BS: Christian Persecution

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jan 14 - 06:54 AM

You are prepared to support uncritically the claims of an extremist racist site (app 1,000) after only examining couple of them and refusingto look at the reast.

I have examined several, and I have posted proof of four in this thread.
Two were chosen at random and two by yourself.
You have not told us how many you have checked, but neither of us, nor anyone else, has yet found a false entry.
I will check a couple more if you like, and you can choose them.
Choose a couple of really unlikely ones.

Do you have any comments on the list compiled by The Independent?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Stringsinger
Date: 31 Jan 14 - 05:54 PM

Simple problem: each religion thinks it's the only one with their god so the persecution of other outside religions is built in to their own. It's a primitive form of tribalism that takes its form in violence and warfare.

There will always be persecutions of every religion as long as their are those who cling to theirs at the expense of others.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 01:29 AM

"Simple problem."
Simple question.
Do you believe in the right to freedom of belief?
Do you care that it is being denied to Christians in many lands?
Do you care that they are being persecuted to extinction by murder, torture, destruction of homes and churches, .........................

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 04:46 AM

Quanta Ahmed, a female Muslim physicisan.
"Christian persecution in the Muslim World goes unremarked upon in the Muslim world. Yet Christian existence in the Middle East, the very region where Christianity first arrived to world, is today imperiled to a degree formerly unseen in its history.

The erosion of Christians in the Middle East and North Africa region daily escalates. Rabid political Islamism, which both calls for the elimination of Christians from formerly pluralistic societies and seeds a climate ripe for sectarian violence, drives the exodus of Christians from the region.

Visiting persecuted Christians in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, it's the silence that strikes me most. British nurses hide crucifixes from view; Filipino nurses furtively read banned Christmas catalogues; Christian physicians whisper their weekend plans, referring to church services as "gatherings" at diplomatic compounds; Christian Pakistani matrons scheduling the nursing rota risk false accusations of blasphemy – charges which could result in death.

All these Christians, my colleagues and friends, live in dire peril for expressing their religious observation."

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 07:59 AM

What Quanta Ahmed says makes her an Islamophobe Keith, dontcha see? And what about them poor Irish lasses denied an abortion....it's the same persecution. And what Islamophobic site did you get that from.....and blah, blah blah ad nauseam.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 08:03 AM

That was me making the perspicacious editorial comment above.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 10:46 AM

"There were about 40 named contributors plus some unnamed Guests.
That proves they are not "common throughout the country" as you claimed.
You were wrong and I was right as usual."

40+ people from a population of 63 million?

Oh, well that proves it must be right.........NOT!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Stringsinger
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 10:47 AM

"All these Christians, my colleagues and friends, live in dire peril for expressing their religious observation."

The same is true for Muslims living in the U.S. Even Sikhs are killed for expressing their religion and they aren't even Muslims but ignorantly mistaken for them.

Christians have a history of ramming their religion down the throats of others so any retaliation is simply "the chickens coming home to roost". I'm not saying that this is moral or right but a cause and effect engendered by religion. It's a case of "my god is bigger than your god."

Religious fanaticism, promoting wars, silencing others who don't believe they way they do, organizing shaming cults, promoting mythology, Muslim and Christian extremism are exactly the same thing, as Hindu and Muslim wars, Jewish and Muslim wars, Catholic and Jewish wars (historically), Catholic and Protestant wars, the list goes on and is accessible to all who care to see it.

The idea that Christians are somehow above atrocities delivered in their name is specious, silly, misleading, and are bullies on the school ground who when beaten by other bullies cry "uncle".

As long as religion prevails, we will see more of this whining, beating and violence.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 10:58 AM

"He is a Westerner and he was addressing Westerners.
When he referred to "our ancestors" he clearly meant Westerners' ancestors, and that makes perfect sense."

By the time Christianity reached England most of the ancestors to whom you refer were half Roman and others who came with the Romans. There were some Pagans, Celts etc, and there still are.

This hardly gels with the claim of Ed West, nor does it apply to the multiplicity of ancestors from other incursions.

His claim is pure blether, which is probably why you defend it so asiduously.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 12:04 PM

Stringsinger.
Simple question.
Do you believe in the right to freedom of belief?
Do you care that it is being denied to Christians in many lands?
Do you care that they are being persecuted to extinction by murder, torture, destruction of homes and churches, .........................

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 12:10 PM

Troubadour, Rome is in the West.
Anything else I can educate you about?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 12:12 PM

"The idea that Christians are somehow above atrocities delivered in their name is specious, silly, misleading, and are bullies on the school ground who when beaten by other bullies cry "uncle"."

I haven't seen anyone saying that here but thanks for the fine example of a "straw man" argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 12:12 PM

And, the Celts were Pagans too.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 03:46 AM

Stringsinger, are you ashamed to answer those simple questions?
Here they are again.
Do you believe in the right to freedom of belief?
Do you care that it is being denied to Christians in many lands?
Do you care that they are being persecuted to extinction by murder, torture, destruction of homes and churches, .........................

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 09:24 AM

"Do you care that they are being persecuted to extinction by murder, torture, destruction of homes and churches"
About as uch as you care about Christians raping children and breaking up marriages... and all the other things indulged in by the Christian church apparently
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 09:36 AM

I do care about clerical abuse, I think more than you.
I have expressed my abhorrence, and will join you again in condemning it unreservedly.
But not on this thread.

You clearly believe, wrongly, that I do not care.
By your last post then, you state that you do not care about this.

You have no compassion for Christians.
You hate them.
That is what really drives your ranting about clerical abuse, not any compassion for the victims.
Just cold, harsh ideology.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 08:33 AM

You people must have hearts of stone.
These are the poorest and most vulnerable people in the world.
Such people who you would normally be vocal in support of, but because of their faith, their extermination leaves you unmoved.

You even try as hard as you can to prevent it being discussed, by constantly trying to change the subject.

Your ideology is devoid of normal human compassion.
And I am denounced, on trumped up charges, for daring to question Comrade Chairman Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 06:52 AM

In an article written for L'Osservatore Romano newspaper on 10 January 2014, Baroness Warsi, Senior Minister of State at the Foreign Office and Minister for Faith, addressed the increased global threats to religious freedom. She described this as a "global crisis" and highlighted that "the UK government has elevated it to a key priority in our human rights work".
https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/holy-see-christians-in-the-middle-east

Sayeed Warsi said Christians were often 'scapegoated' for events that take place thousands of miles away

Britain's most senior Muslim politician, Sayeeda Warsi, has warned that the persecution of Christians has become 'a global crisis'.

Minister for Faith Baroness Warsi described 'a rising tide' in attacks on Christians in the war-torn regions of Egypt, Iraq and Syria where they often become 'scapegoats' for events taking place thousands of miles away.

Warsi, a mother of five and the daughter of Pakistani immigrants, pointed out that Christian minorities are threatened by Muslim majorities in the very places that gave rise to Christianity.

In an open letter to L'Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican newspaper, she wrote: 'The bitterest irony of this persecution - ostracism, discrimination, abuse, forced conversion, torture and even murder - is that it is taking place in a region where Christianity has its roots.

'Sometimes these cases are examples of collective punishment: people lashing out at Christian minorities in response to events happening many miles away.


'Other times, a Christian is just a convenient 'other' - a scapegoat.'

'The threat to religious freedom, I believe, has become a global crisis.'

The number of Christians killed for their faith around the world doubled in 2013. The senior Tory said that majority Muslim communities have a duty to defend Christian minorities.

She said: 'History teaches us that we have only defeated intolerance and hatred when we have all come together, whatever the cause. The majority communities need to defend the minorities.'

The peer, who is also a Foreign and Commonwealth Office Minister of State, said that 'the government has elevated (religious discrimination against Christians and other minorities) to a key priority in the government's human rights work.'

An estimated 100 million Christians around the world suffered persecution for their faith in 2013.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 01:21 PM

A Unite Nations report has just demanded that the worlds most powerful Christian Church stops protecting pedophile priests by moving them about the system and hiding their crimes
Christian persecution exposed internationally
The destroying of the lives of children is every bit as bad, if not worse than taking lives - especially when it is sanctioned by the church by indifference and inaction, and even collusion.
Hearts of stone my arseum - we couldn't egin to compete Keith, you've cornered the market on supporting depravity
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Scathing_U.N._report_demands_Vatican_act_against_child_sex_abuse.html?cid=3788911
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 01:49 PM

The destroying of the lives of children is every bit as bad, if not worse than taking lives - especially when it is sanctioned by the church by indifference and inaction, and even collusion.

I agree Jim, but this is the wrong thread.
Why is it so important to you that discussion of religious persecution is forced off the forum?
Because you are a bigot who hates Christians?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 02:56 PM

I point out the difference in your immense concern for supposedly persecuted Bedouin in Israel, who are flourishing and thriving, compared to your cold indifference to the appalling plight of these Christian people suffering persecution so severe they face annihilation.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 03:05 PM

But it is not like he gives a shit about Arab children- Jim just does not like Israelis.


BEIRUT (AP) — Children in Syria have been tortured, maimed and sexually abused by President Bashar Assad's forces and recruited for combat by the rebels fighting to topple him during the country's nearly 3-year-old conflict, a new United Nations report said.

U.N. report details child abuses by Syria rebels, government troops Reuters
Russia says Syria to ship chemical arms as civilians flee bombs Reuters
Syrian govt, rebels face off _ briefly, silently Associated Press
Syrian govt: Opposition are traitors Associated Press
The report, which highlights the treatment of children in the conflict from the beginning of the uprising against Assad in March 2011 until Nov. 15, 2013, was released this week to the Security Council and was posted on the U.N. website Tuesday.

It cites U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon as saying that Syrian children have been subjected to "unspeakable suffering" during that time. Ban urged Syria's warring sides to "take, without delay, all measures to protect and uphold the rights of all children in Syria."

The uprising against Assad's rule began with largely peaceful protests in 2011 but evolved in time into a bloody civil war that has killed more than 130,000 people, according to activists. Millions of Syrians have been driven from their homes, seeking shelter in neighboring countries or in safer parts of their homeland.

The conflict has hit the country's children hard.

http://news.yahoo.com/un-report-details-impact-war-syrian-children-124314025.html

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 03:33 PM

"But it is not like he gives a shit about Arab children- Jim just does not like Israelis."
Ah - a blast from the past someone who blames Jews for Israel's crimes against humanity - and there's me thinking we only had one anti-Semite on this thread - Keith!!
"Christian people suffering persecution so severe they face annihilation."
They do not face annihilation - they are as subject to religious persecution as are their own victims now and throughout history.
When will you cop on Keith - your appallingly bad display of crocodile tears has fooled nobody.
You don't give a shit about Christians - or any religion being persecuted - you wouldn't have told the Christian victims of persecution by Christians to piss off and live somewhere else if they donlt like it if you gave a fiddlers fart.
You wouldn't have refused to participate in or even tied to suppress discussion of the causes of religious if ur worried you one iota.
You wouldn't refuse to discuss child rape by Christian clerics if persecution of Christians caused you to lose a wink of sleep.
You have never once paid anything more than mealy-mouthed lip service clerical rape and you have never once condemned the Christian church for allowing it to happen or for their covering up for the culprits and suppressing evidence of their crimes - not once, not one single murmer of condemnation over all the time the subject has been raised.
On the contrary - you have persistently defended persecution by the Christian Church by denying it happens.
You are, of course, free to prove me wrong on this by producing examples of your condemnation - but you won't because there aren't any.
You are using the genuine persecution of Christians by fanatics to persecute others being far more persecuted - and over a far longer period.
You yourself have actively indulged in the persecution of Muslims by branding all of them implanted perverts
I suggest you take your horrendous bigotry somewhere else and stick it as far as it can go
"All lies" of course - goes without saying - but of course that won't stop you from doing so anyway.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 03:38 PM

I admit I was wrong- Jim does not hate Israeli Arabs, Israeli Christians, Israeli Druze, or any other Israelis EXCEPT for Israeli Jews…



100 million Christians persecuted- he doesn't think this worth commenting on.

130,000 Syrians killed- No reason to complain there.

40,000 Bedouins moved into standardized housing from condemned housing- THAT is enough to demand the removal of Israel from the map!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 04:49 PM

Yup - still skulking behind six million murdered to defend Israeli atrocities
Haven't seen your face on this thread much Brucie
We've condemned all religious persecution - Keithie had defended atrocities by Christians and won't let us talk about anything but those committed by Muslim nutters
Funny old world you bigots occupy   
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 04:57 PM

I certainly have deplored clerical abuse and do so again now.
I expressed "abhorrence" just 2 days ago right here.

They do not face annihilation - they are as subject to religious persecution as are their own victims now and throughout history.

These poor and vulnerable people have no victims.
"Anniliation" was the description in the WND headline I put up last week.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 05:26 PM

Haven't seen your face on this thread much Brucie

Baruch Hashem!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 06:47 PM

"Troubadour, Rome is in the West.
Anything else I can educate you about?"

I didn't realise you had moved Turkey to the West, you clever lad. Constantinople wasn't it, when Christianity really took a hold.

Prior to that Christians were largely regarded as lion food.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 06:56 PM

"It cites U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon as saying that Syrian children have been subjected to "unspeakable suffering" during that time. Ban urged Syria's warring sides to "take, without delay, all measures to protect and uphold the rights of all children in Syria."

The uprising against Assad's rule began with largely peaceful protests in 2011 but evolved in time into a bloody civil war that has killed more than 130,000 people, according to activists. Millions of Syrians have been driven from their homes, seeking shelter in neighboring countries or in safer parts of their homeland."

Thank you BB for making our point.

People (especially minorities) are being persecuted all over the world, but KA of H only wants to talk about those who are Christian, and then accuses everyone else of being heartless.

He doesn't give a damn about those Syrian children, nor does he care about any others in that conflict, unless they are Christian.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 01:06 AM

Not true guest.
I even started a thread about the horror of Syria, and I was the first and almost the only one to do so.
I have also said here, repeatedly, that I would welcome discussion about any religious persecution.
The links I have put up all say that Christians are suffering far more than any other group.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 03:10 AM

Troubadour, you posted this.
""West pointed out that these communities "were Christian when our ancestors were worshipping trees and stones." Now they are in danger of imminent extinction."
If West made that statement, he merely proved what a bloody ignorant fool he was."

Our Anglo-Saxon and Celtic ancestors were indeed doing that when those communities were established, so West was right and you were wrong to rubbish his whole thesis because of an ignorance of History that was YOURS not his!


Let me (and wiki) educate you again.

Anglo-Saxon paganism refers to the religious beliefs and practices followed by the Anglo-Saxons between the fifth and eighth centuries AD, during the initial period of Early Medieval England. A variant of the Germanic paganism found across much of north-western Europe, it encompassed a heterogeneous variety of disparate beliefs and cultic practices.
The pagan Anglo-Saxons worshipped at a variety of different sites across their landscape, some of which were apparently specially built temples and others that were natural geographical features such as sacred trees, hilltops or wells.

Germanic paganism refers to the theology and religious practices of the Germanic peoples from the Iron Age until their Christianization during the Medieval period.
there is evidence from later continental Europe, Anglo-Saxon England and Scandinavia that the pagans worshipped out of doors at "trees, groves, wells, stones, fences and cairns.

The Celts venerated certain trees. The Celts were animists, believing that all aspects of the natural world contained spirits, and that communication was possible with these spirits.[24]
These animistic deities were often worshiped, so places such as rocks, streams, mountains, and trees may all have had shrines or offerings devoted to a deity residing there.

Early Christianity spread from city to city in the Hellenized Roman Empire and beyond into East Africa and South Asia. Apostles traveled extensively, establishing communities in major cities and regions throughout the Empire. The original church communities were founded by apostles (see Apostolic see) and numerous other Christians soldiers, merchants, and preachers[43] in northern Africa, Asia Minor, Armenia, Arabia, Greece, and other places.[44][45][46] Over 40 were established by the year 100,[44][46] many in Asia Minor, such as the seven churches of Asia. By the end of the 1st century, Christianity had already spread to Greece and Italy, some say as far as India, serving as foundations for the expansive spread of Christianity throughout the world.

The Roman Empire began to disintegrate in the late 4th and early 5th century as invasions overwhelmed the capacity of the Empire to govern and mount a coordinated defense. Most chronologies place the end of the Western Roman empire in 476.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 03:31 AM

"I certainly have deplored clerical abuse and do so again now."
No you haven't, and you aren't now - you are paying mealy-mouthed lip-service as have always done - sort of like saying that the only crime Israel ever committed is to knock over olive trees.
As I said, you are perfectly able to put up evidence that what I have said is untrue - you won't, because it doesn't exist.
And please stop your deluge of crocodile tears - Britain is having enough trouble with flooding as it is.
You have never displayed a streak of humanity in any of your postings - the only feelings you appear to have is the obsessive hatred of Muslims and your undying love for the establishment.
Now - tell us again about governments having the right to destroy communities and cultures and move people to wherever they choose in or order to make room for the real Israelis - it turns me on every time you say it!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 04:26 AM

As I said, you are perfectly able to put up evidence that what I have said is untrue - you won't, because it doesn't exist

I did, and you rejected it as "mealy-mouthed lip-service" !!

the only feelings you appear to have is the obsessive hatred of Muslims
That is an evil, wicked lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 05:52 AM

"I did, and you rejected it as "mealy-mouthed lip-service" !!"
It wasn't condemnation - it was what mealy-mouthed lip service I said just as above
To declare abhorrence of abuse that has been going on probably for at least a century it is not to condemn it - that's exactly what the church hierarchy have done - they helped to cover it up and some of them even participated in it - now they "abhor" it and have said so publicly (not their own part in it, mind) - that is being mealy-mouthed
You have not only refused to participate in discussion of clerical abuse and its causes, you have denied its significance 'they can always piss off and live somewhere else', and you have done your level best to see it is not discussed on a thread entitles "Christian persecution" - you have demanded to be allowed to present Christians as victims and attempted to hide their own persecution of both their own and other religions.
You've once again attempted to make this another of your Muslim-hate threads - not this ****** time boyo.
You mention your starting your Homs thread - you wept and wailed (as you do) over the fate of the citizens of Homs, defend Assad being sold the sniper bullets that were use to train the snipers and crown it by proposing he be sold riot equipment to subdue opposition, being fully aware that his opponents (an estimated 17,000 of them) have 'disappeared from his prisons and torture chambers and god knows how many are still in there receiving the treatment.
You then went from glory to glory by defending Britain's sale of chemicals to Assad which could have been used to amass the massive arsenal of weapons the world is now being asked to foot the bill for to help him get rid of them
You are one sick chick, you really are - luckily you are not bright eough to cover up that fact
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 06:27 AM

"Abhorrence" is extreme condemnation Jim.

You have not only refused to participate in discussion of clerical abuse and its causes, you have denied its significance

Completely untrue.
I only refused to participate on this, the one and only thread about religious persecution.
You only want to turn this into another clerical abuse thread because you do not want persecution discussed.

you wept and wailed (as you do) over the fate of the citizens of Homs,

True. Sorry. It is compassion. You would not understand.

defend Assad being sold the sniper bullets

Not true.
I was against the arming of Assad, the overwhelming majority of which came from your old mates Russia, China and Iran so you had to make an issue out of the non-issue of Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 04:04 AM

I will not post any more reports to show that the subject of this thread is a real issue and that caring about it does not make me a bigot, racist etc.
Last one.

"WASHINGTON, Feb. 11, 2014 /Standard Newswire/ -- The largely underreported assaults on the religious freedoms of Christians around the globe were the topic of a congressional hearing Tuesday chaired by U.S. Rep. Chris Smith (NJ-04), Chairman of the House congressional panel that oversees global human rights issues.

"This subcommittee has and will continue to highlight the suffering of religious minorities around the globe, be they Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan, Ba'hai in Iran, Buddhists in occupied Tibet, Yazidis in Iraq or the Muslim Royhinga people in Burma," Smith said. "Christians, however, remain the most persecuted religious group the world over, and thus deserve the special attention that today's hearing will give them. As one of today's witnesses, the distinguished journalist John Allen has written: 'Christians today indisputably are the most persecuted religious body on the planet, and too often their martyrs suffer in silence.'"
http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/621089002.html

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket once more into the britches
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 06:19 AM

Christian persecution.

A rather harrowing account of it in the papers at present.

People calling themselves Christians murdering and raping Muslim communities in CAR.

There again Keith can't find accounts of things happening in Africa.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 06:48 AM

I am well aware of it and it is monstrous.
We have discussed here what led to it.
They had coexisted peacefully for decades.

I could not find the atrocity in Nigeria that you posted about because it never happened.
You made it up, which was a very sick thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 12:26 PM

Wow.

So.. None of the ones you lick your bloody chops over peacefully existed before?

So.. If I or anyone else repeats something we read or hear on the news, we are doing sick things if you don't know about it?

Have you tried seeing a doctor? Psychiatric referrals aren't that difficult you know. Although, only ask if you are genuine. Don't bother if you are just a nasty person who loves smearing others. There is no hope for those people. They usually find comfort by joining far right groups instead.

Prat.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 12:39 PM

Musket, I fully accept that in CAR now there is persecution of Muslims by Christians.
I always acknowledged that Christians were capable of it, it is just that this is the first current example that has emerged.
It follows massacres of Christians there where previously there had been peaceful coexistence.

You did not hear that made up atrocity on BBC radio as you claimed.
Others, including me, would have heard and remembered it.
The report would still be on the BBC news site, and others would have picked it up.

It is not reported by any news agency.
It never happened.
A sick lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 04:05 AM

I said I would not do it again, but this changed my mind.
It is as horrific as the massacre made up by Musket, but it is sadly all too true.

Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown yesterday,

"When courageous Malala Yousafzai was shot, 5 million men, women and children signed petitions calling for every girl in Pakistan to have the chance to go school.

But this week the world remained silent when 40 schoolchildren were shot and then burnt to death in a school in north east Nigeria. The incident was nothing less than a massacre of the innocents.

This latest attack, perpetrated by Boko Haram, brings the number of people murdered in the last month by the terrorist group to 300. Many were children targeted simply for going to school.

President Jonathan called the attack "a callous and senseless murder by deranged terrorists and fanatics who have clearly lost all human morality and descended to bestiality." US Secretary of State John Kerry has condemned "unspeakable acts of terror." Malala herself has spoken out for Nigerian children murdered when they are at school.

But so far there has been scant global reaction."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gordon-brown/a-senseless-massacre-of-i_b_4866860.html

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 04:19 AM

A list of massacres in Nigeria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Nigeria

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 06:55 PM

dangerous to attend church, dangerous to attend school. it is hard to see what bakas hopes for. I suppose a fearful, impoverished country that they can control.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 04:07 AM

Anti-Christian bigots may use offensive posts to get this thread closed.
Please delete the posts instead.

This year is the centenary of the genocide of Armenians, a Christian minority in Turkey.
It started in April.

The head of the Anglican Church will today decry the persecution and murder of Christians now.

On Friday, the Vatican spoke,

BBC,

Pope Francis has condemned the "complicit silence" about the killing of Christians during a Good Friday service in Rome.

Among the cross bearers were Syrian and Iraqi refugees, and Nigerians who had escaped Boko Haram persecution.

The service came a day after almost 150 people were killed in an al-Shabab attack on a Kenyan university.
"We still see today our persecuted brothers, decapitated and crucified for their faith in you [Jesus], before our eyes and often with our complicit silence," Pope Francis said, presiding over the ceremony at the Colosseum.

In St Peter's Basilica, the Pope prayed prostrated on the floor
Earlier, he condemned the attack in Kenya, where Christians were singled out and shot, as an act of "senseless brutality".
In another Good Friday ceremony, Pope Francis listened as the Vatican's official preacher Raniero Cantalamessa denounced the "disturbing indifference of world institutions in the face of all this killing of Christians".
He too mentioned the Kenya attack, as well as the beheading of 22 Egyptian Coptic Christians by Islamic State (IS) militants in Libya in February.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 04:35 AM

What an extraordinary way of starting a post? Who are these bigots Keith? Any chance of providing a link to where they post? Religious bigotry is usually by religious bigots if memory serves me well.

On the subject of church leaders cashing in on terror to make them look important, I notice the following;

Religious leaders inspire terrorists to do their wicked deeds by saying they will be martyrs. Interestingly, both the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury are calling the victims of religious terrorists martyrs, which is no better than the other religious leaders inspiring terrorists.

Nobody died for their religion in any of the recent attacks. They died for the religion of the criminals who killed them. To call them Christian martyrs is as obscene as using their relatives and friends grief as an advert for silencing critics, or persecution as they wrongly and disturbingly call comment from rational people.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 05:44 AM

"the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury are calling the victims of religious terrorists martyrs, which is no better than the other religious leaders inspiring terrorists."
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To reply in moderate terms, this is a matter of opinion, & I consider your opinion here entirely mistaken, Musket. It is, for a start, self-evidently hyperbolical and overstated; and also inaccurate: in several instances, as I read it, each member of a group was asked to identify his religion: those replying Muslim were left alone, but the Christians affirmed that that was what they were, despite it being obvious that the stinking mob asking the question was going to kill them for their answer. Is that not martyrdom in your book? If not, how would you define it?

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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 06:03 AM

For starters you are referring to one or two of the atrocities mentioned by church leaders. Bombs don't discriminate and neither do most of the gunmen.. For a second, I very much doubt that anybody felt their answer was going to make them a martyr, (get nurse to read the definition of martyr to you) and thirdly, for irresponsible church leaders to call them martyrs makes perverse sense to the terrorists and from their warped perspective, justifies and exacerbates their idea of a holy war, or jihad as it is referred.

As I said, nobody died for their beliefs, they died for the belief of the blokes with the guns.

Meanwhile, it is being hijacked as we type by churches using it as an excuse to say that criticising the church is persecution.

Pathetic, abhorrent and disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 06:32 AM

"Anti-Christian bigots may use offensive posts to get this thread closed."
I hope this stateent puts the kiss of death on this thread
This sort of antagonism is obviously designed to provoke a hostile response
Can the forum fairies please put a stop to this troll
Happy Easter all!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 08:20 AM

The "nurse" joke might have subsumed a certain wit once, but has IMO got somewhat tedious.

You gain another credit towards your degree in the Miss·The·Point Tripos,, Whichever·Popgun·Is·On·Today.

Happy Easter

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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 08:59 AM

I doubt I did miss any point.

Condemning violence is commendable and expected. After all, Church leaders impress lots of people, but the inference that it is holy death is just plain sick. It is a being in the wrong place at the wrong time death. The religion of the murderer is the factor, not the religion of the victim.

There is a huge difference between persecuting someone for what they are and persecuting them for what they aren't.

Those people died for not being Muslims. The Anglican church persecuted gays for being gay. An assertive versus passive argument.

When the shopping mall murders took place, people were asked if they were Muslim and tested in their knowledge. Welby piped up that some of the dead were killed for being Christian when even he had to later admit that they were killed for not being Muslim. A huge difference..