. Can you imagine America being run by a President Lepus Rex? I thought not. Jenna |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 09 Sep 01 - 09:00 AM Have another drink sweetie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: MAV Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:00 AM apparently Garge has absolutely no knowledge of the French language
Who said he did? He know Spanish (and some English).
PEI patates?
Sounds like Maine patois.
Now, about tact.................I do know that it takes an idiot to piss off 30,000,000 people with one sentence
You mean like when your illustrious leader insulted "W" and all his supporters by calling him a moron?
I don't want to discuss your politics becasue I know little about them.
Nor I yours, but I generally like Canadians of any language persuasion.
Ever heard of a Zydico group called "Beau"?
mav out
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: MAV Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:07 AM Dear "Guest", MAV and Uncle Jaque, the emperor has no clothes. I'm curious, when he falls on his face, will you two disappear again?
At least people know who we are and can see and talk to us.
You are just a fig newton of our imaginations, sort of like a Trudeau cartoon character>
mav out |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Bill D Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:09 AM well, Bush is not aware he speaks "Spanish" "Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican."—Declining to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: MAV Date: 09 Sep 01 - 12:41 PM "Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican."—Declining to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001
Good!
This is entirely consistant with his forcing the lying elitist bastards to live in the Texas desert during the month of August.
mav out |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Bill D Date: 09 Sep 01 - 01:33 PM and how dare them "lying elitist bastards" quote him exactly when he mangles the language and insults an entire country..*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 09 Sep 01 - 01:37 PM And was it ok for George senior to call Clinton and Gore "Bozos"?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Gareth Date: 09 Sep 01 - 01:44 PM Remember, by defenition half the population of the U S of A must be of less than average intelligence. And it is only fair that once in a while they have a President who represents them. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: MAV Date: 09 Sep 01 - 02:08 PM Hey Bill,
and how dare them "lying elitist bastards" quote him exactly when he mangles the language and insults an entire country
I don't have a problem with that as long as they don't editorialize in "news" columns (which they do) nor filter by burying or omitting significant stories (which they do).
Just the facts if you don't mind.....anything less is a disservice to the public. And was it ok for George senior
There is no "George senior", his middle name is different.
to call Clinton and Gore "Bozos"??
It is hard to excuse his indiscretion on this.
What he did was say "Wouldn't be prudent", "Not goin' do it", "Not goin' do it", "NA..GA..DA!!!" when given the choice to call them "Bozos" or proclaim what he really thought of them (lying, pandering, race-baiting CRIMINAL hacks who never had a single core belief between the two of them, other than self-promotion).
I think I'd stick with Bozos.
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Murray MacLeod Date: 09 Sep 01 - 02:40 PM Gareth, sorry to be statistically pedantic, but since the arithmetic mean is the measure used to calculate average IQ, then it is not true that there are as many Americans below average intelligence as above. Actually, there are many more below average than above average. If the median IQ were used as the average, then your statement would be correct. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Bill D Date: 10 Sep 01 - 12:24 AM "I don't have a problem with that as long as they don't editorialize in "news" columns (which they do) nor filter by burying or omitting significant stories (which they do)." ummm..Mav...it seems to me that ALL newsmedia editorializes a bit...this OTHER paper in my area distorts, edits and colors the news to suit the more conservative side of things...even more so than the Washington Post and other more 'liberal' media do....Are they lying bastards? Or do only 'elitists' (whatever that is) lie? As the old saying goes.."It all depends on whose ox is being gored" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: GUEST,Dr. J Date: 10 Sep 01 - 05:38 AM Actually, Gareth, the traditional IQ tests like the Wechsler and Binet tests were standardized with an assumption of a bell curve, such that the mean, median, and mode would be the same. In actuality, of course, IQ distibutions vary from the theoretical, but they do approximate a normal distribution and roughly half do fall below the mean. Of course, when I read articles about IQs of famous people, I usually find one important fact missing, namely, how the IQ was measured. Dr. J |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Murray MacLeod Date: 10 Sep 01 - 06:51 AM Four people in a room. One has an IQ of 180. Three have an IQ of 100. Average IQ of people in room = 120. 25% are above average, 75% are below average. QED. End of discussion. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Wolfgang Date: 10 Sep 01 - 07:05 AM To add a real example to Murray's invented: Much more than 50% of the US population have a below average income. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: GUEST,djh Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:07 AM I think it was a good thing , I think we should start more rumors about Bush.Like the ones his administration started about Clinton Trashing the White House and stealing everything that wasn't bolted down on airforce one. Republicans live on nasty rumors and fear tactics. I think a special investigator should be Hired at the expense of the tax payers and Millions of Dollars should be spent looking for Bush's intellect, when they don't find it, Impeach. I don't need a think tank real, fake, or otherwise to tell me Bush is an Idiot Figure Head tool for rich, powerful, and contemptable swine in the republican Party. Even if No one is getting a (gasp)BJ. The Nation is getting screwed! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: gnu Date: 10 Sep 01 - 02:18 PM Jean called Garge a moron ???!!! I saw Jean on TV shortly after they met and all he said was that Garge is a nice guy. Anyway, I tend to agree with Jean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: GUEST,Dr. J Date: 10 Sep 01 - 03:56 PM Wolfgang, Income does not even come close to a normal distribution. It would be a "J" curve (with a fixed bottom and a theoretically infinite top), so the mean, median and mode are quite different. IQ tests were designed and standardized to be normally distributed, which is why the actual distributions do approximate a normal curve if the tests are given to people representative of the standardization sample. However, the tests do not get restandardized every five years or so, and scores of people in the US in general have tended to rise over the years, so that, if my memory serves me, the average (mean and median) IQ of children in the US is now over 100. (I have not kept up with the latest research on this, so I'm not sure of the specifics.) Dr. J |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Gareth Date: 10 Sep 01 - 05:00 PM All of which is intelectually stimulating, but drifts from the main point. You don't have to be intelligent to be President or Prime Minister, you just have to fool enough people, (Or get your brother to count the votes) Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: LoopySanchez Date: 10 Sep 01 - 05:32 PM I forget, Did Jeb Bush count the votes in Tennessee and Arkansas too? Next election, make sure your side hands out a few more packs of Marl"Gore"o cigarettes to homeless people, and prints up a few more stacks of registration forms to pass out in each city's jails. And make sure the students at Marquette U. are better organized in 2004! For God's sake, some of them only got to vote 6 or 7 times apiece! Do all of that and it won't come down to the Supreme Court's 7-2 decision that your candidate's recounting techniques were illegal, or the 5-4 decision that he wouldn't get yet a fourth chance to try to count ballots honestly because the game clock ran out on him after his third attempt.
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 10 Sep 01 - 06:11 PM And, while you are at it, make sure you spend many millions overseas, and promise the military pay raises too. Also, make sure the absentee ballots that come in after the deadline are counted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: DougR Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:28 PM Ho hum. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: kendall Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:49 PM I believe you people would vote for and support Attila the Hun if he was a republican! Somehow, you would be able to make excuses for him no matter what he did! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Murray MacLeod Date: 10 Sep 01 - 11:33 PM Guest DRJ what you are describing is statistical manipulation of data to make it fit more naturally to a more convenient mathematical model. IQ as a measure is an invention of statisticians in any event, but to design a measurement standard and decide in advance that it must fit a preconceived distribution renders the whole concept prctically meaningless. Data either does or does not fit a normal distribution. The heights of a human population do fit a normal distribution very closely. The weights of a human popilation do not. But neither of these facts could have been established a priori. For statisticians to say that "We will design a measure such that the results will approximate closely to a normal distribution" is spurious science, to say the least. Murray
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's IQ = 1/2 Clinton's? Total Hoax! From: Bert Date: 11 Sep 01 - 01:44 AM Hoax, maybe, but SO believable. |