BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 05:26 PM

I successfully got a large amount of credit from one store which proclaimed that 'one size fitted all' on some trousers. Now, bear in mind this was 20 years ago when I was considerably thinner..... they wouldn't go past my knees and so were blatantly NOT 'one size fits all'.... the shop sent every garment back to the makers and made them size them properly and I got enough credit for 3 pairs of trousers! Had to wait a while before some that fitted came in though!

The only thing that is truly 'one size fits all' is a hug.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 11:12 AM

It just occurred to me that the main reason the fashion industry is pushing low-rise jeans is that with low-rise jeans, they don't have to worry about the size, location or shape (whether level or warped like an old LP) of the waistline.

The closer they can get to "one size fits all," the simpler life is and the higher the profits.

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Got to go. My kitty needs love.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 09:44 AM

I have 2 skirts gathered onto waistbands - both are made from the same amount of cloth one, is a size 12, the other a size 18.

I also have 2 silk shirts a 40 & a 42 & the 40 is larger. weird sizing, unless the number relates to something else.

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 01:48 AM

Burke, yes that is what I meant! Thanks for catching that!

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 12:30 AM

"Depends on how ya feel about the bloke"

I've never heard anyone say they liked flabby hairy man-boobs.....

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: JennieG
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:23 PM

I have some clothes in my wardrobe that say size 14, some that say size 12 and some that say size 10. And they all fit. I can even (just!) still fit into a summer dress that is labelled size 8. So much for labelling.

And while I agree with much of what has already been said, there is something to admire in having the confidence or chutzpah to wear whatever one likes, with whatever body shape one has, and ignoring the world's opinion!

Cheers
JennieG......who doesn't wear hipsters or crop tops

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Burke
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:53 PM

According to this Online conversion. US 14=UK 16

Kat, you said "Today's size 14 is more like yesterday's 16/18." Didn't you mean the opposite? 14 used to fit, now you have to wear 16.

It's always seemed like the jeans size that fit was larger than others. They just seem to run small.

True story of conversation this week. The daughter of a good friend is getting a degree in fashion design. Her goal is to design lingerie for full-figured women. She cannot do this as her senior project. She must do her designs for some small bust-less 'college standard' shape that doesn't really need foundation garments anyway.

If that's the figure they are trained to design for, it's no surprise they can't do it for women with real womanly shapes. I think the daughter will do fine, ultimately, since she has the kind of shape she wants to design for.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:30 PM

"Honey, I don't care
I ain't in love with your hair . . .".

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:29 PM

Depends on how ya feel about the bloke, Clinton...One man's barf-body is another woman's (or gay man's) hunka hunka burnin' love, when seen through the eyes of l'amour.

Elmer

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:48 PM

Really? Seems pretty straight forward to me...

It's like boobs.... in the right proportions they look great on women... (My personal preference is towards the Bee-Sting end of the scale... your mileage may vary) but when they're hairy and saggy and on a man they look nauseating!

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:47 PM

Clinton, regardless, I still don't give a shit what people wear.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:45 PM

"there's a big difference between a big old hair man beer gut and a womans belly, fat with child... "

Clinton, that was a sweet thing to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:07 PM

"You are picking at things."
But I shouldn't live my life based on what you think... So we should all just do what we want and never comment on anyone else, or caution someone against negative behaviour or anything....

Unless you agree that is...

Sure thing chum...

Heh

Guest... there's a big difference between a big old hair man beer gut and a womans belly, fat with child...

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:57 PM

Oh, those women with fat bellies wearing hip huggers and crop tops! Such an offence to the eye, wobbling towards ne down the high street. They don't look good, they don't look chic, they don't look anything but ugly, Can't they see it????
I saw two this week, one exposing all her stretch marks,the other about 8 months pregnant with the complete stomach exposed.
Now, no doubt someone will scream sexist at me, but surely it's just a matter ao aesthetics. If I, a man, walked around town with my beer gut so exposed I would expect nothing but derision.And rightly so.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:54 PM

Clinton, I do not think people should live their lives based on what others think--of politics, music, themselves. I made no suggestion that advice from a doctor or really good friend shouldn't be considered. You are picking at things.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 04:26 PM

"in the old days"
Thankfully we don't live THERE anymore....

"They only look good if you are a stick without any curves at all"
Bull.. but there's a big difference between curves and fat.....

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: hesperis
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 04:24 PM

Ugh, I hate hip huggers. They only look good if you are a stick without any curves at all. And now that I've gained a size or two I need room for my butt, thank you very much. It might not be big still, but it is proportioned well.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM

Tam, you just reminded me of something that happened in our town a few years ago. Some guy walked into the lingerie shop, opened his coat, and "flashed" the bra and panties he was wearing. The report ended with the note that the police were looking for him. Now, as pitiful as what he did was, no one said he exposed any "bits". So what were they going to arrest him for? Stupidity? Bad taste? I always kinda wondered....

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Tam the man
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:12 PM

why is it that Women and men think its fashionable to show off their underwear in public, in the old days that was a crime known as flashing

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:55 PM

" then get to know other people"
So if your friends tell you to quit heroin, get new friends?
Or if they tell you you should stop drinking and driving?

Sorry chum... but your logic isn't....

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:49 PM

Good enough for the people you know isn't the point....

Good enough for yourself is what matters....

If yer happy wearing clothing that comes from a tent-maker... if you're happy that the first place your clothing wears out is between your thighs.... If you don't care that you get winded getting up out of bed....

Good for you!

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:41 PM

"I'm a size 12 and have recently bought myself a size larger jacket (it IS very fitted) in what in the UK is called a size 14. I looked inside and it is labelled US size 10. So am I a size 8?"

You are the way you are, and if that isn't good enough for the people you know, then get to know other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Metchosin
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:24 PM

What I neglected to mention was that I do wear jeans for a purpose, not as a fashion statement. Good denim is still the toughest material going, it hides various indelible stains well and I need them for the work around here.

The pockets are next to useless or uncomfortable when stuffed with screws, nails, hoof picks and such, when stooping or crouching, so I also wear shirts with button down flaps or pockets to stop stuff from spilling out when bending over. I tried wearing coveralls but they are a pain in the ass when nature calls.

I haven't bought a pair of jeans retail, in more than 20 years, as our local Sally Ann always carries a huge array in very fine shape and I've no problem with wearing last year's or decade's style.

Fortunately, during the day, I deal with our customers via phone or computer. although at any social function, no matter how well turned out I endeavour to be, I'm usually recognizable, not by fashion, but by the various slivers, stains, calluses and broken nails on my hands.

I consider myself really fortunate to still have the capacity to mix strenuous physical work and the ability to use my mind for other things and also be of an age, where I no longer have to be part of a meat market and worry what anyone thinks of the shape of my ass.........now if I could just find my waist somewhere. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Moses
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:02 PM

I think I am going to go and lie down in a darkened room.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:51 AM

But for once, Europe is bigger than the US. That UK 14 is probably a EU 40(ish)

Now, are you properly confused?

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Moses
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:03 AM

Wesley S

I was rather taken aback by your remark that size 12 women should not wear hip hugger jeans - until, that is, I realised that you write from the USA where everything, they say, is bigger!!

I'm a size 12 and have recently bought myself a size larger jacket (it IS very fitted) in what in the UK is called a size 14. I looked inside and it is labelled US size 10. So am I a size 8?

Confused

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:50 AM

another fashion problem - when the shops are full of styles I won't wear & colours I wouldn't be seen dead in. Apart from the beautiful floaty skirts.

up on the soapbox -

Yesterday I was on the hunt for a few longer sleeved shirts (tee or Indian style) in plain darker colours. I don't like or wear pale pink, pale green, light (or even dark) brown, apricot, white, cream, & the other colours filling the shops. I found one top in a dark mauve which I liked, but the boat neckline was so wide & out of shape there was no way I could look at myself in it, so why subject others to the sight?

Nor do I like most prints (& have you seen the way THEY are mixing totally unrelated prints!!!), & I won't wear sleeveless tops, either - if I didn't wear them in my 20s or 30s or 40s why would I want to wear them in my 50s? Why are the 'Plus' sizes ranges full of sleeveless tops?

One thing I have no trouble with is trousers/jeans - I don't wear them either.

and another thing - where are the cool materials for Sydney's humid summer - crappy polyesters & other artificial materials abound.

good thing I have about 20 silk shirts to go with my existing cotton & new (polyester & rayon) skirts.

sandra (off soapbox)

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:33 AM

One of my favourite Ogden Nash four liners !

            Sure , deck your limbs on pants , my love

            Yours are the limbs my sweeting

            You look divine as you advance

            Have you seen yourself retreating ?

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Mooh
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:05 AM

All this talk on the TV about obesity, and clothes just get tighter. Omar the tent maker is short on orders.

I get my jeans at Mark's Work Warehouse, where I'm not subjected to fashion fascists who tell me not to wear socks with sandals and other stupidity. They also sell me Canadian products at least some of the time. Do they sell jeans to women?

I've noticed women of weight constantly yanking those jeans up when the rolls are no longer contained. It looks desperate. If one cannot even act with grace in clothing not designed for them, change the clothing, because it probably also doesn't appear with grace. But, and it's another big butt...um, but...how one dresses is a personal choice and perhaps we shouldn't disuade folks from their fashion delusions if they're happier that way. We don't HAVE to look.

Turning the other cheek.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:53 PM

I really do not understand why those women have chairs on their heads. I think I understand that they are wearing mantillas and mantillas only, not skirts. I also understand that this is probably some form of prostitution but why the chairs on their heads. I just don't get it!

BTW - Shopping is such a chore because of all of the comments above. I find that if I want to find clothes that fit, I have to pay a fortune in the high end shops. Ever try to find a simple t-shirt that wasn't fitted?

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:04 PM

Is it this one: Goya: They've already got a seat?"

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:14 PM

beardedbruce, Jeeze they beat me to it. That'll keep your pants up all right. But the first pic isn't going to be of much help when incontinence sets in ......unless they are meant to hold your golf diapers in place too.BG

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:50 PM

Anyone seen the Goya print, entitled, if memory serves, 'they are sitting pretty now'?
It's where there are these girls with 1960s length skirts of a transparent material carrying chairs on their heads.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:35 PM

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.????

I have to concur with the observation by several that you don't really have that much of a choice. It comes down to:

Just because they can, you must.

It's a well documented and widely quoted axiom of modern marketing that anything that gets 10% of the market must be stocked by every retailer, and an apparently little known corollary that anything stocked by every retailer will drive all competing products off the shelf.

It's an unfortunate fact of life that 20 percent of our population are total idiots, and an even more unfortunate fact that enough of them follow fads to make them a "coherent purchasing group" that can easily produce the 10 percent for whatever "look" they fancy. The result is that those of us who are less perfect idiots find only "look-alike imitations" of what the "total idiot group" bought at some point in time when we go looking for merchandise.

Sadly, the elimination of choice for the rest of us leaves the idiot group few options or opportunities for discovering "something new" to drive the current crop of crud off the market, so the existing "status quo" may be expected to persist for some time. Any change is likely to come from a "limited-market" appearance of something even more bizarre than the crap we're offered now. (Such markets do exist, but their whereabouts is known only to "cults" consisting mostly of fad-followers in the above mentioned market groups.)

John-who-has-not-bought-a-new-pair-of-trousers-or-a-new-shirt-in-about-12-years - - - because....

(a.k.a. "John who doesn't have to appear in public too often.")

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:34 PM

http://www.millaj.com/pics/tfe-ultimatedvd16.jpg
or
http://www.allfiredup.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=297&osCsid=8023e2a023a324b78a1931b21b98ac9d

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:32 PM

Can't speak for Liz, but it sounds good to me, particularly with nice wide shoulder straps. Think I'll stick to the electric green and black snakeskin, though, I seems to have been my style, once upon a time.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:24 PM

We have two differnt concepts here, not counting the other ones. We gave low rise jeans that, with stretch materieal, are VERY comfortable to those of us who don't have fat butts and teeny waists, because that's what they make traditional style jeans like. You get a bigger size and the butt gets bigger but the waist stays the same. Anyway, stretch jeans with the 'waist' just barely below the belly button. And then you wear a longish shirt.

THEN you have what Clinton's talking about. The jeans that, I would assume, one had to shave for. The ones that would show your tan lines from your string bikini. I do know women my age who wear them (well, not quite THAT low) and look good. I am not one. I wasn't one when I was 16.

Liz, a bustier with clasps for pants and shoulder straps? Maybe in black leather?

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:21 PM

"BoobyBrace" ~ lifts, squishes and hold up your pants..... Could give Wonderbra a run for it's money!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:18 PM

Squeaky Jeans - coming to a store near you.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:13 PM

Hmmm... integral trouser and booby braces. Has potential.....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:03 PM

Or perhaps the push your "movements" closer together.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:57 PM

Feminine braces don't work unless you put the Y at the front and quite high up... otherwise it restricts your ..er.... movements.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:53 PM

I wear 'em, I just pull them up to the place where my waist once was. They're about the only jeans that I can find that conform to my non existant waist and still fit properly in the hip. Bugger the rest. I just take in the excess width in the legs on the machine and......voila.

My problem is that if there is any stretch to the material, they tend to slip down. Now I guess I could eventually remedy that, by wearing braces. Hmm.....perhaps a whole new industry there for older women. Fashion designed feminine braces....in electric green and black snakeskin or maybe red and purple paisley.....the mind boggles

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:49 PM

My wife has always been able to wear the "classic" fit jeans from the Gap rather well. Imagine my suprise when I walked in to buy her a pair and was told that "We no longer carry the classic fit jeans in the store anymore - but you can order them online."

You call it a "classic" fit but you don't carry it in your stores ??

So now we buy from LL Bean.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:42 PM

Jimmy, you trying to say I've got a fat arse?!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: jimmyt
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:34 PM

Liz, I have noted your observations as well as some of the others in this thread and I think I will be redesigning my over 30 thong with a widetrack design much like the Pontiacs of the 60s. THanks for a great idea. Maybe the prototype will be available by Getaway.

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:08 PM

If yer older than 30, you shouldn't be wearing them anyway.... Especially if when you have 'em on you can't look down and SEE the top button.... In the same way that if you can't SEE your navel without lifting it, or craning your neck, or if it's deep enough to take 2 knuckles of ANY finger, you should NOT have it pierced...

But... I LOVE when a hot piece of little early-20 something walks into the pub, wearing low-slung hip-huggers.... I don't even know her name yet, but already, I'm an INCH from pussy! Gods love 'em!

With apologies to Bill Maher....

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:01 PM

Good for you, LtS!

leeneia, I agree, *totally*! And, I, too do the more comfortable clothes...have to really dig to find anything halfway fashionable and affordable, though. When I CAN, I get good quality, esp. from Deva Lifewear; comfy, long-lasting, and of a certain fashionable quality.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:53 PM

One of the major reasons for wearing hipster jeans is because no one sells proper ones these days... Every time I look at trousers or jeans in the shops, I can never find a pair that just covers my legs, my (not inconsiderable) ass and reaches my waist without having the crotch dangling by my knees or revealing a crack you could park a tandem in........ if manufacturers made body shaped jeans, I might buy another pair.. as it is, I make all my trousers because I can never find a pair that covers everthing that ought to be covered!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Hip hugger jeans & fashion casualties
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:52 PM

I'm back. I'm thinking about my teen and 20+ years. In those days, my mother subscribed to many magazines, and I saw articles about famous designers (usually from Paris) and what they were producing.

Now I want you to think about a modern young lady, and then picture the women she sees on TV, in movies, in the press. Do you think she gets a chance to see really sharp, nifty, flattering, well-designed clothes anywhere? I don't.

I don't do TV or movies, but the clothes I see in the newspaper seem to fall into one of two categories - street-walker or mental case.

I saw a photo of a runway model in New York last week. Her clothes were bizarre, and her hair had been plastered onto her head in clumps, so that it looked like masses of mold. It reminded me of George Bernard Shaw's description of Eliza Doolittle's dirty hair, pre-Henry Higgins. (Its mousy color can hardly be natural.) The model wore a sour expression, and I don't suppose she had to work at it.