My apologies to everyone on this forum.

Subject: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:05 PM

My apologies for all the threads relating to Celtic Woman. I am new to forums and wasnt aware I was doing anything wrong. I just wanted to give fans a chance to talk about specific performers from CW without interfering with other threads of different subjects. Again, sorry if I wasted anyones time (especially with the thread removal, renaming, etc), and I hope I didn't cause too much grief for anyone. P.S. You seem like a really knowledgable group, and take this forum very seriously. Hopefully, I will learn much here. Have a great night !!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:07 PM

Okey-cokey, no probs, stay,learn,enjoy!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:09 PM

And why not JOIN ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:09 PM

Thanks, and to Joe, sorry I created so much work for you. Oh well, I guess it must have had at least a 'little' entertainment value for you guys. :)

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:15 PM

Yes. Just as you said it.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:19 PM

Hi, AWG
There's nothing at all wrong with talking about the Celtic Women. I like them myself - but there's no need to start a separate thread for each of several interrelated topics, and doing so is seen as obnoxious.

And I'm trying to consolidate all the stuff into one thread, and it's primetime here in California and I have a slow Internet connection, so this does not make Joe a happy camper.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:26 PM

Jeez Joe,sorry again. I guess Im used to a fan site where each performer in a group has his or her own 'cheering section' so to speak. If you like, just delete the whole thing, as there is already a thread for CW reviews. It may save quite some time.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:43 PM

Anyone who is actually ready to say sorry for a mistake would make a very welcome addition to the Mudcat. Join!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:50 PM

I agree, Kevin. Come on in, AWG! No pain, no gain. (Just try not to speak to us thru a filter, eh?-- BG)

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:58 PM

Ill join, and promise not to talk TOO much about CW ( I mean, Ill stop when everyone admits they are a fan LOL). I dont know what you mean by 'through a filter'. (rookies, eh??)

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:05 PM

AWG-

Be warned that you may soon be tempted to talk about things you know nothing about like the rest of us.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:08 PM

Hmmmm.....where to start? Who wants to talk about the Celtic Woman tour bus ? Just kidding.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:09 PM

Charley - I NEVER talk about things I Know nothing about - Do I ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:21 PM

Awg, up at the top of the page you will see a link in blue that says MEMEBERSHIP. Click on that and pick a username and join us. that way you can use our chat function and get Private messages.

New users make mistakes of ettiquette. No biggie. They get sorted out.

Because Mudcat has been around for years, you will likely find that almost every topic you can think of has been discussed at length at least once. Therefore, before opening a new thread, just make some attempt to use the search function to find the older thread. EVen then, the search engine doesn't work 100%, so if you do create a duplicate thread, don't worry. Someone will catch it. members just appreciate it if you search first. One reason for doing this is that you may find your quetion answered and you may also find that the discussion you uncover is a lively one you wish to join!

Relax and jump in, the water's fine!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:22 PM

[Im]Pertinent comments from the other threads will be [re]moved

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:24 PM

Thanks alot. P.S. You mean I might find discussions as 'lively' as some of the ones about Celtic Woman Ive seen thus far ?? LOL

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:31 PM

Hello, the world's no.1 Celtic Woman fan is in the building ! I am now an official member (I think). Should be fun ! By the way, I have a pretty diverse musical taste, its not ALL about CW. LOL

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:39 PM

For you, AWG. Have a nice day. (That's a youtube video.)

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:42 PM

Oh dear....LOL. Ve haf created a monster.... Smile. Welcome to the zoo, AWG.

By a filter, I meant one of the comments on the other threads...that the sound/voices sound like they have been sent thru a filter, etc. Not at all sure just where it was. I guess I could call it the 'Enya Sound' if I shan't get stoned for that.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:42 PM

You too, thanks Peace. I wonder if CW could do any BTO ? Night.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:46 PM

Jeeper AWG

I'm still OTT about certain comic books, fishing reels and stringed instruments.

Just another Fan Boy Geek.

Don "The Snob" Meixner

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:52 PM

No.1 CW Fan signing out, gotta go listen to my 'A New Journey' DVD.... G'night. (its been memorable, thats for sure) :)

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:10 PM

Said it once... and said it before. "The gypsies have over-run the palace"....and the barriers should have been in place in 1994.

Welcum AWG

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

PLEASE - stay in the "Flan Sights".... you are just adding another twirl to the swirl.... a once GREAT resource sells out to Ad-Hits.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:10 PM

Try the BS threads, Oggy! They'll put you through your paces.
Cheers
Anon.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:26 PM

Well, that piece of porn spam didn't take long!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:27 PM

Noted on the Help thread.

And zapped by the Fat Clone asap

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 11:13 PM

Never apologize on a music thread. Do what you want. (Watch this get zapped) I don't like rules!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 11:23 PM

Welcome AWG! So glad you joined us. So, in addition to Celtic Women, who do you like?

Are you a big Clannad fan? I was listening to Clannad a lot in college (1982) and my suite-mates hated me for it. "Turn off that Irish Crap" was a frequent insult. Half-way thru freshman year i got tired of it and moved my Irish ass to a suite full of music majors and we stayed together for almost the next 3 1/2 years - only one member defected and that was to study in London.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,.gargoyl
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 11:52 PM

WBJMOG!!!

Don't exactly know what I did -

But given the double deleate - and the responce before....Dear Maxy let me do it again.

Sincerely
Gargoyle

There are lots of whores on the boards promoting their man....validate the Celtic Women Band with three specific FACTUAL reasons WHY they should be considered for posting into a Tradition AMERICAN Folk/Blues Forum.

Need a template? Above is a beginning.

Come on clones meet, establish a a SOLID philosophy - and flush the crappola.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Wordsmith
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:04 AM

Welcome, AWG, I'm relatively new here, too. My tastes are also eclectic. If you ever need to commiserate, PM me...as in Personal Message. I like the Celtic Women, too, but watch the Enya comments up there. Unless I'm mistaken, and I usually am, didn't she originate the Orinoco Flow?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:10 AM

Find your PMs yet? Welcome to Mudcat!

Don't forget to glance through the FAQ to see what's generally in it, for when you need it.

~Susan

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:38 PM

Welcome.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:45 PM

Hey Jim Lad, I was wondering when you would show up. I was actually GUEST,WG on the thread about 'lip-synching, art or rip off', when I first came to this forum. (and I said those who thought CW was lip-synching were 'brutal') LOL. I still think that, but I admit that I have seen some editing glitches on both DVD's, however, that isnt lip-synch, or miming as some call it. I would love to see a live show so I can put this topic to rest once and for all (at least I would know the truth for sure), but with regards to the DVD from Slane Castle, I have watched the PBS show at least 25 times, and the DVD as many times, (I do have a life, it just winds me down at the end of the day LOL), and can tell people 100% there is NO lip-synching on the DVD. Editing issues, yes, but no lip-synching. If someone has seen something suspicious on the DVD then please by all means let me know, as I would love to see it. Bye for now.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Balsto da Loteya
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:08 PM

Welcome new member AWG. Us older
Mudcatters like to make you people feel at home. So, you would like to meet a Celtic Woman? You come to Dirty Gertie's in Viana do Castelo, we see what we can find for you.You bring your tipper, maybe you have a little diddle on someone's bodhran?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:12 PM

Wow, I dont know what to say...since the only word I recognized in that last sentence was 'bodhran'. LOL

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: jeffp
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:29 PM

Welcome, AWG. And since nobody else has said it yet, ignore Gargoyle. He has issues.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:37 PM

To Dave's Wife, I like 'The Backstreet Boys','N-Sync', and 'Brittney Spears'. Well, not quite as much as I used to, Im 44 now. For the last year or so, I mostly listen to 'The Irish Rovers' or 'The Rovers' as some know them by, and 'Gaelic Storm'. You know, the 'traditional' Irish fare.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 02:21 PM

"Well, not quite as much as I used to, Im 44 now."

Huh. Just a kid. That explains it. You like the Dixie Chicks? That is a trick question because there is only one right answer.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 02:36 PM

They changed their name to "The Rovers" to coincide with the "Coulda Been the Whisky" release. An unsuccessful attempt to cross over into mainstream music.
Let this thread die now, AWG. Every time you submit to it, you succeed in bringing it back to the top again. You'll be apologizing for a month at this rate.
HAPPY GOOD FRIDAY to all of you.
From the warm & sunny Highlands
Cheers
Jim

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: growler
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 05:26 PM

I used to be 44, welcome AWG

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:28 PM

Hey Jim, I apologize. What am I apologizing for exactly ???

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:31 PM

You SHOULD be apologizing for not answering my question. Piss on ya then. Welcome to the 'cat, BTW.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:33 PM

Hello Peace, what was the question again ?? GDay.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:10 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:30 PM

This has turned into the world's longest apology !!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:33 PM

Not yet it hasn't. One more time: "Do you or do you not like the Dixie Chicks?"

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:38 PM

Or formerly known as 'The Dixie Chickens' ? Sure, who doesn't??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:41 PM

Thank you. We are gonna get along just fine.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:42 PM

Only if you admit you love Celtic Woman ..........*** AWG tapping foot impatiently ***

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:45 PM

You bet.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:51 PM

That was only a joke, I NEVER liked Backstreet Boys, N-Sync, or Brittney Spears.....NEVER !! I do like Dixie Chickens, though. And also Celtic Woman. Did I ever mention I like CW ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 10:29 PM

Can we please stay on topic, DeamonDvdfann. Now where were we ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:09 PM

I love the Dixie Chicks. Ms. Lass (she kept her maiden name) turned me on to them a long time ago. Extremely talented. Same with Alison Krauss. Probably the most talented artist in Amerikay. Sweet! Got me interested in a whole different style of music.
You may want to check Jen Syget out, also.
Yes: Stay on topic Oggy! You were apologizing, I think.
Gargoyle: Check your sugar.

The saddest day of the Christian year is almost over.
Have a glorious week-end yous all!
Cheers
Jim

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:42 AM

Oh yeah, thanks Jim Lad. Might be time to put this thread to rest with this final comment... Glad to be here !!!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:59 PM

AWG, I don't see that you did anything wrong. A lot of people over-reacted in a nonsensical way. You don't owe anyone any apology.

They should apologize to you for being so narrow-minded, "folkier than thou" and I think rude. You were expressing your enthusiasm for what I consider to be a great music group and I agree with that. I see no reason why that enthusiam should be squelched or censored.
To those who object to this, I say "get a life".

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 04:07 PM

So you wanna ap9ologize, eh? Okay...I will axcept yer flippin' apology on these 3 condishuns:

1. You send me a free 2-4 of beer. Molson's Export will do.

2. You send me a handwriten and sined apology to Shane McBride, General Delivery, Blind River, Ontario, Canada.

3. You come here in person, get down on yer flippin' knees, beg fer my forgivness, and kiss my hand.

- Shane

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 05:10 PM

Might be time to put this thread to rest with this final comment... Glad to be here !!! AWG - did you really think you'd escape that easily?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Bert
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 07:00 PM

Welcome aboard AWG.

There's a pretty good crowd here so you don't have to apologise too much, 'cos we all make mistakes too (except me of course, I'm right ALL the time).

And don't worry about Gargoyle, he's a pretty good guy too. He just pretends that he isn't.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 08:57 PM

Hey Shane, can I just bring you a sheep instead ?? Eanjay, not really LOL.   Frank, thank you for being a refreshing voice of reason (nice to meet fellow CW fan also), Bert, love the crowd, lots of emotion. P.S. I thought Gargoyle was 'the dog's bollox', ...wait, that might have been someone else LOL.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 07:58 PM

AWG, you're welcome but I must tell you that you lost me on the other thread when you went off onto your economic rant.

" There are plenty of jobs available in the USA, its just that people don't want to work for $8.00 per hour. Why not ? Its easier to sit around all day drinking beer and smoking cigarettes and collect a handout courtesy of Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer."

In the US today, $8.00 per hour is not a living wage. Drinking beer and smoking cigarettes may be the only pleasure that poor people can find in today's economy. I don't do those or like to be around it but I certainly understand why poor people need to distract themselves from the menial service jobs they are forced to take when they've lost their industrial jobs that used to pay higher when unions were strong and before the traitorous corporations went off-shore. The tremendous drain on the taxpayer has more to do with this disastrous occupation of Iraq, the corporate welfare where the rich get off scot-free without having to pay taxes, and the "handout" that you describe is the word used by corporate America gutting the Federal Government that could help the country get back on its feet by revitalizing cities like New Orleans and funding our public schools instead of trying to destroy them.


" Haven't you noticed, no matter how 'poor' some people are, they always have money for booze and smokes ??

I have noticed that much of the money that you are talking about is not available to do much else. Kids today on the streets of major cities find that they move into the drug trade because they can make a living wage that way. I have noticed that the drug trade supported by Afghan warlords and possibly the CIA has found a market in the wealthy abusers in the US.

I have noticed that the wealthy cigarette companies have lied and created the addiction that you deplore. I have noticed that the rich in the US are poor in generosity with CEO's ruining their companies by taking home disgustingly huge paychecks and robbing their employees blind. I have noticed that faith-based initiatives have done nothing to alleviate the suffering that goes on in the US poorer communities.


"The sooner people give up the bleeding-heart B.S. and stop treating poor people like invalids only capable of a handout, the sooner the USA will pull out of it's obvious downward spiral."

The sooner corporate-financed businesses start honoring the working-class unions, the sooner there is more of a level playing field for the opportunities for poor people, the sooner that the callous indifference toward the poor and the condemnation by the wealthy neo-cons and selfish Libertarians using terms like "bleeding heart BS" cease, the sooner
that those who are more fortunate realize that they stand to make their country better by serving "the least amoung us" (to quote a Christian bromide), the sooner our country can get back on its feet and will not continue the downward spiral.

AWG, I hope with your attitude that you are not the Average White Guy. If so, our country is sunk. Please don't apologize for loving the CW. But you might want to think about your propaganda about something you know nothing about, the working poor. There, an apology is in order.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 08:10 PM

Thank you, Frank. NO ONE in the country gets more governmental handouts than do our wealthy. 'Welfare queens' with their Aid to Children money are so far down the list of what subsidies cost the American taxpayer that the two are unrecognizable as being the same critter.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:26 PM

And I work for $5.15/hr. Glad to have it too. The middle class and the poor don't get real tax cuts. What a joke.

Send me some of what you are smoking.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:29 PM

Frank, Im disappointed in how naive you seem to be. No offense, seriously, but you aren't in touch with current events. Let me quote you if I may...'The sooner corporate-financed businesses start honoring the working-class unions, the sooner there is more of a level playing field for the opportunities for poor people, .... What the heck does that mean ?? What is a
corporate-financed business ?? ..... about booze and smokes...' I don't do those or like to be around it but I certainly understand why poor people need to distract themselves from the menial service jobs they are forced to take when they've lost their industrial jobs that used to pay higher when unions were strong and before the traitorous corporations went off-shore' ..... There you go, they choose to drink and buy smokes. And that is the taxpayer's problem how??? And I will never apologize for loving Celtic Woman. Your arguements are like a piece of swiss cheese. (enough said).

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 11:08 PM

ptui

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 11:48 PM

Well said, Frank!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:57 AM

AWG - I'm sorry you're such a waste of time, too. Your sorry, I'm sorry, we're all sorry.

Go eat some worms.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM

To quote Dianavan....'Go eat some worms'.   How old are you ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:50 AM

No smoking, no caffeine, no trans fat, no illegal plant use, no unions and NO INFLAMATORY SPEECH as proscribed by law.

Now get back in line and OBEY

or you will force us to contact Homeland Security.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:46 PM

My first reaction, reading this thread, was to be surprised by the unwelcoming tone of the post from Joe, who seems to grow more self-important by the day.

But thanks to Frank Hamilton and (in another thread) Barry Finn, I have lost sympathy for this new member.

AWG should try to get hold of last week's edition of the Economist - one of the world's best informed and most comprehensive champions of capitalism. It has a wonderful article about the dollar. Makes the point that each and every greenback is actually worthless, as there are no reserves to back it up. Instead there is a debt in excess of $800 trillion, and growing. The only reason the dollar survives as a global currency is because it is the currency of oil. Yet now even that is under threat. OK, when Saddam started trading oil in euros his country was trashed by American bombs within months. But the US has not been able to stop Russia trading oil in roubles and euros. Nor can it stop countries like Iran, Venezuela and others which are now planning to switch to the euro.

The cause of the looming crisis is the Bush admin's one-card trick of fuelling growth by pandering to the rich, regardless of spiralling debt. And that can't go on for ever, as many of the spenders are themselves now at the limit of their debt, as revealed in the recent mortgages panic. Meanwhile the gap between rich and poor grows ever wider, threatening social stability and requiring colossal prison capacity - prison walls providing the wall that is needed to protect the obscenely rich from the desperately poor.

AWG is in cloud-cuckoo land in believing that the poor can reverse all this with honest hard work. Sure a few will be lucky enough to work their way out of poverty despite the colossal disadvantages in their path. And my god, how those few examples will be trumpeted by the AWGs of this world. But there is simply no way that ALL the millions of deprived people, or even a significant proportion of them, can work their way out of poverty - there is simply not enough wealth to go round. Pretending otherwise is exactly the same con as the pyramid-selling trick. So blatant that pyramid selling is illegal in many countries.

And yes, AWG, I read threads before posting to them. Partly it's a courtesy, but mostly it's just common sense.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:21 PM

To quote Peter K,... 'But there is simply no way that ALL the millions of deprived people, or even a significant proportion of them, can work their way out of poverty - there is simply not enough wealth to go round'... and YOUR solution is .....?? Give more handouts perhaps, get that debt you worry so much about a little bigger ?? And by the way, Bush is fuelling growth with his war-machine. As soon as the war stops, fiscal problems will start to really hit home, if you will. And how, Mr. economist, does catering to the rich equate to hindering the efforts of the poor? Maybe Mr.Economist should start looking at the examples of countries like Canada , where poverty is practically nill, and our economy is the only one in the G7 sporting a fiscal surplus. How do we do it, I ask ?? Something to ponder...

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: pdq
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:36 PM

"each and every greenback is actually worthless, as there are no reserves to back it up. Instead there is a debt in excess of $800 trillion, and growing"

That is truly absurd. The entire planet Earth is not worth that amount of money.

"there is simply no way that ALL the millions of deprived people, or even a significant proportion of them, can work their way out of poverty - there is simply not enough wealth to go round"

Then why do Socialists keep telling us that we need to seize the wealth of the rich and divide it among the poor, assuming that those two groups really exist.

In the US, we have always had a vast middle class with people moving freely up to "wealthy" and down to "poor". The Old World's economic system locked people in one place, resulting in seven generations of cobblers or carpenters. Here, a carpenters son becomes a contractor and his son becomes the owner of a major company is house construction. The US cannot always be judged by eyes that have only seen the European model.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:42 PM

"How do we do it, I ask ??"

Does the phrase "universal health care" come to mind?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:45 PM

I don't think there was anything chicken about the Dixie Chicks stating they were embarassed that GWB was from their home state. I would be, too. It is bad enough that RM Nixon was from just up the coast from here. Bush is enough to embarass anyone, most of all anyone who voted for him. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "What was I thinking" in one or another form lately. But, alas, schadenfreude is no satisfaction.


A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:08 PM

"like Canada , where poverty is practically nill"

Are you living in the Canada that's just north of the USA and south of the North Pole? I live in that one, and indeed poverty does exist here and we have a problem with it. If those idiots at the Fraser Institute are who you are listening to (they deem $15,000 yearly as sufficient income for a family of four), then maybe we don't. But Canucks themselves figure $26,000 is more realistic) then hell, there's no problem here.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:38 PM

Universal health care is paid for by the taxpayers, we are one of the highest taxed countries on earth. But heathcare doesn't put food in people's mouths, and neither does going to war with whatever country The USA deems 'the flavour of the month'. If the US government took all the money they spend 'bullying' other countries around as they see fit, and re-directed that money to feed, clothe, and shelter the poor, there wouldn't be an economically poor person in the entire US of A. Solution may be simpler than people realize, however 'unrealistic' it may be. You see, here in Canada, we don't spend all the taxpayer's money to go to war, (although Im certainly not saying that money doesnt get 'wasted' in other ways from time to time), it gets spent creating wealth and jobs for all Canadians in the form of education grants, grants for starting businesses, encouragement to get off welfare and putting less reliance on social assistance. We do have subsidized daycare, and women on mother's allowance are given opportunities to get free education, along with subsidized housing. In this country, poor people are given encouragement and opportunity for self-improvement, not simply handouts and pity.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:50 PM

Let's do the math, shall we ??


   1) Apartment...................$ 750 per month

   2) Food........ ...............$ 500 per month (2 adults, 2 children)

   3) Transportation............. $ 350 per month

   4) Expenses for 2 children.... $ 250 per month

   5) Etc........................ $ 250 per month

      
Which totals $2100 per month, or approx $525 per week, or $13 per hour.   There you go. Get a partime job in the evening if you have to.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:51 PM

"You see, here in Canada, we don't spend all the taxpayer's money to go to war,..." Foam

From an analyst on Fox News: "See, the Canadians don't believe in spending money on an army. What's the point? The Americans are going to defend the continent anyway. Let the dumb Americans pay for it."

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:58 PM

Let's not do the math, AWG. Let's consider people as people. You and I will never agree on this issue. However, I no longer wish to try finding common ground with you. I'd rather just say goodbye. I do not like your attitude to do with the poor. I find it less than compassionate. And if you have no use for people who have hit hard times for one reason or other, then frankly I have no use for anymore conversation with you. Take care.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:03 PM

As Ebbie pointed out...."From an analyst on Fox News: "See, the Canadians don't believe in spending money on an army. What's the point? The Americans are going to defend the continent anyway. Let the dumb Americans pay for it."..... Not sure if that statement is entirely true, but we don't place military spending at the top of the priority list, like the USA. Admit it or not, Canada puts great emphasis on reducing poverty, not just sweeping it under the rug. Thats one reason people flock here from all over the world.(that's another issue, perhaps a new thread is in order). Its a prosperous country, with less emphasis on 'rich vs poor', everyone is equal.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:06 PM

Ebbie: FOX NEWS?

BTW, Canada couldn't even begin to compete with the USA which spent over 50% of the whole world's budget on its military and their doings. That is, it spent more than all other countries in the world combined. Canada's approximately one billion dollar expenditure pales in comparison.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:08 PM

Take care Peace, Im sure you won't have difficulty finding others who share your vision of a 'fantasy world' where we just snap our fingers and everyone is happy and rich.   Good Luck to you. By the way, by your attitude I take it you don't work?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:12 PM

*G*, Peace. I went looking for stats on what Canada spends on its military and came across this unpleasant man - John Gibson, of Fox- who was on a rant.

Seriously, however, apparently Canada is not addressing the 'what ifs'- another (Canadian) link talked about fire fighters in Canada being the front line of defense in the country (Take a bow, Peace) but says that in the event of a disaster, whether natural, biological, or nuclear, Canada is not prepared, that it would take hours if not days for effective response.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:13 PM

AWG - can't you see how you're contradicting yourself? On the one hand, you decry any kind of government help for the poor, then in your praise of Canada, you approvingly list a series of ways that Canadian governments help the poor. You're being completing inconsistent. You're just not making sense.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:14 PM

To quote Peace...."ABTW, Canada couldn't even begin to compete with the USA which spent over 50% of the whole world's budget on its military and their doings. That is, it spent more than all other countries in the world combined. Canada's approximately one billion dollar expenditure pales in comparison"..... Who said Canada is 'competing' with the USA. Heck, nobody could compete with that budget ! Im not even sure what that point is supposed to mean. Were talking about poverty, not the war machine.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:18 PM

Sorry Guest,meself, I should have been more clear. I only oppose government subsidies when they can afford it, (clearly not the case in the USA), Canada CAN afford it, like I stated before, were the only G7 nation with a constant fiscal surplus, year after year. That's all I meant. No contradictions. I wish the USA could afford to better help the poor, but that clearly isn't the case at the moment. That is why I am suggesting the poor make more efforts to help themselves. It's only common sense.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:20 PM

I only oppose government subsidies when they can afford it,             Sorry, I meant CAN'T afford it, not can.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:22 PM

Ebbie: We have been told something similar. My first question was "Where are the Class A Hazmat suits and the Class A Biological suits?" Well, uh, well, . . .

An average small disaster takes hours to get organized--say a tornado or small flood. Make it something big--bio/chemical attack, and essential emergency services would be overwhelmed in less than 12 hours. We'll do what we can, but I expect the losses will be very high in the 'civilian' population as well as the emergency services population.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:34 PM

"By the way, by your attitude I take it you don't work? "

You can tell that by my attitude, huh? Fuckin' amazing.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:42 PM

Youre not allowed to use such language, and what do chemical spills have to do with poverty ?? P.S. Was I right ?? I was, wasn't I ??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:46 PM

I think Peace should start his own thread and call it "My apologies to everyone for using foul language, which is what I do when I don't know how to discuss something intelligently'. Now, where were we...?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:51 PM

Yes, AWG is a constant contradiction. That way AWG can argue with whatever opinion is being put forward. AWG doesn't speak for all of Canada, thats for sure.

In your AGW's little minimum wage budget you forgot a few things like medical premiums, dentist, laundry, household cleaners, furniture, small appliances, clothing and recreation. Oh, and don't forget tax. In my town, $750.00 gets you a decent studio apt. A three bedroom rents for about $1200.00, if you can find it. AGW's budget represents a child's view of life. Maybe someone would pay attention if the estimates were broken down to reflect reality.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 03:53 PM

"Youre not allowed to use such language, and what do chemical spills have to do with poverty ??"

If your head wasn't so far up your rear end, you'd have seen that my post mentioning spills was addressed to Ebbie. You have credibility with one person on this forum, and that's Dickey. You have none with anyone else. As to my language, I could write rings around you on a bad day. As to anything about me personally, it is none of your business. Not yesterday, today or tomorrow. Please do not address me again on this forum. I will do you the same honour.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM

Hey Peace, having a bad day ? Guess not, because today you wouldn't write rings around a six year old.....And to quote Dianavan.."In your AGW's little minimum wage budget you forgot a few things like medical premiums, dentist, laundry, household cleaners, furniture, small appliances, clothing and recreation. Oh, and don't forget tax. In my town, $750.00 gets you a decent studio apt. A three bedroom rents for about $1200.00, if you can find it. AGW's budget represents a child's view of life. Maybe someone would pay attention if the estimates were broken down to reflect reality. "........ Here's reality for you, medical premiums are government paid, the rest comes under etc. Household cleaners?...How much is a box of soap?? Furniture, ever heard of Buy, trade and sell?? Most apartments come with appliances. People earning that much pay very little tax, and get GST and Federal tax credits to help offset......As far as having credibility with Dickie, that's great, from what Ive read, he seems to have a grip on the issues, and speaks clearly and intelligently, without foul language and name calling. Try it sometime.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:06 PM

For the last time, drop dead!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:09 PM

BTW, the best way to handle someone like you on a forum of this nature is to completely and totally ignore you. That is something I will do from now on. I will not dignify any post you make by reading it. You will be in for some long conversations with yourself and your friend. I hope the two of you have a good time.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:19 PM

AWG:

No you did not guess right, and in trying to do so in such an uncharitable and condescending manner you have revealed the seamy side of your own nature. As for writing rings, I assure you you are suggesting a pissing contest which would drown you in the first round. I recommend a dose of humble pie and some salts.


A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:22 PM

To quote you Peace..."Please do not address me again on this forum. I will do you the same honour". That lasted long, didn't it ? The very next post, you were addressing me again. Anyhow, its obvious you are incapable of a civil, intelligent comversation about a serious (at least 'I' think so) issue, so maybe check back when you ARE capable. Thank you.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:04 PM

AWG:

You are twice mistaken, do not know with whom you are dealing, and are making of yourself ye monkey. Take a deep breath and relax -- you have no need for a fire fight, and least of all with a decent, intelligent and competent being like Peace. I promise.

A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,Thank you
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:12 PM

Everybody is fair game to AWG - it's a bit of sport. Thank you.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:15 PM

To quote Peace...."For the last time, drop dead!" These words come from a decent, intellegent, and competent being ?? Just another sign of the apocolypse. I say we put this thread to rest. Thank you.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:16 PM

10 to the first power

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:22 PM

AWG:

Yes, they do; but you should also recognize that your remarks have caused some ill-will, being themselves ill-considered. The remarks were not offered gratuitously -- trace your discussion back a bit and see what part of it you can take responsibility for.


A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:39 PM

I may rub some people the wrong way sometimes, but would never talk to them like that. Oh well, I can be grating sometimes, sorry Peace.(and whoever else). I have some strong views on poverty, many think I am unsympathetic, but its not the case...... Over to poverty thread, this discussion doesnt belong here.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:11 PM

OK. 'Nuff said.


A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:19 PM

You've gone too far. In another thread you professed not to know that you've pissed off anyone- well, take it from me, you've done a good job of it, and come out smelling- not like a rose - just smelling.

When you make ignorant comments about someone we know well - and you DON'T - you display only your own small-minded, laughably ill-informed, brainless persona. You say you are 44 years old? Ha. Grow up.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:26 PM

"When you make ignorant comments about someone we know well - and you DON'T - you display only your own small-minded, laughably ill-informed, brainless persona.".....You mean, like you just did?? I dont need to ask your age...I think you are just a young kid trying to cause trouble, just when everything has calmed down finally !! Off to bed you go !!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:27 PM

Ebbie you said it! but AWG you are enjoying all this aren't you?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:29 PM

Who doesn't enjoy a good laugh....courtesy of Ebbie.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: bobad
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:34 PM

♫ Oh when will they ever learn
When will they ever learn ♫

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:40 PM

AWG, just who the hell do you think you are?

The vast majority of people on this forum are likeable, knowledgeable, and very friendly and helpful to newcomers. New members, be they neophytes or long-time musicians, are very welcome and warmly received.

You've only been on this forum a short time, and in that time you've managed to alienate practically everybody except two or three people who, themselves, are very good at making themselves highly objectionable.

Grow the hell up and try to behave like a civilized human being, or get lost!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:45 PM

You can't talk to me like that....I'm telling !!   P.S '" You've only been on this forum a short time, and in that time you've managed to alienate practically everybody except two or three people who, themselves, are very good at making themselves highly objectionable.".....Who are these people ?, It's nice to know who your friends are, and since youve been on me since day 1, I can rule you out.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:49 PM

Please feel free to rule me out too - I admire and respect many of the people you obviously wish to sneer at I will be honoured to be included with them!

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:50 PM

To quote myself..."I may rub some people the wrong way sometimes, but would never talk to them like that. Oh well, I can be grating sometimes, sorry Peace.(and whoever else)."..... You just couldn't let sleeping dogs lay, could you Ebbie??

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:55 PM

What a waste of human energy. Why not let this thread fade off into the bleak sunset of cyberspace. Let it fall off into the bucket of fool's paradise.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:57 PM

I agree, let's.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 08:17 PM

Yeah??? NOt befoar I get in a flippin' word or two, eh? Hey...AWG! You are crampin' my flipp98in' style, dipwad. So flip right off you useless bolthole! I have a speshul place in this flippin' forum and you are musseling in on my spot, man. I don't flippin' stand fer that. Yer apollogy is about as useless as an air horn mounted on a flippin' dead moose. No one cares! I notised that you have not done none of the 3 things you were supposed to do in oarder to, like, get my flippin' approval. BAAAAD move, dude. You are yesterday's french fries, man. You are gettin' stale and modly even whiles I talk, eh? No one wants you. Not even yer Mom. Not even crazy Rhoda who will flip a dead dog for a dime. Don't try and apollogize to me no more, man, cos you have flippin' used up yer flippin' credit line at the Shane First Bank of Flippin' Canada. You're hystery!

- Shane

p.s. There. Now let the flippin' thred die.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 08:49 PM

Sorry Shane, there, now we can let it die...

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:32 PM

Yes, AWG, kindly rule me out. I ruled you out when you started making a total jackass of yourself, and that was right from the start.

Over and out.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:33 PM

When you stir up a hornet's nest you are not the one in charge of when the hornets calm down.

By the way, what sleeping dogs?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:40 PM

No time, dealing with 'serious' issues.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:57 PM

AWG: Tomorrow's another day. Issues can and do mess people up. Been there a few times myself. Maybe we can all go back to square one and start again. I hope so. Too many good people here gettin' pissed off, myself included (in the 'pissed off', not 'good' part).

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 10:05 PM

AWG!!!

Looking for friends - you will find me one of your supporters within this thread.

You have provided (perhaps unbegonest to you) a possible "templete"

With heart-felt encouragement - I invite you to branch-out, reach-out, stretch this in-bred cataclysm of mud-catters.

Sincerely,
Gargeoyl

Carry on good and faithful servant.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 10:33 PM

Have to say I've never seen that before. Somebody starts a thread called "My apologies to everyone on this forum"--which seems to be totally needless--since apologies weren't necessary. But then he spouts off so mindlessly that apologies are in fact necessary.

Sounds like the originator of the thread was, for some reason, desperate for attention.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 10:35 PM

"desperate for attention" just like everyone else in this thread Ron.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: AWG
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 11:00 PM

Ha Ha, good point tolerance. And you too, Ron, (I think).

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 06:55 AM

Guest "Tolerance"--

I note with interest that despite your earlier perceptive remark "What a waste of human energy." you still felt compelled to waste some more human energy--and comment again.

Fascinating.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:33 PM

Wowee! Will this get me more girls? Will other men envy me and become deeply insecure in my presence?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:39 PM

Ummm....that would be "no".



A

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:22 PM

LH--How can you handle more girls than you have already?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:31 PM

Yes Ron, you're quite right. I shouldn't have have applied anymore of my valuable energy in responding to this insignificant thread. I must add, I do think your expression to my posting as being 'fascinating' is rather dramatic. I find 'ponderous' would have been more applicable.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:39 PM

(chuckle)

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 11:56 PM

So, "Tolerance", still wasting "human energy"?    Like a moth to a flame, eh?

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 12:16 AM

What a shame that there is no emoticon for the old stick your thumbs in your ears, wiggle your fingers, stick your tongue way out and make a loud raspberry in the direction of your opponent...

I'm sure it would get a lot of use around here.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 12:52 AM

I keep trying to take your advice Ronny. For some erratic reasoning I end up back here on this thread, and again wasting valuable energy.

I find your analogy of 'moth to a flame' rather cliche. It's more like having a bad Dan Hill song (then again is there a good Dan Hill song) going through one's head, for some reason it won't go away.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:29 PM

Bad analogy? Pobre cito.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us as to who Dan Hill is.

Joe Hill, Sam Hill, Blueberry Hill--but sorry, Dan Hill rings no bells.

Sure is nice to know, "Tolerance"--(perhaps you might consider a more appropriate handle)-- that you don't insist on the last word in a thread, like some of us lesser mortals. After all, that would be wasting yet more "'human energy". And we know you wouldn't want to do that.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:39 PM

For SHAME, Don! Dan Hill is the sappiest, most cloyingly romantic folkie pop singer-songwriter in the history of Canadian music. He appeared around the mid-70's. He was managed by Finkelstein & Fiedlier (the "Two Bernies), Canada's most influential folk managers, who also managed Murray McLaughlin and Bruce Cockburn (that's pronounced "Co-Burn", by the way....). Dan Hill has written songs that can drive you right nuts if they get in your head. "Sometimes When We Touch" was his ultimate in that respect. He also looked ever so sweet with his curly dark hair, soulful eyes, and bare feet. He's nicer than Paul Anka...but then, who isn't? ;-) What a guy, eh?

I want to strangle parakeets when I hear his songs.

Furthermore, "pobrecito" is a single word, not 2 words. It means, as I think you know, "you poor little thing...".

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:42 PM

I meant "Ron", by the way, not "Don". I keep getting you guys mixed up.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:04 AM

Well, you got me mixed up, that's for sure.

As for Dan Hill, I will admit to disliking much of what he did. However, I part company with y'all on the value/worth of "Sometimes When We Touch." I think it's a good song, well-written and meaningful. The melody is pretty. Here, from 'Brokeback Mountain' is a presentation on youtube.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:05 AM

PS

If you are homophobic, don't watch the video. The guys kiss lots and hold each other.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:15 AM

I shouldn't come down too hard on 'ol Dan Hill. He has matured considerably since "Sometimes When we Touch" which I'm online with LH regarding his description of that dreadful song (sorry Peace). I commend Dan on his lyrics to Joe Sealy's Africaville Suite which certainly deserves a salute of respect.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:27 AM

Yeah, GUEST tolerance, but I LIKE sappy love songs. Always have. (I still think "Wind Beneath My Wings" is great.) But please believe me when I say I can see the syrup in SWWT.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:36 AM

I like sappy love songs too Peace, "Moon River" and "Witchita Lineman" hit me in the 'ol soft spot' everytime I hear them. But man "Sometimes When we touch" Geeeesh way too much syrup.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:37 AM

LH--I've seen "Pobre cito" as two words. And, for some reason, I like the way it looks. YMMV.

I sometimes wonder if using it ever causes anybody to try to look it up. Or to gnash their teeth at the insidious spread of Spanish in the US of A.

I do find it quite handy. And it's shorter than "Mir kommen die Traenen"

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:38 AM

LOL

Hey, what about "Galveston." Or the German cattle rancher who got high when he ate meat: yes, "The Cow Stoned Rhine Boy."

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:42 AM

I'll be honest here and lay it out on the line, I (gulp) like "The Cow Stoned Rhine Boy."

LOL

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:47 AM

Damn, Peace, you're good. The rest of us are winding down (I sure am) and you're sharper than ever.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:47 AM

LOLOL

I liked "Galveston."

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:49 AM

Ron, my stomach hurts. LOLOLOL OK, deeeeeep breath, LOL.

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:51 AM

I like it too. I'm a big fan of Jimmy Webb who wrote "Galveston" and "Witcita Lineman". He is a fine songwriter. One song of his that is worth mentioning is "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

Subject: RE: My apologies to everyone on this forum.
From: GUEST,tolerance
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:55 AM

Your right Ronny, the rest of us are winding down, not too much energy left in me so I'll let you get the last word in tonite.