BS: Thatcher speaks no more

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 05:15 PM

That could really be a bit scarey. Him booming away, and Her glaring round, and fixing people with the glittering eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 05:34 PM

The woman cannot be defended. All that she did was motivated by malice. Her credo was oppression. She cynically undermined a (partly, at least) democratic system. She stole from the poor to give to the rich. Remember her words "There is no such thing as society". Vilification is the least she deserves. Anything I have wished upon her is not adequate, for there is nothing that could be.

Do not be ashamed of me. Be ashamed that you did not oppose her: her inhumanity; and be ashamed that we all did not rise in arms against her. Be ashamed that she survived to old age, in luxury, while those she dispossessed suffered in the poverty that she had caused, and caused only to make herself and her kind richer.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: DougR
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:14 PM

I dunno, Richard, it appears to me that Terry K., Ringer, Unidentified Guest on 3/26 at 01:21 P.M., Teribus and Guest Aldus have done a pretty good job of representing the minority view on this thread. And I've read all the posts.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 08:48 PM

Cllr (in a long-awaited return to the thread he started) is spot on with that observation about Thatcher v Kinnock. Without doubt Kinnock was a better speaker (on his day) and by miles. But in the cut and thrust of debate, Thatcher had his measure every time - even in the Westland debate, where Kinnock held all the cards. This cannot merely be about power. Blair is in power with a colossal majority, yet in Commons spats, William Hague invariably came out on top.

Fiolar, the "lady's not for turning" was of course a play on Christopher Fry's play, "The Lady's not for Burning."

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Fiolar
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:26 AM

I think it was the Gaurdian recently who compared her to "the ancient Mariner." Some of the lines in the poem could have been written specially for her. "The Wedding Guest he beat his breast,
Yet he cannot choose but hear;
And thus spake on that ancient man,
The bright eyed mariner."

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Ringer
Date: 02 Apr 02 - 08:33 AM

Richard Bridge: it is evident from your post that you know a lot about malice. Nevertheless, I believe you to be mistaken.

In my experience (and it's a generalisation to which there are many honourable exceptions), those of the left suffer from an inability to attribute honest motives to those who may disagree with them. It's as though their point of view is somehow absolute and self-evident so that there can be no possibility of dissent; ergo, dissent must be motivated by malice. (As an aside, I point out that when such people get into power dissenters end up in gulags, as, entirely consistently, befits the malicious.) Again in my experience, this phenomenon is often accompanied by a complete failure of sense of humour.

In my opinion (and my point of view is contrary to yours), Mrs Thatcher's motives were not malicious. Unlike the current inhabitant of No 10, she was prepared to make, not just talk about, hard choices, and she put popularity low down on the priority list. One of the major criteria she used in making these choices was "What's good for Britain?". Certainly, people suffered as a result of her choices, but people (different people) would have suffered had she made different choices or none. Again, this is a generalisation, and it's likely that you can find exceptions.

If you admit that she often acted honestly according to her lights, you can still disagree with what she did, but at least you won't appear quite so dehumanising about her.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 05:30 AM

No matter how strong you are, no matter how significant your achievements there comes a time for everybody when you have to let go and hand over to new people.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 04:48 AM

It will be interesting to now "read what she has to say."

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 05:04 AM

I agree with Richard Bridge and a so many million people in Scotland and Wales.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Terry K
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 01:10 PM

...then Tam, you and Richard and your million that you claim agree, ought all to grow up and stop paying lip-service to the kind of juvenile socialist rhetoric that every teenager spouted back in the sixties - an example from Richard " ...be ashamed that we all did not rise in arms against her ....". How utterly pathetic is that!!!

Cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:08 AM

Any "word" from her lately?

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: GUEST,GrayD
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 05:18 PM

Note to Bullfrog Jones

Its going back up the thread a way but "the destruction of the British Trades Union movement"? How can I put this?

OI! BULLFROG! NO!

We're still here. We're still trying to represent our members' rights. We're still making a difference. We're just not making many headlines these days.

GrayD (just back from a very constructive meeting with management in a VERY big company)

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 05:59 PM

Myself, I always thought that William Hague looked like a pompous buffoon in his sparring matches with Blair. Blair came across as a drip, of course; but if anyone came off worse in the exchanges, I think it tended to be Hague.

I know the pundits in the media were prone to put it the other way - but why should I give any more weight to their views than I do to mine, when we'd both been watching the same drab soap opera on the TV?

Mr IDS on the other hand does surprisingly well. Far better than his predecessor.

Applying the "who would you want for a next door neighbour" test, I think I'd sooner have IDS than Tony. Sooner have Ken Livingstone of course. Or Ann Widdecombe for that matter. And if it was Thatcher I'd move. What a horrible thought...

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Gareth
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 06:50 PM

Kevin _ I take it will be McGrath of the Hebrides next ! Is that far enuf away ???

Small prediction while that woman and her clones exist we will never foget here in Wales.

And as for the "Thatcher Foundation" well long may she suffer from piles !

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 08:20 PM

GrayD -- Thank you. I'm happy to stand corrected. Good luck in your negotiations.

Subject: RE: BS: Thatcher speaks no more
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 08:35 PM

One good thing about Harlow - and there are quite a lot - is that never in a million years would she stay here longer than she had to.

She came here once to a factory on the quiet, but it didn't stay quiet for long, because people were phoning each other up to come and boo her from across the road and there was a fair turnout within half an hour, and she had to get out the back way. And that was before mobile phones.