Subject: BS: St. George's day From: Ben Dover Date: 18 Mar 04 - 11:44 AM Right people, I have been oirished to death over the last few days. What are you all doing on the 23rd of april to celebrate England's finest? Silly hats and green beer again? Why do us English go mental on St Paddy's day but generally ignore dear old St George? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 18 Mar 04 - 12:03 PM St who? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Sttaw Legend Date: 18 Mar 04 - 12:13 PM Many moons ago St Patrick appeared in an apparition to the WGM of Guinness. Following this event it has been celebrated, as you did, on the 17 March. In conclusion it is a publicity stunt for Guinness that went wrong for the world, but a job well done for the WGM. St Pat may I add does not get a bonus, he's in it for the love. St George - who wants to drink a dragon. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: jacqui.c Date: 18 Mar 04 - 02:54 PM For anyone within striking distance of Hertford I'm arranging a session at the Great Eastern in Railway Street on 23 April. All English music please and we might manage a mummers play if I can get sufficient volunteers. Does anyone know of a morris dancing group who might like to join in? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST,An English Patriot Date: 18 Mar 04 - 04:23 PM What we should do is to go down to the pub and toast St George (really toasting England) and to try and encourage all our work collegues to join us. After that, make a night of it. The following morning, suggest to all and sundry (especially our boss) that St George's Day should be a public holiday. By the way, this year St George's Day falls on a friday, so bugger the hangover. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Mar 04 - 05:08 PM The real day that should be a holiday, which has traditionally been the real day the Engish have celebrated, is the First of May. And that's the one that should be a hoiday. (They switched the Bank Holiday to the nearest Monday, barbarians. That means it's on May 3rd this year.) Still, more celebrations the merrier, so I hope to be along to the Great Eastern on St George's. (Though I think it should maybe be open to the traditions of the other St George countries, such as Greece and Georgia (no, not the American Georgia, which has nothing to do wity teh Saint). |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: LadyJean Date: 19 Mar 04 - 12:30 AM I have a lovely Russian laquer pin with a picture of George and dragon on it. I like to wear it on April 23. I kind of collect St. George and the Dragon. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST,An English Patriot Date: 19 Mar 04 - 02:46 AM It should be remembered that St George's Day has got nothing to do with the saint himself. Afterall, St Patrick's Day has got nothing to do with him. A interfering busy body, who wasn't even Irish, who brought Christianity to Ireland when there was probably nothing wrong with their old pagan religion. Never mind George or the poor old dragon (and what did the dragon ever do to him, eh?)On April 23rd, celebrate England and Englishness. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: alanabit Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:01 AM Celebrate by all means. But why celebrate a bit of dodgy history when we could celebrate the poet who was born 23/4/1564 and who died on 23/4/1616? We can be proud of him for sure. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:26 AM Anybody know where I can get an idiotic red and white hat from? I must learn to play greensleeves for this august celebration. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: snake19 Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:35 AM Try uk.music.folk |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Fibula Mattock Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:14 AM I bet it wasn't a dragon. I bet it was a newt. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:15 AM Thanks snake, I did. that is a hell of site for us english bods. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:43 AM English Patriot has hit the nail on the head. It's really about celebrating England rather than some mythical/dodgy saint and his newt. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Sttaw Legend Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:43 AM When St Georges day is organised, we should then move on to St Harris day. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST,St. Harris Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:48 AM Agreed! My tweeds are world renowned. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 04 - 05:25 AM That reminds me I must order my taxi for tonight |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: snake19 Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:11 AM The other one is rec.folk-dancing,i am sure they will beable to help. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:34 AM thanks snake19 had a look but they don't do taxis |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:35 AM It seems to me that having a foreign saint, who is shared with lots of other countries, as a national patron, is a healthy thing for a country. A symbolic protection against ethnic exclusivity. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Ben Dover Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:44 AM Multi cultural is all well and good, but why can't us whitey boys have an English saint? or an English day even? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: snake19 Date: 19 Mar 04 - 07:05 AM Well "Guest" try 111 500,lol. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Pied Piper Date: 19 Mar 04 - 07:06 AM As I understand it the Patron Saint of England is not George but Peter. On Wednesday I played in a local hostelry with a Fiddler and a NSP player. We will be there again on the 23 of April playing the same eclectic mixture as 99.9% of the punters bring their interpretation of nationality with them. TTFN PP. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Dave Bryant Date: 19 Mar 04 - 07:21 AM Kevin - At least you don't have to share St Patrick with anyone else as far as I'm aware - and at least he did spend most of his life in Ireland unlike St George who probably never even visited England on a day trip ! I do agree, however, that we English should celebrate our national day and have been involved with many folk events to that end. At one time I was involved in organising a St George's Folk Festival at Cecil Sharp House which took place on the nearest weekend to the 23rd April. One of the other organisers was Sheila Finn of Folk London. She invariably had problems when it clashed with her mother's passover supper. "Can't you move the festival", her mum once asked, so Sheila explained that it had to be on the nearest weekend to St George's Day. "Was St George Jewish ?" was the retort. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 19 Mar 04 - 08:33 AM Let's change it to Mrs Thatcher day!! Now there was a damn fine Englishman. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Dead Horse Date: 19 Mar 04 - 08:43 AM Thatcher Day it is then. We must all go out on this day & steal milk from children, beat up the miners, do away with a few old folks, and encourage our colleagues to roger a couple of secretaries. Beats the hell out of pickin on huge fire-breathin dragons! Talking of which........ |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Dave Bryant Date: 19 Mar 04 - 10:20 AM What about jOhn from Hull day ? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 19 Mar 04 - 10:22 AM Nah, his recent nuptuals have cast a permanent stain on his reputation as the patron saint of Hull. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Ben Dover Date: 19 Mar 04 - 10:51 AM Good we are agreed on Thatcher day then. Although I have always had a sneaking admiration for Norman Tebbit and Sir Keith Joseph. Not a lot of gigs planned though are there? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Crane Driver Date: 19 Mar 04 - 01:35 PM Horse - you leave that dragon alone, or me and the boyos will come and sing at you. St Patrick, like St David, was Welsh. St George was, I believe, Albanian. Not that it matters - they're all dead now anyway. Why do people need an excuse to sing, play music and drink? Just do it. Have a great time. (Not St) Andrew |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Mar 04 - 01:46 PM The day Thatcher fell, now that was one day when there was singing in the streets and general celebration. A bit like VE Day. 23rd November 1990. Three days early, but even so it felt like as good a birthday present as I've ever had. For days after I'd be going along and I'd wonder "Why am I feeling so happy" - and then I'd remember why. I always remember Ted Heath's comment, when he said that he understood how it really must have hurt her. And then he said "Not enough... Here's a Steve Bell cartoon he did for the 10th anniversary |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: brid widder Date: 19 Mar 04 - 02:52 PM I remember that day Kevin... I was buying a house and was on my way to the solicitors to sign the contract ... I saw it on the placards... a new home & Thatcher out... would there ever be a better day!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:16 PM Yep Christmas came early that year for sure. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Mar 04 - 05:31 PM A local church was advised by the council not to fly the flag of St George as, due to the crusader connection it could be considered offensive to local Moslems. Ho hum... Local Moslem leaders gave the edict the derision it deserved btw. Cheers DtG |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:23 AM |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Sooz Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:33 AM I will sing Maggies Hollands "A place called England" at Market Rasen Folk Club. Must start the breathing exercises NOW! |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: George Papavgeris Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:15 AM Definitely "Sir Richard's Song" (... Love in England hath taken me...). Or for a lighter number at a tangent, how about "When Georgie's on a spree"? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Ellenpoly Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:23 AM Poor St George has the misfortune of sharing his name with another George who we are hoping will be himself slain in the next US elections. Speaking for many of my fellow countrywomen and men, sorry St G...xx..e |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:41 AM Well refreshed! No gigs and generally silliness planned anywhere on friday then? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:23 PM Patrick wasn't Welsh. He was likely born near what is now Whitehaven, England. Stolen by Irish slavers at around 10 years old, he lived in Ireland until as a young man he escaped and returned to his original home. Then he went back to Ireland and converted it to Chritianity. The perfect revenge. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:33 PM Here's your chance to pen a new national anthem AND lend your name to the petition for recognizing St. George's Day as a national holiday. If you're so inclined, visit Wells Brewery website. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST,MMario Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:39 PM Wouldn't it be silly hats and RED beer for St. George? And cute little Dragon puppets and cartoons? |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Jack Tar Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:42 PM "Local Moslem leaders gave the edict the derision it deserved btw." Good for them. It's nice to see sanity rule occasionally. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: jonm Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:59 PM The Anker Morris Men of Nuneaton (the W is indeed silent; there are no jokes on the name we haven't already heard) traditionally start their season on the nearest Saturday with their St. George's tour. 10.30am dancing in Market Bosworth, then again once the pubs have opened. Off to Pinwall, which doesn't appear on many maps, for lunch and dancing at the Red Lion. The afternoon will be spent outside the Market Tavern in Atherstone, then at the Church End Brewery. Times? We're bound to be running late by then, but probably about 3 and 4pm respectively. All of English life will be there, from the middle-class ladies who manage to cross the square in Market Bosworth pretending they simply haven't seen twenty morris men, via the shaven headed, England-shirt-wearing pride of British manhood that seems to infest Atherstone these days, to the best of English beer and civilised environments that is Church End, one of our best kept local secrets (oh, bum, now it isn't...). All supporters welcome. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: JennyO Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:02 PM This weekend at our Snalbans (in Oz) folk festival there will be a significant presence from our friends the Wheeze and Suck Band and the Sydney Morris Men. Not sure whether it will have much to do with St George's Day though. Unfortunately, on May 1, when the Morris Men always meet at dawn at Mrs Macquare's Chair, I will be in Canberra. Last year was a hoot! What a shame to miss it! Jenny |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Nigel Parsons Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:06 AM El Ted: Anybody know where I can get an idiotic red and white hat from? I must learn to play greensleeves for this august celebration. August celebration, methinks you have the date wrong! Nigel |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: s6k Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:16 AM what about St. ElTed day |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:51 AM Fenn Bell. Dave Bryant did a link for the last session there. Bishop Guldulph are dancing and I am told there will be singing. I think there might be beer too. But alas not "Double Dragon" which is by Felinvoel (I hope I spelt that right) and is Welsh. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: GUEST,JOHN of ELSIE`S BAND Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:40 AM All being well, notwithstanding the intervention of the anti-enjoyment police, we shall be drinking and singing to the memory of St. George, witnessing some fine Morris, and partaking of spit roasted dragon at Elsie`s on the appointed day. While on the subject may I call upon all Englishmen, loyal and true to fight for the preservation of ENGLAND and ST.GEORGE. If "fatty Prescott" and his mob have their way then England will be relegated to a few regional assemblies while Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland (deservedly so) retain their historic identities. |
Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day From: el ted Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:46 AM Here here john of EB. This current mob with all their touchy feely regulations will have us all wearing mittens for our own safety before too long! |