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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:54 AM and also the 1st |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:54 AM if i was in the 'land of the free' i would be a traitor and sent to prison for speaking my mind, i take the 5th |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:52 AM anyone who says that bush is an arsehole is all right by me. tom and so is tony blair |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: JohnInKansas Date: 28 Dec 06 - 04:00 AM Nostalgia break: Dixie Chicks at Stage 6 gives a brief rememberance of what was apparently the first public appearance of the group under that name, at the Walnut Valley Association Acoustic Music Festival. There were four girls in the group then, and I haven't followed them closely enough to keep track of the subsequent reorganizations of the group. John |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 27 Dec 06 - 06:45 PM The photo is now part of the cover of the DVD "Shut Up and Sing" a documentary by Barbara Kopple about the reactionary backlash to Natalie Maines' London concert statement. As to their musicality and complexity as artists--they are maturing very well. I doubt June Carter was near as complex as a music artist at the same age... Love "Taking the Long Way" CD, btw. Comparison to Dolly is a good one, though I believe the mold has been broken by the Chicks. Nice to see they chose to follow their instincts, and not try and ingratiate themselves back into the Nashville fold. Not that they were ever really part of it anyway. Nashville doesn't exactly embrace openly independent women, especialy in-your-face, ribald women like the Chicks. Best thing that ever happened to country music--along with Roseanne, that is. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 30 Apr 03 - 09:57 PM Dear Green Man, as ye already know when it's Milking Time down at the Dairy everybody lends a hand.. llll olll.. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 30 Apr 03 - 04:31 PM Bunch a cluckin' hens - but a fun topic to read - |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Sam L Date: 30 Apr 03 - 04:11 PM maybe he means in the way the beatles "reunited" or that Nat Cole "duet". |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 30 Apr 03 - 04:02 PM Oh dear. Who's gonna break it to Frankham? |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Frankham Date: 30 Apr 03 - 03:51 PM Now if they come out with a recording of the Dixie Chicks and Frank Zappa, together, I'll be the first in line to buy it! What a great combo. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,Green Man Date: 30 Apr 03 - 10:07 AM Sorefingers, wouldnt give a loaded machine gun to a monkey? Been reading the papers lately? Dixie Chicks - right on. I may be a Brit but I know what freedom of speech means. Have a 'nice' day y'all. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Sam L Date: 30 Apr 03 - 09:11 AM Well of course the media seems slanted to a liberal point of view. Wherever you find educated people you find liberals. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Spartacus Date: 30 Apr 03 - 08:52 AM I swear I'm done with this thread after this....Don, I think your a well educated person. I'd actually enjoy sitting down with you and having a friendly debate about this another time. We just disagree on a few things. We all have something to learn from other peoples viewpoints if we put ourselves in thier shoes for a while and consider why they think the way they do. Enough said. Guest...You need to read the entire thread before you call me a "conspiracy nut". I don't care what those women say. I'm more upset that they felt they had to apologize. And I told Don that a great deal of the written media had a slant. You just went on naming television and radio personalities like you knew how the whole thing started. You don't have any idea what I stand for. By the way...I voted for Nader. Nice Try. -Spartacus P.S. I think NPR is tapping my phones.... |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Don Firth Date: 29 Apr 03 - 09:09 PM I make no assumptions, Spartacus. It appears that you assume that I assume. I read widely and check out all viewpoints. Always have, always will. And I don't get all of my news from domestic sources. Nor, for that matter, do I believe everything I read or hear. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,Chris Date: 29 Apr 03 - 06:30 PM In the 60s, Judy Collins said, "I've never met a really good Republican folksinger." But the NashVegas acts play to Bubba Six-Pack: Lean a little left, and we'll stomp your ass. When someone asks you the difference between folk and country, tell them that. And, while I'm entirely appreciative of a nude photo of three foxy lady pickers, I'm thinking it's what Dubya would call strategery: Lean a little left so I can see those cute ta-tas. I forgot what it was you said about what's-his-face. God, I'm getting jaded. Chris |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,Chris Date: 29 Apr 03 - 06:14 PM "Ask the lord the gift to gae us To see oursells as others see us. R. Burns" Sorry, gang: I'm an English teacher/Quote stickler. Robbie said in "To a Louse": O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us To see oursels as others see us. Sorry to be a crowlin ferlie about it... Chris |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 29 Apr 03 - 05:55 PM Like Fox News? Or MSNBC? Or perhaps the McLaughlin Group? Radio entertainers trying to pass themselves off as policy pundits and their programs as legitimate forums for policy debate by and for informed, knowledgeable thinkers of the day--like Rush Limbaugh? Or Imus, perhaps? You appear to me to be one of the right wing "liberal media" conspiracy theorist nutcases, Spartacus. A man who follows the party line, rather than thinks critically for himself. Which is why you don't like the Dixie Chicks. The Dixie Chicks did your commander and thief wrong, and that was it for you. End of discussion. The only result of you declaring that you need not examine your knee jerk "beliefs" (I'd call it brainwashing, myself) and what The Party tells you to believe about the vast left wing "liberal media" conspiracy, is that you not only will not have the last word, but nothing you say will be taken seriously by many thoughtful, critical thinking people anyway. People like Natalie Maines, certainly. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Spartacus Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:26 PM Don, The media control topic is another discussion entirely, and a long one at that. I'd suggest that you read the big news publications and decide what kind of a slant they have instead of assuming that you know the politics of the people who don't even know they own them. That's not a exactly a deep dark secret either. Why don't we stop before it gets ugly. We obviously just disagree. -Spartacus. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Don Firth Date: 29 Apr 03 - 02:07 PM And by the way, as to the matter of who controls the media, the Republicans or the Democrats, ninety percent of the media is controlled by five mega-corporations: Viacom, General Electric, Disney, Time-Warner, and Rupert Murdock's News Corporation. If you doubt this, look it up for yourself. It's not exactly a deep, dark secret. This doesn't exactly look to me like a list of wild-eyed liberals. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Don Firth Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:56 PM True, Spartacus, I don't know the Dixie Chicks personally, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt before I decide to toss them into the Dumpster. My judgement is based on the fact that when push came to shove (i.e., in the Diane Sawyer interview), in essence, Natalie Maines said "that's what I said, it expresses how I feel, and I'm sticking with it." And the other two ladies supported her. This, despite the fact that they have a lot to lose by taking such a stand. To me, that denotes a certain strength of character--not something that distinguishes our current crop of national leaders. And no, I don't think you're going to get the last word on this one. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Apr 03 - 12:12 PM Well, my Dixie Chicks mail-ordered CD arrived in my P.O. Box this morning, so I'll be listening to it on my drive to work. Meanwhile (thread drift but it's short. . .) I heard this morning that SOMEONE has set up a web site to try to relieve Michael Moore of his Oscar for best documentary. They claim Columbine is all fiction so his work isn't a documentary. Sounds like a dying confused gasp by Charleton Heston as he leaves the NRA and hopes to discredit a gun basher AND a Bush basher in one fell swoop. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,noddy Date: 29 Apr 03 - 10:58 AM Hey what are we talking about???? Is it we like the chicks for talking out and insulting the president ? is it they upset Americans?? is it they posed nude and are upset you cannot see anything?? Is it we are jealous cos they sell more CDs than us ?? I am confused but thats usual. To set it right Kim C. I like the DCs got a CD wont break it and include Travelling Soldier in our set. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Peter T. Date: 29 Apr 03 - 09:53 AM Spartacus and I agree on something -- I think Frank Zappa was a good musician. In fact, I have heard a number of music scholars acknowledge that he is an important figure in modern music. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Spartacus Date: 29 Apr 03 - 08:58 AM Ok. to "guest" (who could be any one person or group of people but won't use a name) :First, some people (maybe not you, but others) in this thread have basically suggested that because the Chicks sell records they must be good. Second, I hate to ruin your conspriacy theory, but the majority of the media is Democratic. If you really think the "republican media" has an agenda to ruin the Dixie Chicks career....well....you should find a hobby. Finally, Frank Zappa was an amazing musician. We can all argue about who we like and don't like because that's an opinion. Frank Zappa was a good musician. He had a great deal of knowledge about music, and ability to use it on quite a few instruments. This is not open for debate, it's a fact. If you don't like what he does with his knowlege of music, fine. But he knows more about music that all three of the Dixie Chicks put together. To Don Firth. I too know how to play a handful of stringed insruments. The two sisters in the band are reasonably good at playing their instruments. I never claimed that they weren't. I doubt you know the Dixie chicks as people, so maybe you should'nt make claims about what good people they are. My girlfriend loves them. I've heard the records. It's all 1-4-5 pop music with a banjo and a violin. It's like rock band, adding a washboard and a squeezebox and calling it zyedco. BTW...everyone has to stop responding to this thread...how am I ever going to get the last word in if you all keep responding? =) If everyone wasn't so far away, we could go have a lot of beer and one of those late night debates that ends with the drunken "you're the best, man" hugs and goodbyes, followed by everyone forgetting the whole debate. (I do this with my friends once a week) -Spartacus |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Amos Date: 28 Apr 03 - 12:23 PM Hell, I question whether he is actually a Terran.... A |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,Dixie Chicks Date: 28 Apr 03 - 12:21 PM Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Sam L Date: 28 Apr 03 - 11:55 AM Guest, I think that's true enough, but there may as well be some basic recognition of facility. People say Dylan isn't much of a singer. Well, one may not like his voice, but I think it's hard to say he doesn't get a lot more musicality out of it than you'd expect. My personal notion of the dixie Chicks is quite apart from facility--I just have issues of taste with their stuff, the doggy emotionalism of it. I like a little more cat-like coolness about the more obvious emotions, a bit of indirection. The songs of theirs I've heard are blunt, they milk the songs, and there's nothing left over, nothing lingers. Just my feeling. On the other hand I guess I like them as much or possibly more than others in that sort of vein, they're all quite attractive people, clothed or not, tummied or lean, I don't care if they get naked for whatever reason. Commercial success doesn't prove anything one way or another, but rising in the market does make some demands on you, imposes some limitations, a little 'branding' of what you can do, making choices to be known and recognised in a particular way. For some people a lot of that comes naturally, though. It can affect people, draw you in to the game of hitting and missing, wanting to do well for your crew and support. Some stuff I used to sell, I'd have an idea which were the best, but at the end of the day whatever hadn't sold started to look a little sour to me. Much as I deplore threats and intimidation, I'm not going to run out and buy a cd in support, because I hear enough of them without trying, and I don't think they need financial help, or extra credit. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Frankham Date: 27 Apr 03 - 08:37 PM BTW, the Chicks can pick and sing! I don't care for the "snuff Earl" song too much but these are popular artists who are very talented. I'd love to hear them do a traditional album some day. They're right up their with Dolly, I think. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Frankham Date: 27 Apr 03 - 08:35 PM Spartacus, It doesn't matter what you say to the media because they will twist it around to suit them. Artists have to spend thousands to sue the people that misquote them and often the only recompense is a small retraction somewhere at the bottom of the page where no one can read it. Who knows what the Dixie Chicks really said? I guess those who were at the concert could tell us. I don't think it was televised. And yes it is important that they exercise the right to say what they think, whether it offends some or not. As for some things left unsaid because it suits the agenda of someone's politics...well....this is the ploy of a dictatorship. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:19 PM "It's a hard claim to support that Zappa wasn't much of a musician." No more hard a claim than to say Bob Dylan isn't much of a musician. Our opinions are not facts, especially when it comes to iconoclast musicians, and I include the Dixie Chicks in the list of iconoclast musicians. If I love Frank Zappa, but hate John Lennon and the next guy loves Lennon and hates Zappa, who is factually correct when I say Lennon is an excellent musician, and the other person says he is crap? Let us not forget, very gifted musicians have a tendency to make such claims about one another with a fair amount of frequency, though rarely as a matter of public discussion or debate. Defining what makes an excellent musician is often a highly subjective matter of opinion. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Don Firth Date: 27 Apr 03 - 04:25 PM Spartacus, I don't judge someone's music by the number of CDs or concert tickets they sell, I judge with my ears, my mind, and my feelings. I also know enough about the techniques of different instruments (such as guitar, 5-string banjo, and violin) to know when someone has put in a lot of time in the woodshed to learn how to play their instrument. These ladies have. People don't go to that kind of effort unless they love what they're doing (I always question whether those who don't like to practice really like the music when they don't want to go to the trouble to learn to play it well). The Dixie Chicks sound good, they have some pretty interesting arrangements, they do a lot of good songs, and, if you watch them, it's obvious that they're getting a blast out of what their doing. And CD and ticket sales do tend to indicate that lots of people enjoy what they do. When you add it all together, I sounds to me like they're pretty good musicians. N'est-ce pas? Frankly, when picking through a stack of CDs to listen to, the Dixie Chicks would not necessarily be my first choice. But I do like what they do, and if they show up on TV or on the radio, I listen and enjoy. I much prefer them to the vast number of musicians out there who sell more CDs and concert tickets than the Chicks do, but who, in my fairly well-educated opinion (I can supply my credentials if you wish), really stink as musicians. Getting famous and selling lots of CDs and concert tickets is more a matter of luck and being at the right place at the right time than it is of musicianship, but being a good musician does tend to increase one's chances. But it's not a guarantee. I don't begrudge those who happen to get lucky, unless they're all image and no substance. As musicians—and as human beings—the Dixie Chicks have plenty of substance. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Sam L Date: 27 Apr 03 - 04:05 PM It's a hard claim to support that Zappa wasn't much of a musician. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Peter T. Date: 27 Apr 03 - 03:10 PM Zappa may have not been a scientist, but he is certainly right about the ratio of hydrogen to stupidity. yours, Peter |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 03 - 02:39 PM "In response to those of you who think that just because a group has sold a ton of records and sells out concerts must mean that a group is making good music..." No one said that Spartacus. Those of us who have cited the Dixie Chicks ability to sell records in spite of the tempest in the teapot caused by the right wing Republican controlled media, have made the point that the so-called boycott has been totally ineffective, if the intent of it was to destroy the careers of the Dixie Chicks (which I believe was the vicious intent of the boycott organizers and those who honor it). You seem to be claiming for yourself the right to use your personal taste in musicians, to judge whether the Dixie Chicks have musical talent. That sort of fallacious argument gets you nowhere. Frank Zappa was no scientist, and some would claim he wasn't much of a musician, either. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Spartacus Date: 27 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM In response to those of you who think that just because a group has sold a ton of records and sells out concerts must mean that a group is making good music; I'll give you a quote from one very talented man: "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." -Frank Zappa yep. Spartacus |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 27 Apr 03 - 11:42 AM It occurs to me that the reason they bought off the photographer with the lovely nude picture among the flowers is because they knew the cover shot was coming, and they didn't want any competing shot available. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:17 PM Hey there Guest 9:01. I like the Dixie Chicks too--including their music AND their musical talent. Here are a couple of my favorite responses to the dissing of Bush by Maines: "MADISON, Wis. -- Officials in Madison, Wis., may be in political hot water, as a new city council resolution offends some, and amuses others. Ten of 20 council members have already signed onto the controversial resolution, which offers city support to the Dixie Chicks, after they were attacked for criticizing the president and war. The group has seen a backlash of lost air time and ticket and CD sales. Now alderman Ken Golden has stepped in to help, offering the Chick's support, including the keys to the city, and bottle of French wine -- keeping alive Madison's zany reputation." And then there is the response from the Concerned Women For America, or the CWFA. You really need to go here to believe it: He Has Risen (apparently in Texas) according to these ladies |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 26 Apr 03 - 09:01 PM I like the Dixies as well. I seem to remember getting 'For The Roses' by Joni Mitchell as a birthday present as a teenager. Wasn't she naked on some rocks on the inside album cover? Maybe I have missed the point..or maybe Mudcat wasn't around then. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 26 Apr 03 - 08:50 PM I forgot to mention, their album was back at #1 and their tour sold out BEFORE they posed for a nude magazine cover. I thought the message they were trying to send was brilliantly done, myself. Like one of them said, it wouldn't have worked to paint the words on their clothes. I think the photo is the best piece of satirical commentary on the right wing's censorship and silencing of dissent campaign of the entire war. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST Date: 26 Apr 03 - 08:40 PM The article says: "Through it all, the Dixie Chicks latest album, Home, has sold more than 6 million copies. The disc, which has been near the top of the album chart for 30 weeks, slid three spots to No. 7 in the week after the controversy began — dropping from 123,000 copies to 71,000." Yeah--71,000 in weekly sales is a real indication that no one is buying your records. By April 4th, and again on the 19th, "Home" was back at #1 on the Country Music album charts. Faith Hill and Vince Gill both came out in defence of the Chicks. As several people have noted, their US tour that is scheduled to begin in the next week or so will be a sell out at every stop. All this without their music being played by right wing macho asshole DJs on Clear Channel country stations. So what does this tell you about the relevance of the Fox/Clear Channel war mongering media hype, and the conservative country music establishment's view of "patriotism"? Answer: that the country music listening audience doesn't reflect the demographic the fascists claim it does, and the so-called "overwhelming majority of Americans" don't agree with the Fox/Clear Channel media blitzkrieg of right wing faux patriotism. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Sam L Date: 26 Apr 03 - 07:10 PM It's fun what feelings something like this turns up. I enjoy hearing the DC's but feel they are likably bad, corny, with hokey sentiments and stuff--that drum bit in their recent soldier song gives me shivers it's so awful. I don't see any big offence, or any problem with their toning down their remarks if people felt they were foul. Or claim to feel that--I think it's disingenuous over-reaction. People do that. D. Quayle courted comparison to JFK and when he was called on it, he huffily felt it was "uncalled for". Nonsense--he called for it, in the first place. Likewise, being president of a free country makes anyone's feelings about you called-for. What is this smallness in some conservatives, in regard to criticism--what does it really mean? Kim C--I don't know, but it's worth a try. The whole re-touched photo body-double line of interest is fun too. I think photographers try to make appealing photographs, keep an eye on what they think is right for the time and their audience. It's funny how politics shades into how nude women are depicted--as a kid I recall the only place you could find pictures of ordinary naked women were in books about witchcraft and stuff. Hm. Then I was surprised and unprepared for how people feel so strongly about women shaving--I hardly noticed, the thing of it escapes me. I guess if someone was really unusually hairy it might strike me, but then, many women feel that way about guys too. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Peter T. Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:20 PM Hey, the most powerful man in the world talked about them, they must be important (GWB was asked about the DCs during his interview yesterday). yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Don Firth Date: 26 Apr 03 - 01:03 PM Frankly, I haven't the time or interest to check this out, but does anyone know for absolute sure that they posed in the nude? With a good photo-fiddling program, I could put George W. Bush's head on Divine's body and make lots of folks believe it grew there. You can't play as well as they do without loving the music. Much ado about a bit of bare hide. I think there are more important issues here. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:48 PM Arne the MS Word user found a spell check button on the toolbar, hey folks, this dude knows all about tools: his days at Prixie Dicks squakingbowl playing pocket ball made him a better wanker, and so it is no surprise that he would grab at some, well anything, that made him look better here where he is yet another troll. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Jeep man Date: 26 Apr 03 - 11:19 AM So what do we give a cuss what three rich twits say about anything? Jim |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: gnu Date: 26 Apr 03 - 07:03 AM I enjoy their music. |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 26 Apr 03 - 01:51 AM Guess I get under Sorefingers's skin. Doesn't seem to be much of a challenge, though, seems pretty much everyone does it. . . . Sorefingers: ". . . with Freedom cometh Responsibility, and that requires a little education which OC presupposes a small ammount of intelligence; " I wouldn't push that point too much, SF. Your spelling is nothing to brag about, and that may limit _your_ options. . . . But (more) seriously, are you _really_ of the opinion that it's only the "intelligent" that should be allowed to exercise their freedom? What a curious notion. . . . Sounds, well, "un-American". But perhaps I misunderstood you here; you might have been suggesting that the prerequisite for freedom was that the person in question have percisely this "small ammount [sic] of intelligence", and that the crux of your complaint against the Dixie Chicks is that they're over-qualified. Sorefingers: "Perhaps Marty oughta leave it alone while she is still ahead?, while the cops are now still merely watching what she is doing rather than getting a warrant? Perhaps Arne you might be on the list as well? Perhaps when the FBI are sniffing around in the lobby? doin the dooo ain't kosher ... Arne.. " Hey, why don't you drop a dime and turn me in to the TIPS program? Maybe Ashcroft will let _you_ wear an armband too. . . . Sorefingers: "I thought they were dissing G W for being dumb???" I don't think so. I think they were dissing him for being a thin-skinned warmongering bully. But perhaps a dumb one at that. . . . But back to the substance of my prior post: To my knowledge, the Dixie Chicks are _still_ on top despite your caterwauling about how they're crashing and burning and the efforts of the RNC and its powerful friends in the media to stifle them (something your nasty little reply didn't address). Maybe the Chicks aren't so "dumb" after all. . . . * * * * * To the rest of the people out there: I saw the Chicks back when they played the WVF in Winfield regularly. They _do_ love their music. And I don't think that the notion that Europeans don't know about bluegrass and country music is true at all; festivals over there highlight perfomers from the U.S., and the Netherlands is heaven for U.S. bluegrass bands, with some bands even producing records over there, and some major bluegrass labels out of the Netherlands. . . . True, if you want "political" music, there's more and better out there (and a couple of the better ones have been named; even in Austin you have the Austin Lounge Lizards with their classic "Jesus Loves Me But He Can't Stand You"), but the Chicks do "step out" a bit from the standard country mold with such songs as "Earl" (and this may be part of Sorefingers's irritation with them). Cheers, -- Arne Langsetmo |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Kaleea Date: 26 Apr 03 - 01:26 AM Recently heard at a public place: "Those d*mn freakin' chicks--how dare they use our sacred 'Freedom of Speech' to say #$@*&^%$!! about the President!! Why, they oughtta be shot for bein' traitors for sayin' that!!" Things that make you go, "Hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm." |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:08 AM No, I simply don't care if the photo was airbrushed. But I also wonder why you must presume that they aren't beautiful women who could in fact successfully pose for such a shot? Hell, if I pulled in my tummy I could probably get away the torso portion, and I'm several years older than any of them. The thighs need a bit of the stretch-effect, though. ;) Though a lot of people don't look "perfect," they're still honest enough to know they'd look okay, or interesting, in a photo. Perhaps that is the case here, but you read something else in, simply because they are relatively young women. It must be about sex, not about character? Look at the expressions on their faces. That's the most important part of the photo, anyway. Their eyes. Almost anything else in a photo can be a little off, and it's still okay. But if the eyes are shut, it doesn't work, because we all always look first at the eyes. You may look away to other parts quickly enough, but first you look at the eyes. And they didn't necessarily airbrush Maines, anyway. She's in the background, further back than you might think. It makes her look smaller, but it's just an old camera trick. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks Undressed, Unrepentant! From: Spartacus Date: 25 Apr 03 - 11:28 PM I think you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if the photo is tasteful. The point is that they are in the process of defending a comment one them made that they can't/won't back up now. None of this would be happening if they weren't so worried about the backlash of the lead singers comments. You didn't even think the cover photo was airbrushed.... The Dixie Chicks may in fact have a love for music. It's a shame that the love for music takes a back seat to thier public image. I would have been impressed if she had made the comment, gotten in trouble and said, "screw you. I feel this way" and then posed nude without the benefit of computer enhancement and said "screw you, I look this way. Most women do." THAT would character, courage, a love for music regardless of what the media thinks. If they really loved thier music and believed in it, the fans would always come back. Ok..that's it, I swear. I've already wasted too much time on this topic.... -Spartacus |
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