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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket giving you a chance Date: 11 Nov 13 - 10:11 AM Surely, if you cut and paste them, you can come up with the explanations before I put my own interpretation on them? They take 5 mins for anyone to find and read. Just scroll up, starting early October. Some before then too... I've just said they are there. I have previously put my take on why your motives are suspect. That is what these debates are for. Someone says something, others say what they think of what was said. No further input required. Either accept what you put or dig yourself out of a hole without help. When anyone posts something, you pick up on a word, throw it out of context then try and look hurt. Getting rather tedious to be honest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 Nov 13 - 10:21 AM Someone says something, others say what they think of what was said. YES!! Not claim knowledge of my motive for saying it, which you can not know but I do. seven instances where you said you were a Christian. What is the relevance of that? OK. If true produce an example where I say that without relevance. Just one or all seven. Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 Nov 13 - 10:24 AM When anyone posts something, you pick up on a word, throw it out of context then try and look hurt. No. I do not. You will not produce an example of that either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Stringsinger Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:09 PM Palestinian persecution Palestinians are being marginalized today and an attempt at creating second class citizens in Israel is being done by the government of Israel today. Once again, religion is creating war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:19 PM TIMELINE OF JEWISH PERSECUTIONS Date Place Event 580 B.C. Babylon/Judea Nebuchadnezzar conquers Judea, burns Temple 38 B.C. Alexandria, Egypt Mob Attacks 3 B.C. Egypt Expulsion 66 C.E. Alexandria, Egypt Mob Attacks 70 C.E. Jerusalem Expulsion following revolt 250 C.E. Carthage Expulsion 224 C.E. Italy Forced Conversion 325 C.E. Jerusalem Expulsion renewed by Constantine 351 C.E Persia Book Burning 357 C.E. Italy Property Confiscation 379 C.E. Milan Synagogue Burning 415 C.E. Alexandria Expulsion 418 C.E. Minorca Forced Conversion 468 C.E. Babylon/Judea Expulsion 469 C.E. Ipahan Holocaust 470 C.E. Babylon/Judea Expulsion 489 C.E. Antioch Synagogue Burning 506 C.E. Daphne Synagogue Burning 519 C.E. Ravenna Synagogue Burning 554 C.E. Diocese of Clement (France) Expulsion 561 C.E. Diocese of Uzes (France) Expulsion or Conversion 582 C.E Merovingia Forced Conversion 612 C.E. Visigoth Spain Expulsion 624 C.E. Hejaz Expulsion 628 C.E. Byzantium Forced Conversion 629 C.E. Merovingia Forced Conversion 633 C.E. Toledo Forced Conversion 638 C.E. Toledo Stake Burnings 642 C.E. Visigothic Empire Expulsion 653 C.E. Toledo Expulsion 681 C.E. Spain Forced Conversion 693 C.E. Toledo Jews Enslaved 722 C.E. Byzantium Judaism Outlawed 855 C.E. Italy Expulsion 876 C.E. Sens Expulsion 897 C.E. Narbonne Land Confiscation 945 C.E. Venice Ban on Sea Travel 1009 C.E. Orleans Massacre 1012 C.E. Rouen, Limoges & Rome Massacre 1012 C.E. Mayence, Germany Expulsion 1021 C.E. Rome Jews Burned Alive 1063 C.E. Spain Massacre 1095 C.E. Lorraine &nbs |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:22 PM Cont'd 1096 C.E. Northern France & Germany 1/3 of Jewish Population Massacred as part of the First Crusade 1096 C.E. Hungary Massacre 1096 C.E. Ralisbon Massacre 1099 C.E. Jerusalem Jews Burned Alive 1100 C.E. Kiev Pogrom 1140 C.E. Germany Massacres 1142-1212 C.E. North Africa Massacres 1146 C.E. Rhine Valley Massacre as part of the Second Crusade 1147 C.E. Wurzburg Massacre 1147 C.E. Belitz (Germany) Jews Burned Alive 1147 C.E. Carenton, Ramenu & Sully (France) Massacres 1171 C.E. Blois Stake Burnings 1181 C.E. France Expulsion/Property Confiscation 1181 C.E. England Property Confiscation 1188 C.E. London & York Mob Attacks 1189 C.E. England Mob Attacks against Jews following coronation of Richard the Lionheart/ Property Confiscation. 1190 C.E. Norfolk Jews Burned Alive 1191 C.E. Bray (France) Jews Burned Alive 1195 C.E. France Property Confiscation 1209 C.E. Beziers Massacre 1215 C.E. Rome Jews Forced to Wear Badges 1215 C.E. Toulouse (France) Mass Arrests 1218 C.E. England Jews Forced to Wear Badges 1231 C.E. Rome Inquisition Established 1236 C.E. France Forced Conversion/Massacre 1239 C.E. London Massacre & Property Confiscation 1240 C.E. France Talmud Confiscated 1240 C.E. England Book Burning 1240 C.E. Spain Forced Conversion 1242 C.E. Paris Talmud Burned 1244 C.E. Oxford Mob Attacks 1255 C.E. England Public Hangings 1261 C.E. Canterbury Mob Attacks 1262 C.E. London Mob Attacks 1264 C.E. London Mob Attacks 1267 C.E. Vienna Jews Forced to Wear Horned Hats 1270 C.E. Weissenberg, Magdeburg, Armstadt, Coblenz, Singzig, and Erfurt Jews Burned Alive 1278 C.E. Genoa (Spain) Mob Attacks & |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:24 PM cont'd 1285 C.E. Munich Jews Burned Alive 1290 C.E. England Expulsion 1298 C.E. Franconia, Bavaria & Austria 100,000 Jews slaughtered underr command of German knight Rindfleisch 1306 C.E. France Expulsion by Philip the Fair (Same King who burned the Templars) 1308 C.E. Strasbourg Jews Burned Alive 1320 C.E. Toulouse & Perpigon 120 Communities Massacred & Talmud Burned 1321 C.E. Teruel Public Executions 1328 C.E. Estella 5,000 Jews Slaughtered 1348 C.E. France & Spain Jews Burned Alive 1348 C.E. Switzerland Expulsion 1349 C.E. Worms, Strasbourg, Oppenheim, Jews Burned Alive 1349 C.E. Heilbronn (Germany) Expulsion 1349 C.E. Hungary Expulsion 1349 C.E. Saxony Expulsion 1354 C.E. Castile (Spain) 12,000 Jews Slaughtered 1360 C.E. Hungary Banned 1368 C.E. Toledo 8,000 Jews Slaughtered 1370 C.E. Belgium Expulsion 1370 C.E. Majorca., Penignon & Barcelona Mob Attack 1377 C.E. Huesca (Spain) Jews Burned Alive 1380 C.E. Paris Mob Attack 1384 C.E. Nordlingen Mass Murder 1388 C.E. Strasbourg Expulsion 1389 C.E. Prague Mass Slaughter & Book Burning 1391 C.E. Castille, Toledo, Madrid, Seville, Forced Conversions & Mass Murder 1394 C.E. Germany Expulsion 1394 C.E. France Expulsion 1399 C.E. Posen (Poland) Jews Burned Alive 1400 C.E. Prague Stake Burnings 1407 C.E. Cracow Mob Attack 1415 C.E. Rome Talmud Confiscated 1420 C.E. Austria Expelled by Albrecht V 1422 C.E. Austria Jews Burned Alive 1422 C.E. Austria Expulsion 1424 C.E. Fribourg & Zurich Expulsion 1426 C.E. Cologne Expulsion 1431 C.E. Southern Germany Jews Burned Alive 1432 C.E. Savory Expulsion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:25 PM 1439 C.E. Augsburg Expulsion 1444 C.E. Netherlands Expulsion 1449 C.E. Toledo Public Torture &. Burnings 1453 C.E. Franconia Expulsion 1453 C.E. Breslau Expulsion 1453 C.E. Poland Citzenship revoked 1454 C.E. Wurzburg Expulsion 1456 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion 1463 C.E. Cracow Mob Attack 1473 C.E. Andalusia Mob Attack 1480 C.E. Venice Jews Burned Alive 1481 C.E. Seville Stake Burnings 1484 C.E. Cuidad Real, Guadalupe, Sarago Jews Burned Alive 1485 C.E. Vincenza (Italy) Expulsion 1486 C.E. Toledo Jews Burned Alive 1488 C.E. Toledo Stake Burnings 1490 C.E. Toledo Public Executions 1491 C.E. Astorga Public Torture & Execution 1492 C.E. Sicily Expulsion 1492 C.E. Spain Choice between Expulsion or Conversion (When the Rivero family became Catholic) 1495 C.E. Lithuania Expulsion by Grand Duke Alexander 1497 C.E. Portugal Expulsion 1499 C.E. Germany Expulsion 1506 C.E. Lisbon Mob Attack 1510 C.E. Berlin Public Torture & Execution 1510 C.E. Brandenberg Expulsion 1510 C.E. Prussia Expulsion 1514 C.E. Strasbourg Expulsion 1519 C.E. Regensburg Expulsion 1539 C.E. Cracow & Portugal Stake Burnings 1540 C.E. Naples and Sardinia Expulsion 1542 C.E. Bohemia Expulsion 1550 C.E. Genoa and Venice Expulsion 1551 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion 1553 C.E. Rome Talmud burned 1555 C.E. Pesaro Expulsion 1556 C.E. Sokhachev (Poland) Public Torture & Execution 1559 C.E. Austria Expulsion 1561 C.E. Prague Expulsion 1567 C.E. Wurzburg Expulsion 1569 C.E. Italy and Papal States Expulsion 1571 C.E. Brandenburg Expulsion 1582 C.E. Hungary Banned a second time &nbs |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:28 PM cont'd 1582 C.E. Netherlands Expulsion 1593 C.E. Brunswick Expulsion 1593 C.E. Brandenburg, Austria Expulsion 1593 C.E. Italy Banned a second time 1597 C.E. Cremona, Pavia & Lodi Expulsion 1614 C.E. Frankfort Expulsion 1615 C.E. Worms Expulsion 1619 C.E. Kiev Expulsion 1635 C.E. Vilna Mob Attack 1637 C.E. Cracow Public Torture & Execution 1647 C.E. Lisbon Jews Burned Alive 1648 C.E. Poland 1/3 of Jewry Slaughtered 1649 C.E. Ukraine Expulsion 1649 C.E. Hamburg Expulsion 1652 C.E. Lisbon Stake Burnings 1654 C.E. New Amsterdam Expulled by Peter Stuyvesant (order later retracted) 1654 C.E. Little Russia Expulsion 1656 C.E. Lithuania Expulsion 1660 C.E. Seville Jews Burned Alive 1663 C.E Cracow Public Torture &. Execution 1664 C.E. Lemberg Mob Attack 1669 C.E. Oran (North Africa) Expulsion 1670 C.E. Vienna Expulsion 1671 C.E. Minsk Mob Attacks 1681 C.E. Vilna Mob Attacks 1682 C.E. Marseilles Expulsion 1682 C.E. Cracow Mob Attacks 1687 C.E. Posen Mob Attacks 1712 C.E. Sandomir Expulsion 1727 C.E. Russia Expulsion 1738 C.E. Wurtemburg Expulsion 1740 C.E. Liule Russia Expulsion 1744 C.E Hungary Banned for the third time by Queen Maria Theresa. "Henceforth, no Jew, no matter under what name, will be allowed to remain here without my written permission. I know of no other troublesome pest within the state than this race, which impoverishes the people by their fraud, usury and money-lending and commits all deeds which an honorable man despises. Subsequently, they have to be removed and excluded from here as much as possible." 1744 C.E. Livonia Expulsion 1745 C.E. Moravia Expulsion by order of the King (to halt mob attacks on Jews) 1753 C.E. Kovad (Lithuania) Expulsion 1757 C.E. Kamenetz Talmud Burning 1761 C.E. Bordeaux Expulsion 1768 C.E. Kiev 3,000 Jews Slaughtered 1772 C.E. Russia Expulsion to the Pale of Settlement 1775 C.E. Warsaw Expulsion 1789 C.E. Alsace Expulsion 1790 C.E. Morocco Expulsion, villages destroyed 1801 C.E. Bucharest Mob Attack 1804 C.E. Russian Villages Expulsion 1808 C.E. Russian Countryside Expulsion 1814 C.E. Norway Rescinds ban on Jews 1815 C.E. Lubeck & Bremen Expulsion 1815 C.E. Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria Expulsion 1820 C.E. Bremes Expulsion 1843 C.E. Austria & Prussia Expulsion 1850 C.E. New York City 500 People, Led by Police, Attacked &. Wrecked, Jewish Synagogue 1862 C.E. United States Expelled by Ulysses S. Grant (order later retracted) 1866 C.E Galatz (Romania) Expulsion 1871 C.E. Odena Mob Attack 1882 C.E. Russia Laws banishing Jews relaxed under Alexander II. Following his assassination by a Jewish plot, expulsion of 1772 restored. 1887 C.E. Slovakia Mob Attacks 1897 C.E. Kantakuzenka (Russia) Mob Attacks 1898 C.E. Rennes (France) Mob Attack 1899 C.E. Nicholayev Mob Attack 1900 C.E. Konitz (Prussia) Mob Attack 1902 C.E. Poland Widespread Pogroms 1904 C.E. Manchuria, Kiev & Volhynia Widespread Pogroms 1905 C.E. Zhitomir (Yolhynia) Mob Attacks 1919 C.E Bavaria Expulsion 1915 C.E. Georgia (U.S.A.) Leo Frank Lynched 1919 C.E. Mongolia Pogrom 1919 C.E. Prague Wide Spread Pogroms 1920 C.E. Munich & Breslau Mob Attacks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:29 PM cont'd 1926 C.E. Uzbekistan Pogrom 1928 C.E. Hungary Widespread Anti-Semitic Riots on University Campuses 1929 C.E. Lemberg (Poland) Mob Attacks 1930 C.E. Berlin Mob Attack 1933 C.E. Bucharest Mob Attacks 1933 C.E. Europe Immigrant Jews banned from citizenship. 1935 C.E. Germany Loss of citizenship, inprisonment in slave labor camps. 1948 C.E. Libya Pogrom 1969 C.E. Iraq Executions |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket friendly advice Date: 11 Nov 13 - 02:10 PM Shhh... Bobad. Don't tell Keith, he gets all kind of funny if it doesn't show Christians as martyrs. Then you end up in a game with him. He challenges you to find something he subsequently denies. You find it. He challenges you to find it "in context" You get tired of his little games. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Greg F. Date: 11 Nov 13 - 02:38 PM A BooBadian Bout of Postarrhoea worthy of our old horseshitter himself, Bullshit Bruce. Congratulations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 Nov 13 - 03:48 PM He challenges you to find something he subsequently denies. You find it. He challenges you to find it "in context" MUS. Don't tell Keith, he gets all kind of funny if it doesn't show Christians as martyrs. MUS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket curious Date: 12 Nov 13 - 02:31 AM You forgot the bit about becoming tired of your little games. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Elmore Date: 12 Nov 13 - 07:57 PM Christian Persecution: You live in an area where there are 27 Baptist churches, (plus another 25 Christian churches of various denominations), and 3 restaurants with a liquor licence. So, you order a Jameson's on the rocks and they give you a glass of water with a splash of whiskey.(To save your soul?) For that they charge you 9 dollars. That's what I call Christian persecution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Elmore Date: 13 Nov 13 - 08:06 PM Sarah Palin takes a whack at Pope Frank, and, by association millions of Catholics around the world, for being too liberal. Another example of Christian Persecution. The Evangelicals don't consider Roman Catholics to be real Christians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket getting his tuppence worth Date: 14 Nov 13 - 03:25 AM Aye and on this side of the pond. .. You would normally describe the Anglican Church of England as half hearted, believing in tradition more than God. However. . An ex Archbishop of Canterbury, using the media influence his old job gets him, gave a speech in The House of Lords (yeah, we still allow them to influence laws that affect everyone) where he bemoaned the fact that they are increasingly becoming irrelevant, said it was sad that the deputy Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition were irreligious atheists and called this state of affairs "Persecution. " He said in an interview later that laws should be strengthened to allow his mates in the upper house to "weild more influence and have the veto on moral matters. " (BBC Newsnight if Her Majesties Inspector of Mudcat.org sources wishes to deny it as usual. ) I discussed this with a CofE vicar who carries out pastoral chaplaincy where I work and he reckons that this, the laity vote to remain bigoted with regard to female bishops and the assertiveness of evangelical politicians is a huge block to progress if they wish, and he sincerely does, to remain relevant and offer something to society at large. He reminded me it is possible to have religion without belief and belief without religion. Try telling that to the sanctimonious sods scattered around the largely empty pews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Nov 13 - 03:33 AM This thread is about the kind of persecution where people are killed, tortured, raped and forced to convert, churches and homes burned and communities driven to flee in despair and fear. Thank you for seeking to broaden the debate, but I will not be joining in with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Nov 13 - 09:09 AM He said in an interview later that laws should be strengthened to allow his mates in the upper house to "weild more influence and have the veto on moral matters. " I get no hits for that quote, even with the spelling corrected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket Date: 14 Nov 13 - 09:11 AM This thread is called Christian persecution. An ex leader of the Anglican cult of the Christian faith described what he called Christian persecution. Not sure I am widening any debate. Just demonstrating what I perceive as your motive in perpetuating a divisive, sectarian thread that slaps oppressed people squarely in the face by creating "some pigs are more equal than others " comparisons. Tell you what, perhaps everybody should just agree with every utterance you make and then you might just fuck off and allow debate on important matters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Nov 13 - 09:27 AM An ex leader of the Anglican cult of the Christian faith described what he called Christian persecution. Did he? Unless we have the actual quote, how can anyone comment? Is this it, from George Carey in the Daily Mail "At his (Cameron's) pre-Easter Downing Street reception for faith leaders, he said that he supported Christians' right to practise their faith. Yet many Christians doubt his sincerity. According to a new ComRes poll more than two-thirds of Christians feel that they are part of a 'persecuted minority'. Their fears may be exaggerated because few in the UK are actually persecuted, but the Prime Minister has done more than any other recent political leader to feed these anxieties." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket Date: 14 Nov 13 - 11:05 AM Try Carey on Newsnight or Hansard. I apologise profusely and humbly for the spelling mistake above. Mistakes were made and all that crap. I take full responsibility for the auto correct in the phone operating system but be buggered if I can find anywhere in either Android or specific Samsung settings how to elevate the command of English in the fucking thing or indeed my own ability to speed read when I only have five mins of entertaining distraction before plodding on with my miserable life. I shall take a loaded gun to my study on my return home. Thank Clapton that's the only thing I need to apologise for. You are the one needing to apologise for only believing it if they say it in The Daily M*il. His dig at Cameron by the way was for seeing gay marriage as righting an ancient wrong and for saying that in the name of equality women should be eligible for senior management positions within their organisation. Nasty little shit, isn't he? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Nov 13 - 11:28 AM I was not criticising. I make plenty of mistakes. Just reassuring you I searched the right quote. If it was in Hansard Google would have found it. If it was said on Newsnight the media would have picked it up. How about YOU find the quote you want me to respond to? I do criticise you for posting something in quotes that is not a quote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Nov 13 - 02:54 AM TODAY "Baroness Warsi: Extremists are driving Christians out of their homelands. We must act. Terrorist violence against Christians has put the very survival of the religion in some regions in peril. We cannot stand idle, says Baroness Warsi." " From continent to continent, Christians are facing discrimination, ostracism, torture, even murder, simply for the faith they follow. The pages of this newspaper regularly chart the plight of the persecuted, from the scores of worshippers killed recently by bombers at All Saints Church in Pakistan to the Coptic congregation sprayed with bullets by gunmen in Egypt. Christian populations are plummeting and the religion is being driven out of some of its historic heartlands. There is even talk of Christianity becoming extinct in places where it has existed for generations – where the faith was born. In Iraq, the Christian community has fallen from 1.2 million in 1990 to 200,000 today. In Syria, the horrific bloodshed has masked the haemorrhaging of its Christian population." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10450615/Baroness-Warsi-Extremists-are-driving-Christians-out-of-their-homelands.-We-must-act..html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket curious Date: 15 Nov 13 - 03:41 AM Do you think Warsi is credible in terms of you quoting her because she is a Muslim or because she is a conservative? She points out a particular problem. She acknowledges that Christians are the large minority and therefore target wherever civil conflict occurs. She doesn't seem to be saying they are being persecuted for being Christian. Not even the token poster girl goes that far. ..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Nov 13 - 04:09 AM She doesn't seem to be saying they are being persecuted for being Christian. " Christians are facing discrimination, ostracism, torture, even murder, simply for the faith they follow" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Nov 13 - 04:32 AM Do you think Warsi is credible in terms of you quoting her because she is a Muslim or because she is a conservative? Er, because she is "a senior minister of state." Do you suppose she has an anti-Muslim "agenda" Musket? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Jim Carroll Date: 15 Nov 13 - 05:20 AM Would this be an example to Christian persecution - fro today's Times? Jim Carroll JEWS ABUSED BY CATHOLIC EXTREMISTS | Argentina James Hider A group of fundamentalist Catholics disrupted a Kristallnacht meeting in Buenos Aires and shouted abuse at Jewish worshippers in a protest seen as a direct challenge to Pope Francis. Jews and Catholics had gathered in the Metropolitan Cathedral to mark the anniversary of the night when Nazis ransacked Jewish property across Germany in 1938. The activists stormed in, shouting "the Jews killed Jesus". When Rabbi Abraham Skorka told them that his grandmother had died in Auschwitz, I one said: "Do you believe that lie?" The protesters were from the Society of Saint Pius X, whose leaders were ex¬communicated for forming a schisma¬tic society opposed to modernisation in the Church. Under the conservative Pope Benedict, the excommunications were reversed and attempts were made to reconcile the group, but it still has no legal standing in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis has shown little interest in building bridges with them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Nov 13 - 05:35 AM no |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Jim Carroll Date: 15 Nov 13 - 06:31 AM Why not - it is a simple statement of fact of Christians persecutiong Jews erg - Christian Persecution - your title? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Nov 13 - 07:02 AM You asked my opinion. You got it. I have been at meetings and demos where someone else has turned up and disrupted it or been abusive. I bet you have too. I did not feel persecuted. Compare that to what Warsi was describing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Greg F. Date: 15 Nov 13 - 10:11 AM In Keith's world, Jim, it is impossible for "Christians"[sic] to persecute anyone - they can only be the recipients. Perhaps they're "chosen people". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket gettin.. can't be arsed Date: 15 Nov 13 - 01:43 PM Keith reckons Christians are all being persecuted for the religion they follow. Must be a fucking awful religion then. ... Look. Nobody who is persecuting others gives a shit about whose imaginary friend or book of fables runs their lives. Many are classed as Christian in the same way as I would be by nutters who think that being English and assumingly indigenous makes me a Christian. The rabble carrying out the atrocities are programmed by religious leaders to believe all apostates must die. Those ordering the atrocities think it is kill them before they kill us and those in charge of the country enjoy the distraction of blaming someone other than them for the hunger and lack of jobs. Being persecuted for the details of your particular delusion. How fucking arrogant is that? We will never get to the bottom of such issues whilst sectarian views like that are spouted out demanding respect. I have none. I keep it all for football. Religion itself, not particular delusions is used as a weapon for more secular causes. Prattling on about which part of religion suffers is like wondering which bean on your plate caused that fart. Many of the sufferers are rounded up by association not belief. Believe it or not, not everybody believes in fairy tales, not even in developing countries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Nov 13 - 03:43 PM Nobody who is persecuting others gives a shit about whose imaginary friend or book of fables runs their lives. You are quite clearly and obviously wrong. The persecutors single out their victims from the other groups who they choose not persecute. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Elmore Date: 15 Nov 13 - 04:40 PM Keith: You wrote "The persecute single out their victims from who they choose not persecute." Care to elucidate? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 15 Nov 13 - 04:58 PM The Kenya mall massacre is one current example, there are countless others. You can find out about them if you care enough to look. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Greg F. Date: 15 Nov 13 - 05:48 PM Atta boy BooBad - shuck & jive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Greg F. Date: 15 Nov 13 - 06:26 PM "The persecute single out their victims from who they choose not persecute." Care to elucidate? That's every bit as clear and self-evident as all the rest of his pronouncements, Elmore. What's your problem? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket curious Date: 16 Nov 13 - 02:09 AM Victims in the Kenya shopping mall atrocity were singled out in the main for either looking Western or not knowing the name of the prophet's mother. On that basis, I would have been targeted on both counts. So would a few million other rational Westerners. In fact most Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, Pastafarians (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) and antipastifarians (The reformed church of the flying spaghetti monster. ) We'd all be fucked. I repeat. The foot soldiers are normally brainwashed into believing their own cult requires apostasy to be eradicated. They don't give a rats arse what it means to be a Christian. Those behind atrocities find them useful and convenient for more temporal reasons. Keith has it in his head that Christianity is somehow special. The murderers and bombers think their cult is somehow special. You start to see the problem with tolerating religion at all. .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Nov 13 - 02:36 AM Keith: You wrote "The persecute single out their victims from who they choose not persecute." Care to elucidate? No Elmore, I wrote "The persecutors single out their victims from the other groups who they choose not persecute." They machine gun a church but not a temple or mosque. It is deliberate. As Warsi said, " Christians are facing discrimination, ostracism, torture, even murder, simply for the faith they follow" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket curious Date: 16 Nov 13 - 03:52 AM Who are they? Which church? Which mosques and temples are spared? Easy this fact mill lark. .. Warsi was sacked as Chairman of The Conservative Party for being a loose cannon who doesn't check facts. That's a fact by the way. In this, she is wrong to assert what cannot be asserted. Even if it were true, which would contradict many reports If it were, there is no way of knowing that. Nobody cares about Jesus. They just see a convenient scape goat. (Jewish contraption apparently. ) I know your local vicar will waffle on about suffering for sins but that doesn't mean you have to bleat about persecution and try to link it with your belief. It only washes with other impressionable fools. Rational people dismiss it as an attempt at biblical prophesy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Nov 13 - 04:14 AM Even if it were true, which would contradict many reports If it were, Made up shit again Musket. Or are you going to produce some of those "many reports" ? No. You never do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: bobad Date: 16 Nov 13 - 08:03 AM "It's not safe for Christians in this country," said Mano Rumalshah, the bishop emeritus of Peshawar, who was standing in the courtyard, comforting sobbing parishioners who clasped his white robes. "Everyone is ignoring the growing danger to Christians in Muslim-majority countries. The European countries don't give a damn about us." Others echoed the bishop's warning, saying that Christians would only be safe if they left Pakistan. But others vowed to remain and show they were not afraid." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/23/pakistan-church-bombings-christian-minority |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket getting Pissed off now Date: 16 Nov 13 - 08:28 AM The issue isn't whether a predominance of Christians are being persecuted. The issue is saying it is because they are Christian whereas it is far more likely that it is because they are a large minority. Or different. Or linked to Western ideology. Or. ... It certainly isn't because of their Bible, church or style of fairy stories. Keith deluded himself into thinking it is. How arrogant to think one religion is superior to any other? Warsi? Try looking her up. I wouldn't trust her to tell me where the nearest Post Office was were I in Dewsbury. ...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Elmore Date: 16 Nov 13 - 12:02 PM O'Reilly and Palin are at it again, persecuting us heathens in the name of Christianity by exaggerating our feelings about, and actions against Christmas to sell their books. Doesn't sound very Christian to me, nor do some of the posts to this thread. Incidentally, why the ambiguous title to this thread? Could mean several things. I choose to take it to mean Persecution by Christians. God knows there's been plenty of that, and She's not happy about it. Perhaps I missed something. All these polysyllabic epistemological riffs are beyond my comprehension. Merry Christmas, Elmore |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Greg F. Date: 16 Nov 13 - 01:36 PM They ain't at it again, Elmore - the're STILL at it; the "Christian"[sic] fundagelical delusionalists have never ceased their persecutions. And "Christians"[sic] have always been right at the top of the agents of persecution. MARANATHA !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Nov 13 - 01:57 PM Keith deluded himself into thinking it is. How arrogant to think one religion is superior to any other? More made up shit about me. Of course i think no such thing, but there is no question non-Christians are persecuting Christians, and they do it because they hate Christianity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly Date: 16 Nov 13 - 03:03 PM They'd certainly hate you, you thick twat. The more I read, the more I am convinced you are a horrible little man. You twist everything to fit your delusional image of what it means to be a so called Christian or a so called soldier or a so called anything you can put your old fashioned disgraced outlook to. Society has moved on. I am purely humouring you. Nobody gives a shit about old men hankering for an idealised community that never exactly existed. Except in your head and the heads of the Telegraph / M*il readership. Keith. Nobody gives a fuck. Sit in your chair with your newspaper and rants. I used to inspect care homes. Full of people like you who are and by their views should be ignored. And they are. And society is slowly recovering. Thank Clapton. If the world is to take a good look at itself, the first job is to disregard religious minded fools like you. You are part of the problem not the solution. Rattling on about religion being a factor just encourages other religious fruitcakes to commit atrocities. The difference between you and them is semantics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Elmore Date: 16 Nov 13 - 04:07 PM 1199. Do I hear 1200? Going once. Going twice.......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Nov 13 - 02:08 AM Caring about persecution makes you human, not a "religious minded fool." I was shocked that people argued this. I was prepared for indifference, but not hate from otherwise apparently decent people. |