Show of Hands (Recipes)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:59 AM

So does the stuff about the Waterson's RAH gig. Obviously.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:35 AM

TRADITIONAL ENGLISH 'ROOTS' RECIPES


And two songs to sing, whilst you're cooking them...... :0)

'ROOTS' by Steve Knightley:
SHOW OF HANDS


"Now it's been twenty-five years or more
I've roamed this land from shore to shore
From Tyne to Tamar, Severn to Thames
From moor to vale, from peak to fen
Played in cafes and pubs and bars
I've stood in the street with my old guitar
But I'd be richer than all the rest
If I had a pound for each request
For 'Duelling Banjos' 'American Pie'
Its enough to make you cry
'Rule Britannia' or 'Swing Low'
Are they the only songs the English know?

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
They're never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - they need roots

After the speeches when the cake's been cut
The disco is over and the bar is shut
At christening, birthday, wedding or wake
What can we sing until the morning breaks?
When the Indian, Asians, Afro, Celts
It's in their blood, below the belt
They're playing and dancing all night long
So what have they got right that we've got wrong?

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
Never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - we need roots

Haul away boys let them go
Out in the wind and the rain and snow
We've lost more than well ever know
Round the rocky shores of England

And a minister said his vision of hell
Is three folk singers in a pub near Wells
Well I've got a vision of urban sprawl
It's pubs where no one ever sings at all
And everyone stares at a great big screen
Over-paid soccer stars, prancing teens
Australian soap, American rap
Estuary English, baseball caps
And we learn to be ashamed before we walk
Of the way we look and the way we talk
Without our stories or our songs
How will we know where weve come from?
I've lost St George in the Union Jack
It's my flag too and I want it back

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
Never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - we need roots

Haul away boys let them go
Out in the wind and the rain and snow
We've lost more than we'll ever know
Round the rocky shores of England"




'A Place Called England' by Maggie Holland:
MAGGIE HOLLAND



"I rode out on a bright May morning
Like a hero in a song
Looking for a place called England
Trying to find where I belong
Couldn't find the old flood meadow
Or the house that I once knew
No trace of the little river
Or the garden where I grew

I saw town and I saw country
Motorway and sink estate
Rich man in his rolling acres
Poor man still outside the gate
Retail park and burger kingdom
Prairie field and factory farm
Run by men who think that England's
Only a place to park their car

But as the train pulled from the station
Through the wastelands of despair
From the corner of my eye
A brightness filled the filthy air
Someone's grown a patch of sunflowers
Though the soil is sooty black
Marigolds and a few tomatoes
Right beside the railway track

Down behind the terraced houses
In between the concrete towers
Compost heaps and scarlet runners
Secret gardens full of flowers
Meeta grows the scent of roses
Right beneath the big jet's path
Bid a fortune for her garden
Eileen turns away and laughs

So rise up George and wake up Arthur
Time to rouse out from your sleep
Deck the horse in the sea-green ribbons
Drag the old sword from the deep
Hold the line for Dave and Daniel
As they tunnel through the clay
While the oak in all its glory
Soaks up sun for one more day

And come all you at home with freedom
Whatever the land that gave you birth
There's room for you both root and branch
As long as you love the English earth
Room for vole and room for orchid
Room for all to grow and thrive
Just less room for the fat landowner
On his arse in his four-wheel drive

England is not flag or Empire
It is not money it is not blood
It's limestone gorge and granite fell
It's Wealden clay and Severn mud
It's blackbird singing from the may-tree
Lark ascending through the scales
Robin watching from your spade
And English earth beneath your nails

So here's two cheers for a place called England
Badly used but not yet dead
A Mr. Harding sort of England
Hanging in there by a thread
Here's two cheers for the crazy Diggers
Now their hour shall come around
We can plant the seed they saved us
Common wealth and common ground"



GRANDMA'S ENGLISH RECIPES

:0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 10:33 AM

Fried lamb's brains

Take one lamb's brain, put it in a saucepan with cold water, change the water from time to time for a couple of hours, until the brains are thoroughly cleansed.
Then put them in another saucepan with fresh water, and with several pieces of onion, a little salt, a little vinegar (one tablespoon to each brain), and some parsley stems.
As soon as the water boils, take the saucepan off, remove the brains, and put them onto a napkin.
Cut them into four pieces, put these pieces onto a plate, and season with a little olive-oil, some lemon juice, and chopped parsley.
When you are ready to fry, roll in flour, dip in egg, and fry the brain over a moderate fire for seven or eight minutes in olive-oil, shortening, or butter.

Serve on toast.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:03 AM

Looks like your latest personality has been rumbled on the BBC site already, Lizzie. An hour - surely that's a new record.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:52 AM

You'll have to try harder Ruthjoan....

Nope..they normally take about an hour or so....and as I said in the Show of Hands thread 'upstairs' I go in with deliberately easy to spot names...

Elizabeth Cornwallis is a very sophisticated folk fan you know. She lives in an old mansion hidden deep in the woods of Frenchman's Creek on the Helford River... ;0)

She not only spoke about Neil Young, The Gathering, 'Roots' and a few other folk things, but she also cordially invited those on the board to call her Lizzie and gave them a wink too! ;0)....She started out as 'Where's Lizzie?' but thought, as it was a Sunday, the Mods needed a little more a fun game to keep them awake...

Elizabeth was very sad that the Moaning Minnies 'run to teacher' telling tales as they do...but I've spoken to her and explained that they all eat Lamb's Brains On Toast, disrupt any thread on anyone they dislike, or that is written by anyone they dislike, have the word HYPOCRITE tattooed down the centre of their bodies, in bright red ink, and meet every week at The Whinge And Wassail Pub in Walthamstow for their weekly burning of the Radio 2 Witch.

Elizabeth sighed....then got into her carriage and returned to her Cornish Estate whilst muttering "Some people should be hanged, drawn and quatered m'dear for their pettiness, spitefulness and dictatorial manner"

And as her carriage rumbled off into the Western Sunset, I couldn't help but agree with her.

;0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:58 AM

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Being "quatered" is an ancient Cornish punishment, making hanging, drawing and quartering look like a beautiful Summer's Day.

There was one reference to it in The Museum of Witchcraft down in Boscastle...Sadly though, this, along with the museum, was washed away in the recent floods.

As far as I know, Elizabeth Cornwallis is the only remaining Cornish woman who still knows the gruesome details of 'quatering'.....

.....and I....have her address!

Splutter! :0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:58 AM

' "Some people should be hanged, drawn and quatered m'dear for their pettiness, spitefulness and dictatorial manner"

And as her carriage rumbled off into the Western Sunset, I couldn't help but agree with her.'

Me too, Lizzie - me too.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:14 PM

Noooo....The Witches of Boscastle just made it instantly and magically appear! ;0)

Great to hear you agree Ruthjoan...perhaps then, you'll now get yourself sorted out and stop with your deeply personal and highly unnecessary insults to me. Good Girl! I always admire those who've the guts to admit how unpleasant they've been....in public.

Excuse me though, for I SO have to get back to watching those FABULOUS FISHERMEN'S FRIENDS on the video below, that Keith put in the 'upstairs' Show of Hands thread....THEY ARE FANTASTIC!!!

I have their 'Suck 'Em And See' CD which is enough to make a Maiden go weak in the most peculiar places! Ohhhhhhh!

FISHERMEN'S FRIENDS



"...Heave Away Haul Away...We're bound for South Australia!"

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

Joe or Max......

Can't this thread now be moved upstairs? I've no idea why it was put down here in the Naughty Department anyway....

Be great if it could be put back where it belongs...

Pretty Please.... :0) Flutters eyelashes wildly....:0) :0) :0)


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

Lizzie, your lack of self-awareness is staggering to the point of genuine instability. Have you considered professional help?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:18 PM

"flutters eyelashes"

Pass me the sick bag and act your age.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 01:27 PM

Sorry Ruth, I have a sense of humour, I do apologise for daring to use it in your presence..

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 01:57 PM

Museum of Witchcraft
I believe a post indicating that this attraction was refurbished and still open, despite the statement that it had been washed away, was deleted.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 02:13 PM

flutters eyelashes

Behaving like a stereotypical, reactionary throwback isn't 'humorous'.
It's demeaning, ridiculous and vomit-inducing.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 02:23 PM

May have been deleted if it was posted by a Guest without a handle my non transatlantic friend!
G.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 02:37 PM

>>>Behaving like a stereotypical, reactionary throwback isn't 'humorous'.
It's demeaning, ridiculous and vomit-inducing.<<<


Nope...it isn't, only in your book.

I'm a girl/ol' girl/woman/lady/girlie/ol'woman..and PROUD OF IT!

And I shall damn well behave as I want to behave and not as The Wimmin tell me I must....

I shall never 'act my age' because I have never changed the way I am as each year goes past. I am me....not 'an age' I do not judge others as you and your er pals do, whilst spouting on about how 'free-thinking' I am. I do not put people in boxes, or dictate how they must behave, what they must wear, what music they must like, what paper/books they must read, how their children should be brought up or educated etc etc etc....yawn...etc......

This is because I'm a Show of Hands Chick...and not only that....but I am a Free Range Show of Hands Chick too... :0)

I would stay longer, but I have to re-apply my mascara....so 'scuse me......


Lizzie :0)


PS...Are you going down The Whinge and Wassail tonight then Sweetums?

PPS...Bring Back Frocks and Frilly Petties! ;0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 08:17 PM

Eyelashes? Are they fake? Like Tammy Faye's???? Sheesh, I'm jealous!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: JennyO
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:41 PM

Lizzie, I loved that video of the Fishermen's Friends. As fine a version of "Bound for South Australia" as I have heard! (and I know a lot of shanty singers - I live with one!)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:51 PM

A lot of people find 'Fishermen's Friends' too hot for their taste...

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:25 AM

Cinnamon cough sweets

Rosewater
Powdered Gum Arabic
Powdered Cinnamon
Caster Sugar

1. Gently warm four tablespoons of rosewater and add enough gum arabic (approx 4 teaspoons) to make a sticky syrup. 2. Work in roughly equal amounts of caster sugar and cinnamon until you have a solid paste. 3. Press into a shallow tin and, as it dries, cut into small sticks 4. Roll the sticks to make them round 5. Leave to dry completely

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: JennyO
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:20 AM

A lot of people find 'Fishermen's Friends' too hot for their taste...

Not me - they're my favourite. None of those wimpy Strepsils and Vapodrops for me! I like 'em strong and hot, like my men ;-)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:27 AM

Oh! I like you Jenny! :0) :0) :0)

Fishermen's Friends sang with Show of Hands at Sidmouth, the first time I ever saw any of them. I was completely bowled over by their wonderful voices.

I love shanty singers too. I really enjoyed the programme that Radio Britfolk did on them a while back now, featuring Johnny Collins and A. L.Lloyd and many others...it was great!

JOHNNY COLLINS


I was re-doing my Sidmouth report from 2005 the other day, putting it on my Myspace page and I came across the part where I saw The Wareham Whalers.

It brought back so many happy memories. There they were, just standing on the seafront, singing their hearts out! The sun was sparkling on the sea behind them and people were thronged around them listening....and all of a sudden this lovely old man, who was on a completely different planet to the rest of us, bless him...but very happy...came and started playing the spoons right next to them...At first he was in time with them, but he got faster and faster, then he started singing a completely different song!

Oh, it was so funny....but they just kept on singing, with gritted teeth and smiles on their faces. HOW they managed to keep their concentration going I've no idea, but they did. Luckily, the old gentleman then moved back to Duke's Acoustic Cafe, where he'd spent most of the week sitting right next to the stage playing 'air mandolin' ;0)

He was such a great character!

Unless you were The Wareham Whalers of course! ;0)

The Wareham Whalers

Mind you, those Fishermen's Friends really should have a website or at the very least, a Myspace page! Their voices should be spread far and wide and it would be so easy for them to get a page too....

Oh I get so frustrated about magical voices that I can't 'get out' to people.

It's the same with Coope Boyes & Simpson, superb voices, but can I send them flying around the world to people? Nope! Grrrrrrr! ;0)

Glad you enjoyed the video though Jenny, that was all thanks to Keith, as he posted it earlier on the other SoH thread now sadly closed.


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:34 AM

oooooooooooo....

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:46 AM

Oh-oh...

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Alec
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:19 AM

Do any of you good people have a good recipe for Pan Haggerty?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:27 AM

If Pan Haggerty is the same as what we called Panacklety, it's a meat stew with thinly-sliced potato on the top, browned in the oven.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:31 AM

Oh I get so frustrated about magical voices that I can't 'get out' to people

How self-obsessed can you get?
Yet again, LC assumes no-one else can have heard of artists before she 'discovers' them.
Wrong.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 06:12 AM

"Oh I get so frustrated about magical voices that I can't 'get out' to people.

It's the same with Coope Boyes & Simpson, superb voices, but can I send them flying around the world to people? Nope! Grrrrrrr! ;0)"

Umm, I think that Georgina and the other lovely folks at the No Masters collective have got that one covered. Happily, Lizzie, their careers are pootling along nicelty despite your lack of "help". Mostly because they are professionals, have worked within this industry for decades, and know what the hell they're doing. Unlike you.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:08 AM

Actually Ruth, I think you'll find that there are no samples of the voices of Coope Boyes & Simpson anywhere, apart from one tiny sample which lasts only for seconds, somewhere, but you have to go through many buttons to reach it.

Georgina herself posted it, on a thread backalong.

And if you'll excuse me, for I know I am not worthy to even breathe in YOUR folk world, but I KNOW of many people who have been blown away by the voices of Coope Boyes and Simpson when I have played them their music. They have never heard them before, they know nothing of the 'hidden' world of folk music either...but they have gone on to buy their CDs from that one listen of some of mine.

I have also had people come over to my Myspace page and tell me that they too have bought music, that previously they have known nothing about, purely from hearing it playing on my page. I have also discovered some amazing music myself this way from the pages of others.

The internet is a very powerful tool for sending music out in seconds around the world. Coope Boyes & Simpson's main site is wonderful, filled with highly interesting articles, many of which Georgina has written. I was reading one that Sam sent me just the other day, about 'power and gender' in folk songs actually...

I drop Lester a line over at Folkwaves now and again and beg him for that Myspace page....and one day...being always the optimist...I hope they'll get there. And when they do....WOW! Wake Up World!!

You may be happy for theirs and others music to be kept within the controlling walls of the folk world..I'd far rather it reached the ears and minds of many more people.

On the rare occasions I've been to folk clubs, I see a Sea Of Grey, nowt wrong with grey hair, don't get me wrong...but I do NOT see young people there. Likewise with many gigs I attend too. No-one under 40....It worries me terribly!

Unless this music is more widely known about, enthused about and shared about, then it may well begin to die out with the present generation. The younger people in the folk world, I think, struggle to get their names out there, because of the ridiculous attitude that persists to this day, of having to have been on the circuit for at least 10 years or more before you're taken seriously etc...

Many are not given the support they should be given. I'm speechless, and fuming, that Sidmouth have NOT got The Demon Barbers again this year, I was speechless they didn't have them last year to be honest...They are doing a huge amount for traditional music and dance and they bring the young people in, in DROVES, just as Seth Lakeman does...and as Show of Hands are now doing more and more as well.

I watched Steve Knightley at Exeter University recently and he went down a storm with an audience that was made up almost entirely of young people! They went wild for his songs and for the message within his songs...Steve knows what he's doing and Show of Hands support younger acts all the time, as do many other artists....

So...why don't you and Diane take your holier than thou "We know best" attitudes far, far away from me.

Coope Boyes and Simpson ARE doing brilliantly within a smallish world, but again their voices will reach far more people and people of a very different generation if they put them on the internet. When we saw them a while back at Frome the only children there....were mine...and the young people, I could count on the fingers of one hand....Yet their music, their hard work, their intelligence etc...should be reaching thousands and thousands of people, in my opinion.

And ANYTHING I can do, by writing about them, to encourage and enthuse people to listen to their music, whenever I can and wherever I so choose, I will do, with or without YOUR consent.

Thank you both for your concern though.


Lizzie

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: maeve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:10 AM

Anyone have really good recipes for bridies, shortbread, scones, or traditional breads? I've found several other good recipes here.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Scrump
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:10 AM

Bah! We were out all day Saturday, and yesterday it rained all day so it was too wet to try out George's lamb recipe. We had to make do with a hotpot (it was very tasty, though).

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:20 AM

Perhaps LC could ask No Masters (CBS) if they'd like her to do their publicity.
And Three's Company (Demon Barbers) too.
Then post the replies . . .

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: maeve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:38 AM

Alec- Is this what you want?

Pan Haggerty

450g (1lb) Potatoes
110g (4oz) Cheddar or Lancashire Cheese
2 medium Onions
25g (1oz) Butter
1 tbsp Vegetable Oil
Salt and Pepper

Thinly slice the potatoes and onions and grate the cheese.
Combine the butter and oil in a large frying pan.
Remove the pan from the heat and place layers of sliced potatoes, onions and cheese, reserving a little of the cheese.
Cover and cook gently for about 30 minutes or until the potatoes and onions are cooked.
Pre-heat the grill five minutes before the end of the cooking time.
Sprinkle the reserved cheese over the top of the mixture, place under grill until the cheese is golden brown and bubbling.
Serve straight from the pan.

I'll post a link to the source in a moment...

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:43 AM

PARATHA STUFFED WITH POTATO

BREAD
2 and a half cups wholemeal flour
1 cup water
half teaspoonful salt
3 oz set butter fat

Set aside half a cupful of flour for shaping
Sieve flour into mixing bowl, add salt
Mix into dough by adding water gradually
Pound and kneed for several minutes then stand for an hour
Kneed again, shape into balls and roll out
Heat butter fat, spread on to surface then fold over
Spread butter fat on fresh layer, then repeat 3 or 4 times, then roll out failry thinly
Cook on hot iron plate or pan till golden brown.

STUFFING

2 large potiates
1 onion
2 tablespoons coriander
1 dessert spoon butter fat
1 teaspoonful garam masala
1 teaspoonful salt
1 tablespoon lemon juice
Small piece of ginger
half teaspoon chili powder

Boil potatoes in jackets, when cool, peel and mash
Heat butter fat and fry finely chopped onion, herbs and ginger gently for a few minutes
Add salt, garam masala chili and lemon juice
Mix in prepared potato and sizzle for 2 - 3 minutes
Remove from heat and allow to cool

Prepare parathas as above but add a tablespoonful of mixtue to centre of each round after first rolling out.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: maeve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:58 AM

Pan Haggerty

There were several other hits when I googled, but this is the source for the one I posted.

countess- Your Paratha recipe sounds good. Where is it from?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:08 AM

Savitri Chowdhari's Indian Cooking (pub. André Deutsch 1954/Pan 1977) ISBN 0 330243659

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:16 AM

Unless this music is more widely known about, enthused about and shared about, then it may well begin to die out with the present generation.

What a strange self-obsessed comment.

Let me tell you that Cecil Sharp believed that the music was dying out. That was 1901 and he rushed around collecting folk songs to try and catch the songs before they died out.

Alfred Williams who collected and wrote "Folk Songs of the Upper Thames" wrote in 1923. Here is the quote: "The songs themselves ....are practically defunct. There is no need to revive them to do so in fact would be impossible".

When two societies merged in 1931/2 it was because it was believed there was little left to collect.

Peter Kennedy rushed around with a tape recorder because he believed these songs were disappearing.

People were collecting new material in the 1970's.

Gordon Halls' mother with an amazing repertoire was never recorded. Gordon had a repertoire of 200+ songs and he was not "discovered" until the 1970's.

I personally discovered a previously unknown singing tradition in 2001.

We still sing traditional songs in Sheffield at shepherd's meets for example.

There are dozens of young enthusiastic young people who make their own music in sessions. Sheffield (Britain's fourth largest city) hardly has a traditional style folk club in the town but there is music in two or three places virtually every night of the week.

There are two courses for folk music performance at degree level and also post-graduate stuff too.

I could go on.............

Lizzie what you should have written was:

"In the world in which I live it looks as if folk music might die without me spreading the word and people listening to me. After all I have a wide experience and a great depth of knowledge about this, despite people telling me I haven't".

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:29 AM

Apologies Lizzie - you're right. Without you, no one would know about any of the artists you've given your "support" to. Tell me - have The Demon Barbers and CBS put pen to paper yet to thank you for saving their moribund careers?

These people are professionals, lizzie. They know what they're doing.

Coope Boyes and Simpson are doing brilliantly in a "smallish" world, because, to be perfectly honest, unaccompanied harmony singing is not for everyone - not even all folkies. My ex-husband, for one, who likes a lot of popular folk and listens regularly to Mike Harding, used to leave the room if I put them on. Horses for courses. You can't MAKE people like something just becasue you think it's good.

"The younger people in the folk world, I think, struggle to get their names out there, because of the ridiculous attitude that persists to this day, of having to have been on the circuit for at least 10 years or more before you're taken seriously etc..."

Don't talk complete rubbish, Lizzie. Jackie Oates. Lisa Knapp. Jim Causley. James Reynard. Kris Drever. Park Bench Social Club. Bodega. Mawkin. Do I have to go on? Cause I could. The scene is full of young performers at the moment who get gigs, festival slots and radio airplay (though not necessarily Mike Harding). If anything, the people usually complaining about not being able to get a look-in are the ones who have been doing the club circuit for 10 or 20 years or more and feel they've never been given the opportunities to progress into the mainstream.

You keep trying to convert people one at a time, Lizzie. Go for your life. But be realistic about the impact you have on these artists' success.

So what if Sidmouth hasn't got The Demon Barbers this year? It may be the only festival in YOUR world, but there are over 300 folk festivals in the UK. And the Demons will be programmed at several of them. They played Sidmouth 2 years ago, and no doubt will play it again. To be successful, a fesitval has to have a sufficient variety and rotation of guests each year to maintain the interests of repeat attenders. Not every one wants to see the same bands every year. And most people don't just go to the festival that happens to take place in their home town - they travel, and spend a lot of money, and a festival has to keep doing new things in order to both keep old punters and attract new ones.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:59 AM

Reference your recipe above....
Where can I purchase "Potiates?"
Is this some sort of religious conversion?
At least you're not serving up recipes for Tripe....

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:04 AM

.....Unlike someone else.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:29 AM

Potiates?

Well, they're illegal in London you know but what you need to do is go to Green Lanes quite late in the evening. Can't tell you exactly where or those Mudelves will mod me off.

It's that shop that's painted green and yellow opposite Harringay Green Lanes station. Just sidle in and pretend to be admiring the chervil until it's quiet and then whisper surreptiously 'Oi, mate, got any potiates?'

You'll be hustled into the back and probably frisked. Then you'll be shown a cage with fierce-looking rodents snarling and snapping at the bars. You only need two or three. Choose the ones you want, they'll be lifted out by assistants wearing gauntlets and body armour and dropped into a vat of boiling, Lebanese non-virgin oil (contaminated no doubt with silicon). When dead, take home and cook as instructed.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:31 AM

>>The Demon Barbers and CBS put pen to paper yet to thank you for saving their moribund careers?<<


The Demon Barbers were kind enough to give me some of their 'artist's free tickets' to Beautiful Days last year actually Ruth. Those tickets covered being able to see any artists, for the entire day, I should point out. I raced over to the main arena when they were on and stood there riveted with the rest of the crowd! SUPERB DAY! You can read what happened in my Demons, Diamonds and Disbelief Blog right here, on my Myspace page, first blog....if you should want to of course. ;0) My daughter and I had the most lovely day that day all thanks to the kindness of Damien, Bryony and all the others.

DEMONS DIAMONDS & DISBELIEF

And yes, Lester did thank me, at Sidmouth, for the Folkwaves thread on Radio 2 and for the fun we used to have on there and the interest it generated.

The people who I have had the good fortune to meet in the folk world have all been extremely lovely. Those people, to me, are the 'real' folk world. They are not bitter, high and mighty, bitchy, unpleasant, spiteful, nor do they consider themselves to be better than anyone else or know-it-alls either. They are warm and welcoming, kind and caring.

I have admiration for them all and I thoroughly enjoy writing about them all too. I will also continue to write about them as well.

Folkiedave....thank you for writing what you feel I *should* have written, but I write what I choose to write. Never do I write, or do, as people dictate I should. You are free to interpret my words or twist them, as you deem appropriate to your view of me. But if it's all the same to you, I'll just carry on the way I've always done...

And that is simply being me and loving the music.

Please feel free though, to write in whatever way you all so choose, I'll not fill in your words for you.

Thanks

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:37 AM

Don't think anybody paid to get into Beautiful Days. Comps were 10 a penny (as it were).

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:37 AM

That's right, Lizzie. They're all ever so grateful for your single-handed propping up of their careers.

*sigh*

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:51 AM

Hey Countess.
I don't live very far away from that road...
Discretion. Point taken. It's a dangerous street.
I've been told that the smaller and faster they are (ie, much harder to catch), the more succulent.
I feel an expidition coming on.
Knowing the area well, are there any other dangers I should be aware of?
At my age, I can't run so fast.
Also,after having been lightly killed, do the "Pots" (as I like to call them) last for long in the fridge, or is it best to freeze them? any suggestions for a marnade perhaps?
Thanks for your informed knowledge. It means a lot to me.
Can't wait to incorparate them in your menu.
Yummy

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:20 AM

Yes, of course it's insulting to Damien, but they're not bothered about that, all they're bothered about is being as vitriolic as possible.

Funny how some parts of the folk world are so welcoming and such fun, whilst others are so vindictive and miserable isn't it?

I'm glad I'm with the Welcoming and Fun side though.

I'll leave the others to froth at the mouth.

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:21 AM

Insulting to Damien? Why? It's a whole festival, not just The Demons' performance.

oh, by the way...hi lizzie!

*waves at "guest" *

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Alec
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:55 AM

Maeve that is excellent.Thank you.
Countess,it certainly sounds as though Pan Haggerty & Panacklety are regional variations on the same theme.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:59 AM

no, of course not Lizzie. Which is why you're simply some anonymous guest.

Right...Damien is tightfisted because he gave a fan a ticket for free - lordy, the logic here is about to make me go cross-eyed.

I would assume that the contrary is true - he must have been very generous indeed with those tickets for Lizzie to have ended up with one.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:10 PM

These potiates are Venezualan marsupials with sharp claws, big teeth and they are very, very vicious.

So you have to make sure they are properly and not just lightly dead and you should do this by poking them with a stick. If they twitch, just leave them a while longer but watch out for reflex action from their teeth.

Fill in the time by consuming any other purchases you might have made in Green Lanes (fast running may be necessary) and think about ingredients for the marinade.
Garlic, ginger and chilis, finely chopped, and olive oil from somewhere olives are growing nowadays (I think this includes polar regions), or if funds are short, used engine oil will be fine.

Best to use straight away after several hours of marinading, but if required, they can be kept in the freezer. They don't take up much space, especially if they've been spatchcocked first and stacked in a pile behind the frozen peas.